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 Throw 'em up! It's Trade Sec

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rets now!

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 The doobiest crew's getting

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 You don't need converse

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 speakers!

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 Trade secrets! Trade secrets!

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 These beats blow up your

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 speakers!

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 Trade secrets! Trade secrets!

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 These wonders fill my peeps on

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 the streets, that's how it's

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 meant to be

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 Sonard your heads and feel the

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 beat with taste and victory

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 Erase the macrolicious with

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 beats delicious, no negative

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 vibes here

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 We're playing this fear, know

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 my style is so high tech you

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 catch a critical beat down

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 Hip-Hop's ill-ass sound will

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 burn your lyrical streets down

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 I wanna bake my cake and eat it

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 too

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 These golden beats will see us

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 through the trade secrets

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 volume 2

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 Trade secrets! Trade secrets!

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 Hi everybody, this is Trade Sec

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rets! I'm Adam Curry, sitting

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 here, nice and pretty in Curry

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 Castle in Belgium

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 Hey, it's Dave Weiner here, I'm

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 not very pretty but I'm from

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 Seattle, Washington

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 I said I was sitting pretty and

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 you said I was pretty

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 You were very pretty! I've

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 heard people say that about you

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 All the girls at BloggerCon,

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 they all crowd around Adam and

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 I asked them why, oh, well he's

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 so pretty

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 Yeah, but you know what, no one

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 makes any indecent proposals to

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 me ever!

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 Never, never ever

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 Unfortunately, it's probably

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 that sort of blonde wholesome

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 look that you've got

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 They're more likely to offer

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 you a milkshake

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 Hey Dave, fuck you very much

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 So this is our...

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 Not really, thank you, you're

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 not gonna get my time

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 But I'm blonde, come on

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 So here we are, self

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 congratulations, they're all in

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 order

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 We finally, after much trial

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 and error, we think now, knock

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 wood, praise Murphy, I'm not a

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 lawyer, my mother loves me, etc

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, etc

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 All other disclaimers apply

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 We've been spending most of

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 today, it's now 11.37 a.m.

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 Most of today from my point of

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 view, most of the evening from

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 Adam's

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 To try to get this cross-cont

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inental internet radio program

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 thing working

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 And perhaps now we actually

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 have it working, what do you

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 think?

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 It seems to be, although the

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 magic moment is about 6 minutes

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 and 22 seconds

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 That's when a wire tap, which I

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'm using to record the signal of

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 both my microphone and the

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 signal that's coming in from

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 Seattle from Dave

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 That was kind of like the Max

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 and it would just flip out and

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 freeze up and it did some nasty

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 stuff

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 But it seems to be working now,

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 we switched, we were doing it

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 with Skype

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 Which although has a beautiful

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 sound quality and the latency

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 is very low

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 I think probably because it's

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 beta on the Macintosh and I'm

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 running a Mac and Dave's

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 running Windows

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 But for that reason, it's doing

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 something that the 6 minutes

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 was the magical moment and it

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 just wasn't working

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 But this really, from a

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 broadcast perspective, this is

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 blowing me away because when I

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 was doing radio or television

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 for that matter

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 If you wanted to bring someone

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 into the show, you either had

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 to call them via phone

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 Which is that very definite

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 phone sound, or you have to get

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 a satellite uplink, get someone

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 to go sit in the studio

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 Or if you're really lucky, then

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 you can put in a lease line

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 And the internet has always

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 been the promise for broadcast,

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 like hey, we can connect

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 everyone everywhere from any

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 place

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 I haven't seen much more in

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 technology when it comes to

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 stuff like this than the video

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 phones on CNN

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 I don't think many people are

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 using the technology this way,

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 but it seems to be working

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 And the idea is that we'll do,

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 I'm going to be very careful

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 and say, a weekly program and

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 just shoot the shit together

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 We've been friends for a number

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 of years and we've been talking

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 about doing a show like this

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 for a number of years

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 We've been talking about

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 working together for a number

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 of years

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 Well, you know, it's our phone

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 conversations generally sound

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 like they would be good things

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 to share with other people

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 But we put things on our to-do

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 list, our respective to-do list

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, but somehow don't seem to ever

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 get them done

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 So this way, the ideas that we

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 have, they get out there, and

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 maybe we'll have some fun with

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 it along the way

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 And so we'll see what happens

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 First of all, a reminder that

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 all of our listeners are under

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 non-disclosure

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 That's what trade secrets is

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 all about

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 Yeah, we'll get to that at some

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 other point in time, but just

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 for now, you're not allowed to

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 tell anybody about this or what

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 we're talking about

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 Anything you tell us, of course

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, anything that other people

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 tell us, of course, is not

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 confidential

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 No, we'll obviously discuss it

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 together

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 Everything that we tell you,

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 however, is confidential

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 That's the premise of the trade

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 secrets

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 We're going to trade secrets

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 here quite out in the open, but

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 they'll be your secrets, not

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 ours

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 So today being September 16,

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 2004, it's Thursday evening

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 where I am, it's about 8.40 now

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, PM

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 And we've spoken a couple times

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 in the past two hours, and now

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 we're finally recording

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 everything

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 But you've been really excited,

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 Dave, about what's been going

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 on with Bush

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 Well, mostly, it's been what's

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 been going on with CNN

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 I mean, they've been intermix

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ing CNN coverage of Hurricane

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 Ivan with coverage of the

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 campaign, the president's

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 campaign

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 And when we were talking before

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, it was like this wonderful

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 magic little moment

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 They had President Bush

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 climbing the stairs to Air

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 Force One, and his shoulders

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 were slumped

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 And he turned around, he looked

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 really tired and kind of

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 confused, and he waved

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 And as he was waving, the

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 headline comes up on the screen

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, "The Future of Iraq"

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 And I thought, wow, well, this

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 is what lives in the future of

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 Iraq

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 But you know how that works,

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 Dave? You know how that works?

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 They're sitting in the control

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 room, right? And there's a

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 million things going on

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 And someone says, "All right,

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 bring up the lower third of

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 Iraq, all right, go Kyron!"

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 But somebody, they must have a

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 resident comedian, taking the

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 exact moment to put that on,

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 don't you think?

