WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.760 Okay, are we calling this a 00:00:02.760 --> 00:00:04.480 trade secret? 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:06.480 Yeah, why not? 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:08.480 What else would you call it? 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:10.480 I'd call it David's bathrobe. 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:14.210 Exactly, actually I'm wearing 00:00:14.210 --> 00:00:15.480 shorts. 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.450 Luckily, I'm doing a solo queen 00:00:18.450 --> 00:00:19.480 though. 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:21.580 Let me just tell the trade 00:00:21.580 --> 00:00:23.990 secret listeners that we're 00:00:23.990 --> 00:00:27.940 using the SIP phone, the X10 00:00:27.940 --> 00:00:28.160 phone. 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:29.890 I think the quality is 00:00:29.890 --> 00:00:32.200 definitely lower than other 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:34.100 systems we tried, but this is a 00:00:34.100 --> 00:00:34.280 very 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.280 open protocol. 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:37.280 What time is it there, Dave? 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:38.250 It must be the middle of night 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:38.520 for you. 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.520 Was it like 5am, 6am? 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:42.520 Yeah, no, it's 3am. 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:43.520 2.56am. 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:45.830 I just did the open source 00:00:45.830 --> 00:00:48.040 release of Frontier. 00:00:48.040 --> 00:00:50.360 That was a big thing. 00:00:50.360 --> 00:00:53.090 That's almost another way of 00:00:53.090 --> 00:00:54.640 measuring time. 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.160 Your computer problem is back 00:00:57.160 --> 00:00:57.800 now. 00:00:57.800 --> 00:00:58.800 You're cutting out again. 00:00:58.800 --> 00:00:59.800 It is. 00:00:59.800 --> 00:01:01.840 Yeah, well, yeah, no. 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:03.820 Just keep trying and we'll see 00:01:03.820 --> 00:01:04.960 how it sounds. 00:01:04.960 --> 00:01:06.840 So much for recording this. 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:08.210 This computer, we're at the 00:01:08.210 --> 00:01:09.530 point, you know, Windows 00:01:09.530 --> 00:01:10.820 machines, every so often you 00:01:10.820 --> 00:01:11.000 have 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.000 to buy a new computer. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.510 It's the same with the Mac, 00:01:14.510 --> 00:01:15.000 Dave. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.000 Who's at the point? 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:20.060 Yeah, mine's on the ropes here 00:01:20.060 --> 00:01:21.000 too. 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.000 Is it really? 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.790 Maybe it's time to get like new 00:01:24.790 --> 00:01:25.080 computers. 00:01:25.080 --> 00:01:27.960 Well, I'm quitting things. 00:01:27.960 --> 00:01:29.110 Well what I wanted to do is, 00:01:29.110 --> 00:01:30.260 when we move is when I want to 00:01:30.260 --> 00:01:31.240 buy a new computer. 00:01:31.240 --> 00:01:32.690 That's always a great time to 00:01:32.690 --> 00:01:34.200 buy a new PC is when you move. 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.280 New house, new stuff, it makes 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:37.440 you feel good. 00:01:37.440 --> 00:01:40.950 Yeah, I just moved, so maybe my 00:01:40.950 --> 00:01:43.450 problem is that I haven't 00:01:43.450 --> 00:01:46.560 bought a new computer yet. 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:48.560 I think my house... 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:49.560 Yeah. 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:50.560 No, go ahead. 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:52.500 Well, I think what happens is 00:01:52.500 --> 00:01:54.040 you get into all kinds of 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.200 really heavy stuff that you're 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.430 doing and I've been doing all 00:01:57.430 --> 00:01:58.650 this audio stuff and compress 00:01:58.650 --> 00:02:00.200 ing and recording huge files 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:01.400 and I can see it. 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:02.950 You know, when my computer, 00:02:02.950 --> 00:02:04.400 someone goes wrong and I've had 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:05.760 to hard reset it a couple of 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.570 times in the past few weeks, 00:02:07.570 --> 00:02:09.190 you can see all these indirect 00:02:09.190 --> 00:02:10.920 orphan nodes, you know, and 00:02:10.920 --> 00:02:12.100 all this stuff and it's trying 00:02:12.100 --> 00:02:13.180 to say, "I can't repair this 00:02:13.180 --> 00:02:14.200 and I've got..." 00:02:14.200 --> 00:02:15.670 It should be five instead of 00:02:15.670 --> 00:02:17.320 four directory points and it's 00:02:17.320 --> 00:02:18.880 like, "You know that's not 00:02:18.880 --> 00:02:19.880 right." 00:02:19.880 --> 00:02:22.120 Yeah, that's part of it. 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:23.910 The other part of it is that 00:02:23.910 --> 00:02:25.940 you're not really supposed to 00:02:25.940 --> 00:02:27.840 install any software on these 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:28.360 things. 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:30.080 Oh, of course, yeah. 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:31.500 That's according to the license 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:32.080 you mean. 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:33.690 Exactly the way the 00:02:33.690 --> 00:02:36.270 manufacturer sent it to you is 00:02:36.270 --> 00:02:39.080 how you're supposed to use it. 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.080 So you and I both, I think, 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.170 have been in the last crazily 00:02:43.170 --> 00:02:45.440 installing all kinds of crap 00:02:45.440 --> 00:02:47.440 on our computers. 00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:49.540 But those things have in turn 00:02:49.540 --> 00:02:51.640 been installing all kinds of 00:02:51.640 --> 00:02:52.320 crap. 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:53.320 Yeah. 00:02:53.320 --> 00:02:55.140 You think you said goodbye, you 00:02:55.140 --> 00:02:56.960 think you said goodbye to them, 00:02:56.960 --> 00:02:57.920 but... 00:02:57.920 --> 00:02:58.930 So I tell you though, your 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:00.040 computer may be a little bit h 00:03:00.040 --> 00:03:01.360 osed right now, but I don't like 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:02.360 this X10 at all. 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:03.690 Why don't you put on your 00:03:03.690 --> 00:03:05.000 instant messenger? 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.000 That's so much better. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:08.000 All right, let's do that. 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:09.250 Okay, you can just turn it on 00:03:09.250 --> 00:03:10.240 during this call. 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:11.290 We shouldn't have to do too 00:03:11.290 --> 00:03:11.720 much. 00:03:11.720 --> 00:03:12.720 Oh, really? 00:03:12.720 --> 00:03:13.720 Okay, hold on. 00:03:13.720 --> 00:03:15.330 Yeah, let me see if you show up 00:03:15.330 --> 00:03:16.560 here on the screen. 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.190 I explicitly quit though that I 00:03:19.190 --> 00:03:21.680 have to figure out... 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:22.850 You have no idea how crappy 00:03:22.850 --> 00:03:23.600 this sounds. 00:03:23.600 --> 00:03:24.760 This sounds so shitty. 00:03:24.760 --> 00:03:25.760 I believe you. 00:03:25.760 --> 00:03:26.760 I believe you. 00:03:26.760 --> 00:03:27.880 You know, I got a call 00:03:27.880 --> 00:03:29.380 yesterday while we're doing 00:03:29.380 --> 00:03:29.880 this. 00:03:29.880 --> 00:03:31.390 I got a call yesterday from 00:03:31.390 --> 00:03:32.280 Steve Gilmore. 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:33.280 Steve Gilmore, yeah. 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:34.280 I think you got one too. 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:35.280 We spoke briefly. 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.000 You know, even when we're just 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.610 fucking around and nothing's 00:03:40.610 --> 00:03:43.280 working, does he get the real 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:44.680 kick out of what we're doing? 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.500 Well, if you consider our 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:48.650 audience, yeah, I bet people 00:03:48.650 --> 00:03:50.680 get a kick out of that too. 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:51.680 That's right. 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.160 I'm doing soliloquy. 00:03:55.160 --> 00:03:57.440 It's much better than soliloquy 00:03:57.440 --> 00:03:57.720 . 00:03:57.720 --> 00:03:59.200 It's the word of the week now, 00:03:59.200 --> 00:04:00.000 officially. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:01.000 Soliloquy. 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.120 It's unscripted news, actually. 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:04.320 I'm linking to it right now. 00:04:04.320 --> 00:04:06.060 I have a little review of your 00:04:06.060 --> 00:04:06.760 ... 00:04:06.760 --> 00:04:08.010 If you want to go get your ego 00:04:08.010 --> 00:04:09.350 straight, go read scripted 00:04:09.350 --> 00:04:09.960 right now. 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.440 Oh, I'm glad I'm not wearing 00:04:11.440 --> 00:04:12.440 any underwear. 00:04:12.440 --> 00:04:13.440 That's perfect. 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:16.560 Yeah, you would want to take it 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.440 off if you were. 00:04:18.440 --> 00:04:21.440 I'll check that out. 00:04:21.440 --> 00:04:23.120 I had a good time doing the 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:24.960 source code yesterday. 