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 I got the top story of the day.

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 Hi everybody, this is uh...

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 Trade Secrets! I'm Adam Curry,

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 coming to you from Belgium and

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 somewhere on another computer

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 is Dave Weiner.

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 Trade Secrets, man, here we are

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. We're in Seattle talking like

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 we're...

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 Well, it ain't exactly like

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 Jamaica, but it's close. It's

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 close. It's like 60 degrees

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 Fahrenheit here, man.

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 Oh really? What is that

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 centigrade? Here it's like 14

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 centigrade, so that's in the 50

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s.

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 It's cold and rainy and damp

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 and messy here.

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 Just like home. Just like home.

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 Just like it is here. Down home

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 in Seattle.

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 Where you're still residing.

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 How was your first week there,

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 Dave?

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 I don't know. It was kind of

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 Seattle-like. I changed the...

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 I just changed this morning the

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 time zone for something.

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 We're now back in the Pacific

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 time zone officially.

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 Oh, so wait a minute. So you

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 had... I want to point out to

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 our listeners that even though

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 we're both very capable, very

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 intelligent human beings,

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 with special skills, Dave's an

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 excellent developer. I can fly

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 helicopter, sophisticated

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 machinery.

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 Somehow it was very difficult

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 for the two of us to figure out

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 nine hours time difference.

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 We're going to do better next

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 time. You know that.

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 Yeah, that's for sure. He's

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 going to be much better.

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 So trade secrets. Here we are.

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 This is our second show.

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 Dave and I just spoke briefly.

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 I was on my way back from a

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 conference in the car.

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 You officially knighted me. You

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 said, "Oh, whatever. You're the

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 producer on all this stuff."

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 Which means it's my

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 responsibility if it all fucks

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 up, right?

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 Well, listen, absolutely. And

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 all the credit goes to you. I

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 was listening to your daily

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 source code thing on one of my

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 walks where...

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 By the way, I love the term "

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podcasting."

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 Isn't that great? Isn't that

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 fantastic?

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 Yeah. Good term. I did a Google

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 on it and Ben Hammersley seems

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 to have the first use of it.

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 Ben Hammersley has appropriated

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 almost everything. I'm glad to

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 be able to return the favor to

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 him.

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 Hey, Ben, if you can hear this,

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 thanks a lot.

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 Don't worry. I looked at the

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 server logs and people are

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 listening, Dave. Definitely.

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 Are they really?

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 Yeah. I saw more than 600

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 downloads.

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 Yeah. Well, this one will be

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 even better, I think.

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 Sorry for today. Are you there?

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 Yeah, I'm listening.

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 When you say "oops," stop.

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 There's this magic six-minute

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 thing coming up any minute now.

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 No, no, no. I think we're going

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 to be okay. It should be all

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 right.

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 Yeah. You know, it would be

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 great if you took a picture of

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 this sort of all this spaghetti

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 wiring stuff.

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 I'd love to see what it looks

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 like.

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 Okay. I'll do that as we speak.

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 Anyway, the big news today is

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 Twinkies Maker files for

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 bankruptcy.

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 And this is something I didn't

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 know that they employ about 34,

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000 people.

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 Holy crap.

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 And it says the maker of Hustis

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 Twinkies and Wonder Bread is

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 seeking bankruptcy court

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 protection from its creditors,

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 which is kind of weird, I think

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. You know, I guess it's good.

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 No, what do you think?

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 Well, first of all, I'm shocked

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. I'm shocked.

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 This is not just one, but two

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 American icons. Ladies, please,

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 don't squeeze squeeze in the

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 Wonder Bread.

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 Wow, that's outrageous. Does it

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 mention what the problem is? Is

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 this the Enron of snack foods?

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 Is that what we're at now?

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 It doesn't say. It doesn't say.

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 I'll tell you one thing. It's

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 probably not on the acting side

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.

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 So, you know, Krispy Kreme is

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 kind of having the same problem

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. They were riding really,

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 really high and it was sort of

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 like,

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 you'd have to wait for 15, 20

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 minutes to get your donut at

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 Krispy Kreme, but it was like a

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 party, you know.

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 Yeah.

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 And then all of a sudden.

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 Is it Chapter 11 that they

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 filed? Or is that it?

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 Yeah.

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 Okay. Well, so then I guess

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 there's a--

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 So you could probably pick it

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 up.

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 Yeah, we could pick it up cheap

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, you know.

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 For $10 billion, you get all

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 the Twinkies you can eat.

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 Cool. I would have liked that

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 when I was 12. I was really big

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 into Twinkies. I can't remember

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 the last time I had a Twinkies.

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 Well, you know, do you know

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 that there are no Twinkies of

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 all places in the Netherlands

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 that have never heard of a Tw

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inkie?

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 Really?

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 And I predict that if they find

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 out about Twinkies in the

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 coffee shops of Amsterdam, then

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 we can pull that company out of

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 bankruptcy in no time.

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 Yeah. Well, and then doing a

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 search on this, they found out

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 there's like all these

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 different aftermarket products

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 with Twinkies.

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 Like, you know, there's deep

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 fried Twinkies, which looks

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 really good.

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 The trick there is you freeze

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 them before you deep fry them,

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 and that sort of helps the-- it

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 not get all like, you know,

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 crazy on the inside.

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 And then there are women who

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 dress up and go out on the town

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, and they call themselves Twink

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ies, and they sort of dress like

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 Twinkies, and it's nice.

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 They dress like Twinkies.

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 They dress like Twinkies.

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 And they found, you know, not

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 such a bad thing, you know. It

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 looked pretty good. And one of

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 them-- one of them-- I'll post

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 this picture on www.scripps.com

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 in a little bit.

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 But one of them has a little

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 food stain on the front of her

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 dress.

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 Oh, no.

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 Now, maybe that's Twinkies.

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 Yeah, wow, there's a little

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 story going on there.

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 Anyway, all right, so which--

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 by the way, hearing an echo is

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 not really that cool.

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 Really?

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 Let me just check, see if I can

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 do something about that.

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 No, it's probably-- you know, I

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'll just turn down my headphones

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. It's probably just you coming

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 back through my headphones,

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 which I have.

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 I like to have them loud. That

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's a DJ problem.

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 Yeah, it's a real DJ tick. You

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 turn it up as loud as you can.

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 And of course, we all go deaf,

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 you know.

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 Okay, that's cool. So it's

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 pretty amazing this works.

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 Yeah, although once in a while

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 when you really talk loudly,

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 when you modulate, then it cuts

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 out just a little bit.

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 So I'm wondering if maybe if

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 you just pull back your mic

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 gain or anything, you could

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 change there?

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 Not really. Well, I mean, it

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 can, but--

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 Yeah, okay, well--

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 Wait, there's a volume control

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 system.

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 A volume control?

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 Here, one, two, three, four,

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 five. Is it going down?

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 Yeah, this is good. Okay, leave

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 it like that.

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 So the way we're connecting as

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 we did with the first show, and

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 this is-- it's pretty cutting-

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edge stuff.

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 What we're doing is I'm using i

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Chat AV, and we've set up a call

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 with AOL's Instant Messenger.

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 Now, what's interesting is that

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 you can't just use the talk

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 feature.

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 In fact, it'll say that, you

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 know, that I don't support the

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 talk feature.

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 So we have to actually open up

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 the webcam.

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 I figured out a way so we have

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 a one-way video chat, so that

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 way I'm pushing out a little

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 bit of bandwidth,

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 and I have my camera covered. I

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 just took a picture, Dave, with

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 a dish rag.

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 So we're using as few bits as

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 possible on video connection,

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 just using the audio.

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 And, you know, I'm routing

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 everything around, and

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 everything seems to be okay.

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 I'll knock on wood because my

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 Mac has not been happy since I

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've been doing all the--

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 I think when you do this audio

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 stuff, it messes up the hard

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 drive somehow, and sectors get

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 real.

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 Yeah, messed up. And now my

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 computer won't wake up from

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 sleep.

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 It'll wake up and-- it's

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 literally, you know, how your

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 Mac has a personality.

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 And so it wakes up and it goes,

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 "Oh, I don't think so." Click.

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 It turns off.

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 Yeah, my Windows machine has

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 personality, too.

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 Unfortunately, it's a really

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 shitty personality.

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 [laughter]

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 And I had the same exact thing

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 happen.

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 I tried to play The Sims 2,

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 which I got-- managed to get it

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 to boot up for like--

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 and run for like one minute or

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 two minutes.

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 Enough to know that I'm really

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 going to love it, but every

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 time I try to run that thing,

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 it just totally hangs up my

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 system.

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 Yeah, and I have to reboot

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 twice.

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 Rebooting once isn't enough, so

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 you have to like reboot,

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 and then sort of like watch the

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 machine suffer and then reboot

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 again,

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 and then you get your machine

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 back.

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 And every time something like

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 that happens, the machine gets

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 further and further away

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 from being anything that you

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 want to deal with.

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 And then what do you eventually

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 wind up doing?

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 I mean, I know what happens

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 with me is I usually wind up

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 getting so frustrated

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 and like, "Oh, time for a new

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 laptop," and it gets passed

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 down in line.

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 Exactly.

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 This machine was the result of

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 a Sony Vio getting into that

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 state,

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 which is now sitting in a

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 little container in my parents'

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 garage in New York City.

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 I can tell this one's going

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 there too.

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 Well, unfortunately, yeah, well

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 the same thing happened to my

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 server.

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 I tried to run some software up

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 on the new server I put

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 together,

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 and now I can't bring Frontier

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 to the front without it

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 crashing.

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 Oh, shoot.

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 So basically, yeah, it's one of

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 those situations.

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 So everything basically has to

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 do that.

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 So you're using WebEdit to make

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 changes.

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 WebEdit, that's right.

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 I'm doing all my stuff through

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 WebEdit, which is good

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 discipline.

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 It sort of keeps my

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 visualization ability active.

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 Unfortunately, I finally have a

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 NetConnection that is good

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 enough.

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 In Seattle here, I have a Cable

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Modem NetConnection, which is

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 pretty good.

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 And it's good enough for me to

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 VPN or whatever they call it

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 into that machine.

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 But now I can't use it.

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 Oh, man.

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 That's just the way it goes.

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 Well, maybe once we get Front

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ier open sourced,

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 we can start addressing some of

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 those kinds of issues

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 and get some good debugging

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 environment in there.

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 Regarding the Sims, on itcon

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versations.com, there is--

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 I'm trying to think if maybe I

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 can find it--

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 there's a whole speech by--

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 what's the guy's name?

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 The creator of the Sims?

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 Will Wright.

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 Will Wright?

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 It could be Will Wright.

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 And I listened to it.

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 It's one of those hour-long

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 deals.

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 And it was really good.

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 I mean, because he talked about

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 all the challenges and how they

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 figured it all out.

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 It was just unbelievable.

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 Yeah, Will Wright.

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 Damn.

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 An hour and 40 minutes.

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 That's captivating stuff.

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 Yeah.

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 Well, he's got a lot to say.

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 I mean, you can see that they

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 spend a little bit more than an

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 hour and 44 minutes putting

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 that game together.

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 Yeah, it's also--

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 It's not really a game.

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 So, SimXXX has never been about

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 games.

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 They're sort of like worlds

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 where you play God.

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 And you can have a lot of fun.

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 I read a comment on my blog a

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 year ago.

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 And it was just after my uncle

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 died.

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 And I was obviously in a pretty

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 Sims mode at the time.

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 So, in his honor, I basically

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 called my Sims and I put them

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 in a room.

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 And I built a-- I took out all

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 the doors and windows.

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 And I let them die.

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 I didn't torture them.

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 I let them starve.

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 Oh, no.

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 If I could have-- if I could

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 have, I would have cut their

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 heads off slowly.

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 Oh, man.

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 And watch them-- yeah, it's

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 like what we want to do with

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 the Zarkali.

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 Man, is this some fucked up

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 shit or what?

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 Well, they know how to push our

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 buttons, that's for sure.

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 Yeah, but it's not working.

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 It's not working.

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 No one's going to give into

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 that except-- was it Poland?

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 I think not Poland.

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 One country said we're out

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 after they were threatened.

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 Yeah.

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 Well, I don't think it's the

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 threats that are going to get

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 us.

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 But I think that it's hard to

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 ignore.

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 I mean, it's amazing how, look

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 at this, the argument for being

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 in Iraq is that, you know,

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 we're there to bring democracy.

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 And Bush is putting down Kerry

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 because Kerry said, according

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 to Bush, that they would be

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 better off of Saddam Hussein.

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 And of course, Kerry said, "

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Does it stay?"

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 And I mean, it's like-- this

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 whole way of arguing is like, I

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'm going to put some words in

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 your

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 mouth and then I'm going to

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 just--

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 Oh, did we lose you day-to-day?

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 Hello?

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 Here.

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 Oh, yeah, you're back.

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 Hello.

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 Yeah.

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 Okay.

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 Some guy named Juan Cole, I

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 think was his name.

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 I've pointed to it today.

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 He wrote a piece that sort of

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 put what's going on in Iraq in

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 perspective for people in the

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 United States, which is that,

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 you know, if Iraq was doing to

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 us what we were doing to

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 them, they would have 1.6

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 million troops in the United

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 States.

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 And every--

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 You say they don't already have

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 that number ready.

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 Sleepy.

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 Well, I don't think they do.

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 I think the Iraqis basically

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 are pretty, you know, they're

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 pretty screwed.

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 They got screwed under Hussein

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 and they're getting screwed

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 pretty badly right now.

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 A lot of them are dying.

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 And if you took the proportions

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, you know, 300 Iraqis are dying

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 every week.

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 And if you multiply that by 11,

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 which is the ratio of the

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 population of the U.S. to the

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 population of Iraq, that would

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 mean 3,300 Americans would be

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 dying every week, which is

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 just about the number of people

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 who died in 9/11.

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 But that would be happening

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 every week, weekend, weekend.

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 How long do you think we could

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 put up with that here?

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 Well, I feel pretty qualified

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 to talk about this, having been

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 in Iraq for 10 days.

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 And I met and spoke every

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 single day with different Iraq

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is from a different part of the

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 Southwestern region.

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 And at the time, they were just

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 so happy to see, you know, to

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 see the troops because,

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 you know, I saw the rebuilding.

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 I saw the training of the Iraqi

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 police force, the ICBC, which

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 is the cooperative defense

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 force.

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 I saw work being done on water

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 facilities, A school, A library

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, but okay, you know, it

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 was a start.

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 And I think that, you know,

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 exactly what you said is they

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're just fucking tired of this

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 shit already.

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 You know, thanks.

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 You know, the Saddam Hussein

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 thing was great.

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 But now they're just flipping

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 out.

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 This has got to stop.

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 Every person that's killed, you

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 know, six degrees of separation

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.

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 I mean, I know at least two

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 people personally who died in

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 the World Trade Center because

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 that's how vast it is.

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 You know, and you said if you

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 have 300 people a week dying,

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 then just keep multiplying that

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 by six and to the, you know,

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 whatever factor X it has to be.

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 And everyone, you know, is

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 affected by this.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 I don't know.

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 I mean, you know, they always

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 say, you know, Kerry doesn't

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 have a plan to get us out.

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 And I would, you know, let's

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 have a serious, first of all,

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 you know, how could, if Kerry

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 had a plan, it's like he's kind

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 of like in a situation.

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 Let's suppose he did have a

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 plan to get us out.

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 It would be irresponsible for

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 him to talk about it publicly.

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 Yeah, of course.

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 You know, he's not the

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 president.

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 And so basically it would be

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 the government if he did this.

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 Yeah, Bush gives him so much

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 shit for having voted in favor

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 of it, but, you know, he voted

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 to support the president.

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 So it's like you're complaining

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 because I supported you.

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 I mean, geez.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 I don't know.

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 It's all fucked up.

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 The United States isn't making

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 decisions in any kind of a

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 reasonable way.

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 And, you know, the concern is

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 that our army is being dec

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imated right now.

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 And that, you know, give it,

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 give it a little bit longer.

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 Basically, we just simply won't

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 be the superpower we once were.

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 And whether that's good or bad

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 is another question.

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 We certainly won't be the super

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 financial power, that's for

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 sure.

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 No, we're spending our wealth

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 right now.

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 And the only thing we have left

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, and this is the scary thing,

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 the only thing we have

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 left are the nukes.

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 And the world doesn't want a

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 world where the United States

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 only has one option, which

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 is to push the button.

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 Because, you know, especially

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 with a guy like Bush who really

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 has not, it seems like the

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 kind of guy who could do it,

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 you know?

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 Yeah.

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 So, let's have fun with this

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 radio show.

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 You can tell me, you're bumming

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 me out, Weiner.

00:16:07.160 --> 00:16:08.160
 Yeah.

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 I'm saying you're bumming me

00:16:08.920 --> 00:16:09.160
 out.

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 Anyway, so let's go.

00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:11.160
 You're bumming me out.

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 All right, all right, all right

00:16:12.030 --> 00:16:12.160
.

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 Let's play your song.

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 Oh, I have good news.

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 I have good news.

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 I have good news.

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 We have a house in England.

00:16:17.160 --> 00:16:18.160
 Yeah.

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 Whoa.

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 How did that happen?

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 Yeah, well, Patricia went over

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 Monday morning with her sister,

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 and they've been house hunting.

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 And we'd already looked at some

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 stuff online.

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 So we, you know, we had picked

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 out some candidates.

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 And as she called me last night

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, she said, "Well, I'm going to

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 look on the inside tomorrow

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 morning."

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 And this morning she called,

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 and we got a house.

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 So beginning of December, we

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 move.

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 What's it like?

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 What's the house like?

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 It's a 1930s English country

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 home.

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 It's got lots of property in

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 back.

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 Yeah.

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 You know what?

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 I'll be sure to take pictures.

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 I really don't know enough

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 about it.

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 Okay.