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 Well, he's surely the same guy

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 who, I put that on my web blog,

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 who identified the Czech

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 Republic as Switzerland on a

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 nice slide on CNN

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 That was good

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 Yeah, it was also the guy that

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 played the Howard Dean's Dream

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 80,000 times and knocked him

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 out of the race

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 Well, that's exactly right

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 I think something happened in

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 the last 24 hours or whatever,

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 sometime pretty recently

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 I think CNN decided that they

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 want Kerry to win the election,

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 and so now the spin is heavily,

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 heavily in favor of Kerry

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 And heavily against Bush, they

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 make Kerry look good in every

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 chance they get, and they make

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 Bush look like a complete loser

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 Which, you know, not totally

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 appreciated

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 I mean, I thought about this in

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 between our various meltdowns

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 that we had today, is like, you

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 know, he is our president

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 And, you know, why, you know, I

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've spent a lot of time in the

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 last few months reading books

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 about the American presidency

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 And, you know, dignified people

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 like George Washington, Teddy

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 Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson,

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 Franklin Roosevelt, Harry

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 Truman, even Lyndon Johnson,

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 John Kennedy, even Ronald

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 Reagan

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 You know, that they sort of had

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 a presence that you kind of,

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 you know, you don't want to, I

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 mean, they are the president of

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 the United States

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 And, you know, it's

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 disrespectful to the United

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 States

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 However, Bush is such a lout,

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 he lies to me so much, and he

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 clearly doesn't want, he wants

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 support without deserving

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 support

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 Whereas a guy like Truman had

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 to put up with a lot of crap

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 from McCarthy and from Mac

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Arthur, and, you know, through

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 all of it, he kept his head,

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 you know, high

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 And, you know, he always said

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 things like, "The buck stops

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 here," and I think Kerry's

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 lying about how, you know, Bush

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 just, the buck just cruises

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 right by his death

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 Dude, you know what, Kerry

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 should do that, he should just

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 say, "The buck stops here," why

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 is he, he can hijack that?

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 Yeah, I think that, I think

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 Kerry has, is getting some good

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 advice, I think he's got some

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 people sitting next to him on

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 the campaign playing who are

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 not just sort of, I don't think

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 Carl is actually on the plane

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 I think a lot of that is, I

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 think it's the guy that was in

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 the Dukakis campaign, which

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 everybody sort of, you know,

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 laughed at, but he got fired

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 from the Dukakis campaign for

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 being too aggressive

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 So I think it was Dukakis'

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 fault that he got, you know,

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 they got pulled out of there

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 I think Kerry's going to pull

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 it out, I think Kerry's going

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 to win, and I think he's going

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 to win with the help of CNN,

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 and, but it feels like nobody's

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, or I don't know, feels like

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 nobody's buying Bush's bulls of

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 anyone

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 Can I throw a conspiracy theory

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 on you there for a second day?

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 Sure, sure

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 So, maybe, and this is only

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 because I was listening to that

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 BBC radio documentary about Sk

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ull and Bones, could it be?

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 I haven't heard that one, but I

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 know

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 Oh, okay, yeah, I had on the

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 source code, you haven't heard

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 my source code for today yet

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 No

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 I found this half hour

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 documentary that BBC actually

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 went to Yale, went to the

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 campus and knocked on the door

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 at Skull and Bones, and, you

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 know, of course they weren't

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 let in, but they talked to

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 different people

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 They had audio of one of the

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 initiation rites, which is, you

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 know, guys screaming like, sque

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aling like pigs, but that's

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 pretty typical, shocking for

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 the British, no doubt

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 But, you know, the

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 I mean, the British never do

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 that

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 [Laughter]

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 Well, they don't know that

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 I'm sorry, I'm being your sakes

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, man, here

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 No, no, no, they don't, the

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 British don't know about

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 college initiation, you know,

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 it's like, that's a very

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 foreign concept to them

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 Yeah, they don't have that

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 Well, the idea was that they're

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 all, the Skull and Bones guys

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 are all sort of on the same

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 team, and no matter what

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 happens, I don't believe that

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 for a second

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 No, okay

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 I don't believe that now, I don

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't think so, I mean

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 Well, CNN will only do this if

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 they have something to gain,

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 and if they really made such a

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 radical switch that you're

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 seeing, and I don't have it on

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 here, there's got to be some

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 kind of gain in it for them,

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 you know, someone behind the

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 scenes is saying something to

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 make them do that

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 Yeah, they made some kind of a

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 deal with Kerry, probably, you

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 know, it may not have been,

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 yeah, I mean, that I don't

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 doubt, but that kind of stuff

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 happens, of course it does, I

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 mean, you know, I can extrapol

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ate from my experience in the

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 tech industry that, you know,

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 the other time, I mean, it's a

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 time-warner publication, right,

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 CNN has

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 Yeah

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 There are other time-warner

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 publications that if you want

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 to get on the cover of, you

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 have to, you know, first of all

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, they have to do a deal with

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 you, and they'll never present

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 you in a negative light

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 Right

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 And then you have to do a deal

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 with them, is that you give

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 them a certain amount of access

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 Or how about deregulation?

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 Yeah, any number of different

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 things, you know, I think in

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 the case of CNN, they're sort

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 of scrambling to try to kill

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 Fox, or get on top of Fox again

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, you know, and so, you know, if

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 they're going to compete with

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 Fox, and Fox is going to be

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 with the Republicans, then they

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 kind of have to be with the

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 Democrats, and I don't really

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 care how they do it

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 Dave, listen to what you just

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 said, that sounded like fucking

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 science fiction

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 The Democrats of CNN and the

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 Republicans of Fox, I mean,

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 that's so surreal

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 At the same time, well, okay,

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 so we envision a better future,

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 right, one where, you know, the

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 people are running this show

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 that we fulfill all the promise

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 of the founding fathers and

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 whatever, but we need to

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 survive to get to that

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 Right, and so being highly

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 pragmatic about this, you know,

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 what scares the Jesus out of me

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 is the idea that Bush gets re

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elected, and all of a sudden,

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 you know, that next domino in

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 the axis of evil is North Korea

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, and you know that's going to

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 be fought with nuclear weapons,

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 right?

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 It is, well, you know that my

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 uncle is now, well, not anymore

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, but was doing all the

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 negotiations with North Korea

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 Really?

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 Yeah, he's Donald Greg

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 Uh-huh

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 Look him up

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 And so what would he say?

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 He hates the whole Bush

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 administration, he's a very sta

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unch Republican, he was a

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 personal advisor to Bush Sr.

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 when he was VP

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 And then he was ambassador to

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 Korea

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 Remember when they were

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 throwing rocks and shit over

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 the wall in the embassy in

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 Korea?

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 Uh-huh

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 Yeah, well, my uncle was living

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 there at the time

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 Oh, really?

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 Yeah, and so he heads up the

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 Korean Society, KoreanSociety.