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:25.960 I had a great... 00:04:25.960 --> 00:04:26.960 It was funny. 00:04:26.960 --> 00:04:27.960 It was so much shit. 00:04:27.960 --> 00:04:29.220 I had a mask, so many clips and 00:04:29.220 --> 00:04:30.440 bits and people just sending 00:04:30.440 --> 00:04:31.560 all the content to close 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:32.560 stuff. 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:33.560 Well, that's what I said. 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:34.560 Yeah. 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:36.170 That's the milestone that you 00:04:36.170 --> 00:04:38.030 've hit, basically, that got now 00:04:38.030 --> 00:04:41.920 all this stuff coming at you. 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.910 So it's really becoming a 00:04:43.910 --> 00:04:44.880 program. 00:04:44.880 --> 00:04:45.880 It is, and it's funny. 00:04:45.880 --> 00:04:46.880 And I love... 00:04:46.880 --> 00:04:47.880 Go ahead. 00:04:47.880 --> 00:04:49.400 No, that's all right. 00:04:49.400 --> 00:04:51.000 I'm getting on to AIM right now 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:51.000 . 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:52.400 Okay, yeah, I see you there. 00:04:52.400 --> 00:04:53.960 I'm going to drop this call, 00:04:53.960 --> 00:04:55.500 and then I'll call you back on 00:04:55.500 --> 00:04:56.000 AIM. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.000 All right. 00:04:58.000 --> 00:04:59.000 Okay. 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.450 So I just hung up, quitting 00:05:01.450 --> 00:05:03.440 this X-Lite phone. 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:05.650 Okay, Dave just showed up on 00:05:05.650 --> 00:05:06.840 the... 00:05:06.840 --> 00:05:08.930 How come this X-Lite phone won 00:05:08.930 --> 00:05:09.920 't go away? 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:11.920 It has to go away. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:12.920 Go away. 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.520 Oh, I hate it when this happens 00:05:15.520 --> 00:05:15.840 . 00:05:15.840 --> 00:05:16.840 So I was just sitting there. 00:05:16.840 --> 00:05:18.520 I'm going to try and get a hold 00:05:18.520 --> 00:05:19.200 of Dave. 00:05:19.200 --> 00:05:20.200 Okay. 00:05:20.200 --> 00:05:23.080 Well, that other thing is just 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:25.360 sitting there with the spinning 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.280 beach ball of death. 00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:29.800 Okay. 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:36.030 Calling in for...requesting the 00:05:36.030 --> 00:05:39.400 setup for the call. 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:40.400 Ringing. 00:05:40.400 --> 00:05:41.400 Okay. 00:05:41.400 --> 00:05:45.400 You can answer anytime now. 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:51.520 Ah, there we go. 00:05:51.520 --> 00:05:52.520 Yeah. 00:05:52.520 --> 00:05:53.520 Oh, this is... 00:05:53.520 --> 00:05:54.880 Oh, yeah, so much better, man. 00:05:54.880 --> 00:05:55.880 You don't... 00:05:55.880 --> 00:05:56.880 You have no idea. 00:05:56.880 --> 00:05:57.880 Oh, good. 00:05:57.880 --> 00:05:58.880 Yeah, it really is. 00:05:58.880 --> 00:06:00.440 Steve Casey and say, "Hey, man, 00:06:00.440 --> 00:06:01.280 you did good." 00:06:01.280 --> 00:06:02.280 Your shit rocks, dude. 00:06:02.280 --> 00:06:03.280 So, yeah. 00:06:03.280 --> 00:06:04.280 Yeah. 00:06:04.280 --> 00:06:05.520 So, yeah, it was great stuff. 00:06:05.520 --> 00:06:07.350 I love that WGBH Boston is a 00:06:07.350 --> 00:06:08.160 perlute. 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:09.480 Yeah, he sent me a new one. 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:10.560 He sent me a new one today. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:11.560 It's great. 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.960 All this evangelism. 00:06:13.960 --> 00:06:17.890 I love the bit about how users 00:06:17.890 --> 00:06:20.400 talk about RSS. 00:06:20.400 --> 00:06:21.400 Yeah. 00:06:21.400 --> 00:06:22.960 I mean, that's the payoff. 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:25.120 I mean, I so wanted to get out 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.370 of that mode where mostly what 00:06:27.370 --> 00:06:28.840 I'm hearing from all 00:06:28.840 --> 00:06:30.840 of the people who are, you know 00:06:30.840 --> 00:06:32.710 , either the geeks who control 00:06:32.710 --> 00:06:34.400 everybody else or the users 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:35.890 who are so intimidated by those 00:06:35.890 --> 00:06:37.020 geeks that they have no 00:06:37.020 --> 00:06:38.400 confidence in what they're 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:38.720 doing. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.720 Right. 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:41.180 You know, those guys sound like 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:42.230 they sort of understood what 00:06:42.230 --> 00:06:43.320 was going on and they just 00:06:43.320 --> 00:06:44.670 used their own terms, words to 00:06:44.670 --> 00:06:45.600 describe... 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.480 That was the Link Linux show. 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:49.480 Yeah. 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:06:52.200 --> 00:06:55.150 And I liked a bit about the NAB 00:06:55.150 --> 00:06:57.740 and drive time and sort of 00:06:57.740 --> 00:07:00.200 where this is going. 00:07:00.200 --> 00:07:01.200 Oh, cool. 00:07:01.200 --> 00:07:02.200 It was great. 00:07:02.200 --> 00:07:03.200 Thank you. 00:07:03.200 --> 00:07:04.200 Thank you. 00:07:04.200 --> 00:07:06.170 Anyway, we had a leak, bonafide 00:07:06.170 --> 00:07:07.360 leak yesterday. 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.390 And it appeared because of the 00:07:10.390 --> 00:07:13.540 open source release plus a 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:16.320 pointer to the audio blog post 00:07:16.320 --> 00:07:19.290 that I did that discusses the 00:07:19.290 --> 00:07:22.170 release and why we did it and 00:07:22.170 --> 00:07:24.920 why we, you know, did it 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.140 the way we did it and what the 00:07:27.140 --> 00:07:29.360 product is and so forth. 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.970 That ended up getting pointed 00:07:31.970 --> 00:07:34.250 to by Scott Young on the USEL 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:35.560 AND Weblog. 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.120 And so he said he heard about 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.160 it from Steve Kirk. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:41.160 Yeah. 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.540 Steve Kirk said he heard about 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:43.160 it from you. 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:44.160 Well, wait a minute. 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:45.160 What audio... 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:46.040 Did we discuss this in an audio 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:46.400 ... 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:48.130 Yeah, we discussed this in a 00:07:48.130 --> 00:07:49.880 trade secrets didn't we? 00:07:49.880 --> 00:07:52.080 Oh, the trade secrets is fine. 00:07:52.080 --> 00:07:53.460 It was the one that I had 00:07:53.460 --> 00:07:55.190 pointed to from the Frontier 00:07:55.190 --> 00:07:56.920 Colonel mail list which was 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:57.400 embargoed 00:07:57.400 --> 00:07:58.400 until today. 00:07:58.400 --> 00:07:59.400 Now it's released. 00:07:59.400 --> 00:08:01.110 It's not a big deal if you did 00:08:01.110 --> 00:08:02.760 point to it from your site. 00:08:02.760 --> 00:08:03.760 Of course. 00:08:03.760 --> 00:08:04.760 Of course. 00:08:04.760 --> 00:08:05.760 It wasn't a high... 00:08:05.760 --> 00:08:07.160 But why would I point to it? 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.160 Hold on. 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:09.830 I mean, if I hardly do blog 00:08:09.830 --> 00:08:11.730 posts anymore, if I had done a 00:08:11.730 --> 00:08:13.270 blog post, I would have 00:08:13.270 --> 00:08:14.160 remembered. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:15.160 No, I believe you. 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:16.160 Adam, Adam. 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:19.520 No, but I saw the email thread. 00:08:19.520 --> 00:08:21.440 I'm like, well, but why did I 00:08:21.440 --> 00:08:22.160 ... 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:23.160 Let me just... 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:24.160 Let me go back, Dave. 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:25.160 Let me just see if... 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:26.160 I believe you. 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:27.210 First of all, let me just say, 00:08:27.210 --> 00:08:28.270 I wouldn't say I believe you if 00:08:28.270 --> 00:08:29.160 I didn't believe you. 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:30.160 Of course. 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:31.160 It's just a puzzle. 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:32.910 And then next time, I mean, I 00:08:32.910 --> 00:08:34.360 did put a disclaimer. 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.240 I said, whoever told Scott 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.020 about it probably didn't pass 00:08:40.020 --> 00:08:41.160 that on. 00:08:41.160 --> 00:08:45.180 That it was not to be treated 00:08:45.180 --> 00:08:50.160 as a public thing and whatever. 00:08:50.160 --> 00:08:52.160 It's water under the bridge. 00:08:52.160 --> 00:08:53.910 But that's just how it appeared 00:08:53.910 --> 00:08:54.160 . 00:08:54.160 --> 00:08:55.160 But I'm... 00:08:55.160 --> 00:08:56.440 No doubt it's done either, 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:57.720 because Andre did make some 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.160 changes after the fact, but not 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:01.160 major ones. 00:09:01.160 --> 00:09:02.160 I found it. 00:09:02.160 --> 00:09:04.160 You found what? 