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 I just trust her.

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 We'll hear more about it.

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 I'll be sure to take pictures.

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 I said, "A, you have to get a

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 house that I can stand upright

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 in because especially

00:17:04.280 --> 00:17:06.030
 in the countryside in the UK,

00:17:06.030 --> 00:17:07.710
 it's really low for those

00:17:07.710 --> 00:17:09.520
 really short English people."

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 It's going to take you.

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 Oops.

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 Number two, it has to have an

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 airport within 15 minutes drive

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 because I am a pilot.

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 And number three, it has to

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 have broadband capability.

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 And otherwise, I don't care

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 about en suite bathrooms at all

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.

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 Right on.

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 You can let that sort of happen

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 and you don't have to get too

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 involved in it.

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 It's beautiful.

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 It's absolutely beautiful.

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 I love that.

00:17:35.760 --> 00:17:37.270
 So what's you've been working

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 on, Big Dave?

00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.980
 Well, I'm working on BloggerCon

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.

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 I mean, I'm working on Blogger

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Con.

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 I'm sort of networking here in

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 Seattle.

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 It was funny.

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 I was having problems with

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 email.

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 So I wasn't hearing back.

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 I had sent like 15 emails into

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 Microsoft just to sort of set

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 up some meetings that might

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 go out over a period of weeks

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 because I've never been here

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 for weeks.

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 And it's just sort of an

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 interesting opportunity.

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 And it was funny.

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 I got no responses back.

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 Zero.

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 Absolutely zero.

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 Oh, that must be an email

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 problem.

00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.440
 Well, that's part of it.

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 You sort of have this, maybe I

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 didn't take a bath or maybe it

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 was something I said.

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 You know what I mean?

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 It's like, he's watching.

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 Go read real scripting news.

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 Fuck, what did I say?

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 Yeah, what did I say?

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 I mean, anything unusually.

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 You were talking about Scoble's

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 boss.

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 That's what it was, man.

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 That's from last time.

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 It probably was.

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 Yeah, Scoble's boss.

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 Anyway, and so, you know, but

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 it turns out there's some, I

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 have to do something with

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 my email because, you know,

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 finally one of the guys called

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 me and said, "How can we

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 not respond to any of our

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 emails?"

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 And I go, "Well, well, that's a

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 relief."

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 And they can hear that, you

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 know, I have a future.

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 And Microsoft determines that

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 whether you have a future or

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 not?

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 No, of course not.

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 I'm just being a little facet

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ious.

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 But, you know, it's a weird

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 situation where on the whole

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 they're sort of like the

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 monster

00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:05.750
 company in the technology

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 industry, but as individuals,

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 they can be very, you know,

00:19:09.760 --> 00:19:09.760
 very

00:19:09.760 --> 00:19:11.160
 cool people to hang out with.

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 I mean, it's been through a lot

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, you know.

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 So, anyway, so that's cool.

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 And Bargher Khan's coming

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 together.

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 Today we released the first

00:19:18.330 --> 00:19:20.560
 session description.

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 This one was for Rosenberg who

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's going to do, what is, let's

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 see, I have to go back and

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 look.

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 You know, he came up with a

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 really cool way of phrasing it.

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 Let's see.

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 That's the, you know, border

00:19:35.310 --> 00:19:36.360
 crossing.

00:19:36.360 --> 00:19:37.360
 Yeah, border crossing.

00:19:37.360 --> 00:19:38.360
 Oh, border crossing.

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 That's good.

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 Border crossings.

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 That's off with a premise that

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 I don't totally want to ask.

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 I do want to ask.

00:19:46.360 --> 00:19:47.360
 Oops.

00:19:47.360 --> 00:19:49.360
 Hello, Dave.

00:19:49.360 --> 00:19:52.270
 Yeah, I was waiting for that to

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 happen.

00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:55.520
 Okay, let's see if we can get

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 Dave back on the horn.

00:19:57.360 --> 00:19:59.360
 And yeah, yeah, we're here.

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 Yeah, we're back.

00:20:00.360 --> 00:20:02.660
 Yeah, we have a little outage

00:20:02.660 --> 00:20:03.360
 there.

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 So, I love that thing that you

00:20:05.610 --> 00:20:08.040
 had on, you know, daily source

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 code about TV.

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 Watch me over here.

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 Oh, isn't it great?

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 Oh my God.

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 But you got to listen to that

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 audio book because it is so

00:20:16.770 --> 00:20:17.360
 good.

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 I am going to.

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 It's filled with performances

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 and some of them are so fucking

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 my, I mean, sorry for using

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 these words, but so mind

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 blowing.

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 Yeah.

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 They're like, God damn, this is

00:20:27.910 --> 00:20:28.360
 good.

00:20:28.360 --> 00:20:29.360
 Yeah.

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 Well, you would like Confeder

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acy of Dunstice too because it's

00:20:33.100 --> 00:20:34.360
 got a lot of that.

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 It's Artie Johnson who was from

00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:37.360
 Martin's left.

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 It's probably your time.

00:20:39.360 --> 00:20:42.360
 That was like 1968.

00:20:42.360 --> 00:20:44.190
 But, and he's got to be like in

00:20:44.190 --> 00:20:47.360
 his 80s now, but it's.

00:20:47.360 --> 00:20:48.360
 Hey, Dave.

00:20:48.360 --> 00:20:49.360
 Yeah.

00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:50.360
 Hold on one second.

00:20:50.360 --> 00:20:51.360
 Let me just check something.

00:20:51.360 --> 00:20:52.360
 Hold on one second.

00:20:52.360 --> 00:20:53.650
 But we're back, ladies and

00:20:53.650 --> 00:20:54.360
 gentlemen.

00:20:54.360 --> 00:20:55.360
 Yes.

00:20:55.360 --> 00:20:56.360
 Okay.

00:20:56.360 --> 00:20:57.360
 We've wasted three.

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 I feel crappy.

00:20:58.360 --> 00:20:59.360
 I feel crappy.

00:20:59.360 --> 00:21:00.360
 No, you sound wonderful.

00:21:00.360 --> 00:21:02.360
 Here I sound crappy.

00:21:02.360 --> 00:21:04.360
 Somebody was telling me.

00:21:04.360 --> 00:21:05.760
 No, no, no, you don't sound

00:21:05.760 --> 00:21:06.360
 crappy.

00:21:06.360 --> 00:21:07.360
 You sound wonderful.

00:21:07.360 --> 00:21:08.360
 No, really.

00:21:08.360 --> 00:21:09.360
 Okay.

00:21:09.360 --> 00:21:10.590
 Now let's get back on track

00:21:10.590 --> 00:21:11.360
 here, Dave.

00:21:11.360 --> 00:21:13.360
 What are we talking about?

00:21:13.360 --> 00:21:15.670
 I think we were talking about

00:21:15.670 --> 00:21:17.710
 the swift boat veterans for

00:21:17.710 --> 00:21:20.360
 truth and whether or not George

00:21:20.360 --> 00:21:21.550
 Bush actually has to go to the

00:21:21.550 --> 00:21:22.360
 National Guard.

00:21:22.360 --> 00:21:23.360
 No, please.

00:21:23.360 --> 00:21:24.360
 Please.

00:21:24.360 --> 00:21:25.360
 Let's talk about that forever.

00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:26.360
 No, please.

00:21:26.360 --> 00:21:27.360
 No, let's not.

00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:28.360
 Let's not.

00:21:28.360 --> 00:21:30.040
 Well, we were talking about

00:21:30.040 --> 00:21:32.080
 Scott Rosenberg's description

00:21:32.080 --> 00:21:34.360
 of his session, which was.

00:21:34.360 --> 00:21:35.360
 For BlagerCon.

00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:36.670
 For BlagerCon called Border

00:21:36.670 --> 00:21:37.360
 Crossings.

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 And of course I mentioned that

00:21:39.260 --> 00:21:40.990
 really to sort of drop a hint

00:21:40.990 --> 00:21:42.360
 to you that it's, we really

00:21:42.360 --> 00:21:43.430
 need to go in on the

00:21:43.430 --> 00:21:45.540
 description for your session at

00:21:45.540 --> 00:21:46.360
 BlagerCon.

00:21:46.360 --> 00:21:48.220
 And what I was thinking is it,

00:21:48.220 --> 00:21:49.740
 is it not appropriate to do

00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:51.360
 that on trade secrets?

00:21:51.360 --> 00:21:53.480
 Well, it's totally appropriate

00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.360
 to do it wherever you want.

00:21:55.360 --> 00:21:57.390
 Whatever form you want to do it

00:21:57.390 --> 00:21:59.040
 in, but it's got to end up

00:21:59.040 --> 00:22:00.840
 being a blog post on www.blager

00:22:00.840 --> 00:22:01.360
con.org.

00:22:01.360 --> 00:22:04.360
 Yeah, I understand.

00:22:04.360 --> 00:22:05.360
 You know, yeah.

00:22:05.360 --> 00:22:07.220
 I mean, I think, yeah, go ahead

00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:07.360
.

00:22:07.360 --> 00:22:08.870
 No, what you're saying is would

00:22:08.870 --> 00:22:10.220
 you please hurry up and write

00:22:10.220 --> 00:22:11.360
 the description of the

00:22:11.360 --> 00:22:11.360
 discussion

00:22:11.360 --> 00:22:12.360
 you're leading?

00:22:12.360 --> 00:22:13.840
 Or, I mean, you know, what

00:22:13.840 --> 00:22:15.300
 happened with Scott wrote a

00:22:15.300 --> 00:22:17.180
 description and I said, well,

00:22:17.180 --> 00:22:17.360
 that

00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:19.640
 completely lacks any passion or

00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:20.360
 blood.

00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:22.210
 And if I saw that description,

00:22:22.210 --> 00:22:23.570
 I would never go to that

00:22:23.570 --> 00:22:24.360
 session.

00:22:24.360 --> 00:22:25.710
 Why don't you tell me what you

00:22:25.710 --> 00:22:26.360
 think first?

00:22:26.360 --> 00:22:27.360
 Right.

00:22:27.360 --> 00:22:28.460
 And he said, really, you want

00:22:28.460 --> 00:22:29.360
 to know what I think?

00:22:29.360 --> 00:22:30.840
 And I said, yeah, because then

00:22:30.840 --> 00:22:32.270
 people will get some idea about

00:22:32.270 --> 00:22:33.360
, you know, they'll start

00:22:33.360 --> 00:22:34.680
 thinking if they don't agree

00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.030
 with you, believe me, you're

00:22:36.030 --> 00:22:37.380
 going to hear it from them,

00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:38.360
 right?

00:22:38.360 --> 00:22:40.190
 And so when you try to, so, you

00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:42.130
 know, so that's where you start

00:22:42.130 --> 00:22:42.360
.

00:22:42.360 --> 00:22:44.360
 I mean, what do you think?

00:22:44.360 --> 00:22:47.150
 I mean, this whole idea of the

00:22:47.150 --> 00:22:50.040
 blogosphere, I guess it's the

00:22:50.040 --> 00:22:53.360
 blogosphere extending into

00:22:53.360 --> 00:22:56.360
 the audience of the world.

00:22:56.360 --> 00:22:57.030
 I think it's two separate

00:22:57.030 --> 00:22:57.360
 things.

00:22:57.360 --> 00:22:59.530
 I think it's almost unrelated,

00:22:59.530 --> 00:23:02.360
 although it's totally not.

00:23:02.360 --> 00:23:03.910
 Well, since this is called a

00:23:03.910 --> 00:23:05.590
 blogger con, we kind of have to

00:23:05.590 --> 00:23:06.360
 relate it.

00:23:06.360 --> 00:23:07.360
 No, no, no.

00:23:07.360 --> 00:23:11.010
 I understand what you're saying

00:23:11.010 --> 00:23:11.360
.

00:23:11.360 --> 00:23:13.250
 But my perspective, as a user,

00:23:13.250 --> 00:23:14.860
 I'm coming from a different

00:23:14.860 --> 00:23:17.360
 place than from blogging for

00:23:17.360 --> 00:23:17.360
 this.

00:23:17.360 --> 00:23:21.360
 I mean, that's got to be clear.

00:23:21.360 --> 00:23:23.590
 But we're using all the same

00:23:23.590 --> 00:23:24.360
 technology.

00:23:24.360 --> 00:23:25.570
 And we're just beginning to

00:23:25.570 --> 00:23:26.740
 figure out how the two work

00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:27.360
 together.

00:23:27.360 --> 00:23:28.360
 I think that's --

00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:29.660
 Well, why do you say you're

00:23:29.660 --> 00:23:31.360
 coming from a different place?

00:23:31.360 --> 00:23:32.910
 Why do you say you're coming

00:23:32.910 --> 00:23:34.360
 from a different place?

00:23:34.360 --> 00:23:36.730
 I mean, because right now I'm

00:23:36.730 --> 00:23:39.370
 viewing iPodder and enclosures

00:23:39.370 --> 00:23:40.940
 and the way we're getting all

00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:41.360
 this out there

00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:44.010
 and distributed purely as that,

00:23:44.010 --> 00:23:45.360
 as an antenna.

00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:46.760
 And I'm sitting here, and I

00:23:46.760 --> 00:23:48.360
 could be doing a radio show.

00:23:48.360 --> 00:23:49.510
 I could be doing a top 30

00:23:49.510 --> 00:23:50.360
 countdown show.

00:23:50.360 --> 00:23:51.860
 I like doing this because this

00:23:51.860 --> 00:23:52.360
 is just --

00:23:52.360 --> 00:23:53.860
 We can do whatever the hell we

00:23:53.860 --> 00:23:54.360
 want.

00:23:54.360 --> 00:23:55.780
 No program director is going to

00:23:55.780 --> 00:23:58.390
 get mad at us if we sound like

00:23:58.390 --> 00:24:00.360
 total baboons.

00:24:00.360 --> 00:24:02.030
 But isn't that -- okay, in all

00:24:02.030 --> 00:24:03.900
 seriousness, though, doesn't

00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:05.730
 that have a lot to do with blog

00:24:05.730 --> 00:24:06.360
ging?

00:24:06.360 --> 00:24:07.770
 I mean, for me, the quality of

00:24:07.770 --> 00:24:08.360
 blogging --

00:24:08.360 --> 00:24:11.540
 When I started blogging, I

00:24:11.540 --> 00:24:12.970
 immediately went and took a job

00:24:12.970 --> 00:24:15.570
 at Wired because they liked my

00:24:15.570 --> 00:24:16.360
 writing.

00:24:16.360 --> 00:24:18.700
 And they said, "Let's hire this

00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:19.360
 guy."

00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:20.360
 And I said, "Sure."

00:24:20.360 --> 00:24:22.150
 I thought it was like, "Okay,

00:24:22.150 --> 00:24:23.360
 that's a move up."

00:24:23.360 --> 00:24:24.750
 And then I learned pretty

00:24:24.750 --> 00:24:26.320
 quickly, although the people

00:24:26.320 --> 00:24:27.360
 there were excellent,

00:24:27.360 --> 00:24:29.110
 that it wasn't really a move up

00:24:29.110 --> 00:24:29.360
.

00:24:29.360 --> 00:24:30.600
 It was a move in a different

00:24:30.600 --> 00:24:31.360
 direction.

00:24:31.360 --> 00:24:34.480
 So it seems to me that this has

00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.860
 a lot to do with blogging in

00:24:37.860 --> 00:24:39.360
 that --

00:24:39.360 --> 00:24:41.090
 Like you said, there's no --

00:24:41.090 --> 00:24:42.920
 the whole freedom thing where

00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:44.850
 there's nobody to tell you what

00:24:44.850 --> 00:24:46.360
 you can and can't say.

00:24:46.360 --> 00:24:48.090
 You're not trying to achieve

00:24:48.090 --> 00:24:49.900
 some other results than just

00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:51.560
 sort of like filling time with

00:24:51.560 --> 00:24:52.360
 your ideas.

00:24:52.360 --> 00:24:53.360
 That's what a blog is.

00:24:53.360 --> 00:24:55.920
 Yes, so then I agree with you

00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.360
 100%.

00:24:57.360 --> 00:24:58.680
 And I guess it doesn't matter

00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.770
 if you're using the same

00:24:59.770 --> 00:25:01.590
 protocols and systems to

00:25:01.590 --> 00:25:04.360
 distribute text or audio.

00:25:04.360 --> 00:25:05.360
 That doesn't make a difference.

00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:08.360
 Don't focus on the technology.

00:25:08.360 --> 00:25:10.020
 Adam, don't focus on the

00:25:10.020 --> 00:25:10.360
 technology.

00:25:10.360 --> 00:25:11.980
 Because while you have to solve

00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:13.440
 the technological problems to

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:14.360
 get anything to happen,

00:25:14.360 --> 00:25:16.740
 ultimately it's what the result

00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:18.500
 is with the person who is

00:25:18.500 --> 00:25:20.480
 influenced by what you're

00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:21.360
 saying.

00:25:21.360 --> 00:25:22.360
 Right. Well, it's freedom of

00:25:22.360 --> 00:25:22.360
 speech.

00:25:22.360 --> 00:25:23.360
 Of course.

00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:24.760
 I just want to talk some shit

00:25:24.760 --> 00:25:26.070
 and I want to get something

00:25:26.070 --> 00:25:26.360
 done.

00:25:26.360 --> 00:25:27.560
 And of course, it's exactly

00:25:27.560 --> 00:25:28.360
 like blogging.

00:25:28.360 --> 00:25:30.670
 And the difference -- here's

00:25:30.670 --> 00:25:31.360
 the difference.

00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:34.110
 When you went to work for Wired

00:25:34.110 --> 00:25:36.570
, your profession probably wasn

00:25:36.570 --> 00:25:37.360
't a writer.

00:25:37.360 --> 00:25:39.360
 A writer of English prose.

00:25:39.360 --> 00:25:41.360
 You were a writer of code.