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org, and he's told me literally,

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 I've seen him on CNN a couple

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 of times as well, he's told me

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 literally, he said, "Anim, they

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 have the capability and they

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 will use it because they're

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 just making money."

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 They will use it because they

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're just being pushed into a

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 corner

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 Yeah, yeah, I've heard that too

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, but you know, if you stop and

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 listen to what the North

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 Koreans say, they actually is a

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 logic to it, and they're pretty

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 freaked out, and they didn't

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 like it when Bush called them

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 the Axis of Evil

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 Axis of Evil, yeah, of course

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 And then when they, when we

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 invaded Iraq, of course, that

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 convinced them that they were

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 next, and you know, I think

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 that actually that's fairly

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 rational, I think they're in a

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 pretty good chance they are

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 next

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 And so with the second Bush

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 administration, you know, we're

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 going to see this successor to

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 the Patriot Act, and we're

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 going to see this successor to

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 the war in Iraq

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 And he's not going to have any

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 troops to send into Korea

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 because they're all committed

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 in Iraq, so what choice does he

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 have but to send in the bombers

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 and the heavy, you know, the

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 heavy bombs, and does he have

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 any compunction about that?

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 And no, I don't think he has

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 any filters to say, you know,

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 this is a line that we won't

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 cross. I'd love to hear him say

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 that, I'd love to hear him say,

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 you know

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 That's a line we won't cross,

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 yeah

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 He won't say it, in fact, I

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 think he said the opposite,

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 that, you know, basically all

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 of our tools are on the table

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 and we'll use them all if we

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 feel we need to, so, and you

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 know, so we're not doing any of

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 the things, you know, they give

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 carry shit for having, you know

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, voted for energy conservation

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 and higher taxes on gasoline

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 and stuff like that, but you

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 know, stop and think about it

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 I actually think we should be

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 paying more for gasoline and I

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 think that we're selling our

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 country, you know, we're

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 selling out real cheap, you

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 know, by, you know, using more

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 gas than we can afford to use,

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 so anyway, so we'll buy a

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 little bit of time

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 The bottom line is, or my

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 bottom line, is that no matter

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 what's being said, what

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 documentaries are being made,

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 you know, what allegations are

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 being thrown out there, what

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 military service records, I don

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't have one, by the way, are

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 being disputed, refuted, etc.

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 The scariest thing we can do is

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 promise to go vote

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 Yeah

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 That's gonna scare anybody

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 Yeah, for now at least, I mean,

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 you know, some people think

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 that if Bush loses the election

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, then well, you know, the vote

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 didn't count for some reason

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 Oh, you think there'll be

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 another 2000 moment there?

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 Well, I think it'll be

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 interesting to see if Bush

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 actually goes to Alabama and

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 Mississippi, which were both,

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 or Alabama especially, which

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 was hit by this hurricane, but

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 if he only goes to Florida, you

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 know, I mean

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 That'll be pretty transparent

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 if he does that

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 Yeah, he's going to Florida for

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 sure though, I mean, that's

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 where all the votes are, so

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 anyway, so let's see, what else

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 should we talk about today?

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 Well, there's something I want

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 to talk to you about

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 Um, because, what?

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 Go for it

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 Yeah, what, because we touched

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 on it briefly in a phone

00:16:01.290 --> 00:16:03.000
 conversation a couple days ago

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 about A9.com, the new search

00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:06.000
 engine from,

00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.000
 was it, is Amazon and Alexa?

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 Yeah, and I think it's built on

00:16:12.380 --> 00:16:13.000
 Google

00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:14.390
 On Google, yeah, it seems like

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 I'm getting kind of the same

00:16:15.550 --> 00:16:16.000
 results

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 Did they license that from

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 Google? They have to, I guess,

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 don't they?

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 Yeah, oh yeah, it's built right

00:16:21.250 --> 00:16:22.000
 on top of Google, yeah

00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:23.000
 Okay

00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:24.420
 That's why it's so weird that

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 people say that this is like,

00:16:25.780 --> 00:16:27.370
 you know, threatening to Google

00:16:27.370 --> 00:16:29.080
 in some way, because it looks

00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.080
 like Google has all the upside

00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.000
 Amazon does, you know

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 Now, have you used it?

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 Uh, enough to know that, yes, I

00:16:36.880 --> 00:16:38.320
 have used it enough to know

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 that I'm not interested in it,

00:16:40.330 --> 00:16:41.000
 yeah

00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.000
 I mean, it, you know, it's hard

00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:45.120
 to, somebody asked, like, why I

00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:46.920
 still use IE after all of the,

00:16:46.920 --> 00:16:48.730
 you know, spyware and adware

00:16:48.730 --> 00:16:50.410
 and all that crap, I'm still

00:16:50.410 --> 00:16:52.000
 dealing with it, it's not over

00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.890
 All the assholes that, you know

00:16:53.890 --> 00:16:55.570
, I figured out how to invade

00:16:55.570 --> 00:16:57.540
 before service back to or, we

00:16:57.540 --> 00:16:58.000
'll get back to you

00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.000
 Are now invading SP2, right?

00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.110
 Oh yeah, they're totally there,

00:17:01.110 --> 00:17:02.000
 they're all over it

00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.370
 And now I heard there's this,

00:17:03.370 --> 00:17:04.620
 there's this, you can get a

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 virus through J-Bus

00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.910
 Did you, did you, uh, that, I

00:17:07.910 --> 00:17:09.480
 didn't know that, did you hear

00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:10.000
 a beep just now?

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 No

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 Oh, I just heard it, okay

00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.000
 You have call waiting?

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 No, I don't have call waiting,

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 but it was really interesting,

00:17:17.260 --> 00:17:19.900
 now my email, my email just

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 checked itself, right?

00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:22.400
 Oh, okay, you got a, you got a

00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:23.000
 beep, yeah

00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.670
 Yeah, but you didn't hear the

00:17:24.670 --> 00:17:26.000
 beep, did you?

00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.380
 No, because that's not running

00:17:27.380 --> 00:17:28.400
 through this, I've learned

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 about this, that's not running

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 through your audio driver

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 Right, because if you did hear

00:17:31.430 --> 00:17:32.690
 the beep, that would mean I

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 could play music on the set

00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:35.000
 Oh, I wish

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 And you would hear it, yeah, it

00:17:36.300 --> 00:17:37.000
 would have been something,

00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:37.000
 right?