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:05.160 Oh, shit. 00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:06.160 Oh, shit. 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:07.160 Well, yes or no. 00:09:07.160 --> 00:09:08.160 You're not going to believe me. 00:09:08.160 --> 00:09:10.160 Oh, this is fucking classic. 00:09:10.160 --> 00:09:11.160 Oh, okay. 00:09:11.160 --> 00:09:12.160 I get it. 00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:19.350 So on the Frontier Colonel list 00:09:19.350 --> 00:09:27.160 , you posted a link to a... 00:09:27.160 --> 00:09:29.070 was it a Manila website with 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:30.160 the source code? 00:09:30.160 --> 00:09:31.160 No. 00:09:31.160 --> 00:09:32.160 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:32.160 --> 00:09:33.160 Yeah. 00:09:33.160 --> 00:09:34.160 Yeah. 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:35.160 So what did I do? 00:09:35.160 --> 00:09:36.160 I went, oh, okay. 00:09:36.160 --> 00:09:37.160 That's handy. 00:09:37.160 --> 00:09:39.470 And I immediately subscribed to 00:09:39.470 --> 00:09:41.160 it in my aggregator. 00:09:41.160 --> 00:09:42.310 Remember what happens when I 00:09:42.310 --> 00:09:43.460 subscribe to something in my 00:09:43.460 --> 00:09:44.160 aggregator? 00:09:44.160 --> 00:09:47.160 I got posted to my web blog. 00:09:47.160 --> 00:09:48.160 I'm sorry. 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:49.250 Adam, you need to be more 00:09:49.250 --> 00:09:50.160 careful about that. 00:09:50.160 --> 00:09:51.160 Oh, no shit. 00:09:51.160 --> 00:09:52.160 That was... 00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:53.160 That's a big mistake. 00:09:53.160 --> 00:09:54.160 Oh, shit. 00:09:54.160 --> 00:09:55.160 Okay. 00:09:55.160 --> 00:09:56.160 I'm sorry. 00:09:56.160 --> 00:09:57.160 Listen, okay. 00:09:57.160 --> 00:09:59.460 Don't sweat too much, because 00:09:59.460 --> 00:10:01.480 we were doing this low security 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:02.660 mode anyway. 00:10:02.660 --> 00:10:03.580 If we really wanted high 00:10:03.580 --> 00:10:04.760 security, it would have been 00:10:04.760 --> 00:10:06.100 editors on the site, and you 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:06.480 would 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.170 have needed a password for 00:10:08.170 --> 00:10:10.360 anybody, even access the RSS. 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:11.030 They would have needed a 00:10:11.030 --> 00:10:11.360 password. 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.180 So we were kind of playing 00:10:13.180 --> 00:10:15.660 loose there, and that's okay. 00:10:15.660 --> 00:10:17.660 Just, you know... 00:10:17.660 --> 00:10:18.660 I apologize. 00:10:18.660 --> 00:10:19.660 That was dumb. 00:10:19.660 --> 00:10:20.660 You don't need to apologize. 00:10:20.660 --> 00:10:21.660 No, there's a lesson. 00:10:21.660 --> 00:10:24.660 Security is something you have 00:10:24.660 --> 00:10:27.800 to constantly be vigilant about 00:10:27.800 --> 00:10:30.600 , and you will someday subscribe 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:31.720 to something that's 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:32.600 confidential. 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:34.520 You will somehow need to think 00:10:34.520 --> 00:10:36.390 about that in terms of how 00:10:36.390 --> 00:10:37.340 public you are. 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:39.140 Although, what did you say on 00:10:39.140 --> 00:10:40.780 the blog about secrets? 00:10:40.780 --> 00:10:42.580 But was this a... 00:10:42.580 --> 00:10:43.580 Well, yeah. 00:10:43.580 --> 00:10:44.750 Considering the title of this 00:10:44.750 --> 00:10:46.020 show, I guess you're right. 00:10:46.020 --> 00:10:48.780 But was that a problem with 00:10:48.780 --> 00:10:51.660 user land, or the fact that 00:10:51.660 --> 00:10:53.900 they didn't know? 00:10:53.900 --> 00:10:58.660 No, they knew, of course. 00:10:58.660 --> 00:10:59.980 The problem is this, is that 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:01.460 when you're staging a release, 00:11:01.460 --> 00:11:03.060 basically, you want to check 00:11:03.060 --> 00:11:03.320 out 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:04.880 things with people before you 00:11:04.880 --> 00:11:06.380 actually release it so that you 00:11:06.380 --> 00:11:08.000 don't have to support anything 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.520 that's broken in the future. 00:11:09.520 --> 00:11:11.100 Because if something's broken, 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:12.330 you can fix it and only it's 00:11:12.330 --> 00:11:13.600 very slow and the virtual 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:14.600 habit. 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.250 If the thing leaks, then of 00:11:16.250 --> 00:11:18.190 course there's possibility that 00:11:18.190 --> 00:11:20.040 people are using a bad version 00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:21.040 of the software. 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:22.790 So in general, you don't talk 00:11:22.790 --> 00:11:24.400 about things that are in the 00:11:24.400 --> 00:11:26.040 process of being released 00:11:26.040 --> 00:11:28.800 until the developer says it's 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:30.940 okay to talk about it. 00:11:30.940 --> 00:11:31.940 You know about that. 00:11:31.940 --> 00:11:32.940 Of course I do. 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:33.900 And you also want your big "oh 00:11:33.900 --> 00:11:34.500 wow" moment. 00:11:34.500 --> 00:11:36.540 You don't want to... 00:11:36.540 --> 00:11:37.540 Not in this case. 00:11:37.540 --> 00:11:38.540 No. 00:11:38.540 --> 00:11:39.540 Not in this case. 00:11:39.540 --> 00:11:40.540 No. 00:11:40.540 --> 00:11:42.070 We're setting the expectations 00:11:42.070 --> 00:11:43.670 low, very deliberately, tough 00:11:43.670 --> 00:11:44.920 releasing this thing. 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:47.790 We don't want people to feel 00:11:47.790 --> 00:11:50.940 like the Earth Shake shook. 00:11:50.940 --> 00:11:53.050 Because what eventually, 00:11:53.050 --> 00:11:55.520 inevitably happens if they do, 00:11:55.520 --> 00:11:57.600 is a lot more results and it 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:57.960 attracts 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.600 the slaps, daughters. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:00.740 They come tell you why you're 00:12:00.740 --> 00:12:01.160 ... 00:12:01.160 --> 00:12:02.160 How much you suck. 00:12:02.160 --> 00:12:03.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:03.160 --> 00:12:04.160 Exactly. 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:05.600 And that kills all the... 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:06.600 Build a mentor. 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:07.600 You want to build energy. 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:08.600 Yeah. 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:10.210 You don't want to expect a big 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:10.760 bang. 00:12:10.760 --> 00:12:12.080 Because it can't happen anyway. 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:13.810 This is a very large piece of 00:12:13.810 --> 00:12:14.680 software. 00:12:14.680 --> 00:12:16.100 Nobody's going to be able to 00:12:16.100 --> 00:12:17.560 make a contribution to it 00:12:17.560 --> 00:12:18.400 immediately. 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:21.380 It's going to take... 00:12:21.380 --> 00:12:22.780 If you were completely up to 00:12:22.780 --> 00:12:24.350 speed on the kernel source code 00:12:24.350 --> 00:12:25.580 , as I am and a few other 00:12:25.580 --> 00:12:27.480 people are, we won't be ready 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.540 to release new things for quite 00:12:29.540 --> 00:12:31.180 a few months, if ever. 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:32.180 So... 00:12:32.180 --> 00:12:34.980 So what's the process now? 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:35.980 What's the process now? 00:12:35.980 --> 00:12:36.890 Is it just making sure it 00:12:36.890 --> 00:12:37.900 builds and then going back 00:12:37.900 --> 00:12:38.660 through stuff? 00:12:38.660 --> 00:12:39.710 And that's what I've been 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:40.660 seeing on the list. 00:12:40.660 --> 00:12:43.220 Yeah, right now it's paranoid. 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:45.720 Did we release any horribly 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:47.580 broken software? 00:12:47.580 --> 00:12:49.200 We want this... 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.280 What we release today, we want 00:12:51.280 --> 00:12:53.210 that to be a solid foundation 00:12:53.210 --> 00:12:55.000 for future development. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:56.130 We don't want to take any steps 00:12:56.130 --> 00:12:56.720 backwards. 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.800 In other words, you know, one 00:12:58.800 --> 00:13:00.540 source file got left out or 00:13:00.540 --> 00:13:03.000 something, or an old version. 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.640 This is far more common, an old 00:13:05.640 --> 00:13:07.640 version of some source file. 00:13:07.640 --> 00:13:10.000 Before 18,000 bugs were fixed. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.000 Yeah. 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:11.910 It gets released and we lose 00:13:11.910 --> 00:13:12.400 all... 00:13:12.400 --> 00:13:13.400 You've had that happen, right? 00:13:13.400 --> 00:13:14.950 Where you saved an old version 00:13:14.950 --> 00:13:16.200 on top of a new version. 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.100 That was one of my finest hours 00:13:18.100 --> 00:13:18.100 . 00:13:18.100 --> 00:13:19.100 Yeah. 00:13:19.100 --> 00:13:20.100 Well, we do that all the time. 00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:21.740 That's what programming is all 00:13:21.740 --> 00:13:22.300 about. 00:13:22.300 --> 00:13:23.300 They teach you that in school. 00:13:23.300 --> 00:13:25.500 Let's get that out of the way. 00:13:25.500 --> 00:13:26.500 The first class is WeShut101. 00:13:26.500 --> 00:13:27.500 Great. 00:13:27.500 --> 00:13:32.500 I mean, that's the Murphy Law. 00:13:32.500 --> 00:13:33.500 You're tuning into it. 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:34.990 I've heard you, your daily 00:13:34.990 --> 00:13:36.730 source code, go into depth on 00:13:36.730 --> 00:13:38.340 that about how you can predict 00:13:38.340 --> 00:13:39.820 success or else God will get 00:13:39.820 --> 00:13:41.140 you for that, right? 