00:25:41.360 --> 00:25:42.360
 No, absolutely.

00:25:42.360 --> 00:25:44.360
 Right. No, it's a new thing.

00:25:44.360 --> 00:25:46.360
 Okay, so here's the difference.

00:25:46.360 --> 00:25:48.360
 I am a broadcaster.

00:25:48.360 --> 00:25:50.360
 I am an audio guy.

00:25:50.360 --> 00:25:51.780
 So this to me is like all of a

00:25:51.780 --> 00:25:53.870
 sudden, the cookie jar has been

00:25:53.870 --> 00:25:55.360
 opened and I have free access.

00:25:55.360 --> 00:25:57.280
 And so I think I have a very

00:25:57.280 --> 00:25:59.360
 different experience.

00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:00.360
 And I can tell.

00:26:00.360 --> 00:26:01.440
 I can hear people trying to

00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.690
 figure out a format, how they

00:26:02.690 --> 00:26:04.640
 want to do this, what is a blog

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:06.360
 post, how long should it be?

00:26:06.360 --> 00:26:08.360
 Do I need to attach URLs?

00:26:08.360 --> 00:26:10.120
 No, I'm coming from a very

00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:11.360
 different van.

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:12.440
 I'm like, whoa, you know,

00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:13.730
 finally got my own transmitter,

00:26:13.730 --> 00:26:15.360
 everybody. Hello.

00:26:15.360 --> 00:26:16.650
 Yeah, no, it's great to hear

00:26:16.650 --> 00:26:17.360
 you do that.

00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:20.800
 You're sort of evangelist and

00:26:20.800 --> 00:26:23.360
 sort of guiding light.

00:26:23.360 --> 00:26:24.590
 I don't want to like float your

00:26:24.590 --> 00:26:25.360
 ego or anything.

00:26:25.360 --> 00:26:26.360
 Keep going, baby.

00:26:26.360 --> 00:26:27.360
 Come on, man.

00:26:27.360 --> 00:26:28.670
 I think you can kind of see

00:26:28.670 --> 00:26:30.360
 where this is going, right?

00:26:30.360 --> 00:26:32.360
 Well, it's working, Dave.

00:26:32.360 --> 00:26:33.360
 Where it's going is --

00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:34.830
 Yeah, no, it's what -- I get

00:26:34.830 --> 00:26:35.360
 that.

00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:36.360
 Yeah, it's fucking --

00:26:36.360 --> 00:26:37.650
 But for a guy like me, I'm not

00:26:37.650 --> 00:26:39.360
 exactly sure where we're going.

00:26:39.360 --> 00:26:40.840
 I mean, you said something

00:26:40.840 --> 00:26:42.790
 yesterday in Daily Tests, which

00:26:42.790 --> 00:26:44.990
 made an impression, which is

00:26:44.990 --> 00:26:46.660
 that basically, you know, you

00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:47.860
 don't have to do the whole

00:26:47.860 --> 00:26:48.360
 thing.

00:26:48.360 --> 00:26:49.360
 You can just do part of it.

00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:50.950
 You can be, you know, have a

00:26:50.950 --> 00:26:52.360
 five-second sound bite.

00:26:52.360 --> 00:26:53.670
 And if it's an interesting

00:26:53.670 --> 00:26:55.350
 enough five-second sound bite,

00:26:55.350 --> 00:26:57.380
 then it, you know, becomes a

00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:58.810
 whole thing, you know, part of

00:26:58.810 --> 00:26:59.360
 the whole thing.

00:26:59.360 --> 00:27:00.360
 Right. And whereas I don't

00:27:00.360 --> 00:27:00.360
 think it's --

00:27:00.360 --> 00:27:02.360
 That guy, what was his name?

00:27:02.360 --> 00:27:03.360
 What was his name?

00:27:03.360 --> 00:27:04.360
 Pete Produre --

00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:05.360
 Right.

00:27:05.360 --> 00:27:06.360
 He actually did --

00:27:06.360 --> 00:27:07.360
 Oh, hold on a second.

00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:08.360
 You got to hear this.

00:27:08.360 --> 00:27:09.360
 It's going to trip you out.

00:27:09.360 --> 00:27:10.360
 Hold on.

00:27:10.360 --> 00:27:11.360
 He did one for me.

00:27:11.360 --> 00:27:13.360
 Where do I have Pete here?

00:27:13.360 --> 00:27:15.360
 He's been around.

00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:16.520
 That guy has been posting on

00:27:16.520 --> 00:27:17.730
 various mail lists for quite

00:27:17.730 --> 00:27:18.360
 some time.

00:27:18.360 --> 00:27:19.360
 He's --

00:27:19.360 --> 00:27:20.360
 Maybe he's very familiar.

00:27:20.360 --> 00:27:21.360
 I like him.

00:27:21.360 --> 00:27:22.200
 Okay, now I'm going to do

00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.360
 something really tricky here.

00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:24.680
 I'm going to switch your input

00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:25.880
 so you can hear what he did as

00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:26.360
 well.

00:27:26.360 --> 00:27:28.360
 So don't talk.

00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:29.360
 Please.

00:27:29.360 --> 00:27:30.360
 I won't talk.

00:27:30.360 --> 00:27:31.460
 Okay, you may get a little bit

00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:32.680
 of echo or whatever, but we'll

00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:33.360
 see how it works.

00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:34.360
 Hold on.

00:27:34.360 --> 00:27:37.360
 Here we go.

00:27:37.360 --> 00:27:39.350
 This is Rest Web Audio for

00:27:39.350 --> 00:27:42.700
 September 22, 2004, slightly

00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:43.360
 after a minute.

00:27:43.360 --> 00:27:45.870
 On top, it could be the weather

00:27:45.870 --> 00:27:48.360
 in Montclair, New Jersey.

00:27:48.360 --> 00:27:50.200
 The current conditions for Mont

00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:51.360
clair, New Jersey.

00:27:51.360 --> 00:28:01.360
 [Laughter]

00:28:01.360 --> 00:28:03.360
 Oh, my God.

00:28:03.360 --> 00:28:05.360
 How cool is that?

00:28:05.360 --> 00:28:09.360
 That is on a scale of 1 to 10.

00:28:09.360 --> 00:28:17.380
 I'm telling you, I'm telling

00:28:17.380 --> 00:28:19.360
 you.

00:28:19.360 --> 00:28:20.560
 You must have heard that a

00:28:20.560 --> 00:28:21.360
 million times.

00:28:21.360 --> 00:28:22.360
 Oh, my God.

00:28:22.360 --> 00:28:23.630
 Basically, I was successful in

00:28:23.630 --> 00:28:24.710
 setting up a software sound

00:28:24.710 --> 00:28:25.360
 loop there.

00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:27.570
 Yeah, well, many, many loops

00:28:27.570 --> 00:28:28.360
 going on.

00:28:28.360 --> 00:28:29.640
 And while, of course, you told

00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:30.610
 me to be quiet while all that

00:28:30.610 --> 00:28:31.360
 was happening.

00:28:31.360 --> 00:28:32.960
 Not only was I defying with

00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.900
 laughter, but my phone rang,

00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:35.360
 too.

00:28:35.360 --> 00:28:36.360
 Oh, no.

00:28:36.360 --> 00:28:38.830
 So, talk about the real world

00:28:38.830 --> 00:28:40.360
 in our seating.

00:28:40.360 --> 00:28:41.360
 Great.

00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:44.140
 And I can't wait until we get

00:28:44.140 --> 00:28:47.360
 the hardware thing all settled

00:28:47.360 --> 00:28:48.360
 so that it's just a matter

00:28:48.360 --> 00:28:51.360
 so that we can do time shift.

00:28:51.360 --> 00:28:52.860
 It should be really easy for me

00:28:52.860 --> 00:28:54.300
 just to -- it should be like

00:28:54.300 --> 00:28:55.360
 creating an email message.

00:28:55.360 --> 00:28:56.360
 Exactly.

00:28:56.360 --> 00:28:57.360
 To create an audio blog post.

00:28:57.360 --> 00:28:58.730
 It shouldn't be anything more

00:28:58.730 --> 00:28:59.360
 than that.

00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:00.360
 And we're very close.

00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:02.660
 We're so close to getting that

00:29:02.660 --> 00:29:03.360
 done.

00:29:03.360 --> 00:29:06.090
 And already everyone -- so now

00:29:06.090 --> 00:29:10.310
 on iPodder, basically, there's

00:29:10.310 --> 00:29:13.360
 one client that is emerging.

00:29:13.360 --> 00:29:15.210
 And there's a GUI for -- and it

00:29:15.210 --> 00:29:17.130
's like three or four teams have

00:29:17.130 --> 00:29:19.360
 now come together and they've

00:29:19.360 --> 00:29:21.130
 put all their code into one

00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:23.360
 source forge project.

00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:26.170
 And they even have BitTorrent

00:29:26.170 --> 00:29:27.360
 working.

00:29:27.360 --> 00:29:29.360
 I mean, it's going so fast.

00:29:29.360 --> 00:29:30.360
 Yeah, I saw that.

00:29:30.360 --> 00:29:31.870
 It's unbelievable how fast it's

00:29:31.870 --> 00:29:32.360
 going.

00:29:32.360 --> 00:29:33.360
 So, I think --

00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:34.360
 Go ahead.

00:29:34.360 --> 00:29:36.890
 No, it's also starting to get

00:29:36.890 --> 00:29:38.360
 congested, too.

00:29:38.360 --> 00:29:40.540
 You have so many people on my

00:29:40.540 --> 00:29:42.890
 list that you've had some stop

00:29:42.890 --> 00:29:45.360
 energy has showed up there.

00:29:45.360 --> 00:29:46.360
 Sure.

00:29:46.360 --> 00:29:47.360
 Oh, yeah.

00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:48.360
 Absolutely.

00:29:48.360 --> 00:29:49.470
 And I encourage you to just

00:29:49.470 --> 00:29:50.360
 sort of kick back.

00:29:50.360 --> 00:29:51.360
 That's what I'm going to do.

00:29:51.360 --> 00:29:53.450
 I mean, it's tempting for me to

00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:55.610
 come in and say, "Okay, well,

00:29:55.610 --> 00:29:58.410
 here's how you simplify the

00:29:58.410 --> 00:29:59.820
 thought process here so that

00:29:59.820 --> 00:30:01.360
 you don't get all stuck on

00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:01.360
 these questions."

00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:05.360
 But it never works.

00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:07.360
 That never, ever, ever works.

00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:08.360
 No, and --

00:30:08.360 --> 00:30:09.360
 Because --

00:30:09.360 --> 00:30:10.360
 Yeah.

00:30:10.360 --> 00:30:12.070
 Because you have people there

00:30:12.070 --> 00:30:13.360
 who want to get stuck.

00:30:13.360 --> 00:30:14.360
 Yeah.

00:30:14.360 --> 00:30:15.510
 Otherwise, if they do want to

00:30:15.510 --> 00:30:16.790
 get stuck, they could get unst

00:30:16.790 --> 00:30:17.360
uck so easily.

00:30:17.360 --> 00:30:19.110
 I mean, sure, you want to put

00:30:19.110 --> 00:30:20.800
 multiple enclosures on a RSS

00:30:20.800 --> 00:30:21.360
 item.

00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:22.720
 Well, the spec doesn't really

00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:24.270
 say you can't do that, actually

00:30:24.270 --> 00:30:24.360
.

00:30:24.360 --> 00:30:25.360
 No.

00:30:25.360 --> 00:30:26.940
 It doesn't say that there's

00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:28.730
 only one -- and that's been a

00:30:28.730 --> 00:30:30.360
 flaw in the spec.

00:30:30.360 --> 00:30:31.820
 It would be nice if the spec

00:30:31.820 --> 00:30:33.660
 said you could have many, or if

00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:34.830
 the spec said you could only

00:30:34.830 --> 00:30:36.220
 have one, that would sort of

00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:37.360
 end the discussion.

00:30:37.360 --> 00:30:38.670
 But you know that you can have

00:30:38.670 --> 00:30:39.360
 one, right?

00:30:39.360 --> 00:30:40.360
 Right.

00:30:40.360 --> 00:30:42.180
 The spec allows for one, so why

00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:43.780
 not just keep it simple and

00:30:43.780 --> 00:30:45.360
 just have one, you know?

00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:46.360
 Right.

00:30:46.360 --> 00:30:47.930
 So some people need to make a

00:30:47.930 --> 00:30:49.460
 philosophical battle where

00:30:49.460 --> 00:30:50.360
 there's none.

00:30:50.360 --> 00:30:52.370
 I mean, can you create another

00:30:52.370 --> 00:30:54.240
 item that has no description

00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:55.360
 and no title?

00:30:55.360 --> 00:30:57.360
 Well, and here's the thing.

00:30:57.360 --> 00:31:00.830
 The entire conversation was

00:31:00.830 --> 00:31:03.600
 based upon the question of, you

00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:05.860
 know, now that people are also

00:31:05.860 --> 00:31:09.360
 using iPodder for BitTorrents,

00:31:09.360 --> 00:31:10.830
 you should be able to have

00:31:10.830 --> 00:31:12.360
 multiple enclosures.

00:31:12.360 --> 00:31:13.490
 So you have the regular audio

00:31:13.490 --> 00:31:14.660
 file and then you have the BitT

00:31:14.660 --> 00:31:15.360
orrent file.

00:31:15.360 --> 00:31:16.720
 Whereas I said, well, you know,

00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:17.960
 it's probably much simpler for

00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:18.360
 now.

00:31:18.360 --> 00:31:20.170
 Let's bookmark this here just

00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:22.360
 to publish two different feeds.

00:31:22.360 --> 00:31:23.660
 You know, it's a lot less

00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:25.460
 confusing for, you know, trying

00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:26.950
 to figure out what the feed is

00:31:26.950 --> 00:31:29.490
 doing and all the issues of, as

00:31:29.490 --> 00:31:30.360
 you just said, you know?

00:31:30.360 --> 00:31:31.660
 Well, aside from that, isn't

00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:32.950
 the whole point of having BitT

00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:34.200
orrents that you don't want to

00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:35.360
 expose the original?

00:31:35.360 --> 00:31:36.940
 Yeah, well, this is, of course

00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:39.360
 it is. Of course. Of course.

00:31:39.360 --> 00:31:41.360
 So, stick to your guns.

00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:42.360
 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:42.360 --> 00:31:43.280
 You know, when people start

00:31:43.280 --> 00:31:44.430
 being theoretical about things,

00:31:44.430 --> 00:31:45.900
 say, "Whoa, it would be nice to

00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:46.360
 have this,"

00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:48.530
 there was this great piece that

00:31:48.530 --> 00:31:50.270
 Frank Lakey wrote yesterday

00:31:50.270 --> 00:31:52.360
 that I pointed to about a

00:31:52.360 --> 00:31:54.720
 similar discussion that's

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:56.100
 happening on the photo RSS mail

00:31:56.100 --> 00:31:56.360
 list.

00:31:56.360 --> 00:31:59.120
 That's not the name of the list

00:31:59.120 --> 00:32:00.280
, but that's the problem that

00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:01.360
 they're trying to deal with.

00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:03.910
 And, you know, he's been

00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:07.040
 through this loop apparently to

00:32:07.040 --> 00:32:10.450
 its complete utter resolution,

00:32:10.450 --> 00:32:12.360
 which is no resolution at all.

00:32:12.360 --> 00:32:14.520
 And, you know, it says that

00:32:14.520 --> 00:32:16.590
 there's a face-off between

00:32:16.590 --> 00:32:18.930
 people who want to discuss eleg

00:32:18.930 --> 00:32:20.600
ance and keep putting that

00:32:20.600 --> 00:32:22.360
 solution off as far as they can

00:32:22.360 --> 00:32:22.360
,

00:32:22.360 --> 00:32:23.530
 and the people who just want to

00:32:23.530 --> 00:32:24.750
 do some programming work today

00:32:24.750 --> 00:32:25.840
 and get something out there

00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:26.360
 working.

00:32:26.360 --> 00:32:27.970
 Okay, those people shouldn't be

00:32:27.970 --> 00:32:29.360
 on the same mailing list.

00:32:29.360 --> 00:32:31.360
 Exactly.

00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:34.430
 This really sucks. I mean, I

00:32:34.430 --> 00:32:36.950
 had a call from, there's

00:32:36.950 --> 00:32:39.070
 something going on with stalk

00:32:39.070 --> 00:32:39.360
ers.

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:40.360
 Stalkers?

00:32:40.360 --> 00:32:43.590
 Stalkers. Total gear shift

00:32:43.590 --> 00:32:45.450
 change here. I've met three

00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:47.400
 different women here in Seattle

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.800
, all of whom won't use their

00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:51.360
 last names on their mailboxes

00:32:51.360 --> 00:32:52.360
 and their e-mail addresses.

00:32:52.360 --> 00:32:53.470
 Oh, because they're afraid of

00:32:53.470 --> 00:32:54.360
 them being stalked?

00:32:54.360 --> 00:32:56.360
 They are being stalked.

00:32:56.360 --> 00:32:57.360
 Whoa, you're kidding.

00:32:57.360 --> 00:32:59.360
 Yeah, and no, I'm not kidding.

00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:01.840
 This is actually, you know, it

00:33:01.840 --> 00:33:04.440
 is more to it than just they're

00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.300
 being stalked, because that

00:33:06.300 --> 00:33:08.360
 also affects the blogosphere.

00:33:08.360 --> 00:33:09.740
 I mean, you know, people will

00:33:09.740 --> 00:33:11.670
 not have blogs, or if they have

00:33:11.670 --> 00:33:13.390
 blogs, there are certain things

00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:14.610
 they can't talk about or else

00:33:14.610 --> 00:33:15.940
 they'll be found, and they're

00:33:15.940 --> 00:33:17.360
 hiding, you know?