00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:38.000
 I wish, I wish, now that does

00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:38.000
 it

00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:39.530
 Because, you know, the song for

00:17:39.530 --> 00:17:41.660
 the day, the song for today is,

00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:45.000
 I, I mean, I stumbled across it

00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.000
, it's legalized, but it's not

00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.000
 Legalized

00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:59.000
 Don't criticize it

00:17:59.000 --> 00:17:56.270
 Legalized, yeah, yeah, and I

00:17:56.270 --> 00:18:12.000
 will advertise it

00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:19.000
 Some call it time to kill

00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:25.000
 Some call it to weed

00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:32.000
 Some call it marijuana

00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:38.000
 Some of them call it ganja

00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:45.000
 Legalized, legalized

00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:51.000
 And don't criticize it

00:18:51.000 --> 00:19:01.430
 Legalized, yeah, yeah, and I

00:19:01.430 --> 00:19:05.000
 will advertise it

00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:11.000
 Singer's Smokage

00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:17.000
 And players of instrument too

00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:27.840
 Legalized, yeah, yeah, that's

00:19:27.840 --> 00:19:30.000
 the best thing you can do

00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:38.000
 Dr. Smokage

00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:44.000
 Nurse's Smokage

00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:51.000
 Judges Smokage

00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:57.000
 Even the lawyer too

00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:04.000
 So you got to legalize it

00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:11.000
 And don't criticize it

00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:20.380
 Legalized, yeah, yeah, and I

00:20:20.380 --> 00:20:24.000
 will advertise it

00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:30.000
 It's good for the soul

00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:37.000
 It's good for asthma

00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:43.000
 Good for tumor colosis

00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:50.000
 Even tumor opacoscosis

00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:56.000
 Dr. Legalized

00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:59.000
 Don't criticize it

00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:12.780
 Legalized, yeah, yeah, and I

00:21:12.780 --> 00:21:16.000
 will advertise it

00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:22.000
 Birds

00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:29.000
 And sea love it

00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:36.000
 Fousy day

00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:42.000
 Goes left to play with it

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:49.000
 So you got to legalize it

00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:55.000
 And don't criticize it

00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:04.480
 Legalized, yeah, yeah, and I

00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:07.000
 can't imagine the RIA suing you

00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.000
 for using that one

00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:09.670
 This is coming to you from

00:22:09.670 --> 00:22:11.570
 Belgium where everything's

00:22:11.570 --> 00:22:12.000
 legal

00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.350
 Yeah, exactly, this is coming

00:22:15.350 --> 00:22:16.000
 to you from the United States

00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:18.000
 where absolutely nothing is

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.000
 legal

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.120
 My daughter's sitting here, she

00:22:20.120 --> 00:22:20.730
's in the other side of the room

00:22:20.730 --> 00:22:22.000
, she said, "No, it's not"

00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.260
 She's sitting behind her

00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:27.000
 computer downloading MP3s

00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:31.000
 Yeah, that's amazing

00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:34.000
 You let her do that

00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.000
 Do I let her download MP3s?

00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:37.000
 Yeah, do you?

00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.000
 Yeah, absolutely

00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.340
 Well, we talk about this a lot,

00:22:41.340 --> 00:22:44.400
 she's a big fan of Good

00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:46.000
 Charlotte

00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.590
 And I mean like a really big

00:22:48.590 --> 00:22:49.000
 fan

00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.760
 I buy the legal MP3s of the new

00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:52.000
 CD

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:53.770
 Yeah, she has, okay, so that's

00:22:53.770 --> 00:22:55.000
 Christina in the background

00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:58.000
 She always buys the CDs, in

00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:58.000
 fact

00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.000
 What did she say?

00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.280
 She said, "I'm downloading

00:23:02.280 --> 00:23:04.250
 illegal MP3s of the new album

00:23:04.250 --> 00:23:05.000
 as we speak"

00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.130
 But she's going to go out and

00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:09.560
 buy the album because she likes

00:23:09.560 --> 00:23:11.260
 them, she supports them, I didn

00:23:11.260 --> 00:23:12.000
't force her to do that

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.600
 She buys CDs, why do you buy,

00:23:15.600 --> 00:23:16.690
 Christina, come over here for a

00:23:16.690 --> 00:23:18.000
 second, come over here for one

00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:18.000
 second

00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.350
 Hold on a second Dave, let's

00:23:20.350 --> 00:23:21.000
 get her in here

00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.660
 Hey, Christine, nice to meet

00:23:23.660 --> 00:23:24.000
 you

00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:29.320
 Do you really think that you're

00:23:29.320 --> 00:23:30.000
, do you think...

00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.200
 You know what, I just realized

00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:33.610
 something, I just realized

00:23:33.610 --> 00:23:34.860
 something that her voice may

00:23:34.860 --> 00:23:36.000
 not have been recorded

00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.660
 So I'll just recap what she

00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:41.970
 said, she said that it's taking

00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:43.700
 so long for the album to come

00:23:43.700 --> 00:23:44.000
 out

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.690
 That she's downloading MP3s of

00:23:45.690 --> 00:23:47.000
 people who've recorded it

00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:48.240
 And when it does come out, she

00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:49.440
's going to buy the album, she

00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.000
 always does

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.000
 Now, do you think that that's

00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:53.920
 typical or do you think she's

00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:55.000
 unusual in that?

00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:56.210
 I think she's very typical, I

00:23:56.210 --> 00:23:58.000
 think that's what most kids do

00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:00.140
 I mean, the thing is, they get

00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:03.580
 all this entertainment through

00:24:03.580 --> 00:24:04.000
 MTV

00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.240
 And I'm sure, I don't know what

00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.320
 it's like in the States, but

00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:09.970
 here we have four different

00:24:09.970 --> 00:24:11.000
 music video channels

00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.250
 You know, it's like she sits in

00:24:13.250 --> 00:24:15.250
 front of the TV with MSN, she's

00:24:15.250 --> 00:24:16.000
 chatting to her friends

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.410
 You know, they can SMS onto the

00:24:18.410 --> 00:24:19.800
 screen, I don't think she does

00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:20.000
 that

00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.680
 But you know, people, there's a

00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.060
 lower third banner running

00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:24.000
 across the screen

00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.540
 So people basically chatting

00:24:25.540 --> 00:24:27.200
 via SMS, that's then broadcast

00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.000
 on television

00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.730
 So they're watching the videos

00:24:31.730 --> 00:24:34.000
 and they're consuming it, you

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:34.000
 know

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:34.900
 And then they only buy the