00:13:41.140 --> 00:13:42.140 Yeah, always. 00:13:42.140 --> 00:13:43.140 Always, always, always. 00:13:43.140 --> 00:13:43.970 So what the hell are you doing 00:13:43.970 --> 00:13:44.660 up so early, Dave? 00:13:44.660 --> 00:13:46.120 I see this more often. 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:47.570 I see you awake at like three 00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:48.560 in the morning. 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:49.220 I'm thinking like, what's up 00:13:49.220 --> 00:13:49.560 with that? 00:13:49.560 --> 00:13:51.360 My schedule is all fucked up. 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:52.860 It's like, it's totally... 00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:54.000 My schedule is just, you know, 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:54.560 whatever. 00:13:54.560 --> 00:13:55.960 I sleep when I want to sleep. 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:57.520 I live in the middle of the 00:13:57.520 --> 00:13:58.200 city now. 00:13:58.200 --> 00:13:59.200 It's really something. 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:00.500 This place is operating right 00:14:00.500 --> 00:14:00.840 now. 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.340 It's not like New York, but it 00:14:02.340 --> 00:14:03.040 's... 00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:04.210 I could go out and get coffee 00:14:04.210 --> 00:14:05.400 right now if I wanted to. 00:14:05.400 --> 00:14:06.400 Right. 00:14:06.400 --> 00:14:07.800 He gets some food, you know. 00:14:07.800 --> 00:14:08.800 It's like, whatever. 00:14:08.800 --> 00:14:09.800 It's a city. 00:14:09.800 --> 00:14:10.800 I don't know. 00:14:10.800 --> 00:14:11.610 I'm getting ready to live on 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:12.200 European time. 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:13.160 I think I'm going to come to 00:14:13.160 --> 00:14:14.000 Europe after this. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.000 Really? 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:16.000 I don't know. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.260 After this is what? 00:14:17.260 --> 00:14:19.050 After BloggerCon or just next 00:14:19.050 --> 00:14:19.580 year? 00:14:19.580 --> 00:14:20.580 Yeah. 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:21.580 Yeah. 00:14:21.580 --> 00:14:22.580 Okay. 00:14:22.580 --> 00:14:23.260 After BloggerCon, after Seattle 00:14:23.260 --> 00:14:23.580 , you know. 00:14:23.580 --> 00:14:24.580 Right. 00:14:24.580 --> 00:14:25.580 Yeah. 00:14:25.580 --> 00:14:26.580 I don't know. 00:14:26.580 --> 00:14:28.410 Well, we'll be in England by 00:14:28.410 --> 00:14:29.540 then, I hope. 00:14:29.540 --> 00:14:30.540 You will. 00:14:30.540 --> 00:14:31.540 Yeah. 00:14:31.540 --> 00:14:32.540 Yeah. 00:14:32.540 --> 00:14:33.540 Oh, yeah. 00:14:33.540 --> 00:14:34.540 We're going to be... 00:14:34.540 --> 00:14:35.540 We're moving in December. 00:14:35.540 --> 00:14:36.540 In fact, Friday, we're... 00:14:36.540 --> 00:14:37.260 Patricia and I are going over 00:14:37.260 --> 00:14:37.540 there. 00:14:37.540 --> 00:14:37.950 We're going to do all 00:14:37.950 --> 00:14:38.540 measurements and shit. 00:14:38.540 --> 00:14:39.610 We've got to try and figure out 00:14:39.610 --> 00:14:40.600 how we put our stuff into our 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:41.540 new stuff receptacle. 00:14:41.540 --> 00:14:42.540 Oh, yeah. 00:14:42.540 --> 00:14:43.540 Right. 00:14:43.540 --> 00:14:44.540 That's funny. 00:14:44.540 --> 00:14:45.540 So, yeah. 00:14:45.540 --> 00:14:46.540 How big is this? 00:14:46.540 --> 00:14:49.540 Is this a castle, too? 00:14:49.540 --> 00:14:50.540 No. 00:14:50.540 --> 00:14:51.540 No. 00:14:51.540 --> 00:14:53.920 It's... we definitely wanted 00:14:53.920 --> 00:14:55.400 something smaller. 00:14:55.400 --> 00:14:56.720 We've had... let's see. 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.800 We've had two huge houses, one 00:14:58.800 --> 00:15:00.760 on the canal in Amsterdam. 00:15:00.760 --> 00:15:02.810 We have the castle and we have 00:15:02.810 --> 00:15:04.090 ... and we have a lot of people 00:15:04.090 --> 00:15:05.520 running around doing stuff 00:15:05.520 --> 00:15:08.170 and cleaning stuff and mowing 00:15:08.170 --> 00:15:09.040 stuff. 00:15:09.040 --> 00:15:10.040 Yeah. 00:15:10.040 --> 00:15:11.040 Yeah. 00:15:11.040 --> 00:15:12.040 We have a saying in Amsterdam. 00:15:12.040 --> 00:15:16.310 It's an old Yiddish saying and 00:15:16.310 --> 00:15:20.540 I'll say it in Dutch first. 00:15:20.540 --> 00:15:23.210 "Eggvent u veil personeel" and 00:15:23.210 --> 00:15:24.640 that translates to "I wish you 00:15:24.640 --> 00:15:25.540 many employees." 00:15:25.540 --> 00:15:26.540 Yeah. 00:15:26.540 --> 00:15:29.640 And so that's one thing... we 00:15:29.640 --> 00:15:30.950 're just really tired of it, you 00:15:30.950 --> 00:15:31.340 know? 00:15:31.340 --> 00:15:32.340 Yeah. 00:15:32.340 --> 00:15:33.340 That's my story. 00:15:33.340 --> 00:15:34.130 I mean, we are really tired of 00:15:34.130 --> 00:15:34.340 it. 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:35.530 Tired of just people in your 00:15:35.530 --> 00:15:35.980 space. 00:15:35.980 --> 00:15:36.980 I love these people. 00:15:36.980 --> 00:15:37.910 They're great, but you know, it 00:15:37.910 --> 00:15:38.900 's still people in your space. 00:15:38.900 --> 00:15:39.900 No, you don't. 00:15:39.900 --> 00:15:40.900 You don't love them. 00:15:40.900 --> 00:15:42.490 They work for you and that's a 00:15:42.490 --> 00:15:43.980 very different relationship 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:44.760 from love. 00:15:44.760 --> 00:15:45.760 I mean... 00:15:45.760 --> 00:15:47.100 Right, but they're in our 00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:48.640 personal love space being the 00:15:48.640 --> 00:15:49.200 house. 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.240 And they're taking up your love 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:50.600 space. 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:51.600 Yes. 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:52.600 They suck up energy. 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:53.600 They suck up lots of energy. 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:54.600 Oh yeah. 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:55.600 That's what all people do. 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:56.600 And it's not your fault. 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:57.600 No, no, no. 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:58.600 Absolutely not. 00:15:58.600 --> 00:15:59.600 You hired them. 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:00.600 You created the jobs with them. 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.290 This is the myth about making 00:16:02.290 --> 00:16:03.640 it and getting rich. 00:16:03.640 --> 00:16:04.640 Thank you. 00:16:04.640 --> 00:16:05.640 Oh, thank you. 00:16:05.640 --> 00:16:06.640 You're so right. 00:16:06.640 --> 00:16:09.090 What you find out is that money 00:16:09.090 --> 00:16:10.780 simply buys you distance. 00:16:10.780 --> 00:16:12.450 It buys you to be more distant 00:16:12.450 --> 00:16:13.740 from everybody else. 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:15.520 And part of the way it does it 00:16:15.520 --> 00:16:17.290 is by throwing all these people 00:16:17.290 --> 00:16:18.840 into your life that suck 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:20.610 up all the energy that you can 00:16:20.610 --> 00:16:22.060 't have now for friends and 00:16:22.060 --> 00:16:22.740 family. 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:23.740 You are so right. 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:25.360 You can't hang out with people 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:26.660 who are at toys with you. 00:16:26.660 --> 00:16:28.100 These people are hanging out 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:29.740 with you because you pay them. 00:16:29.740 --> 00:16:30.740 Yeah. 00:16:30.740 --> 00:16:32.240 There's a big difference. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.240 But they get confused as well. 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:36.240 They get confused. 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.330 I've had many people who work 00:16:38.330 --> 00:16:40.510 for us who felt like they could 00:16:40.510 --> 00:16:43.200 pretty much become a member 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:44.200 of the family. 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:45.200 Right. 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.030 And you get into really tough 00:16:47.030 --> 00:16:48.040 situations. 00:16:48.040 --> 00:16:49.430 But besides all that, and of 00:16:49.430 --> 00:16:50.950 course what happened with us, I 00:16:50.950 --> 00:16:52.440 don't know, I'm sure that it 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:52.560 had 00:16:52.560 --> 00:16:53.560 an effect. 00:16:53.560 --> 00:16:55.830 I know that it had an effect on 00:16:55.830 --> 00:16:58.150 you was when Patricia got her 00:16:58.150 --> 00:17:00.440 angina pectris, her heart 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:01.740 disease. 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:03.940 We said, "Fuck this. 00:17:03.940 --> 00:17:06.700 Why spend one more second on 00:17:06.700 --> 00:17:09.820 anybody or anything that we don 00:17:09.820 --> 00:17:12.240 't really want to do?" 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:13.240 Yeah. 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.900 That's a basic question, isn't 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:16.440 it? 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:17.440 Right? 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:18.440 And that's very important. 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:19.230 And at the end of the day, I 00:17:19.230 --> 00:17:19.440 mean- 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.040 You can spend one second on it. 00:17:21.040 --> 00:17:23.070 I think both of our listeners 00:17:23.070 --> 00:17:25.020 know that we, both of us are 00:17:25.020 --> 00:17:27.200 either, let's say, rich or 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.720 certainly very comfortable. 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.970 And I haven't spent more than $ 00:17:33.970 --> 00:17:37.300 50 off we got anything. 