00:33:17.360 --> 00:33:18.640
 And they're not guilty of

00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:19.360
 anything.

00:33:19.360 --> 00:33:22.200
 That's, but is this particular

00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.360
 to Seattle, or is it?

00:33:24.360 --> 00:33:25.760
 I don't know, but I've only

00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:27.280
 seen, I don't know, but I've

00:33:27.280 --> 00:33:28.830
 only, it's only just tripped

00:33:28.830 --> 00:33:29.360
 over.

00:33:29.360 --> 00:33:30.440
 I mean, I don't want to, like,

00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:31.620
 give too much away here, but

00:33:31.620 --> 00:33:33.780
 somebody had their last name

00:33:33.780 --> 00:33:35.990
 appear somewhere, and she was

00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:37.360
 very upset about it.

00:33:37.360 --> 00:33:39.140
 And that was what one of my

00:33:39.140 --> 00:33:41.400
 calls was about in between, and

00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.680
, you know, so, there's been a

00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.340
 lot of, I mean, we've been

00:33:45.340 --> 00:33:46.830
 having glitches, people at home

00:33:46.830 --> 00:33:47.360
 should know.

00:33:47.360 --> 00:33:48.900
 We've been having glitches here

00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:49.360
, so.

00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:50.360
 Yeah.

00:33:50.360 --> 00:33:51.790
 What was the last glitch about,

00:33:51.790 --> 00:33:52.360
 you know?

00:33:52.360 --> 00:33:53.360
 I have no idea.

00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:55.220
 I was smart enough to record an

00:33:55.220 --> 00:33:57.320
 AIFF, which basically it writes

00:33:57.320 --> 00:33:59.790
 it to the file, and, you know,

00:33:59.790 --> 00:34:01.760
 a nuke can go off, and whatever

00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:02.750
 is there is there, and you can

00:34:02.750 --> 00:34:03.360
 still play it.

00:34:03.360 --> 00:34:05.470
 I think the earlier glitch

00:34:05.470 --> 00:34:08.060
 might have, there's two things

00:34:08.060 --> 00:34:09.360
 that I found.

00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.110
 One is I accidentally had

00:34:12.110 --> 00:34:15.130
 kicked the adapter to the

00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:18.360
 laptop out of the wall socket,

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.000
 so it was probably running on a

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.850
 lower processor speed trying to

00:34:21.850 --> 00:34:23.360
 conserve battery power.

00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.360
 That's probably a big one.

00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.860
 Oh, that old problem, that

00:34:26.860 --> 00:34:28.360
 happened to me all the time.

00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.660
 Windows has this basic problem,

00:34:31.660 --> 00:34:33.360
 same problem.

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.090
 Here's a problem you don't have

00:34:35.090 --> 00:34:35.360
.

00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.430
 I checked Christina's computer,

00:34:38.430 --> 00:34:41.360
 and she was running LimeWire.

00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:43.360
 Oh, my God.

00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:44.770
 So that's where the bandwidth

00:34:44.770 --> 00:34:45.360
 is going.

00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.360
 Yep.

00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.630
 She's got her own little ISP

00:34:49.630 --> 00:34:50.360
 here.

00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.660
 Yeah, M&M down loads across the

00:34:52.660 --> 00:34:54.360
 world, worldwide.

00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:55.360
 It's Good Charlotte, man.

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:56.360
 That's what it's about.

00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:57.360
 Good Charlotte.

00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.360
 Oh, sorry, Good Charlotte.

00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.360
 But they'll do I know about it.

00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.990
 If you live with me, you know a

00:35:01.990 --> 00:35:03.360
 hell of a lot about it.

00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.360
 I guess, yeah.

00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.790
 We could be thankful for little

00:35:07.790 --> 00:35:09.360
 things, I guess.

00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.360
 Anyway, so what else is okay?

00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.210
 Well, we were talking about how

00:35:16.210 --> 00:35:19.730
 not to get all wrapped up in

00:35:19.730 --> 00:35:20.360
 development.

00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:22.270
 In development conversation

00:35:22.270 --> 00:35:24.240
 about stuff that she just maybe

00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:25.360
 shouldn't be.

00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.530
 Well, you don't have to get

00:35:27.530 --> 00:35:29.750
 engaged in all the crap that

00:35:29.750 --> 00:35:30.360
 goes on.

00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:31.360
 No.

00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.220
 There will be probably more as

00:35:33.220 --> 00:35:34.360
 you go forward.

00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.100
 There'll be more, which is, you

00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:38.560
 know, but it's been remarkably

00:35:38.560 --> 00:35:39.360
 successful.

00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.100
 Your, you know, your evangelism

00:35:41.100 --> 00:35:42.360
 has been very effective.

00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.020
 And God, there's so much

00:35:45.020 --> 00:35:46.360
 content.

00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:47.360
 I can't keep up with it.

00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.360
 And what's crazy is, you know,

00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.360
 I went the last yard and then

00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.130
 actually, I think I looked at

00:35:53.130 --> 00:35:53.360
 that.

00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:54.410
 You know, your virtual

00:35:54.410 --> 00:35:55.360
 bandwidth piece.

00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:56.930
 And the only mistake I made,

00:35:56.930 --> 00:35:58.640
 because we've been doing, we've

00:35:58.640 --> 00:35:59.840
 been, I've been at this for

00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:01.360
 what, four or five years.

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:02.360
 Yeah.

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.280
 And the only mistake I made is

00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.200
 I was concentrating on video

00:36:06.200 --> 00:36:08.130
 and the machines aren't ready

00:36:08.130 --> 00:36:08.360
 for it.

00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:09.360
 We don't have the horsepower.

00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:10.360
 We don't have the bandwidth.

00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:12.360
 We don't have the disk space.

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.860
 You know, just it's too early

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:15.360
 for anything of any scale.

00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:16.870
 And just, and even now with

00:36:16.870 --> 00:36:18.920
 audio, we're just on the edge

00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.360
 of being able to do this stuff.

00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.960
 It also reaffirmation of the P

00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.670
ied Piper theory of evangelism

00:36:26.670 --> 00:36:29.360
 is that you can't get anywhere

00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:30.360
 by asking other people to do it

00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:30.360
.

00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:31.360
 You have to do it yourself.

00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:32.360
 Yeah.

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.380
 And then they'll, you know, as,

00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:36.140
 and then they'll do what you do

00:36:36.140 --> 00:36:36.360
.

00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.150
 And if it's any good, I mean,

00:36:39.150 --> 00:36:40.360
 if it's fun.

00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:41.360
 Yeah.

00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.230
 If I had known that, if I, if I

00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:45.040
 had known, I would have done

00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:46.360
 that so long ago.

00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:47.570
 Well, you know, you live in,

00:36:47.570 --> 00:36:48.360
 you know, fine.

00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:49.360
 Of course.

00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.360
 Yeah.

00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:51.170
 But you're, but it's happening

00:36:51.170 --> 00:36:51.360
 now.

00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.360
 So that's good.

00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:53.850
 I mean, there were all these

00:36:53.850 --> 00:36:55.340
 times like I did it with Chris

00:36:55.340 --> 00:36:56.360
 Leiden, right?

00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.120
 Last year and, you know, it was

00:36:59.120 --> 00:37:01.360
 closed, but no cigar.

00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.840
 It did not generate a lot of

00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:04.360
 other people doing it.

00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:05.360
 What went wrong there?

00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.360
 Because the setup was good.

00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.050
 You had a professional radio

00:37:09.050 --> 00:37:09.360
 guy.

00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.360
 Nothing went wrong.

00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:11.360
 The stuff was great.

00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.920
 I mean, you know, it's hard to

00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:14.240
 say that that was a failure

00:37:14.240 --> 00:37:15.360
 because it wasn't.

00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:17.790
 There was a lot, it's to this

00:37:17.790 --> 00:37:20.720
 day, I think those are seminal,

00:37:20.720 --> 00:37:23.360
 you know, sort of snapshots

00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:24.980
 in time of the development of

00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:26.360
 the blogging world.

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:27.360
 Where did it break down?

00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:28.360
 Why did he stop?

00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:29.800
 Because I'm still subscribed to

00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.010
 his feed in the hope that one

00:37:31.010 --> 00:37:31.360
 day, actually during the,

00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.250
 the DNC, two interviews came in

00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:35.360
 to.

00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:36.820
 Yeah, but they really, I only

00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:38.360
 heard the William Buckley one.

00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:39.360
 Yes, I'm sorry.

00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.360
 It was William Buckley.

00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:41.360
 Yeah, you're right.

00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.360
 It was only one.

00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:43.360
 Yeah, you're right.

00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:44.360
 It was a crappy interview.

00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:45.360
 It was a horrible interview.

00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:46.360
 He was feeling drunk.

00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.150
 Do you know, do you know that

00:37:48.150 --> 00:37:50.020
 my cousin, my first cousin is

00:37:50.020 --> 00:37:52.360
 married to Christopher Buckley?

00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.110
 No, I didn't know that, but I

00:37:54.110 --> 00:37:55.780
 thought William Buckley was

00:37:55.780 --> 00:37:56.360
 great.

00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:57.360
 He was awesome.

00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:58.360
 He was drunk.

00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.250
 I thought, yeah, Chris Leiden

00:38:00.250 --> 00:38:02.140
 was Adam's, what were you doing

00:38:02.140 --> 00:38:02.360
?

00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:04.390
 It sounded like Chris Leiden

00:38:04.390 --> 00:38:06.410
 had a pet theory and he wanted

00:38:06.410 --> 00:38:08.360
 William Buckley to sort of go

00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.410
 off on, you know, but yet I don

00:38:10.410 --> 00:38:11.360
't remember.

00:38:11.360 --> 00:38:12.360
 What was it?

00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.360
 I did some sort of aristocracy

00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.440
 of the Republican party and the

00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.360
 big turns running the world.

00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:19.820
 And you know, that kind of

00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:20.360
 thing.

00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.360
 Oh, yeah, who gives a shit?

00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:24.650
 I mean, I don't know what

00:38:24.650 --> 00:38:25.360
 happened.

00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:26.840
 I mean, I think that Chris

00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:28.360
 would be the guy to talk to,

00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:29.360
 but maybe we should get Chris

00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:29.360
 on

00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.360
 here one time and ask him.

00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:33.010
 I mean, you know, it's the

00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:34.890
 thing somebody was, somebody

00:38:34.890 --> 00:38:36.860
 once said about Chris, I don't

00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:37.000
 want

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.130
 to go like too deep into this,

00:38:39.130 --> 00:38:40.760
 but he's good at it.

00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.080
 He never helps people on their

00:38:43.080 --> 00:38:43.760
 way up.

00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.260
 And so the people that he

00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:49.470
 brought in to the conversation

00:38:49.470 --> 00:38:52.760
 were his regulars from his hard

00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:53.760
 days.

00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.860
 And, you know, once you've run

00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:57.980
 through all the regulars, then

00:38:57.980 --> 00:38:59.640
 well, where do you go?

00:38:59.640 --> 00:39:00.640
 And there was plenty.

00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:01.750
 There was also all the people

00:39:01.750 --> 00:39:03.040
 he brought in from the Fisher.

00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:05.220
 I mean, he interviewed Glenn

00:39:05.220 --> 00:39:06.760
 Reynolds at Pone.

00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.760
 Any of you?

00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.760
 Yeah.

00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:13.760
 And I really know.

00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.600
 I mean, the thing was, is that

00:39:15.600 --> 00:39:17.510
 it wasn't like a community,

00:39:17.510 --> 00:39:18.760
 like what you're doing is

00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:18.760
 different

00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.370
 because you have made it about

00:39:21.370 --> 00:39:22.760
 technology.

00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.020
 And, you know, because, and

00:39:25.020 --> 00:39:27.220
 that's realistic because the

00:39:27.220 --> 00:39:29.680
 barriers right now are

00:39:29.680 --> 00:39:30.760
 technological,

00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.760
 right?

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.050
 But the opportunity is not

00:39:34.050 --> 00:39:35.760
 technological.

00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:36.760
 That's where it gets tricky.

00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:38.920
 And then first we have to crack

00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.030
 the nut technologically and

00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.210
 then pass it off because, you

00:39:43.210 --> 00:39:43.760
 know, it's

00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.650
 going to, I mean, ideally I

00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:49.190
 want a device that is perfect

00:39:49.190 --> 00:39:51.760
 at every aspect of what we're

00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:52.760
 doing right now.

00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:54.530
 It needs to have a microphone,

00:39:54.530 --> 00:39:56.110
 it needs to be very portable so

00:39:56.110 --> 00:39:57.280
 that I don't have to

00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.150
 plan in advance, but it's very

00:39:59.150 --> 00:40:00.960
 likely to be with me wherever I

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.750
 am when I want to say something

00:40:02.750 --> 00:40:02.760
,

00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:04.690
 you know, in this mode, in this

00:40:04.690 --> 00:40:05.760
 environment.

00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.600
 And it has to know it's going

00:40:07.600 --> 00:40:09.360
 to be very well and it has to

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.760
 do what we're trying to do

00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:10.760
 right

00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.450
 now with, I mean, we're hitting

00:40:12.450 --> 00:40:13.760
 glitches again, right?

00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.380
 I mean, this is this process of

00:40:15.380 --> 00:40:16.890
 wiring together, of mixing

00:40:16.890 --> 00:40:18.480
 together two microphones that

00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:18.760
 are

00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.250
 on two different continents,

00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:20.760
 right?

00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:21.760
 Yeah.

00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.810
 That means we need to convene

00:40:23.810 --> 00:40:26.050
 some really serious engineers

00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:27.760
 that know a technology that

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.760
 neither you or I know.

00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.480
 I mean, we're not, I'm not a

00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.350
 voice over IP guy would have to

00:40:33.350 --> 00:40:34.760
 be here, you know.

00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:35.760
 Yeah.

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.760
 But he really understands that.

00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.700
 Yeah, I think really the big

00:40:39.700 --> 00:40:41.720
 problem is we're just running

00:40:41.720 --> 00:40:43.760
 into performance issues.

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:45.760
 Well, here's another one for

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:46.760
 you, okay?

00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.820
 Why can't you buy a mixer for

00:40:48.820 --> 00:40:50.760
 your PC or for your Mac?

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.700
 Well, you know, a regular audio

00:40:52.700 --> 00:40:53.760
 mixer that has an action.

00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.360
 No, I mean, Dave, Dave, the

00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:56.980
 easy, there's a couple of easy

00:40:56.980 --> 00:40:57.760
 answers.

00:40:57.760 --> 00:40:59.900
 The mixer is, yeah, that's part

00:40:59.900 --> 00:41:01.880
 of the answer, but it's really

00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:03.760
 the fact that I'm recording

00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:04.890
 to the same machine I'm doing

00:41:04.890 --> 00:41:05.760
 all this stuff on.

00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:06.930
 And that's just because it's

00:41:06.930 --> 00:41:07.760
 the blogger way.

00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.070
 I could go out and I could

00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:11.090
 easily spend $20,000 on

00:41:11.090 --> 00:41:12.760
 equipment and have it working

00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:13.760
 perfectly.

00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:14.960
 But, you know, then I think we

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:16.190
're missing out on a tremendous

00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:18.040
 opportunity because I've

00:41:18.040 --> 00:41:19.760
 already got the product manager

00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:20.960
 of Audio Hijack Pro email, I

00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.370
 mean, saying, hey, shit, you

00:41:22.370 --> 00:41:24.190
 know, just tell us what do you

00:41:24.190 --> 00:41:24.760
 need?

00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:26.290
 What do you need for us to

00:41:26.290 --> 00:41:26.760
 change?

00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.330
 No, you're right not to give

00:41:28.330 --> 00:41:29.760
 into that temptation.

00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.710
 I mean, you know, then you have

00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:33.750
 a compost, absolutely nothing

00:41:33.750 --> 00:41:35.760
 if all that can happen here

00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.990
 is you get to have a radio show

00:41:36.990 --> 00:41:38.330
 and invite only your friends to

00:41:38.330 --> 00:41:38.760
 produce.

00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.230
 That's not much of a medium,

00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:40.760
 right?

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.760
 Yeah, unless you have a show.

00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:43.840
 Yeah, unless everybody has $20,

00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:44.760
000, you can't do it.

00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:46.250
 You know, that doesn't make any

00:41:46.250 --> 00:41:46.760
 sense.

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:47.680
 And there's no need for it to

00:41:47.680 --> 00:41:48.760
 cost $20,000.

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:49.760
 That's ridiculous.

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.840
 I mean, basically an iPod,

00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.760
 merge an iPod in the mixer,

00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:53.760
 right?

00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.680
 And I think you're a long way

00:41:55.680 --> 00:41:56.760
 towards it.

00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:58.170
 You know, in other words,

00:41:58.170 --> 00:42:00.040
 instead of one microphone jack,

00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:02.830
 give me, you know, 10

00:42:02.830 --> 00:42:03.760
 microphone jacks,

00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.710
 10 mini plugs, and each one of

00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:07.300
 them has a switch which can be

00:42:07.300 --> 00:42:08.760
 software if they want,

00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.950
 that allows it to control the

00:42:10.950 --> 00:42:13.220
 expected impedance, you know,

00:42:13.220 --> 00:42:14.760
 so that I can plug in different

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.760
 kinds of audio sources.

00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.370
 And then, I mean, why can't my

00:42:20.370 --> 00:42:23.840
 laptop have five audio input

00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:24.760
 and five...

00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:25.760
 Of course it can.

00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:26.760
 Of course it can.

00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:27.760
 Right.

00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.370
 Yeah, just no one's asked for

00:42:29.370 --> 00:42:30.760
 it properly, I guess.

00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.230
 Well, you know, this has been a

00:42:33.230 --> 00:42:35.860
 perennial problem when we

00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:39.760
 wanted to work with Kobalt,

00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.760
 which had a really great...