00:24:34.900 --> 00:24:36.060
 stuff that they really, I think

00:24:36.060 --> 00:24:37.250
 really want to support that

00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:38.000
 they're big fans of

00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.000
 They don't just go out and buy

00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:39.000
 stuff

00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:40.190
 I got to interrupt you, I got

00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:41.000
 to interrupt you for a second

00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.100
 They're running a great ad for

00:24:42.100 --> 00:24:43.430
 Carrie on CNN right now, which

00:24:43.430 --> 00:24:44.000
 you can see it

00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.580
 You use a technique that is

00:24:45.580 --> 00:24:46.870
 incredible, I just tuned into

00:24:46.870 --> 00:24:47.000
 it

00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:48.460
 They have a picture speaking at

00:24:48.460 --> 00:24:49.780
 the beginning, sort of saying

00:24:49.780 --> 00:24:51.000
 something really stupid about

00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:51.000
 it

00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.330
 It's an economic program, but

00:24:53.330 --> 00:24:54.520
 they have this picture postage

00:24:54.520 --> 00:24:55.000
 stamp size

00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.000
 And it's kind of grainy

00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.850
 And then they get the citizens

00:24:58.850 --> 00:25:00.460
 come on and comment, they're

00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:02.260
 full screen and it's all high

00:25:02.260 --> 00:25:03.000
 fidelity

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.540
 They make this tiny little

00:25:05.540 --> 00:25:06.000
 idiot

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.130
 But that's how it works, man,

00:25:08.130 --> 00:25:09.000
 that's how it works

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.120
 I know, I know it's beautiful,

00:25:11.120 --> 00:25:12.940
 it's great, we got to copy that

00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:13.000
 shit

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.190
 We're going all the way with

00:25:15.190 --> 00:25:16.000
 this thing at them

00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.280
 We're going to do like, you

00:25:18.280 --> 00:25:21.140
 know, radio broadcast, radio,

00:25:21.140 --> 00:25:22.820
 and then we're going to go for

00:25:22.820 --> 00:25:23.000
 TV too

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.310
 Why not? As long as I can stay

00:25:25.310 --> 00:25:27.430
 at home and use my webcam, that

00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:28.000
's fine

00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.630
 Yeah, well, I mean, you might

00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:32.010
 have to have a camera crew

00:25:32.010 --> 00:25:34.000
 there along with your webcam

00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.000
 Oh boo, bah-hum-bah

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.000
 You don't think so, huh?

00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.000
 Well, no, we don't need that

00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.000
 You've been there since that

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.740
 We did our reality show that

00:25:41.740 --> 00:25:43.000
 was broadcast here

00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.120
 And we got humongous ratings,

00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:46.690
 even on the third repeat of the

00:25:46.690 --> 00:25:47.000
 show

00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.850
 We did it with one cameraman

00:25:49.850 --> 00:25:52.420
 who was using a DV cam, which

00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:54.000
 is basically a prosumer device

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:55.630
 We had two sets of wireless

00:25:55.630 --> 00:25:57.340
 mics, one of which I'm still

00:25:57.340 --> 00:25:58.000
 using now

00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.160
 And we did the whole show with

00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.590
 one editor on Max with Final

00:26:03.590 --> 00:26:06.200
 Cut Pro and was broadcast

00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:07.000
 nationally

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.490
 You know, it didn't hurt the

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:11.000
 ratings that it was done on

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:11.000
 prosumer

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:12.310
 Alright, so you know how to

00:26:12.310 --> 00:26:13.000
 make it look good with...

00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.000
 Yeah, yeah, definitely

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.110
 With people's hardware,

00:26:17.110 --> 00:26:18.000
 basically

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.630
 But that's what it is, all this

00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:21.330
 stuff with these radio shows or

00:26:21.330 --> 00:26:22.710
 audio shows, it's the same

00:26:22.710 --> 00:26:23.000
 thing

00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:23.800
 You've got to know what you're

00:26:23.800 --> 00:26:25.000
 doing, it's all in there

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.680
 You can achieve the same, if

00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.500
 not better results as you could

00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:30.000
 in a professional setup

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.000
 There's no two ways about it

00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.740
 Alright, let's go through some

00:26:33.740 --> 00:26:35.000
 of the hot items for today

00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.360
 Like, I want to talk with you a

00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:39.710
 little bit about the Firefox R

00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:41.850
SS controversy that sort of

00:26:41.850 --> 00:26:43.000
 popped up today

00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:44.000
 Do you know what that is?

00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.990
 Yeah, I've been following the

00:26:45.990 --> 00:26:46.000
...

00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:47.300
 Now, let me see if I understand

00:26:47.300 --> 00:26:48.000
 what's happened

00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.000
 That Firefox, which is...

00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.000
 Is that a Mozilla derivative?

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:53.000
 Is that what that is?

00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:54.000
 Yeah

00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.540
 Okay, so it's a web browser and

00:26:56.540 --> 00:27:00.000
 it now can recognize RSS feeds

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.180
 And from what I understand, it

00:27:01.180 --> 00:27:03.090
's doing kind of like half or

00:27:03.090 --> 00:27:04.560
 maybe even one-eighth of what

00:27:04.560 --> 00:27:06.000
 Apple is planning with Safari

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.000
 and RSS

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:08.550
 We can basically bookmark an R

00:27:08.550 --> 00:27:10.110
SS feed and then from that book

00:27:10.110 --> 00:27:11.670
mark, you get a hierarchical

00:27:11.670 --> 00:27:15.260
 menu with new elements that

00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:16.000
 have shown up

00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:17.000
 Is that kind of what it does?

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.090
 Yeah, it sounds like we finally

00:27:19.090 --> 00:27:20.250
 got to the bottom of it and

00:27:20.250 --> 00:27:22.450
 that's pretty much what you're

00:27:22.450 --> 00:27:23.000
 seeing

00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.730
 And they only understand feeds

00:27:25.730 --> 00:27:28.200
 that are the title, link,

00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.000
 description format

00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.020
 And so if you, like with my

00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:34.230
 blog, only some of the items

00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:37.440
 actually have titles and almost

00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.000
 never have links

00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.990
 So if you're missing one of

00:27:40.990 --> 00:27:43.550
 those elements, then it doesn't

00:27:43.550 --> 00:27:44.000
 take

00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.160
 I'm not exactly sure how cripp

00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.000
led it is, but yeah

00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.210
 It either doesn't recognize the

00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:52.480
 feed at all or it only

00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.900
 recognizes items that have

00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:55.000
 those three elements

00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.450
 But it's like, you know, I don