00:17:37.300 --> 00:17:39.020 You have such a perception of 00:17:39.020 --> 00:17:40.660 what wealth is all about and 00:17:40.660 --> 00:17:42.180 what it's going to bring 00:17:42.180 --> 00:17:43.180 you. 00:17:43.180 --> 00:17:46.190 And in the past month, I have 00:17:46.190 --> 00:17:49.480 had more fun in four years time 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:52.420 just by sitting here fucking 00:17:52.420 --> 00:17:54.280 around with people I've never 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:56.590 met before until, of course, we 00:17:56.590 --> 00:17:58.780 met online, just plugging wires 00:17:58.780 --> 00:17:59.840 and shit together. 00:17:59.840 --> 00:18:01.750 But all the conversations that 00:18:01.750 --> 00:18:03.350 have been going on has been 00:18:03.350 --> 00:18:04.960 very enriching for me. 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.080 Yeah, I can tell that. 00:18:07.080 --> 00:18:09.160 I mean, you said it in your 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.550 thing yesterday that it was 00:18:11.550 --> 00:18:14.360 like the days when it was K-101 00:18:14.360 --> 00:18:15.360 or WZ-101. 00:18:15.360 --> 00:18:16.360 WH, yeah, Z-100. 00:18:16.360 --> 00:18:17.360 The radio station. 00:18:17.360 --> 00:18:18.360 Yeah. 00:18:18.360 --> 00:18:19.360 Yeah. 00:18:19.360 --> 00:18:20.360 Z-100, right. 00:18:20.360 --> 00:18:21.830 I mean, the times of growth are 00:18:21.830 --> 00:18:22.600 incredible. 00:18:22.600 --> 00:18:23.870 They don't come, you know, this 00:18:23.870 --> 00:18:24.740 is one of those times, 00:18:24.740 --> 00:18:25.360 basically. 00:18:25.360 --> 00:18:27.070 You know, I just sort of feel 00:18:27.070 --> 00:18:28.790 like BloggerCon is not on that 00:18:28.790 --> 00:18:30.340 track for me, though. 00:18:30.340 --> 00:18:31.340 It's weird. 00:18:31.340 --> 00:18:32.340 Really? 00:18:32.340 --> 00:18:33.590 You know, this is like third 00:18:33.590 --> 00:18:34.740 BloggerCon and now it's no 00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:35.660 longer all that. 00:18:35.660 --> 00:18:37.570 I mean, a lot of, well, by the 00:18:37.570 --> 00:18:39.180 way, thank you for writing the 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:40.180 description. 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:41.180 I appreciate that. 00:18:41.180 --> 00:18:42.480 Yeah, was that kind of what you 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.380 were looking for? 00:18:43.380 --> 00:18:44.380 I don't know. 00:18:44.380 --> 00:18:46.380 It's up to you, really. 00:18:46.380 --> 00:18:47.870 I mean, the point is, what do 00:18:47.870 --> 00:18:49.260 you want in that session? 00:18:49.260 --> 00:18:50.740 It's really your stick. 00:18:50.740 --> 00:18:53.000 I mean, my job is to get you to 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.120 pay attention to some very 00:18:55.120 --> 00:18:57.880 basic ground rules, you know? 00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:59.570 No commercialism, keep the 00:18:59.570 --> 00:19:01.640 discussion going, you know, don 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:03.180 't allow people to repeat 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:04.160 themselves. 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.160 Yeah. 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:06.790 You know, don't send people out 00:19:06.790 --> 00:19:08.400 into the hallway, please. 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:09.660 I've heard that from some, I've 00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:10.900 now been talking with, I've 00:19:10.900 --> 00:19:11.880 talked with maybe about 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.670 half of the discussion leaders 00:19:14.670 --> 00:19:15.360 now. 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:16.360 And I hear that. 00:19:16.360 --> 00:19:17.610 And I say, well, you know, one 00:19:17.610 --> 00:19:18.630 of the things I do is that if 00:19:18.630 --> 00:19:20.040 somebody, you know, doesn't 00:19:20.040 --> 00:19:21.200 want to talk, I tell them to go 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:22.440 out in the hallway and continue 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:23.460 to ask that because the 00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:25.310 whole point here is I want the 00:19:25.310 --> 00:19:27.580 discussion to stay in the room. 00:19:27.580 --> 00:19:29.330 And of course, something they 00:19:29.330 --> 00:19:31.070 really have to say, then let's 00:19:31.070 --> 00:19:32.400 make space for them to 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:33.900 say it, you know? 00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:35.310 If, you know, if they want to 00:19:35.310 --> 00:19:36.990 break a rule, though, then ask 00:19:36.990 --> 00:19:38.420 them not to break the rule. 00:19:38.420 --> 00:19:39.730 Don't send them out of the room 00:19:39.730 --> 00:19:39.920 . 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:41.850 I mean, you know, and after 00:19:41.850 --> 00:19:43.300 that, it's really up to you 00:19:43.300 --> 00:19:45.300 what you want to do with that. 00:19:45.300 --> 00:19:46.510 Let me ask you a question, Dave 00:19:46.510 --> 00:19:46.680 . 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:48.120 Let me ask you a question. 00:19:48.120 --> 00:19:50.780 Did you work it out with Doug 00:19:50.780 --> 00:19:54.040 Kay for the, certainly the, the 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:57.480 , the, the podcast of BloggerCon 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:57.640 , 00:19:57.640 --> 00:19:59.920 if not direct live streaming 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:00.920 webcast? 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:01.920 No, not yet. 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:03.130 No, I haven't talked with him 00:20:03.130 --> 00:20:03.480 at all. 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:05.000 What has to happen first is I 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:06.630 have to get down to Stanford 00:20:06.630 --> 00:20:08.360 and then, you know, basically 00:20:08.360 --> 00:20:10.240 have some conversations with 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.250 the, with people there about, 00:20:12.250 --> 00:20:14.400 you know, just basically what's 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.020 there for us to use. 00:20:16.020 --> 00:20:17.230 Doug's going to ask that 00:20:17.230 --> 00:20:18.870 question first and, you know, 00:20:18.870 --> 00:20:20.420 he's going to need to know that 00:20:20.420 --> 00:20:23.560 answer and, you know, I don't 00:20:23.560 --> 00:20:25.580 know the answer. 00:20:25.580 --> 00:20:27.970 You know, I would prefer if we 00:20:27.970 --> 00:20:30.800 could, you know, basically rely 00:20:30.800 --> 00:20:32.580 as little as possible 00:20:32.580 --> 00:20:35.060 on what's present there. 00:20:35.060 --> 00:20:37.060 My experience with the last 00:20:37.060 --> 00:20:39.400 BloggerCon was that because, I 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.300 think because we did that, 00:20:41.300 --> 00:20:42.850 we didn't even end up, not only 00:20:42.850 --> 00:20:44.100 did we have a webcast. 00:20:44.100 --> 00:20:45.200 We didn't end up with 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.080 recordings. 00:20:46.080 --> 00:20:47.430 We aren't MP3s on the Blogger 00:20:47.430 --> 00:20:49.000 Con site from that conference. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.000 The conference is lost. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.000 Yeah, that's right. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.790 And it does suck because it was 00:20:52.790 --> 00:20:54.100 a lot of good shit that 00:20:54.100 --> 00:20:55.320 happened there. 00:20:55.320 --> 00:20:57.250 And, you know, instead of like, 00:20:57.250 --> 00:20:59.060 you know, me as my, putting on 00:20:59.060 --> 00:21:00.600 my IT hat here, you know, 00:21:00.600 --> 00:21:02.130 I was like, what are good 00:21:02.130 --> 00:21:02.840 strategies? 00:21:02.840 --> 00:21:03.630 These guys talk about 00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:04.770 strategies and, you know, there 00:21:04.770 --> 00:21:05.680 really is a strategy. 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:07.730 This stuff is like, okay, do 00:21:07.730 --> 00:21:08.800 you aim low? 00:21:08.800 --> 00:21:10.790 You know, if you aim low and 00:21:10.790 --> 00:21:12.990 with a higher probability of 00:21:12.990 --> 00:21:15.380 success, then I would, I think 00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:16.540 that I would prefer to do that. 00:21:16.540 --> 00:21:18.210 In other words, would I trade 00:21:18.210 --> 00:21:19.420 off the webcast against a 00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:20.850 higher probability that we 00:21:20.850 --> 00:21:21.460 actually 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:23.130 end up with a, you know, MP3 00:21:23.130 --> 00:21:24.300 for each subject? 00:21:24.300 --> 00:21:25.300 Oh, totally. 00:21:25.300 --> 00:21:26.250 Oh, I would, I would totally 00:21:26.250 --> 00:21:26.620 trade that off. 00:21:26.620 --> 00:21:27.620 Right. 00:21:27.620 --> 00:21:28.620 So we're in agreement on that. 00:21:28.620 --> 00:21:29.620 Oh, totally. 00:21:29.620 --> 00:21:30.620 I would say, yeah. 00:21:30.620 --> 00:21:31.620 Right. 00:21:31.620 --> 00:21:32.280 So, okay, so let's work this 00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:32.620 through. 00:21:32.620 --> 00:21:34.500 So then the question really is, 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:35.770 first of all, can we get 00:21:35.770 --> 00:21:37.420 somebody in each room with a 00:21:37.420 --> 00:21:38.060 laptop 00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:39.390 and a microphone and the 00:21:39.390 --> 00:21:40.640 ability to record? 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:41.640 Okay. 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:42.640 Number one. 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.460 Number two, and I think that we 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:46.000 probably could do that. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.000 Okay. 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:48.000 We probably could organize that 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:48.520 well enough. 00:21:48.520 --> 00:21:49.520 Yeah. 00:21:49.520 --> 00:21:50.330 Certainly, the people that are 00:21:50.330 --> 00:21:51.040 coming to your session. 