00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.160
 I mean, it was their server,

00:42:44.160 --> 00:42:45.760
 the Kobalt Cube.

00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:46.760
 Sure, yeah.

00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.190
 That was part of spiritual, you

00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:51.160
 know, we were on the same wave,

00:42:51.160 --> 00:42:51.760
 right?

00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:53.230
 But the problem with most

00:42:53.230 --> 00:42:55.290
 technology companies, and this

00:42:55.290 --> 00:42:56.760
 is what we have to watch for,

00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:58.320
 find one that isn't like this,

00:42:58.320 --> 00:42:59.760
 then let's work with them,

00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.560
 is that most technology

00:43:01.560 --> 00:43:03.450
 companies have a very low

00:43:03.450 --> 00:43:04.760
 opinion of users.

00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.520
 And so, you know, when we

00:43:06.520 --> 00:43:08.270
 contacted them, they had to put

00:43:08.270 --> 00:43:08.760
 us in a box.

00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:10.660
 Either we were competitors or

00:43:10.660 --> 00:43:11.760
 we were users.

00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.440
 In either case, they didn't

00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.760
 want to work with us, you know.

00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.210
 If we're users, well, you know,

00:43:17.210 --> 00:43:18.470
 if you check out our latest

00:43:18.470 --> 00:43:19.540
 product and we're working on

00:43:19.540 --> 00:43:19.760
 this and that,

00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:21.150
 you know, you'll love it when

00:43:21.150 --> 00:43:22.980
 you see it, but frankly, we don

00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:24.760
't care what you want, right?

00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:26.510
 And if you're competitors, I

00:43:26.510 --> 00:43:28.120
 would give you more to stand

00:43:28.120 --> 00:43:28.760
 for you.

00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:29.760
 But we were neither.

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.200
 We were developers, like very

00:43:31.200 --> 00:43:32.520
 much like the iPod stuff that

00:43:32.520 --> 00:43:34.250
 you're doing right now, iPod or

00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:34.760
 stuff.

00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.830
 And if somebody wants to, I

00:43:37.830 --> 00:43:39.630
 mean, I offered to work with

00:43:39.630 --> 00:43:40.760
 Sun on this basis,

00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:42.410
 but what we need is we need to

00:43:42.410 --> 00:43:44.050
 have somebody who joins our

00:43:44.050 --> 00:43:44.760
 community,

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.260
 who doesn't throw their weight

00:43:46.260 --> 00:43:47.320
 around, who does a lot of

00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:47.760
 listening,

00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.010
 and then puzzles it out with us

00:43:50.010 --> 00:43:51.760
 when at the time when, you know

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:51.760
, it says,

00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:53.460
 "Okay, I think we understand

00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:55.330
 what the needs are now, and we

00:43:55.330 --> 00:43:57.380
'll just actually do it for you

00:43:57.380 --> 00:43:57.760
."

00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.080
 And it's funny, I had an

00:43:59.080 --> 00:44:00.920
 interesting conversation with

00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:01.760
 Dave Luberts.

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:03.160
 Basically, we seem to be

00:44:03.160 --> 00:44:04.440
 getting a development

00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.140
 organization together about

00:44:06.140 --> 00:44:06.760
 Frontier.

00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.090
 And I hope that we're going to

00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:11.070
 at least try to solve some of

00:44:11.070 --> 00:44:11.760
 these problems

00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.190
 from a commercial development

00:44:13.190 --> 00:44:13.760
 standpoint,

00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:15.710
 because we've actually got a

00:44:15.710 --> 00:44:17.560
 few commercial developers

00:44:17.560 --> 00:44:18.760
 floating around.

00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.680
 And I was explaining to Dave

00:44:21.680 --> 00:44:23.760
 what's needed here,

00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.520
 and Dave worked on the Word

00:44:25.520 --> 00:44:27.320
 team at Microsoft going back to

00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:29.350
, I think, like Word 1 in the '

00:44:29.350 --> 00:44:29.760
80s,

00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.760
 and stayed through like Word 5.

00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.800
 And you know, while Word gets a

00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.370
 lot of people, you know, sort

00:44:35.370 --> 00:44:36.590
 of snickering when you say Word

00:44:36.590 --> 00:44:36.760
,

00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:38.970
 well, you know, it actually was

00:44:38.970 --> 00:44:40.760
 productized a lot of times,

00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.730
 and there was a lot of good

00:44:42.730 --> 00:44:44.760
 work that went into it.

00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.830
 And, you know, it's now the

00:44:46.830 --> 00:44:48.760
 dominant word processor.

00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:49.660
 You don't get to be the

00:44:49.660 --> 00:44:50.910
 dominant word processor by

00:44:50.910 --> 00:44:51.760
 being slouches.

00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:52.760
 They were good.

00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.310
 And so when we talked about

00:44:54.310 --> 00:44:55.540
 this, there was a lot of nod

00:44:55.540 --> 00:44:57.760
ding and a lot of understanding,

00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.730
 and just having somebody to

00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:01.630
 work with to brainstorm at that

00:45:01.630 --> 00:45:02.760
 level is good.

00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.940
 And, you know, and so the idea,

00:45:05.940 --> 00:45:07.760
 which you keep harping on,

00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.010
 you're absolutely right to do

00:45:10.010 --> 00:45:11.840
 so is that the installation

00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.760
 experience has to be smooth.

00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:14.950
 It has to feel like you're

00:45:14.950 --> 00:45:16.210
 installing a real piece of

00:45:16.210 --> 00:45:16.760
 software.

00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.680
 And of course, after that, you

00:45:18.680 --> 00:45:19.840
 have to not even have to

00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:20.760
 install it.

00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.390
 It has to be a device that you

00:45:23.390 --> 00:45:25.310
 get that connects up to your

00:45:25.310 --> 00:45:26.760
 laptop in some meaningful way

00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.060
 that comes pre-configured

00:45:28.060 --> 00:45:29.340
 because you didn't have to

00:45:29.340 --> 00:45:30.760
 install your iPod at them.

00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.760
 No, no, exactly.

00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.760
 Oh, yeah, just out of the box.

00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:35.760
 Yep.

00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.620
 And so, you know, it's also

00:45:37.620 --> 00:45:39.760
 going to be like a cell phone.

00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:41.820
 I think cell phone has a lot of

00:45:41.820 --> 00:45:44.130
 the features that this device

00:45:44.130 --> 00:45:44.760
 needs.

00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:45.760
 Don't you think?

00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.810
 Well, I mean, you might as well

00:45:47.810 --> 00:45:48.760
 throw it in.

00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.580
 You know, now we're into spe

00:45:50.580 --> 00:45:52.760
cking out a device which would,

00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:54.760
 you know, be the geekazoid tool

00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:55.760
 of all.

00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:57.760
 I like the idea of...

00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.760
 But wait a minute.

00:45:58.760 --> 00:45:59.760
 Let's time out.

00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.090
 If you put a hard drive on your

00:46:01.090 --> 00:46:01.760
 cell phone, okay?

00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:02.760
 Yeah.

00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:03.760
 Your cell phone.

00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.760
 And you called me, right?

00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.760
 Yeah.

00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:07.760
 Wouldn't we be doing...

00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:08.670
 Yeah, you could record the

00:46:08.670 --> 00:46:09.760
 conversation, absolutely.

00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:11.420
 We would be doing 90% of what

00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:12.760
 we're doing right now.

00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:13.760
 Yeah.

00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:14.760
 Yeah.

00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:16.480
 But, you know, I think the big

00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.140
 advantage of what we're doing

00:46:18.140 --> 00:46:19.560
 right now, and this, you know,

00:46:19.560 --> 00:46:20.870
 also makes this type of show

00:46:20.870 --> 00:46:21.760
 possible,

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.510
 is this is not costing an arm

00:46:23.510 --> 00:46:24.790
 and a leg to set up the

00:46:24.790 --> 00:46:25.760
 conversation,

00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.760
 even though we're across nine

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:28.760
 time zones.

00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:30.810
 So the cell phone would be very

00:46:30.810 --> 00:46:31.760
 expensive, is what you're

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:31.760
 saying?

00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:33.370
 Yeah, because then you're going

00:46:33.370 --> 00:46:34.880
 to want to put Wi-Fi in there,

00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:36.200
 and, you know, if you want to

00:46:36.200 --> 00:46:37.760
 do voice over IP and otherwise.

00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:38.760
 Yeah, I think it's...

00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.870
 Of course it's a solution, but

00:46:40.870 --> 00:46:41.720
 I don't think any cell phone

00:46:41.720 --> 00:46:42.890
 manufacturer is going to say, "

00:46:42.890 --> 00:46:44.260
Oh, yeah, let's slap one of

00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:44.760
 these together."

00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.770
 And, you know, while we work on

00:46:46.770 --> 00:46:48.760
 what everyone really wants.

00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:50.230
 I like the idea that you said

00:46:50.230 --> 00:46:50.760
 the iPod.

00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.410
 Just give me 10 ins and 10 outs

00:46:53.410 --> 00:46:55.780
 and a little mixing interface,

00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:57.760
 you know, switch or whatever.

00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:58.760
 I like that.

00:46:58.760 --> 00:46:59.760
 That's a very simple one.

00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:00.760
 Well, somebody could do that.

00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:02.670
 I mean, probably somebody who's

00:47:02.670 --> 00:47:04.170
 listening to this recording

00:47:04.170 --> 00:47:05.430
 right now would know how to do

00:47:05.430 --> 00:47:05.760
 that.

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.370
 I mean, it doesn't have to be a

00:47:07.370 --> 00:47:09.050
 beautiful form factor to start

00:47:09.050 --> 00:47:09.760
 off with.

00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:11.500
 It doesn't even have to be tiny

00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:12.760
 to start off with.

00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:13.900
 It would be the size of a...it

00:47:13.900 --> 00:47:15.890
 should have a very, very ample

00:47:15.890 --> 00:47:16.760
 hard drive.

00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.020
 You know, a good 60 gigabyte

00:47:19.020 --> 00:47:20.810
 hard drive, so that you don't

00:47:20.810 --> 00:47:21.870
 run out of space very

00:47:21.870 --> 00:47:22.760
 frequently.

00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.740
 It should be a fractional

00:47:24.740 --> 00:47:27.030
 horsepower HTT server, so that

00:47:27.030 --> 00:47:28.010
 all you have to do is hook it

00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:28.760
 up to Ethernet.

00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:29.760
 Let's start right there.

00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.760
 Good idea, yeah, good idea.

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.260
 Yeah, no, that's a biggie,

00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:33.760
 right?

00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:34.760
 Optional Wi-Fi.

00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:36.760
 Well...

00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.760
 Now, you want...

00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:39.940
 I don't know about things that

00:47:39.940 --> 00:47:40.760
 we could give on.

00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:42.820
 I mean, I don't mind if it has

00:47:42.820 --> 00:47:44.760
 an Ethernet jack on it.

00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.760
 That's optional Wi-Fi.

00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:47.760
 Okay.

00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:48.760
 I mean, yeah.

00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.760
 Okay, maybe only Wi-Fi.

00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:53.760
 That's probably better.

00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:54.760
 Yeah.

00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:55.760
 That's probably better.

00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:57.760
 I mean, these days...

00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:58.940
 And you also want it to have a

00:47:58.940 --> 00:47:59.760
 number of outs.

00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:00.460
 You know, you should be able to

00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:01.760
...here you go.

00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:03.710
 This thing should be able to

00:48:03.710 --> 00:48:05.490
 record a number of sources

00:48:05.490 --> 00:48:06.760
 simultaneously,

00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.840
 or you should be able to...you

00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:09.510
 know, when you dock it to your

00:48:09.510 --> 00:48:11.230
 computer, then it becomes a

00:48:11.230 --> 00:48:12.760
 router of audio.

00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:14.900
 So therefore, you don't...you

00:48:14.900 --> 00:48:16.030
 know, then it's making sure

00:48:16.030 --> 00:48:18.380
 that you can send audio to one

00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:20.350
 application and record the

00:48:20.350 --> 00:48:20.760
 other.

00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.170
 You know, so then it's kind of

00:48:22.170 --> 00:48:23.310
 like this breakout box that I

00:48:23.310 --> 00:48:23.760
 have.

00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.120
 It becomes a...you know, it's

00:48:26.120 --> 00:48:26.760
 basically a hardware device

00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:28.080
 that adds that capability to

00:48:28.080 --> 00:48:28.760
 your computer.

00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.520
 So you can do a scaled-down

00:48:30.520 --> 00:48:32.370
 version while you're on the

00:48:32.370 --> 00:48:32.760
 road,

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:33.860
 which could also include ho

00:48:33.860 --> 00:48:36.130
oking up, you know, guitars and

00:48:36.130 --> 00:48:38.760
 microphones, etc.

00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:40.140
 Or, you know, just mics to just

00:48:40.140 --> 00:48:40.920
 sit down and have a

00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:41.760
 conversation.

00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.140
 Maybe you can mix in a tune

00:48:43.140 --> 00:48:44.760
 from your playlist there.

00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.760
 But yeah, I mean, totally.

00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.110
 And I think that's just a mod

00:48:49.110 --> 00:48:49.760
 pod.

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:50.760
 A mod pod.

00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:51.760
 What mod?

00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:52.760
 What does mod mean?

00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:53.760
 It's modification.

00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.760
 Someone's going to modify it.

00:48:55.760 --> 00:48:56.760
 I think...

00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:58.760
 So is mixer the right idea?

00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.760
 I mean, it's that...

00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.470
 You have to be able to turn the

00:49:02.470 --> 00:49:03.760
 sources on or off.

00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:04.760
 Right.

00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:06.430
 And control the gain on each of

00:49:06.430 --> 00:49:07.760
 them, too, right?

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:08.760
 Exactly.

00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.090
 And you have to be able to

00:49:10.090 --> 00:49:11.510
 choose the kind of device you

00:49:11.510 --> 00:49:12.760
're going to plug in.

00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.920
 A microphone has a different

00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.260
 profile than a cassette player

00:49:17.260 --> 00:49:18.760
 has, than a CD player has.

00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:20.760
 Apple has all this technology.

00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:21.760
 I mean, they...

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.730
 I sit here and I've mainly

00:49:23.730 --> 00:49:25.760
 worked with Final Cut Pro.

00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:27.760
 We did our reality TV show.

00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.050
 But I've been in enough audio

00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:31.760
 studios and the guys at Apple,

00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:32.760
 man,

00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.760
 they know what they're doing.

00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:35.770
 Every single time you think,

00:49:35.770 --> 00:49:37.400
 you know, "Oh, if only I could

00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:38.760
 do this, it's there."

00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.520
 And it may be too early for it

00:49:40.520 --> 00:49:42.000
 to work well yet, but they're

00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:42.760
 definitely smoking something.

00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.070
 But as you've pointed out so

00:49:44.070 --> 00:49:45.310
 many times, as you pointed out

00:49:45.310 --> 00:49:45.760
 so many times,

00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.710
 they aren't thinking about this

00:49:47.710 --> 00:49:48.760
 application.

00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.190
 The one we're doing right now

00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:50.760
...

00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:51.760
 No, they're not.

00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:52.820
 You know, where was it I read

00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:53.760
 the thing you pointed to?

00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:54.760
 My MP3.

00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:56.760
 I thought that was beautiful.

00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:57.760
 What was that?

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:58.760
 It was...you pointed to it.

00:49:58.760 --> 00:49:59.760
 There was this article.

00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.760
 Oh, I want my MP3.

00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:03.760
 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:04.920
 I want my MP3, you know, like

00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:05.760
 Dr. Straits' song, right?

00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.490
 I mean, you know, I want my MP3

00:50:07.490 --> 00:50:07.760
.

00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:09.970
 And he was saying, you know, "

00:50:09.970 --> 00:50:14.110
Flash, you can do voice with MP3

00:50:14.110 --> 00:50:14.760
."

00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:16.630
 Now, to us, that no longer

00:50:16.630 --> 00:50:18.760
 seems like a big revelation,

00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:19.760
 right?

00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.760
 Right.

00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.760
 But to everyone else...

00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.320
 Yeah, to Rio, to Microsoft, to

00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:25.760
 Apple, they're all thinking

00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:26.760
 that's great.

00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:27.760
 Yeah, they're not thinking...

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:27.760
the music business.

00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.210
 Now, and you've also wavered a

00:50:29.210 --> 00:50:30.760
 little bit on whether or not

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:31.760
 you have to assist on MP3.

00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.090
 I want you to really...I mean,

00:50:34.090 --> 00:50:35.760
 we have to have MP3 because...

00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.790
 No, no, no, no, I recently...I

00:50:37.790 --> 00:50:38.760
 thought I made it very clear.

00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.380
 It's like, I'm sticking with MP

00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:40.760
3.

00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.080
 Let me just say, here's why,

00:50:43.080 --> 00:50:43.760
 okay?

00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.760
 Because MP3 imparts users.

00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:46.760
 We have choice.

00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:48.840
 With MP3, we can put it

00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.760
 wherever we want to.

00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.530
 With any other format, you know

00:50:53.530 --> 00:50:54.360
, like the one whatever it is

00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:56.430
 they're using, we're audible.

00:50:56.430 --> 00:50:56.760
com.

00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:58.890
 I'm getting a call, but I'm

00:50:58.890 --> 00:51:00.760
 going to let it ring.

00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:02.190
 Whatever we're using, I think

00:51:02.190 --> 00:51:03.570
 that's Apple's proprietary

00:51:03.570 --> 00:51:04.760
 format or whatever.

00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:06.760
 Now, we're using MP3.

00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.760
 We have no control over that.

00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:10.670
 So, there's no give on that one

00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:10.760
.

00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:12.130
 Anybody comes to us and says, "

00:51:12.130 --> 00:51:13.560
Well, you can have what you want

00:51:13.560 --> 00:51:15.760
, but it's not MP3."