00:27:57.450 --> 00:28:00.000
't know how to say this politely

00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:01.760
 Don't, this is what trade

00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:02.740
 secrets are supposed to be

00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:03.000
 about there

00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.420
 Well, I know, but people get

00:28:04.420 --> 00:28:07.000
 sensitive and they think that

00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.560
 if I say something that isn't

00:28:09.560 --> 00:28:12.000
 positive about their irrigator

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:12.000
 or whatever

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:13.050
 Well then just don't say

00:28:13.050 --> 00:28:14.510
 something negative, it's

00:28:14.510 --> 00:28:16.460
 positive criticism, come on,

00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:17.500
 this is what people want to

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:18.000
 hear about that

00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.180
 No, thanks for that, it really

00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:25.270
 helps, but it reminds me of

00:28:25.270 --> 00:28:28.670
 what happened with Outliners in

00:28:28.670 --> 00:28:30.000
 the 80s

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.250
 I mean we came out with an Out

00:28:31.250 --> 00:28:32.790
liner and designed a product for

00:28:32.790 --> 00:28:34.000
 organizing your thinking

00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.060
 And that was the center of what

00:28:36.060 --> 00:28:37.000
 we were doing

00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.090
 Everything was judged, every

00:28:39.090 --> 00:28:41.090
 feature was judged by how well

00:28:41.090 --> 00:28:43.000
 it suited that application

00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.910
 And then the word processor

00:28:44.910 --> 00:28:47.160
 guys, WordPerfect first, and

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.380
 Microsoft, they all added

00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:50.730
 features that they called Out

00:28:50.730 --> 00:28:51.000
lining

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.540
 But didn't do that, they didn't

00:28:55.540 --> 00:28:58.180
 support the ideation creative

00:28:58.180 --> 00:28:59.000
 process

00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.310
 And they were basically

00:29:00.310 --> 00:29:02.340
 formatting, I mean WordPerfect

00:29:02.340 --> 00:29:03.750
 basically, what they called Out

00:29:03.750 --> 00:29:05.540
lining allowed you to put Roman

00:29:05.540 --> 00:29:06.000
 numerals

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.050
 And then section headings, they

00:29:08.050 --> 00:29:09.320
 basically used the Harvard Out

00:29:09.320 --> 00:29:10.580
line format, it was a printing

00:29:10.580 --> 00:29:12.000
 formatting thing

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.980
 But they called that Outlining

00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:16.140
 and people got really confused,

00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:18.000
 which was really unfortunate

00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.000
 And the whole idea got diluted

00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:23.090
 and, you know, I think it

00:29:23.090 --> 00:29:24.500
 turned into PowerPoint, Outlin

00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:26.000
ers turned into PowerPoint

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.560
 Right, so even that was a

00:29:27.560 --> 00:29:29.280
 better Outliner than Word

00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:32.510
Perfect was, or Word, at least

00:29:32.510 --> 00:29:34.740
 they were doing what Outliners

00:29:34.740 --> 00:29:36.000
 were roughly supposed to do

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.000
 Although not all that well

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.800
 But the same thing is happening

00:29:39.800 --> 00:29:41.390
 with aggregators now, and I'm

00:29:41.390 --> 00:29:42.000
 really...

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.020
 Now this is the extreme example

00:29:45.020 --> 00:29:46.240
, that's not an aggregator, it's

00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:47.000
 not even very useful

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.080
 It's sort of a gimmick to be

00:29:49.080 --> 00:29:50.000
 able to say...

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.340
 To say RSS inside, that's what

00:29:52.340 --> 00:29:53.000
 it's for

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.420
 Yeah, we do RSS, but what

00:29:55.420 --> 00:29:56.510
 happens is people look at it

00:29:56.510 --> 00:29:57.910
 and they go, well, jeez, that

00:29:57.910 --> 00:29:59.000
 doesn't seem very useful

00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.030
 And then they conclude from

00:30:00.030 --> 00:30:01.000
 that that RSS is very useful

00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.000
 RSS sucks, right, right, right

00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.590
 Right, and I hate to see that

00:30:04.590 --> 00:30:05.000
 happen

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.110
 So, and I think that, you know,

00:30:08.110 --> 00:30:10.780
 if they want to support RSS in

00:30:10.780 --> 00:30:12.000
 the browser

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.350
 The way to do it is to

00:30:13.350 --> 00:30:15.560
 basically emulate a web server

00:30:15.560 --> 00:30:17.000
 inside the browser

00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:18.740
 And do a real aggregator that

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:20.560
 goes and gets the news every,

00:30:20.560 --> 00:30:22.590
 you know, period of time, every

00:30:22.590 --> 00:30:23.000
 hour

00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.310
 And then it goes to you in

00:30:24.310 --> 00:30:26.120
 reverse chronological order so

00:30:26.120 --> 00:30:27.300
 that you can actually get the

00:30:27.300 --> 00:30:28.550
 leverage that an aggregator

00:30:28.550 --> 00:30:29.000
 provides

00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.000
 So, you know, this is like...

00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.820
 Once we get to the bottom of it

00:30:32.820 --> 00:30:34.540
, I go, oh jeez, here we go

00:30:34.540 --> 00:30:35.000
 again, you know

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:36.970
 But, you know, I don't think

00:30:36.970 --> 00:30:38.530
 that the feature is worth

00:30:38.530 --> 00:30:40.000
 bending the feeds for

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.180
 I mean, the feeds are doing

00:30:41.180 --> 00:30:42.320
 something useful and if the

00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:43.080
 tool doesn't want to do

00:30:43.080 --> 00:30:45.000
 something useful with it, well,

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:45.000
 you know

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.210
 Maybe they can try again, and

00:30:47.210 --> 00:30:48.230
 you know, since it's still a

00:30:48.230 --> 00:30:49.210
 course, of course, maybe

00:30:49.210 --> 00:30:50.000
 somebody else can help them out

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.000
 there

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.000
 Right, well I am...

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.320
 I certainly do want to help

00:30:52.320 --> 00:30:53.000
 there myself

00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:54.360
 Yeah, just from looking at the

00:30:54.360 --> 00:30:55.990
 screenshots, I immediately knew

00:30:55.990 --> 00:30:57.180
 this is something I did not

00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:58.000
 need to download, you know

00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.150
 I was like, no, that's not

00:30:59.150 --> 00:31:00.000
 going to do it for me

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.370
 It's one billionth as

00:31:01.370 --> 00:31:03.400
 interesting as what's going on

00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.000
 in the enclosures world

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.770
 Excuse me, we're also running

00:31:07.770 --> 00:31:10.000
 into similar issues there

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.920
 Although from a different

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.670
 vantage point where on iPodder.