00:21:51.040 --> 00:21:52.510 Well, all we really need for 00:21:52.510 --> 00:21:54.220 the other rooms, Dave, is, you 00:21:54.220 --> 00:21:55.680 know, if we can supply the 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:56.600 microphones, 00:21:56.600 --> 00:21:58.000 you know, if we have, like, 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:59.490 four rooms or five rooms, if we 00:21:59.490 --> 00:22:00.840 have a mic in each room with 00:22:00.840 --> 00:22:02.380 a mini three and a half inch 00:22:02.380 --> 00:22:04.090 jack on one end, then almost 00:22:04.090 --> 00:22:05.600 anyone in that room will be 00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:06.000 able 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.180 to record the session for us. 00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:09.180 Right. 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:10.180 Right. 00:22:10.180 --> 00:22:11.180 That's my point, you know. 00:22:11.180 --> 00:22:13.000 And, and then, you know, and 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:14.930 then having somebody who's very 00:22:14.930 --> 00:22:16.740 good with, you know, with a 00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:17.420 notebook 00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:19.230 and writing down the names and, 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:20.840 and then pulling teeth to get 00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:22.290 the recordings out of the 00:22:22.290 --> 00:22:22.700 people, 00:22:22.700 --> 00:22:24.240 because, you know, as much as, 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:25.560 this is, I talked to Scoble 00:22:25.560 --> 00:22:26.820 about this and have you ever 00:22:26.820 --> 00:22:26.860 run 00:22:26.860 --> 00:22:27.860 a conference? 00:22:27.860 --> 00:22:28.860 Yeah. 00:22:28.860 --> 00:22:30.360 One of the things that running 00:22:30.360 --> 00:22:31.880 a conference teaches you is 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:33.140 that you, you spend a lot of 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:34.970 time just asking over and over 00:22:34.970 --> 00:22:36.790 and over and over again for the 00:22:36.790 --> 00:22:38.080 things you need. 00:22:38.080 --> 00:22:39.930 And people just don't want to 00:22:39.930 --> 00:22:40.520 do it. 00:22:40.520 --> 00:22:42.680 So that's probably, you know, 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:44.270 the problem was that Jay 00:22:44.270 --> 00:22:46.320 McCarthy's house burned down. 00:22:46.320 --> 00:22:47.320 Oh, shit. 00:22:47.320 --> 00:22:48.920 That's why we don't have, yeah, 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:49.320 yeah. 00:22:49.320 --> 00:22:50.320 Oh, man. 00:22:50.320 --> 00:22:51.840 That's why we don't have the MP 00:22:51.840 --> 00:22:52.320 3s. 00:22:52.320 --> 00:22:53.320 I mean, yeah. 00:22:53.320 --> 00:22:54.610 We had MP3s, but they burned in 00:22:54.610 --> 00:22:55.160 the fire? 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.360 No, that's not what happened. 00:22:57.360 --> 00:22:58.830 What happened was he got, he 00:22:58.830 --> 00:22:59.970 got, he got busy doing other 00:22:59.970 --> 00:23:01.560 things and couldn't babysit. 00:23:01.560 --> 00:23:02.560 Oh, okay. 00:23:02.560 --> 00:23:03.970 And, you know, twist arms to 00:23:03.970 --> 00:23:05.300 get people to give them what 00:23:05.300 --> 00:23:06.140 they needed. 00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:07.710 And I sure didn't want to twist 00:23:07.710 --> 00:23:09.290 his arm because fuck his house 00:23:09.290 --> 00:23:10.340 just burned down. 00:23:10.340 --> 00:23:11.340 I'm sorry. 00:23:11.340 --> 00:23:14.340 You have to drop that. 00:23:14.340 --> 00:23:15.340 I know you're out. 00:23:15.340 --> 00:23:15.970 Well, you know, here's, here's 00:23:15.970 --> 00:23:16.340 why I asked. 00:23:16.340 --> 00:23:17.340 We've got to get our MP3s. 00:23:17.340 --> 00:23:19.340 Here's, here's why I asked. 00:23:19.340 --> 00:23:20.620 Because I know Doug could 00:23:20.620 --> 00:23:22.010 certainly do it and I know he 00:23:22.010 --> 00:23:22.580 would. 00:23:22.580 --> 00:23:23.980 Of course, we wanted him to do 00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:24.860 it for no money. 00:23:24.860 --> 00:23:25.860 Yeah. 00:23:25.860 --> 00:23:27.650 So I thought, why don't we, 00:23:27.650 --> 00:23:28.380 hold on. 00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:29.990 He sent me something that I 00:23:29.990 --> 00:23:30.740 wanted to play. 00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:32.680 Yeah, I mean, I would have Doug 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:32.920 . 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:33.920 Hello? 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:35.420 Ah, we're back. 00:23:35.420 --> 00:23:36.420 Yeah. 00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:37.420 Sorry. 00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:38.420 I don't know what went wrong. 00:23:38.420 --> 00:23:39.420 I would have Doug do it. 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:40.420 Here's the, yeah. 00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:41.420 Yeah. 00:23:41.420 --> 00:23:42.660 Listen, you listen to me? 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:43.660 Yeah. 00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:44.830 I would have Doug do it and I 00:23:44.830 --> 00:23:45.860 will if he wants to. 00:23:45.860 --> 00:23:47.150 I mean, you know, Doug's a nice 00:23:47.150 --> 00:23:48.080 guy and everything. 00:23:48.080 --> 00:23:49.080 Yeah. 00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:51.310 He's not politically, you know, 00:23:51.310 --> 00:23:52.240 I'm worried. 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:54.210 It's like the Stanford thing 00:23:54.210 --> 00:23:56.710 here is like, you know, it's, I 00:23:56.710 --> 00:23:58.680 want to make sure that we're, 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:00.590 you know, in good solid ground 00:24:00.590 --> 00:24:02.150 with them before adding any 00:24:02.150 --> 00:24:03.740 other variables to it. 00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:04.740 Yeah. 00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:05.510 Because that's a whole other 00:24:05.510 --> 00:24:05.900 side to it. 00:24:05.900 --> 00:24:07.220 At Harvard, I was there. 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:08.220 I was on site. 00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:09.220 I knew people. 00:24:09.220 --> 00:24:12.580 And even with that, okay, we 00:24:12.580 --> 00:24:15.940 still had a bunch of meltdowns 00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:18.980 on a sort of human level. 00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:20.010 And you know, none of that 00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:20.870 showed through in the 00:24:20.870 --> 00:24:22.260 conference, I don't think. 00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:23.400 And you know, it came off 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:24.680 pretty well, you know. 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:25.680 But you have that. 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:26.680 That happened. 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:29.220 And the thing I'm afraid of is 00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:32.050 that we have that meltdown, but 00:24:32.050 --> 00:24:33.640 I'm so far away that I 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.100 don't even know what happened. 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:37.330 And I don't have a rapport with 00:24:37.330 --> 00:24:38.700 the people he's working with. 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:39.980 And then the conference gets 00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:41.380 blown up, you know what I mean? 00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:42.380 Right. 00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:43.380 Right. 00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:44.280 It all goes back to, you know, 00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:45.180 setting your priorities. 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:46.610 I mean, could I do a blog or 00:24:46.610 --> 00:24:48.100 come without a webcast? 00:24:48.100 --> 00:24:49.100 Obviously. 00:24:49.100 --> 00:24:50.100 Yeah, of course. 00:24:50.100 --> 00:24:51.100 You did it, you know. 00:24:51.100 --> 00:24:52.150 Yeah, we could do one without 00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:52.420 it. 00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:53.860 So I have to make sure that the 00:24:53.860 --> 00:24:55.550 conference is, you know, we're 00:24:55.550 --> 00:24:56.880 on, you know, because 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:57.940 the bigger problem I have for 00:24:57.940 --> 00:24:59.010 the conference, and this is 00:24:59.010 --> 00:24:59.940 going to be something I'm 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:00.360 probably 00:25:00.360 --> 00:25:01.620 going to start within a few 00:25:01.620 --> 00:25:02.990 days after I get a couple more 00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:04.520 sessions announced is that we 00:25:04.520 --> 00:25:04.520 're 00:25:04.520 --> 00:25:06.080 going to raise some money. 00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:09.440 And, you know, how much money 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:10.240 do we need? 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:14.470 It's a very, probably 25,000, 00:25:14.470 --> 00:25:16.760 something like that. 00:25:16.760 --> 00:25:17.760 Holy shit. 00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:18.760 That's a lot of money. 00:25:18.760 --> 00:25:19.760 Well, that's not much. 00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:21.360 You think it's a lot of money. 00:25:21.360 --> 00:25:22.360 I think we can raise that kind 00:25:22.360 --> 00:25:22.820 of money. 00:25:22.820 --> 00:25:23.820 I don't think it's a problem. 00:25:23.820 --> 00:25:24.820 Sure. 00:25:24.820 --> 00:25:25.710 That's what we spent at the 00:25:25.710 --> 00:25:26.220 first two. 00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:28.360 I mean, you know, it's 00:25:28.360 --> 00:25:30.010 basically you have to pay for 00:25:30.010 --> 00:25:32.010 some of the facilities, you 00:25:32.010 --> 00:25:32.220 have 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:33.220 to pay for food. 00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:34.640 If we want to have refreshments 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:35.950 , we're going to have to, we 00:25:35.950 --> 00:25:37.060 have to pay for that. 00:25:37.060 --> 00:25:40.170 Who underwrote that last time, 00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:40.580 Dave? 00:25:40.580 --> 00:25:43.660 It was a combination of things. 