00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.320
 There's the door right over the

00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:17.760
 door.

00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:19.760
 I hear by solemnly swear.

00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:20.630
 Everybody raise your right hand

00:51:20.630 --> 00:51:20.760
.

00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.760
 Put your hand on the iPod.

00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.760
 Put your left hand on the iPod.

00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.760
 And say, "We will protect MP3."

00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.760
 MP3, I want my MP3.

00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:31.760
 That's great, isn't it?

00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:33.760
 It is good.

00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.510
 We've got to get Knopfler to

00:51:35.510 --> 00:51:36.760
 sing that for us.

00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:38.720
 Oh, man. And you know he'd be

00:51:38.720 --> 00:51:39.760
 totally into it.

00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:40.760
 I don't know.

00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.760
 That was Sting's thing.

00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:44.760
 No, no, no. That was Sting.

00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.760
 What?

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:46.760
 Sting. Sting's thing.

00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:47.760
 Oh, you're right.

00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:48.760
 Yeah.

00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:49.760
 He's a dick.

00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:51.760
 We don't want to ask him.

00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:52.960
 He doesn't want us to have our

00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:53.760
 MP3, right?

00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:54.480
 Let me tell you about Sting's

00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:54.760
 story.

00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.380
 I've got two Sting stories for

00:51:56.380 --> 00:51:56.760
 you.

00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:57.530
 I believe you totally, by the

00:51:57.530 --> 00:51:57.760
 way.

00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:58.760
 Yeah, so...

00:51:58.760 --> 00:51:59.760
 He's a dick.

00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.740
 The first one is he was into

00:52:00.740 --> 00:52:02.010
 all this rain forest shit and

00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:03.760
 people with big plates in their

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:03.760
 lips.

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:04.760
 Beautiful.

00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:05.760
 Beautiful world music Sting.

00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:06.760
 Love it.

00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.140
 And so my daughter, with her

00:52:09.140 --> 00:52:11.270
 fourth grade class, they did

00:52:11.270 --> 00:52:12.760
 this whole rain forest hoohow.

00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.900
 My daughter actually did a rain

00:52:14.900 --> 00:52:16.760
 forest project on a weblog.

00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:18.820
 And so they had all these

00:52:18.820 --> 00:52:21.200
 drawings and printouts and

00:52:21.200 --> 00:52:21.760
 stuff.

00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:23.910
 And I knew his management

00:52:23.910 --> 00:52:24.760
 really well.

00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.130
 And I said, "Well, I'll tell

00:52:26.130 --> 00:52:26.760
 you what.

00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.360
 I'm going to have this sent to

00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:29.740
 Sting and I'll ask him to write

00:52:29.740 --> 00:52:30.760
 you guys a note back."

00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:32.220
 And the manager said, "Yeah, no

00:52:32.220 --> 00:52:32.760
 problem.

00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:33.760
 We'll take care of that."

00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.760
 And he never did it.

00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.500
 He was talking stiff to some

00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.760
 fourth graders.

00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.760
 It was horrible.

00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.760
 Really?

00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.430
 And then I was visiting a house

00:52:45.430 --> 00:52:47.760
 in Malibu next door to his.

00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.740
 And we kept throwing our ball

00:52:49.740 --> 00:52:50.760
 in his yard.

00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:51.760
 You did?

00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.760
 Hey, Mr. Sting!

00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.600
 Mr. Sting, can we have a ball

00:52:55.600 --> 00:52:56.760
 back, please?

00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.760
 Yeah, what did he say?

00:52:58.760 --> 00:52:59.760
 He was grumpy.

00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:00.760
 He has no humor.

00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:01.760
 He has no humor.

00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:02.530
 What's his real name, by the

00:53:02.530 --> 00:53:02.760
 way?

00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:04.760
 Gordon Sumner.

00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:05.760
 Really?

00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.760
 I don't know.

00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.760
 Why does he call himself Sting?

00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.090
 Because, and by the way, he was

00:53:11.090 --> 00:53:12.760
 a teacher for Christ's sakes.

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.780
 Because he used to wear the

00:53:14.780 --> 00:53:16.760
 yellow and black T-shirt.

00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:18.140
 Remember when he was in the

00:53:18.140 --> 00:53:18.760
 police?

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.760
 Remember that?

00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.380
 Yeah, I love the police, by the

00:53:22.380 --> 00:53:22.760
 way.

00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.610
 I should say I love Sting's

00:53:24.610 --> 00:53:25.760
 music, too.

00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.510
 But if he's a dick, he's a dick

00:53:27.510 --> 00:53:27.760
.

00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:28.760
 What are you going to do?

00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:29.760
 Yeah, hold on.

00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:30.760
 Let's see.

00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:31.510
 Maybe we can play something by

00:53:31.510 --> 00:53:31.760
 Sting.

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:32.480
 By the way, they have a great

00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:32.760
...

00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:34.400
 I've got to say this, Speaking

00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:35.760
 of Dickheads, right?

00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.770
 They have this wonderful,

00:53:37.770 --> 00:53:40.760
 wonderful ad for George Bush.

00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:41.760
 For what?

00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:42.760
 For George Bush.

00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.190
 I said I'm Speaking of Dick

00:53:44.190 --> 00:53:44.760
heads.

00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:45.760
 Gotcha.

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.500
 And it's John Kerry on a wind

00:53:48.500 --> 00:53:51.760
 sale, you know, flip-flop.

00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.540
 It is the funniest thing you've

00:53:54.540 --> 00:53:55.760
 ever seen.

00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:57.410
 So, you know, what I would love

00:53:57.410 --> 00:53:59.550
 to say to George W. Bush right

00:53:59.550 --> 00:54:00.760
 now is, thanks a lot.

00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:01.760
 I love a good laugh.

00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:03.940
 I'm still voting for Kerry and

00:54:03.940 --> 00:54:04.760
 fuck you.

00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:06.810
 I mean, it's like, you know, I

00:54:06.810 --> 00:54:08.140
 mean, and by the way, they're

00:54:08.140 --> 00:54:08.760
 doing this in a big favor

00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.590
 because when Kerry is president

00:54:10.590 --> 00:54:11.390
, we're going to know how to

00:54:11.390 --> 00:54:11.760
 give him shit.

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:12.760
 Oh, yeah.

00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:13.350
 Because they're teaching us how

00:54:13.350 --> 00:54:13.760
 to do it, right?

00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.760
 Oh, yeah.

00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:15.800
 And don't ever think that that

00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:16.760
's going to be a love affair

00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:17.760
 because it's not.

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:19.860
 But we'll be very happy to give

00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:20.760
 him shit.

00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:21.760
 For sure.

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.970
 And I'll be able to say, George

00:54:24.970 --> 00:54:26.970
 Bush, you are the best fucking

00:54:26.970 --> 00:54:28.760
 ex-president I have ever

00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:29.760
 seen.

00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.720
 I'm going to play a song of the

00:54:33.720 --> 00:54:34.760
 day.

00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.680
 I just decided it's going to be

00:54:36.680 --> 00:54:37.760
 one by Sting.

00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.760
 Hold on a second.

00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:42.010
 I'm going to turn it on so that

00:54:42.010 --> 00:54:43.270
 you can hear it, but you need

00:54:43.270 --> 00:54:43.760
 to mute.

00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:45.760
 Can you mute your microphone or

00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:46.760
 something?

00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:48.760
 I can just pull it out.

00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:49.770
 Oh, that's going to sound

00:54:49.770 --> 00:54:50.760
 really professional.

00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:51.760
 No, I won't pull it out.

00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:52.760
 Hold on.

00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:53.760
 Okay.

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:55.120
 I'm going to give you a return

00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:55.760
 line now.

00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:56.830
 So you're probably going to

00:54:56.830 --> 00:54:57.760
 hear a bit of an echo.

00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:58.760
 All right.

00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:00.760
 Here we go.

00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.600
 This is a remix, is a JPL remix

00:55:04.600 --> 00:55:07.760
 of Sting's Russians.

00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.230
 And Dave and I will be right

00:55:09.230 --> 00:55:09.760
 back.

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 Whatcha know as nobody wicked

00:58:07.080 --> 00:58:08.400
 is this a red and rap pages,

00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:10.380
 they refer to me as salt, yeah,

00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:11.940
 more like micro salt.

00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:20.890
. He shared the same biology

00:58:20.890 --> 00:58:30.540
 regardless the ideology. One

00:58:30.540 --> 00:58:39.940
 might say, "Bus me and you."

00:58:39.940 --> 00:58:44.410
 As if the Russians love their

00:58:44.410 --> 00:58:45.940
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 Thank you.

01:00:57.940 --> 01:00:59.890
 Now there's a track I promise

01:00:59.890 --> 01:01:01.820
 you will never ever ever hear

01:01:01.820 --> 01:01:03.940
 on a commercial radio station.

01:01:03.940 --> 01:01:04.940
 Really?

01:01:04.940 --> 01:01:06.430
 No, because it's pretty

01:01:06.430 --> 01:01:06.940
 outrageous.

01:01:06.940 --> 01:01:07.940
 You like that?

01:01:07.940 --> 01:01:10.350
 I like it. It's funny. I know

01:01:10.350 --> 01:01:11.940
 the Sting song is great.

01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:13.910
 Yeah, you know the Will Smith

01:01:13.910 --> 01:01:15.940
 rap that was mixed in there?

01:01:15.940 --> 01:01:18.550
 Didn't tune in that was Will

01:01:18.550 --> 01:01:18.940
 Smith.

01:01:18.940 --> 01:01:20.940
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:23.280
 And that's a remix done by a

01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.940
 guy who goes by the name of JPL

01:01:25.940 --> 01:01:25.940
.

01:01:25.940 --> 01:01:28.100
 And you can download that and

01:01:28.100 --> 01:01:30.350
 lots of other excellent mixes

01:01:30.350 --> 01:01:31.940
 at mixfreaks.org.

01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:33.940
 Cool.

01:01:33.940 --> 01:01:35.620
 Yeah, no, they have, and you

01:01:35.620 --> 01:01:37.310
 know there's a new trend called

01:01:37.310 --> 01:01:37.940
 mashups.

01:01:37.940 --> 01:01:39.170
 There's another thing that will

01:01:39.170 --> 01:01:40.180
 never make it to the public

01:01:40.180 --> 01:01:42.190
 commercial space because there

01:01:42.190 --> 01:01:43.630
's too much rights hassle and

01:01:43.630 --> 01:01:44.940
 issues involved.

01:01:44.940 --> 01:01:46.850
 So a mashup is where you take

01:01:46.850 --> 01:01:48.480
 an old song and a new song and

01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:49.940
 you mix them together.

01:01:49.940 --> 01:01:51.940
 Oh yeah, yeah.

01:01:51.940 --> 01:01:54.270
 And you know you might hear

01:01:54.270 --> 01:01:56.920
 them, some radio stations may

01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:57.940
 do them live or you know,

01:01:57.940 --> 01:02:00.020
 but it's just so complicated.

01:02:00.020 --> 01:02:00.810
 You can't commercially exploit

01:02:00.810 --> 01:02:02.470
 that because you have to get

01:02:02.470 --> 01:02:02.940
 permission from everybody

01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:04.590
 and you have to agree on the

01:02:04.590 --> 01:02:06.080
 split and that all depends on

01:02:06.080 --> 01:02:07.700
 how many seconds you've changed

01:02:07.700 --> 01:02:07.940
.

01:02:07.940 --> 01:02:10.940
 It's a wormhole.

01:02:10.940 --> 01:02:13.940
 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

01:02:13.940 --> 01:02:15.440
 So I have another thing I want

01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.090
 to mention and maybe this can

01:02:17.090 --> 01:02:19.380
 be the last thing or I don't

01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:20.480
 know, how long has this been

01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:20.940
 going?

01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:24.830
 Let me see. We have been at it

01:02:24.830 --> 01:02:27.940
 for a little over an hour.

01:02:27.940 --> 01:02:29.940
 Really? Yeah.

01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:31.420
 Well, here's something that I

01:02:31.420 --> 01:02:32.890
've been sort of thinking about

01:02:32.890 --> 01:02:34.560
 in the back of my head and I'm

01:02:34.560 --> 01:02:37.020
 wondering when or how we can do

01:02:37.020 --> 01:02:38.940
 something about this.

01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:40.690
 Netflix, which I don't think

01:02:40.690 --> 01:02:41.940
 you get in Europe.

01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:43.940
 No, no, we do not have Netflix.

01:02:43.940 --> 01:02:45.540
 And you've explained it to me

01:02:45.540 --> 01:02:46.880
 and I still don't really

01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:48.660
 understand what the big deal is

01:02:48.660 --> 01:02:48.940
.

01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:50.370
 Let me try again. It's not a

01:02:50.370 --> 01:02:54.630
 big deal. I mean, it's nice and

01:02:54.630 --> 01:02:57.940
 it has its place.

01:02:57.940 --> 01:03:00.360
 I get movies from four

01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.610
 different sources. One is the

01:03:03.610 --> 01:03:05.380
 first run stuff in the movie

01:03:05.380 --> 01:03:05.940
 theater.

01:03:05.940 --> 01:03:07.760
 Another one is Turner Classic

01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.770
 Movies, which is great, except

01:03:09.770 --> 01:03:11.740
 I don't get it here, so I'm not

01:03:11.740 --> 01:03:13.590
 going to be watching Turner

01:03:13.590 --> 01:03:14.940
 Classic Movies.

01:03:14.940 --> 01:03:17.120
 The third is like HBO, the

01:03:17.120 --> 01:03:18.940
 normal cable stuff.

01:03:18.940 --> 01:03:22.940
 And the fourth is Netflix.

01:03:22.940 --> 01:03:25.730
 And they all do different kinds

01:03:25.730 --> 01:03:26.940
 of movies.

01:03:26.940 --> 01:03:29.900
 The first one movies, obviously

01:03:29.900 --> 01:03:32.860
, those are current with current

01:03:32.860 --> 01:03:34.940
 stars and whatever.

01:03:34.940 --> 01:03:37.800
 And same thing, more or less,

01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:38.940
 with HBO.

01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:40.890
 And Turner Classic Movies goes

01:03:40.890 --> 01:03:42.750
 way back in time. It's mostly

01:03:42.750 --> 01:03:43.940
 the MGM vault.

01:03:43.940 --> 01:03:47.500
 So it goes back to the 1920s

01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:50.270
 and even some movies from the

01:03:50.270 --> 01:03:50.940
 teens.

01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:53.020
 And Silent Pictures, the best

01:03:53.020 --> 01:03:55.180
 part of Turner Classic Movies,

01:03:55.180 --> 01:03:57.470
 I think, is the '30s, where it

01:03:57.470 --> 01:03:58.590
 was kind of a renaissance of

01:03:58.590 --> 01:03:58.940
 movies.

01:03:58.940 --> 01:04:00.570
 And they have a lot of stuff

01:04:00.570 --> 01:04:01.940
 from the '30s.

01:04:01.940 --> 01:04:03.240
 And it's really, I think, you

01:04:03.240 --> 01:04:04.530
 know, it's been an eye-opener

01:04:04.530 --> 01:04:04.940
 to me.

01:04:04.940 --> 01:04:06.490
 I didn't used to like that kind

01:04:06.490 --> 01:04:07.940
 of movies, but now I do.

01:04:07.940 --> 01:04:10.810
 And Netflix sort of allows you

01:04:10.810 --> 01:04:12.940
 to get unstuck in time.

01:04:12.940 --> 01:04:15.470
 And you can get really any

01:04:15.470 --> 01:04:18.940
 movie that is available on DVD.

01:04:18.940 --> 01:04:20.940
 But you don't have to own it.

01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:22.860
 And I guess another source of

01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:24.790
 movies would be, you know, go

01:04:24.790 --> 01:04:26.480
 down to Blockbuster or

01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.490
 Hollywood or whatever, Barnes &

01:04:30.490 --> 01:04:31.700
 Noble or bookstores and stuff

01:04:31.700 --> 01:04:31.940
 like that.

01:04:31.940 --> 01:04:33.940
 And buy the DVD.

01:04:33.940 --> 01:04:36.590
 But I don't know. I don't do

01:04:36.590 --> 01:04:36.940
 that.

01:04:36.940 --> 01:04:38.400
 I bought a couple, but it seems

01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:39.940
 wasteful to own one of those.

01:04:39.940 --> 01:04:41.940
 So how does Netflix work then?

01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:43.930
 Okay, so what you do is you

01:04:43.930 --> 01:04:45.940
 give them $20 a month.

01:04:45.940 --> 01:04:48.320
 That happens. They deduct $20 a

01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.120
 month from your credit card

01:04:50.120 --> 01:04:50.940
 account.

01:04:50.940 --> 01:04:53.340
 Re-interest, it doesn't matter

01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:55.940
 how many movies you've watched.

01:04:55.940 --> 01:04:57.940
 It's a flat fee of $20.

01:04:57.940 --> 01:04:59.870
 And you get three movies out at

01:04:59.870 --> 01:05:00.940
 any one time.

01:05:00.940 --> 01:05:02.690
 It's like having a library card

01:05:02.690 --> 01:05:02.940
.

01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:04.050
 And they send them to you. You

01:05:04.050 --> 01:05:05.040
 don't have to go anywhere. You

01:05:05.040 --> 01:05:05.940
 can just order them online.

01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:07.940
 It's all done via mail.

01:05:07.940 --> 01:05:09.940
 You order them online.

01:05:09.940 --> 01:05:11.940
 So there's netflix.com.

01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:13.940
 And you maintain a queue.

01:05:13.940 --> 01:05:15.570
 And that queue says, "Okay,

01:05:15.570 --> 01:05:17.550
 these are the movies that I

01:05:17.550 --> 01:05:18.940
 want to watch."

01:05:18.940 --> 01:05:21.940
 And pretty much, you rank them.