00:31:14.670 --> 00:31:15.000
org

00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:16.580
 Where, you know, the iPodder is

00:31:16.580 --> 00:31:18.000
 just intended to be very simple

00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.420
 You know, all it's intended to

00:31:19.420 --> 00:31:20.720
 do is to bring in these enclos

00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:21.550
ures from feeds that are

00:31:21.550 --> 00:31:22.770
 subscribed to and drop them

00:31:22.770 --> 00:31:24.000
 onto your MP3 player

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.000
 That's it

00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.800
 And since there's basically a

00:31:27.800 --> 00:31:30.480
 lack of RSS feeds with enclos

00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:31.000
ures

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:32.670
 A couple of developers have

00:31:32.670 --> 00:31:34.100
 said, oh, well look, I've

00:31:34.100 --> 00:31:36.080
 modified this now, so it scrap

00:31:36.080 --> 00:31:37.000
es the HTML

00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:40.000
 Which, although a great feature

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.800
, you know, it does not... it

00:31:41.800 --> 00:31:43.520
 totally detracts from what we

00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:45.000
're trying to accomplish

00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.130
 Yeah, that's a sophisticated

00:31:48.130 --> 00:31:50.020
 thought that you want to sort

00:31:50.020 --> 00:31:51.430
 of be a little picky about what

00:31:51.430 --> 00:31:52.000
 you're doing

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.720
 Because you're not just looking

00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.000
 for the functionality, right?

00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:56.110
 You're actually trying to

00:31:56.110 --> 00:31:57.000
 evangelize a format

00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.970
 You're trying to get people up

00:31:58.970 --> 00:32:01.000
 to a certain level so that then

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.440
, presumably, we can ask them to

00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:04.000
 do more, right?

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.140
 That shouldn't necessarily be

00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:07.000
 the end of it, you know

00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.180
 But they have to basically

00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:11.260
 support RSS 2.0 and the

00:32:11.260 --> 00:32:12.000
 enclosure feature

00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.730
 And then, you know, then we're

00:32:13.730 --> 00:32:15.000
 starting to get somewhere

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:16.670
 I also see that you're, you

00:32:16.670 --> 00:32:18.170
 know, and I think you're doing

00:32:18.170 --> 00:32:19.000
 this the right way

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.400
 That part, it's hard because

00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.630
 what you're trying to do there

00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:23.000
 is say, hold on a minute

00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.400
 This isn't, you know, let's not

00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.000
 go that route

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:27.080
 And I heard you say that in the

00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:29.460
 source code that I listened to

00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:30.000
 last night

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:31.200
 I haven't listened to the

00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.000
 current one yet, but...

00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.360
 Don't worry, I said the same

00:32:34.360 --> 00:32:35.000
 thing again

00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.120
 Yeah, and you're gonna... but

00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:38.000
 that's gonna be the harder one

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.120
 The one that's easier is to

00:32:40.120 --> 00:32:42.550
 continue drill on the need for

00:32:42.550 --> 00:32:44.000
 easy installers

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.000
 Oh, man, yeah

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.330
 Right, and that's also very

00:32:47.330 --> 00:32:48.790
 important is because the

00:32:48.790 --> 00:32:51.000
 expectation of a user is that,

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:51.000
 you know

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.260
 There's a certain level of

00:32:52.260 --> 00:32:53.590
 professionalism that they

00:32:53.590 --> 00:32:54.000
 expect

00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.330
 And if they don't see it, they

00:32:55.330 --> 00:32:56.000
 don't trust it

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.000
 Right

00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.720
 And, you know, it's not

00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.000
 entirely logical

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.510
 You know, the inference isn't

00:33:02.510 --> 00:33:04.000
 entirely logical

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.000
 But the people think that way

00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.310
 and programmers generally don't

00:33:07.310 --> 00:33:08.000
 understand that

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.720
 They don't get it, that people

00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.260
... that they have to cater to

00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:14.000
 people's irrationalities

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.330
 That that's, you know, the

00:33:15.330 --> 00:33:17.000
 unfortunate or fortunate,

00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:17.000
 actually

00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.980
 There's nothing wrong with

00:33:18.980 --> 00:33:21.000
 giving people what they want

00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.580
 If it doesn't get in the way of

00:33:22.580 --> 00:33:24.350
, you know, of making the whole

00:33:24.350 --> 00:33:25.000
 thing work

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.960
 The problem is, of course, is

00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:28.590
 when people want things that

00:33:28.590 --> 00:33:29.000
 break

00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.430
 Want features that break the

00:33:30.430 --> 00:33:31.000
 basic idea

00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:32.500
 Like, for example, people

00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:34.000
 wanted WYSIWYG with the web,

00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:34.000
 you know

00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:35.660
 That was the first thing, you

00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:37.120
 know, as the web came along, it

00:33:37.120 --> 00:33:37.870
 was the first thing everybody

00:33:37.870 --> 00:33:38.000
 said

00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.120
 Well, you know, let me know

00:33:39.120 --> 00:33:40.000
 when this is WYSIWYG

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.740
 But the problem is the web wasn

00:33:41.740 --> 00:33:43.000
't a WYSI environment

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.000
 So it couldn't ever be WYSIWYG

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.020
 But marketing guys hired

00:33:47.020 --> 00:33:48.610
 programmers and they said

00:33:48.610 --> 00:33:49.000
 basically if you...

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.000
 Go make it WYSIWYG

00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.400
 Right, we'll fire you and the

00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.000
 programmers will come back and

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:54.000
 say

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:55.620
 "Well, we can't because the web

00:33:55.620 --> 00:33:57.000
 isn't a WYSI environment"

00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.720
 And they go, "There you go,

00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:00.000
 programmers are so difficult"

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.000
 You know what I mean?

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.660
 I hear you, actually, it's so

00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:08.220
 funny because I listened to the

00:34:08.220 --> 00:34:09.480
 interaction between you and

00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:11.000
 Andrew Grummit yesterday

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.030
 And, you know, as the day

00:34:13.030 --> 00:34:14.990
 before that you were describing

00:34:14.990 --> 00:34:15.000
, you know

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.270
 The automated process for

00:34:17.270 --> 00:34:19.470
 creating an RSS feed from a

00:34:19.470 --> 00:34:21.000
 folder of Mp3 files, right?