00:25:43.660 --> 00:25:45.120 It was, some of it was from 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:46.870 donations from people who just 00:25:46.870 --> 00:25:48.580 gave money like yourself. 00:25:48.580 --> 00:25:50.380 You gave $1,000. 00:25:50.380 --> 00:25:52.600 I gave $1,000. 00:25:52.600 --> 00:25:53.600 Microsoft gave some money. 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:54.990 I don't remember the exact 00:25:54.990 --> 00:25:55.600 amount. 00:25:55.600 --> 00:25:57.720 Oh, Dave, all of a sudden, I 00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.240 have a great idea. 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:00.240 We can do a pledge drive. 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.010 Yeah, we're going to do a 00:26:02.010 --> 00:26:03.240 pledge drive. 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:04.780 Adam and Dave are going to stay 00:26:04.780 --> 00:26:07.240 on there until we have $25,000. 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.240 Wow. 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:09.820 Yeah, then you're going to go 00:26:09.820 --> 00:26:11.680 back to that Moroccan hash bar. 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.610 You should, when you come over 00:26:14.610 --> 00:26:17.640 to Europe, you're going to hang 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.760 out with my buddies at 00:26:19.760 --> 00:26:21.220 the, at Purple Rain in the 00:26:21.220 --> 00:26:22.460 Moroccan hash bar. 00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:23.460 They're cool, man. 00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:24.460 You'll have a bar. 00:26:24.460 --> 00:26:25.460 By the way, they were wrong. 00:26:25.460 --> 00:26:26.460 You guys were wrong. 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:28.580 I mean, Bush and Kerry are not 00:26:28.580 --> 00:26:29.540 the same thing. 00:26:29.540 --> 00:26:31.980 I mean, Bush is, is depraved. 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.700 He really is evil, you know? 00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:36.310 Somebody got, I heard this on 00:26:36.310 --> 00:26:37.260 CNN yesterday. 00:26:37.260 --> 00:26:39.260 This is really right on. 00:26:39.260 --> 00:26:41.190 They were doing some Arab guy 00:26:41.190 --> 00:26:43.610 and they were talking about, he 00:26:43.610 --> 00:26:45.340 was like Iraqi or Jordanian 00:26:45.340 --> 00:26:46.340 or something like that. 00:26:46.340 --> 00:26:47.340 He was very smart. 00:26:47.340 --> 00:26:48.950 And you know, the problem is 00:26:48.950 --> 00:26:50.500 that you got these assholes 00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:52.200 running around like, what's 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:53.410 the name of the guy who keeps 00:26:53.410 --> 00:26:54.840 cutting people's heads off? 00:26:54.840 --> 00:26:56.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:26:56.840 --> 00:26:58.040 It was just, it was just, it 00:26:58.040 --> 00:26:59.400 was just way mean, whatever. 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.330 Yeah, this guy, I know what you 00:27:00.330 --> 00:27:00.600 mean. 00:27:00.600 --> 00:27:01.600 Yeah. 00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:02.600 Mr. fucking asshole. 00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:03.600 Yeah. 00:27:03.600 --> 00:27:04.600 Yeah. 00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:05.600 People's heads off. 00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:06.600 Yeah, this is not a nice guy. 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:08.420 And then you've got, but then 00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:10.410 you've got George Bush who's 00:27:10.410 --> 00:27:12.520 laughing about the whole thing. 00:27:12.520 --> 00:27:13.920 I mean, that's what he's doing. 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.540 And all of the Republican 00:27:15.540 --> 00:27:17.550 talking points are, get on the 00:27:17.550 --> 00:27:19.290 air and laugh at whoever is 00:27:19.290 --> 00:27:19.820 saying 00:27:19.820 --> 00:27:21.060 that you're fucking up. 00:27:21.060 --> 00:27:22.580 Just laugh at them. 00:27:22.580 --> 00:27:24.220 And it is the most horrible 00:27:24.220 --> 00:27:26.260 thing to listen to these guys. 00:27:26.260 --> 00:27:28.000 They're really good at it and 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.500 they're really nasty. 00:27:29.500 --> 00:27:31.280 And the other guys just won't 00:27:31.280 --> 00:27:32.460 stoop that low. 00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:34.790 I mean, it's like the Democrats 00:27:34.790 --> 00:27:37.280 just sitting there, scratching 00:27:37.280 --> 00:27:39.620 their asses, going, we can't 00:27:39.620 --> 00:27:40.620 be that depraved. 00:27:40.620 --> 00:27:42.620 We're just not that bad. 00:27:42.620 --> 00:27:43.620 That's true. 00:27:43.620 --> 00:27:44.620 That's true. 00:27:44.620 --> 00:27:45.620 But is it effective? 00:27:45.620 --> 00:27:46.620 Is this strategy effective? 00:27:46.620 --> 00:27:47.320 That's why the Republicans are 00:27:47.320 --> 00:27:47.620 winning. 00:27:47.620 --> 00:27:49.700 I mean, the Republicans are 00:27:49.700 --> 00:27:51.960 winning because the people don 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.400 't know who's telling the truth. 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.970 And they've managed to sort of 00:27:56.970 --> 00:27:59.140 like, you know, put so much 00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:01.800 doubt on that that, you know, 00:28:01.800 --> 00:28:01.840 people 00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:03.750 just, so it really is important 00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:05.750 , I think, that people vote for 00:28:05.750 --> 00:28:06.720 John Kerrick. 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:07.720 Yeah. 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:08.720 Hello. 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:09.720 Yeah, I'm gonna be there. 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:10.720 Yeah, I'm gonna be there. 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.580 Yeah, it's not the same thing. 00:28:12.580 --> 00:28:14.020 I think we have a lot bigger 00:28:14.020 --> 00:28:15.700 holes to dig out of if we relic 00:28:15.700 --> 00:28:16.140 this. 00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:17.140 But yeah. 00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:18.140 Oh, I know. 00:28:18.140 --> 00:28:19.640 I totally agree. 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.960 But I think the point that we 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:24.360 came up with is, can you hear 00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:25.580 me, Dave? 00:28:25.580 --> 00:28:26.580 Hello? 00:28:26.580 --> 00:28:27.580 Hello? 00:28:27.580 --> 00:28:28.580 Yeah, I'm here. 00:28:28.580 --> 00:28:29.580 Yeah, I hear you. 00:28:29.580 --> 00:28:30.580 I hear you fine over here. 00:28:30.580 --> 00:28:31.580 Okay. 00:28:31.580 --> 00:28:33.680 The point that we hit on is 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.080 that in government, it's so 00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:38.180 intertwined with so many 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:39.140 conflicts 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:40.830 of interest and so much shit 00:28:40.830 --> 00:28:42.930 that, and, you know, Kerry will 00:28:42.930 --> 00:28:44.680 bring some of that with him 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:45.680 too, but I do agree. 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:46.680 Hello? 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:47.680 Yes. 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:48.370 There must be something wrong 00:28:48.370 --> 00:28:49.080 with your computer, Dave. 00:28:49.080 --> 00:28:50.080 I hear you fine. 00:28:50.080 --> 00:28:51.080 Ding, ding, ding. 00:28:51.080 --> 00:28:54.480 What is, what is wrong here? 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.440 What is the problem on? 00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:58.440 I hear you perfectly. 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.160 Oh, I did hear you perfectly. 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:01.160 You can hear me? 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.160 Yeah. 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.160 Oh, wait. 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:04.160 You can't hear me. 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:05.160 Hello? 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.160 Hello? 00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:07.160 Hello? 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:08.160 What's going on? 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.820 Okay, why am, why, why are you 00:29:11.820 --> 00:29:13.620 not, why are you not, why are 00:29:13.620 --> 00:29:15.160 you not, why are you not 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:16.160 here at me? 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:17.160 Uh, this is weird. 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:18.160 Uh, hello? 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.160 Hello? 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.160 Hello? 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:21.160 Hello? 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:22.160 Yeah. 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.160 Can you hear me? 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:23.720 Maybe we can try, yeah, I can 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:24.160 kind of hear you. 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.160 You can hear that one. 00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:26.030 You can't hear that either, huh 00:29:26.030 --> 00:29:26.160 ? 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.160 I can hear you fine now. 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:27.900 You feel, you're sounding very 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:28.160 good. 