01:05:21.940 --> 01:05:23.170
 There's one, two, three, four,

01:05:23.170 --> 01:05:23.940
 five and so forth.

01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:25.530
 Right now I think I've got like

01:05:25.530 --> 01:05:26.940
 17 movies in my queue.

01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:29.580
 And you pretty much get the

01:05:29.580 --> 01:05:31.780
 number one, number two, number

01:05:31.780 --> 01:05:32.940
 three at any given time,

01:05:32.940 --> 01:05:34.630
 except if you want something

01:05:34.630 --> 01:05:36.270
 that's in high demand that they

01:05:36.270 --> 01:05:36.940
 don't have a lot of copies of,

01:05:36.940 --> 01:05:39.070
 then you'll wait for that to

01:05:39.070 --> 01:05:39.940
 show up.

01:05:39.940 --> 01:05:41.910
 Like for example, when the new

01:05:41.910 --> 01:05:43.940
 Manchurian candidate came out,

01:05:43.940 --> 01:05:45.360
 the old Manchurian candidate

01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:47.940
 went way up in demand.

01:05:47.940 --> 01:05:49.420
 Now that it's no longer a first

01:05:49.420 --> 01:05:50.870
 release, you could have it

01:05:50.870 --> 01:05:51.940
 whenever you want it.

01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:53.480
 They maybe even ordered a few

01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.170
 extra copies because of that or

01:05:55.170 --> 01:05:55.940
 whatever.

01:05:55.940 --> 01:05:58.210
 And for them, it seems to be a

01:05:58.210 --> 01:06:00.940
 remarkably profitable business.

01:06:00.940 --> 01:06:03.370
 And for me, it allows me to

01:06:03.370 --> 01:06:05.820
 sort of browse the world of

01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:06.940
 movies.

01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:08.880
 I get things they wouldn't have

01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:10.500
 in Blockbuster in a million

01:06:10.500 --> 01:06:11.940
 years, they wouldn't have them.

01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:14.360
 And it allows me to browse the

01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.750
 history of movies in a sort of

01:06:17.750 --> 01:06:18.940
 way that there was no other way

01:06:18.940 --> 01:06:20.680
 to do it before they came along

01:06:20.680 --> 01:06:20.940
.

01:06:20.940 --> 01:06:24.180
 So they very recently supported

01:06:24.180 --> 01:06:24.940
 RSS.

01:06:24.940 --> 01:06:27.510
 As soon as I sort of got in the

01:06:27.510 --> 01:06:29.980
 loop with them as a user, I

01:06:29.980 --> 01:06:30.940
 started writing about it.

01:06:30.940 --> 01:06:32.350
 Wouldn't it be great if they

01:06:32.350 --> 01:06:33.940
 had RSS? Wouldn't it be great?

01:06:33.940 --> 01:06:33.940
 Wouldn't it be great?

01:06:33.940 --> 01:06:35.940
 I said it over and over again.

01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:38.590
 At HackingNet Netflix, this is

01:06:38.590 --> 01:06:40.230
 how you do evangelism. You just

01:06:40.230 --> 01:06:41.210
 become a broken record until

01:06:41.210 --> 01:06:42.530
 they finally give you what you

01:06:42.530 --> 01:06:42.940
 want.

01:06:42.940 --> 01:06:44.410
 That's how you become president

01:06:44.410 --> 01:06:44.940
, Dave.

01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:46.940
 Yeah, that's true too.

01:06:46.940 --> 01:06:48.340
 Maybe my future has me as

01:06:48.340 --> 01:06:49.940
 president or whatever.

01:06:49.940 --> 01:06:52.100
 So, okay, so now they gave us

01:06:52.100 --> 01:06:53.940
 what we want, right?

01:06:53.940 --> 01:06:56.470
 So now we need to use it, right

01:06:56.470 --> 01:06:56.940
?

01:06:56.940 --> 01:07:00.040
 And so what I want to do is

01:07:00.040 --> 01:07:03.950
 have a site that aggregates the

01:07:03.950 --> 01:07:07.960
 queue of all the scripted news

01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:10.510
 readers who have Netflix

01:07:10.510 --> 01:07:11.940
 accounts.

01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:13.860
 That would be ideal. I've got a

01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:15.160
 community and what I want to do

01:07:15.160 --> 01:07:16.600
 is I want to look at the aggreg

01:07:16.600 --> 01:07:18.250
ator and see what you guys are

01:07:18.250 --> 01:07:18.940
 watching.

01:07:18.940 --> 01:07:20.640
 Yeah, and you want to be able

01:07:20.640 --> 01:07:22.430
 to cross-reference stuff and

01:07:22.430 --> 01:07:24.210
 you can extrapolate all kinds

01:07:24.210 --> 01:07:25.940
 of interesting things.

01:07:25.940 --> 01:07:27.940
 And we can all watch movies.

01:07:27.940 --> 01:07:29.500
 In other words, we can sort of

01:07:29.500 --> 01:07:31.080
 like, "Oh, well, 50 people have

01:07:31.080 --> 01:07:32.380
 watched this movie. Why don't I

01:07:32.380 --> 01:07:32.940
 watch it?"

01:07:32.940 --> 01:07:34.050
 And when I write something

01:07:34.050 --> 01:07:35.290
 about it, I'll bet they have

01:07:35.290 --> 01:07:36.410
 something to say about it,

01:07:36.410 --> 01:07:36.940
 right?

01:07:36.940 --> 01:07:38.580
 I mean, we can be like a book

01:07:38.580 --> 01:07:40.940
 club, except with movies, right

01:07:40.940 --> 01:07:40.940
?

01:07:40.940 --> 01:07:41.980
 So if Audible did the same

01:07:41.980 --> 01:07:43.780
 thing, for example, I wouldn't

01:07:43.780 --> 01:07:45.930
 have to wait for you to talk

01:07:45.930 --> 01:07:46.940
 about what -- there you go.

01:07:46.940 --> 01:07:47.900
 I mean, that's something you'll

01:07:47.900 --> 01:07:48.940
 totally understand, right?

01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:51.210
 Because now that you've talked

01:07:51.210 --> 01:07:53.460
 about that Audible with the guy

01:07:53.460 --> 01:07:55.940
 around the TV set, right?

01:07:55.940 --> 01:07:57.560
 I forget what it's called, but

01:07:57.560 --> 01:07:59.050
 you know I'm going to buy that

01:07:59.050 --> 01:07:59.940
 one, right?

01:07:59.940 --> 01:08:02.310
 And maybe part of the reason I

01:08:02.310 --> 01:08:04.680
'll buy it is because I think I

01:08:04.680 --> 01:08:05.940
'll like it.

01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:07.020
 But another part of the reason

01:08:07.020 --> 01:08:08.350
 why I'm going to buy it, maybe

01:08:08.350 --> 01:08:10.110
 even the bigger part, is

01:08:10.110 --> 01:08:11.840
 because you've already

01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:12.940
 experienced it,

01:08:12.940 --> 01:08:13.830
 and it's going to give us

01:08:13.830 --> 01:08:14.940
 something to talk about.

01:08:14.940 --> 01:08:16.940
 The spoken word revolution.

01:08:16.940 --> 01:08:18.950
 Yeah, spoken word revolution.

01:08:18.950 --> 01:08:19.940
 Okay, I'm writing that down.

01:08:19.940 --> 01:08:21.940
 So they don't --

01:08:21.940 --> 01:08:23.940
 Well, that makes sense.

01:08:23.940 --> 01:08:26.710
 And so it's like an Oprah's

01:08:26.710 --> 01:08:29.940
 book club only for Netflix.

01:08:29.940 --> 01:08:31.920
 So let me just put the request

01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:32.940
 out, okay?

01:08:32.940 --> 01:08:35.030
 So if you have a Netflix

01:08:35.030 --> 01:08:36.740
 account, right -- I'm talking

01:08:36.740 --> 01:08:37.990
 to everybody who's within your

01:08:37.990 --> 01:08:38.940
 side of me, right?

01:08:38.940 --> 01:08:41.440
 If you have a Netflix account

01:08:41.440 --> 01:08:44.190
 and you don't mind sharing with

01:08:44.190 --> 01:08:46.940
 me the contents of your queue,

01:08:46.940 --> 01:08:49.240
 send me the URL of your queue,

01:08:49.240 --> 01:08:49.940
 okay?

01:08:49.940 --> 01:08:52.620
 I won't share it with anybody

01:08:52.620 --> 01:08:55.530
 other than in an aggregate view

01:08:55.530 --> 01:08:55.940
.

01:08:55.940 --> 01:08:58.000
 I won't say, okay, this is what

01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.940
 so and so is subscribed to.

01:08:59.940 --> 01:09:01.940
 So what does Netflix provide?

01:09:01.940 --> 01:09:03.570
 Do they provide your queue in R

01:09:03.570 --> 01:09:03.940
SS?

01:09:03.940 --> 01:09:04.940
 That's what they provide?

01:09:04.940 --> 01:09:05.940
 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:05.940 --> 01:09:07.920
 Not only do they provide your

01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:09.830
 queue in RSS, but they also

01:09:09.830 --> 01:09:11.940
 provide your history in RSS.

01:09:11.940 --> 01:09:12.940
 Okay.

01:09:12.940 --> 01:09:14.110
 So the question is, which would

01:09:14.110 --> 01:09:15.210
 be more interesting, the queue

01:09:15.210 --> 01:09:15.940
 or the history?

01:09:15.940 --> 01:09:16.940
 And I don't know.

01:09:16.940 --> 01:09:18.180
 So why don't you go ahead and

01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:18.940
 send me both?

01:09:18.940 --> 01:09:21.440
 And then, because the hard part

01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:23.760
 of the application is the user

01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:24.940
 interface.

01:09:24.940 --> 01:09:26.540
 So this means I can bootstrap

01:09:26.540 --> 01:09:28.200
 the thing without putting up

01:09:28.200 --> 01:09:29.940
 any user interface at all.

01:09:29.940 --> 01:09:30.940
 People just send me the URLs.

01:09:30.940 --> 01:09:32.610
 Then I can just program that

01:09:32.610 --> 01:09:34.360
 into the app and do the aggreg

01:09:34.360 --> 01:09:34.940
ated.

01:09:34.940 --> 01:09:37.490
 I'll do a run every day

01:09:37.490 --> 01:09:39.750
 basically up on it, which won't

01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:40.940
 be great.

01:09:40.940 --> 01:09:42.430
 Yeah, and I think that we'll

01:09:42.430 --> 01:09:43.940
 see something from that.

01:09:43.940 --> 01:09:46.940
 I mean, I think Audible, I don

01:09:46.940 --> 01:09:49.830
't know if I point to an Audible

01:09:49.830 --> 01:09:51.940
 link from my blog.

01:09:51.940 --> 01:09:53.190
 I don't know if other people

01:09:53.190 --> 01:09:53.940
 can see that.

01:09:53.940 --> 01:09:54.940
 I suspect that you can't.

01:09:54.940 --> 01:09:56.500
 That they don't have their URLs

01:09:56.500 --> 01:09:56.940
 down.

01:09:56.940 --> 01:09:58.030
 And this is something they

01:09:58.030 --> 01:09:58.940
 really ought to do.

01:09:58.940 --> 01:10:00.860
 They ought to make it easy for

01:10:00.860 --> 01:10:02.940
 a blogger to point to a book.

01:10:02.940 --> 01:10:03.940
 Why not?

01:10:03.940 --> 01:10:06.750
 But they seem to be very member

01:10:06.750 --> 01:10:07.940
, right?

01:10:07.940 --> 01:10:09.910
 It's like, don't make it hard

01:10:09.910 --> 01:10:11.940
 for us to sell your product.

01:10:11.940 --> 01:10:12.940
 Exactly.

01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:15.830
 But Netflix, I know, does make

01:10:15.830 --> 01:10:17.940
 it easy and it works.

01:10:17.940 --> 01:10:19.450
 So even if you're not a Netflix

01:10:19.450 --> 01:10:21.100
 member, you can sort of get a

01:10:21.100 --> 01:10:22.940
 sense of what scripting

01:10:22.940 --> 01:10:25.470
 people or actually it will be

01:10:25.470 --> 01:10:28.280
 trade secrets people are, what

01:10:28.280 --> 01:10:29.940
 kind of movies are they

01:10:29.940 --> 01:10:29.940
 watching?

01:10:29.940 --> 01:10:33.030
 And I think that gets kind of

01:10:33.030 --> 01:10:34.940
 interesting.

01:10:34.940 --> 01:10:37.160
 And then you can sort of watch

01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:39.670
 the effect you're talking about

01:10:39.670 --> 01:10:42.940
 a movie or a book in one of

01:10:42.940 --> 01:10:42.940
 your

01:10:42.940 --> 01:10:45.070
 sticks and see how to do more

01:10:45.070 --> 01:10:47.220
 people watch it because you did

01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:47.940
 that.

01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:49.490
 Then you can go send them a

01:10:49.490 --> 01:10:49.940
 bill.

01:10:49.940 --> 01:10:50.940
 Yeah, you're looking at it.

01:10:50.940 --> 01:10:53.640
 Basically, I need you all to

01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:55.940
 send me just kidding.

01:10:55.940 --> 01:10:58.660
 Along that, I had an email

01:10:58.660 --> 01:11:01.940
 exchange with a nice guy from,

01:11:01.940 --> 01:11:03.940
 I'm afraid to touch any other

01:11:03.940 --> 01:11:05.480
 applications while I'm doing

01:11:05.480 --> 01:11:05.940
 this.

01:11:05.940 --> 01:11:07.870
 Please don't touch any other

01:11:07.870 --> 01:11:08.940
 applications.

01:11:08.940 --> 01:11:11.940
 Lulop.it.

01:11:11.940 --> 01:11:13.420
 I've pointed to them in the

01:11:13.420 --> 01:11:13.940
 past.

01:11:13.940 --> 01:11:16.190
 They provide paparazzi video

01:11:16.190 --> 01:11:16.940
 feeds.

01:11:16.940 --> 01:11:18.940
 Have you seen that?

01:11:18.940 --> 01:11:19.940
 No.

01:11:19.940 --> 01:11:22.840
 He's got RSS tricked out where

01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.060
 they encode copyright

01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:27.940
 information into the RSS.

01:11:27.940 --> 01:11:29.730
 I don't really fully understand

01:11:29.730 --> 01:11:31.460
 it yet, but they're helping me

01:11:31.460 --> 01:11:31.940
 out.

01:11:31.940 --> 01:11:34.880
 And they have a transaction

01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:38.070
 back end where if traditional

01:11:38.070 --> 01:11:40.940
 broadcast media want to take an

01:11:40.940 --> 01:11:40.940
 excerpt,

01:11:40.940 --> 01:11:42.700
 that's why there's all this pap

01:11:42.700 --> 01:11:44.220
arazzi footage on it, then they

01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:44.940
 have right built in.

01:11:44.940 --> 01:11:46.940
 Okay, also you want 30 seconds.

01:11:46.940 --> 01:11:48.410
 Great, that's going to cost you

01:11:48.410 --> 01:11:48.940
 so much.

01:11:48.940 --> 01:11:50.650
 And then they take the video

01:11:50.650 --> 01:11:52.580
 footage and the transaction is

01:11:52.580 --> 01:11:54.600
 made and someone's paid someone

01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:55.940
 down the line.

01:11:55.940 --> 01:11:57.880
 Just interesting shit that's

01:11:57.880 --> 01:11:58.940
 popping out.

01:11:58.940 --> 01:11:59.940
 That's pretty funny.

01:11:59.940 --> 01:12:02.940
 Yeah, at Lulop.it.

01:12:02.940 --> 01:12:06.940
 Very commercial sounding name.

01:12:06.940 --> 01:12:08.940
 Lulop, what the hell is that?

01:12:08.940 --> 01:12:10.940
 I don't know.

01:12:10.940 --> 01:12:12.440
 Oh, you were being sarcastic

01:12:12.440 --> 01:12:12.940
 there.

01:12:12.940 --> 01:12:13.940
 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:13.940 --> 01:12:14.630
 I was like, "Hey, what's up, L

01:12:14.630 --> 01:12:15.940
ulop? What's a Google?"

01:12:15.940 --> 01:12:16.940
 There you go.

01:12:16.940 --> 01:12:17.940
 I hate it.

01:12:17.940 --> 01:12:18.940
 I'm so gullible.

01:12:18.940 --> 01:12:20.890
 I go for, like, "Tell me the

01:12:20.890 --> 01:12:23.290
 sky's on fire and I'll go wheel

01:12:23.290 --> 01:12:23.940
ie."

01:12:23.940 --> 01:12:26.070
 All right, so what's up for the

01:12:26.070 --> 01:12:27.940
 rest of the week for you?

01:12:27.940 --> 01:12:29.940
 Lots of meetings.

01:12:29.940 --> 01:12:31.940
 I've got lots of meetings.

01:12:31.940 --> 01:12:33.520
 I've got to somehow get a

01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:35.500
 conference set up and ready to

01:12:35.500 --> 01:12:35.940
 go.

01:12:35.940 --> 01:12:38.730
 You know, you start with things

01:12:38.730 --> 01:12:38.940
.

01:12:38.940 --> 01:12:40.490
 The conference is six weeks

01:12:40.490 --> 01:12:40.940
 away.

01:12:40.940 --> 01:12:43.260
 Why is he, you know, what, it

01:12:43.260 --> 01:12:44.940
 takes so much time to do these

01:12:44.940 --> 01:12:44.940
 things.

01:12:44.940 --> 01:12:46.270
 Yeah, but to do it right, it

01:12:46.270 --> 01:12:46.940
 sure does.

01:12:46.940 --> 01:12:48.420
 Well, yeah, I want to do it

01:12:48.420 --> 01:12:48.940
 right.

01:12:48.940 --> 01:12:50.350
 To me, it's very important that

01:12:50.350 --> 01:12:51.300
 it not just be another

01:12:51.300 --> 01:12:52.940
 conference.

01:12:52.940 --> 01:12:54.200
 And that means I have to talk

01:12:54.200 --> 01:12:55.510
 with each of the discussion

01:12:55.510 --> 01:12:56.940
 leaders.

01:12:56.940 --> 01:12:59.520
 And then the other thing is the

01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.070
 two technological aspects of

01:13:02.070 --> 01:13:04.190
 the conference and then the

01:13:04.190 --> 01:13:04.940
 financial.

01:13:04.940 --> 01:13:07.130
 The two technological aspects

01:13:07.130 --> 01:13:08.940
 are Wi-Fi and webcast.

01:13:08.940 --> 01:13:11.940
 And those never ever work.

01:13:11.940 --> 01:13:13.940
 They just never seem to work.

01:13:13.940 --> 01:13:15.940
 If I could give up on them,

01:13:15.940 --> 01:13:17.980
 then the difficulty of the

01:13:17.980 --> 01:13:20.270
 conference would be like one

01:13:20.270 --> 01:13:21.940
 quarter is difficult.

01:13:21.940 --> 01:13:23.820
 But I have to somehow worry a

01:13:23.820 --> 01:13:25.940
 lot and then have it not work.

01:13:25.940 --> 01:13:27.660
 Yeah, in that regard, it's

01:13:27.660 --> 01:13:29.260
 still like a regular conference

01:13:29.260 --> 01:13:29.940
.

01:13:29.940 --> 01:13:31.830
 Yeah, well, the thing is that I

01:13:31.830 --> 01:13:33.580
 was thinking of saying to Doug

01:13:33.580 --> 01:13:35.490
 Kay, who wants to, Doug wants

01:13:35.490 --> 01:13:35.940
 to do the...

01:13:35.940 --> 01:13:36.940
 Webcast.

01:13:36.940 --> 01:13:37.940
 The audio.

01:13:37.940 --> 01:13:38.940
 Yeah.

01:13:38.940 --> 01:13:40.930
 Well, I don't think it should

01:13:40.930 --> 01:13:41.940
 be webcast.

01:13:41.940 --> 01:13:42.940
 That's my feeling.

01:13:42.940 --> 01:13:44.480
 Because we can make it a lot

01:13:44.480 --> 01:13:46.230
 simpler if we're not trying to

01:13:46.230 --> 01:13:46.940
 webcast.

01:13:46.940 --> 01:13:47.940
 I agree.

01:13:47.940 --> 01:13:50.130
 We just set it up as RSS feeds

01:13:50.130 --> 01:13:50.940
 and go.

01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:52.940
 And record it.

01:13:52.940 --> 01:13:53.940
 Yeah, record it.

01:13:53.940 --> 01:13:54.940
 Definitely.

01:13:54.940 --> 01:13:55.940
 Yeah, and by the way, that's

01:13:55.940 --> 01:13:56.880
 the technology that I think

01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:57.940
 Doug really understands.

01:13:57.940 --> 01:14:00.320
 I don't think he's a streaming

01:14:00.320 --> 01:14:00.940
 guy.

01:14:00.940 --> 01:14:02.410
 I think he totally understands

01:14:02.410 --> 01:14:04.260
 how to record a conference well

01:14:04.260 --> 01:14:05.940
 and how to encode that and get

01:14:05.940 --> 01:14:05.940
 it up somewhere.

01:14:05.940 --> 01:14:06.940
 People can listen to it.

01:14:06.940 --> 01:14:08.970
 ITconferinations.com is full of

01:14:08.970 --> 01:14:09.940
 conferences.

01:14:09.940 --> 01:14:10.940
 It's good.

01:14:10.940 --> 01:14:13.940
 Right, but not streaming.

01:14:13.940 --> 01:14:15.130
 But you said he's not a

01:14:15.130 --> 01:14:15.940
 streaming expert?

01:14:15.940 --> 01:14:17.940
 No, I don't think so.

01:14:17.940 --> 01:14:18.940
 I mean, I don't know.

01:14:18.940 --> 01:14:20.280
 He doesn't seem like that's his

01:14:20.280 --> 01:14:20.940
 expertise.

01:14:20.940 --> 01:14:22.790
 I do know that he understands

01:14:22.790 --> 01:14:23.940
 conferences.

01:14:23.940 --> 01:14:25.740
 I think that without the

01:14:25.740 --> 01:14:28.080
 facility already prepared for

01:14:28.080 --> 01:14:30.870
 streaming and having tested it

01:14:30.870 --> 01:14:32.940
 15 times before he ended it.

01:14:32.940 --> 01:14:33.940
 It's always disappointing.

01:14:33.940 --> 01:14:34.960
 It's always fucking

01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:35.940
 disappointing.

01:14:35.940 --> 01:14:37.940
 It's effective to work.

01:14:37.940 --> 01:14:38.940
 Right.

01:14:38.940 --> 01:14:42.000
 And so, I mean, I'd like to do

01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:42.940
 that.

01:14:42.940 --> 01:14:45.940
 Yeah, so maybe we'll do it.

01:14:45.940 --> 01:14:48.740
 Or maybe we could just sort of

01:14:48.740 --> 01:14:50.840
 like allocate, ask people to

01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:52.490
 cover sessions and bring their

01:14:52.490 --> 01:14:54.400
 microphone and then at the end

01:14:54.400 --> 01:14:56.680
 of it, I mean, actually, that

01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:58.080
 would be a really good thing to

01:14:58.080 --> 01:14:59.580
 sort of look to you to help

01:14:59.580 --> 01:15:01.650
 with because, hey, this is what

01:15:01.650 --> 01:15:02.940
 we're talking about.

01:15:02.940 --> 01:15:03.940
 Yeah.

01:15:03.940 --> 01:15:05.470
 You want to, you know, maybe

01:15:05.470 --> 01:15:06.940
 you could ask that somewhere.

01:15:06.940 --> 01:15:08.580
 The only problem is, in order

01:15:08.580 --> 01:15:10.020
 to do it right, and I don't

01:15:10.020 --> 01:15:11.660
 know what the setup's like and

01:15:11.660 --> 01:15:13.370
 what the rooms are like, is if

01:15:13.370 --> 01:15:14.680
 this is an existing audio

01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:16.260
 system, you want to tap into

01:15:16.260 --> 01:15:16.940
 that.

01:15:16.940 --> 01:15:18.320
 And you can only really have

01:15:18.320 --> 01:15:19.810
 one person who knows what they

01:15:19.810 --> 01:15:20.940
're doing do that.

01:15:20.940 --> 01:15:21.940
 Yeah.

01:15:21.940 --> 01:15:22.860
 All right, I have to go down

01:15:22.860 --> 01:15:23.820
 there and find out what's the

01:15:23.820 --> 01:15:24.940
 deal with the audio system.

01:15:24.940 --> 01:15:25.940
 Yeah, I'll help you with that.

01:15:25.940 --> 01:15:27.690
 Let me know what their setup is

01:15:27.690 --> 01:15:27.940
.

01:15:27.940 --> 01:15:28.940
 Yeah.

01:15:28.940 --> 01:15:30.250
 They must have a spec sheet or

01:15:30.250 --> 01:15:30.940
 something.

01:15:30.940 --> 01:15:31.940
 They usually do.

01:15:31.940 --> 01:15:32.940
 I could get down there.

01:15:32.940 --> 01:15:33.940
 That's basically it.

01:15:33.940 --> 01:15:35.400
 I have to go and sort of like

01:15:35.400 --> 01:15:35.940
 that.

01:15:35.940 --> 01:15:37.590
 That'll be my job after I've

01:15:37.590 --> 01:15:39.070
 got the discussion with your

01:15:39.070 --> 01:15:39.940
 bootstrap.

01:15:39.940 --> 01:15:42.070
 So you could really help by

01:15:42.070 --> 01:15:43.930
 taking the lead on your

01:15:43.930 --> 01:15:46.640
 discussion and writing up your

01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.940
 own personal experience.

01:15:48.940 --> 01:15:50.380
 What you think, what's your

01:15:50.380 --> 01:15:50.940
 vision?

01:15:50.940 --> 01:15:51.940
 It doesn't have to be long.

01:15:51.940 --> 01:15:53.700
 I have another question for you

01:15:53.700 --> 01:15:53.940
.

01:15:53.940 --> 01:15:54.940
 Yeah.

01:15:54.940 --> 01:15:58.220
 What's the best hotel to stay

01:15:58.220 --> 01:15:58.940
 at?

01:15:58.940 --> 01:15:59.940
 Hmm.

01:15:59.940 --> 01:16:02.980
 Well, let me write that one

01:16:02.980 --> 01:16:03.940
 down.

01:16:03.940 --> 01:16:06.190
 I don't know if there's info on

01:16:06.190 --> 01:16:07.940
 bloggercon.com?

01:16:07.940 --> 01:16:09.940
 We haven't done it yet.

01:16:09.940 --> 01:16:11.940
 Probably the--

01:16:11.940 --> 01:16:13.940
 Is .com or .org?

01:16:13.940 --> 01:16:14.940
 .org.

01:16:14.940 --> 01:16:15.940
 .org, sorry.

01:16:15.940 --> 01:16:17.520
 I haven't done the hotel stuff

01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:17.940
 yet.

01:16:17.940 --> 01:16:19.880
 There's something Garden Court

01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:20.940
 or something.

01:16:20.940 --> 01:16:21.940
 Why does that come to mind?

01:16:21.940 --> 01:16:23.940
 Hold on, let me look this up.

01:16:23.940 --> 01:16:28.790
 I'm going to give you a little

01:16:28.790 --> 01:16:33.940
 bit of look up music, Dave.

01:16:33.940 --> 01:16:34.940
 Oh, really?

01:16:34.940 --> 01:16:35.940
 Yeah.

01:16:35.940 --> 01:16:37.940
 It should be like the Jeopardy

01:16:37.940 --> 01:16:38.940
 theme song.

01:16:38.940 --> 01:16:39.940
 Oh, hold on.

01:16:39.940 --> 01:16:40.940
 Okay, hold on.

01:16:40.940 --> 01:16:48.940
 Let's see what it is.

01:16:48.940 --> 01:16:49.940
 Here we go.

01:16:49.940 --> 01:16:51.940
 It's the Garden Court Hotel.

01:16:51.940 --> 01:16:52.940
 It's in Palo Alto.

01:16:52.940 --> 01:16:55.940
 It's probably-- there's that.

01:16:55.940 --> 01:16:58.930
 It's the Stanford Court Hotel,

01:16:58.930 --> 01:17:00.940
 I think is what it's called.

01:17:00.940 --> 01:17:04.940
 I mean, you know, it's like--

01:17:04.940 --> 01:17:06.940
 Do you hear that?

01:17:06.940 --> 01:17:07.940
 Dave?

01:17:07.940 --> 01:17:08.940
 No.

01:17:08.940 --> 01:17:11.940
 I can't hear it.

01:17:11.940 --> 01:17:13.120
 It's the Garden Court is where

01:17:13.120 --> 01:17:13.940
 you want to stay.

01:17:13.940 --> 01:17:19.620
 It's 520 Calpers Street in Palo

01:17:19.620 --> 01:17:20.940
 Alto.

01:17:20.940 --> 01:17:22.940
 You can hear it now.

01:17:22.940 --> 01:17:24.940
 Oh, yeah.

01:17:24.940 --> 01:17:27.940
 Okay, I'm sorry.

01:17:27.940 --> 01:17:28.940
 So what's the name of it?

01:17:28.940 --> 01:17:30.270
 Yeah, you want to stay at the

01:17:30.270 --> 01:17:31.790
 Garden Court because it's right

01:17:31.790 --> 01:17:32.940
 next to Il Frenaya, which

01:17:32.940 --> 01:17:33.940
 is a really nice restaurant.

01:17:33.940 --> 01:17:34.940
 Garden Court.

01:17:34.940 --> 01:17:35.940
 Okay.

01:17:35.940 --> 01:17:38.220
 Yeah, it's 520 Calpers Street,

01:17:38.220 --> 01:17:38.940
 Palo Alto.

01:17:38.940 --> 01:17:41.160
 And, you know, I know you like

01:17:41.160 --> 01:17:42.940
 to stay in Nice Hotel.

01:17:42.940 --> 01:17:43.940
 This is a nice hotel.

01:17:43.940 --> 01:17:45.940
 And there's also, I think--

01:17:45.940 --> 01:17:47.670
 I'm downgrading my expectations

01:17:47.670 --> 01:17:47.940
.

01:17:47.940 --> 01:17:48.940
 Are you?

01:17:48.940 --> 01:17:49.940
 Yeah, I'm not at work.

01:17:49.940 --> 01:17:51.940
 I have no work, you know.

01:17:51.940 --> 01:17:53.940
 I've got a big move coming up.

01:17:53.940 --> 01:17:55.010
 I like being unemployed, so I

01:17:55.010 --> 01:17:55.940
 don't want to go to the--

01:17:55.940 --> 01:17:56.790
 All right, let me give you that

01:17:56.790 --> 01:17:56.940
.

01:17:56.940 --> 01:17:57.670
 Let me give you a little one,

01:17:57.670 --> 01:17:57.940
 then.

01:17:57.940 --> 01:17:59.560
 Okay, there's Sheraton Palo

01:17:59.560 --> 01:17:59.940
 Alto.

01:17:59.940 --> 01:18:01.410
 That's probably the closest

01:18:01.410 --> 01:18:01.940
 hotel.

01:18:01.940 --> 01:18:03.940
 And even that's not very close.

01:18:03.940 --> 01:18:05.940
 You do need to rent a car.

01:18:05.940 --> 01:18:06.940
 Okay.

01:18:06.940 --> 01:18:08.840
 And that's going to be sort of

01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:10.940
 your mid-price range hotel.

01:18:10.940 --> 01:18:13.280
 And then Ricky's Hyatt House is

01:18:13.280 --> 01:18:13.940
 nice.

01:18:13.940 --> 01:18:16.010
 Are you going to post this on

01:18:16.010 --> 01:18:16.940
 the site?

01:18:16.940 --> 01:18:17.940
 Well, sure.

01:18:17.940 --> 01:18:19.940
 Oh, you're not taking this.

01:18:19.940 --> 01:18:20.970
 Okay, Ricky's Hyatt House is

01:18:20.970 --> 01:18:21.940
 probably pretty good.

01:18:21.940 --> 01:18:23.150
 I'm trying to keep the show on

01:18:23.150 --> 01:18:23.940
 the air, Dave.

01:18:23.940 --> 01:18:24.940
 What are you talking about?

01:18:24.940 --> 01:18:27.260
 I'm calling Chicken Wire and

01:18:27.260 --> 01:18:28.940
 chewing gum here.

01:18:28.940 --> 01:18:29.940
 Oh, really?

01:18:29.940 --> 01:18:30.940
 So we're about at--

01:18:30.940 --> 01:18:32.940
 It's already 11.04 here.

01:18:32.940 --> 01:18:33.940
 And, God, what does that mean?

01:18:33.940 --> 01:18:35.940
 It's like 2004, which is--

01:18:35.940 --> 01:18:36.940
 Yeah.

01:18:36.940 --> 01:18:37.940
 It's 8 p.m. where you are,

01:18:37.940 --> 01:18:37.940
 right?

01:18:37.940 --> 01:18:38.940
 Yeah.

01:18:38.940 --> 01:18:39.940
 Okay.

01:18:39.940 --> 01:18:40.940
 That's not too bad.

01:18:40.940 --> 01:18:42.040
 Well, why don't you just say

01:18:42.040 --> 01:18:42.940
 the--

01:18:42.940 --> 01:18:43.940
 the-- the-- the theme song.

01:18:43.940 --> 01:18:45.940
 Let's get the fuck out of here.

01:18:45.940 --> 01:18:47.940
 All right.

01:18:47.940 --> 01:18:50.180
 Hey, listen, dude, we'll talk

01:18:50.180 --> 01:18:50.940
 sometime after the weekend.

01:18:50.940 --> 01:18:52.160
 Should be our signature sign-

01:18:52.160 --> 01:18:53.220
off, by the way, if we're

01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:53.940
 looking for one.

01:18:53.940 --> 01:18:55.500
 Yeah, let's get the fuck out of

01:18:55.500 --> 01:18:55.940
 here.

01:18:55.940 --> 01:18:56.940
 That's our sign-off.

01:18:56.940 --> 01:18:58.110
 Hey, I'll talk to you after the

01:18:58.110 --> 01:18:58.940
 weekend, buddy.

01:18:58.940 --> 01:18:59.940
 Right on.

01:18:59.940 --> 01:19:00.940
 Right on.

01:19:00.940 --> 01:19:02.340
 Take care, everybody, and we'll

01:19:02.340 --> 01:19:04.490
 check you out soon on Trade Sec

01:19:04.490 --> 01:19:04.940
rets.

01:19:04.940 --> 01:19:05.940
 We are at Secrets--

01:19:05.940 --> 01:19:06.960
 Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait,

01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:07.940
 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

01:19:07.940 --> 01:19:07.940
 wait, wait.

01:19:07.940 --> 01:19:08.940
 I was going to talk to you.

01:19:08.940 --> 01:19:10.940
 It's Secrets-- Secrets.scr

01:19:10.940 --> 01:19:10.940
atching.com.

01:19:10.940 --> 01:19:11.830
 Is that what you're going to do

01:19:11.830 --> 01:19:11.940
?

01:19:11.940 --> 01:19:12.690
 Yeah, that's what I was going

01:19:12.690 --> 01:19:12.940
 to say.

01:19:12.940 --> 01:19:13.940
 Oh, sorry.

01:19:13.940 --> 01:19:15.940
 Let's get the fuck out of here.

01:19:15.940 --> 01:19:16.940
 Yeah.

01:19:16.940 --> 01:19:17.940
 All right.

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