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:28.720 Okay, but you, you should be 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:29.160 able to hear this. 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.160 Yeah. 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.560 I don't know what it is I'm 00:29:33.560 --> 00:29:37.160 supposed to be hearing. 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.160 Do you hear me now? 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.160 Hello? 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.160 Hello? 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.160 Hello? 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.160 Okay, I can hear you fine. 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:51.160 Well, hold on a second. 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:56.160 I hate it when this happens. 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.160 Okay, now, can you hear me? 00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:00.160 I, I hear, oh yeah. 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:01.160 Okay. 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:02.160 Yeah, man. 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:03.160 Then we're good to go. 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:04.160 Then we're good to go. 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:05.970 I'm going to play you some 00:30:05.970 --> 00:30:06.960 music now. 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.560 You're going to play me some 00:30:08.560 --> 00:30:09.160 music? 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.160 Yeah. 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.160 Okay. 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:35.160 I'm going to play you some 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:35.160 music now. 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:36.160 Yup. 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.160 They did. 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:38.160 You forgot something. 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:39.160 Yeah. 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:40.160 You know what I forgot? 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:41.160 What? 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.160 It's 3am here. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.630 And you just turned it up to 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:47.160 like Max and everyone's 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.160 chilling out? 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.190 Oh yeah, you're chilling 00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:51.160 alright. 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:51.860 Yeah, you sent me a link to 00:30:51.860 --> 00:30:52.160 that. 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.160 What was up with that? 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.160 Is that your song of the day? 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:56.490 Like, I was just moving into 00:30:56.490 --> 00:30:57.160 that song. 00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:58.930 I just thought it was like, wow 00:30:58.930 --> 00:30:59.160 . 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:00.630 Have you heard the New Prince 00:31:00.630 --> 00:31:01.160 album? 00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.710 No, I'm still catching up on 00:31:03.710 --> 00:31:05.160 the old ones. 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.160 Oh man, hold on. 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.160 You got to check this out. 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.160 This will kill you. 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.160 This is new album Musicology? 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.160 Good. 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:16.160 What? 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:17.420 I got to ask him a couple of 00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:18.160 questions. 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.680 We got to get him on the show 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:20.160 here. 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.160 He'll come on. 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.160 He'll come on. 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:24.160 Check this out, dude. 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.160 Check this out. 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.160 This is from Musicology. 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.160 Ooh, that's funky. 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.160 It's completely old school. 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.340 Yeah, it's completely old 00:31:31.340 --> 00:31:32.160 school Prince. 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:39.160 [music] 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:41.160 Yeah, it's cool. 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:46.160 [music] 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.160 That's like James Brown. 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.160 Oh well, totally James Brown. 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:56.160 [music] 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.160 His shit is, it rocks so hard. 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.160 He's really, really good. 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.160 Yeah. 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.160 I mean, how many other, like, 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:05.020 how much more music do you need 00:32:05.020 --> 00:32:05.160 ? 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.160 I mean, that's sort of like... 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.160 Besides Prince? 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.160 It's Prince and that, you know, 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:11.160 it won't... 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:12.160 Listen, I'm really, you know, 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:13.160 this thing's coming in and out. 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:14.910 I can't hear anything right now 00:32:14.910 --> 00:32:15.160 . 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.010 I don't know if you can hear me 00:32:16.010 --> 00:32:16.160 . 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.160 Yeah, I can hear you, no 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:19.160 problem. 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.160 Yeah, there must be something. 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.160 Your machine is messed up, dude 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:24.160 . 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.160 [music] 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:29.160 All right, well listen. 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.300 What else do we want to talk 00:32:30.300 --> 00:32:31.160 about at 3AM? 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.160 Not in your talk. 00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:35.280 You know, if you can hear me, I 00:32:35.280 --> 00:32:36.500 'm thinking about buying a new 00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:38.160 computer just for this. 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:39.160 Yeah, buy a Mac. 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.160 Buy a Mac. 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:43.160 I can't hear anything. 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:48.160 Buy a Mac. 00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.160 Did you hear me? 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.160 Hold on. 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.160 I heard you say, "Did you hit?" 00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.160 I said, "Buy a Mac." 00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.160 Oh, buy a Mac. 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.160 Why would I want to do that? 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.260 But you said Macs have the same 00:33:04.260 --> 00:33:05.160 problem. 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:06.160 What? 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.160 This is so horrible. 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:09.180 I thought you said that Macs 00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:10.160 have the same problem. 00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:14.160 Oh, you can hear me now again? 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.160 Yeah. 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:17.160 Not as bad. 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.160 I can read what you're writing. 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.160 I can't hear you. 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.160 You can hear me fine. 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.160 No problem. 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.160 No problem at all. 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.160 So I should just talk. 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.160 What do I want to say? 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.160 Well, yeah. 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:31.890 Boy, I would really like to get 00:33:31.890 --> 00:33:33.160 a computer that works. 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:37.160 That's what I want to say. 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.240 Listen, if you can't hear me, 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.160 this is going to be useless. 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.160 I'll tell you what. 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:42.120 This is funny that Steve Gil 00:33:42.120 --> 00:33:44.190 more said he really enjoyed all 00:33:44.190 --> 00:33:45.160 of our trials and tribulations 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.210 trying to get that shit to work 00:33:47.210 --> 00:33:48.160 the other day. 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.660 Yeah, I'm going to tell you 00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:50.160 what. 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.160 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