00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.110
 Using the ID3 information,

00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:24.350
 which was something we had

00:34:24.350 --> 00:34:25.000
 talked about

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.590
 And you sort of said, "Well,

00:34:27.590 --> 00:34:29.190
 you know, this has just got to

00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:30.000
 be made easier"

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.350
 And, you know, I'm sure

00:34:31.350 --> 00:34:33.000
 somebody will figure this out

00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.440
 And as I was thinking it

00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.000
 through, I was going, you know,

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:36.000
 it's just simply...

00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.950
 There's something that just can

00:34:37.950 --> 00:34:39.000
't be made easier

00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.000
 And that's one of them

00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:42.530
 So, you know, Andrew basically

00:34:42.530 --> 00:34:43.000
 said that

00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.850
 But there's this moment where

00:34:44.850 --> 00:34:46.240
 the user has to create the

00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:47.000
 association

00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.060
 Between the name of the folder

00:34:49.060 --> 00:34:51.420
 on some hard disk somewhere and

00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:52.000
 a URL

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.240
 As you use to access that

00:34:53.240 --> 00:34:54.000
 folder over the web

00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:55.630
 And I think probably, if I

00:34:55.630 --> 00:34:56.650
 understood what Andrew was

00:34:56.650 --> 00:34:58.000
 saying correctly

00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:59.280
 I think he probably found the

00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.000
 sweet spot in it

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.000
 However, it's got a flaw to it

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.250
 Which is that you have to be

00:35:03.250 --> 00:35:04.560
 able to run software on your

00:35:04.560 --> 00:35:05.000
 server

00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.580
 And probably so many people don

00:35:07.580 --> 00:35:10.000
't have the ability to do that

00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.000
 That there's probably not...

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.750
 The only way to get around this

00:35:13.750 --> 00:35:15.120
 one, I think, is to offer a

00:35:15.120 --> 00:35:16.000
 hosting service for this stuff

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.000
 And I don't want to do that

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.660
 Well, I think there's another

00:35:21.660 --> 00:35:23.000
 way around it

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.360
 Because now you hit on three

00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:26.000
 points

00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.440
 First of all, I think Andrew

00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.630
 hit the brilliance of what his

00:35:30.630 --> 00:35:33.000
 DIR2 RSS script is

00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.120
 The fact that it's doing

00:35:35.120 --> 00:35:36.000
 exactly that

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.000
 It's sitting in a folder

00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.590
 If you understand the concept

00:35:39.590 --> 00:35:40.000
 of that

00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.010
 Then you can understand what's

00:35:42.010 --> 00:35:43.000
 kind of needed

00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.480
 The big problem that we're

00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:45.000
 running...

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.310
 I'm not running into, but that

00:35:46.310 --> 00:35:47.000
 we're going to run into

00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:48.170
 With anyone who does something

00:35:48.170 --> 00:35:49.000
 like this regularly

00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:50.390
 And doesn't have money to fuck

00:35:50.390 --> 00:35:51.000
 around with

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.000
 Is bandwidth

00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.000
 Storage is one thing

00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.290
 I've just been doing this for a

00:35:55.290 --> 00:35:56.000
 couple of weeks

00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:57.350
 And I already have half a gig

00:35:57.350 --> 00:35:59.000
 of mp3 files that I've created

00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.000
 But bandwidth

00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.000
 You get one slash dot

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.730
 And people say, "Oh, well, let

00:36:06.730 --> 00:36:08.000
 me go listen to all these shows

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:08.000
"

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.000
 Or "Let me install iPodder"

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.990
 And then you get the 10 most

00:36:12.990 --> 00:36:14.000
 recent entries

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:15.360
 Or I think I even said a little

00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:16.000
 bit smaller

00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.000
 The five most recent entries

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:22.000
 Times an average of 20 megs

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.010
 But you're on your way to

00:36:23.010 --> 00:36:24.000
 solving this problem

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.000
 Here's how that's working

00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:27.960
 The way you're going to solve

00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.500
 it, as I see it, is with this

00:36:29.500 --> 00:36:31.000
 mail list that you've got going

00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:32.420
 What's it called? iPodder

00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:33.000
 developer?

00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.000
 Yeah, it's a Yahoo group

00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:36.470
 Here's the steps that we go

00:36:36.470 --> 00:36:37.720
 through to solve the bandwidth

00:36:37.720 --> 00:36:38.000
 problem

00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:39.640
 We know that BitTorrent is at

00:36:39.640 --> 00:36:41.000
 the core of the solution here

00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.000
 The problem with BitTorrent

00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.210
 And I found this after I

00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:46.000
 finally decided to use it

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.210
 I was in Madison, Wisconsin, a

00:36:48.210 --> 00:36:49.000
 few weeks ago

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:50.640
 And I was getting ready to go

00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:52.000
 into the Netherlands

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.430
 Not your Netherlands, but the

00:36:54.430 --> 00:36:55.000
 wilderness of the matter

00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.100
 This is where you ping me and

00:36:57.100 --> 00:36:58.000
 you say "Honor the BitTorrent"

00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.700
 I try to find something that I

00:37:00.700 --> 00:37:02.000
 can download

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:03.270
 Because none of this shit is

00:37:03.270 --> 00:37:04.000
 downloadable

00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.140
 They make this big promise that

00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:07.000
 "Hey, BitTorrent is so cool"

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.780
 But nobody actually is hosting

00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:11.000
 enough of the content for me

00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:12.720
 To be able to download the

00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:14.000
 things that I want

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.000
 So, right

00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.130
 If we want to use BitTorrent,

00:37:18.130 --> 00:37:19.000
 and I think we do

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.560
 Because that's how we solve the

00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:21.000
 problem

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.500
 Then we have to solve the next

00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:23.000
 problem

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.890
 How can we be sure that there's

00:37:24.890 --> 00:37:26.190
 at least five places to

00:37:26.190 --> 00:37:27.000
 download it from

00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.000
 On a given day?

00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.000
 Yeah

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.000
 I've been thinking about this

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.000
 because

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.000
 You're absolutely right

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.600
 Let me just recount what

00:37:37.600 --> 00:37:38.000
 happened there

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.560
 You wanted to download some

00:37:39.560 --> 00:37:40.000
 movies

00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.120
 Specifically, you wanted to

00:37:41.120 --> 00:37:42.000
 download some old SNLs

00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.000
 Saturday Night Live

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.220
 Which I don't think there are

00:37:46.220 --> 00:37:46.990
 hardly any Saturday Night Live

00:37:46.990 --> 00:37:48.000
 BitTorrents

00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.330
 But I said, "BitTorrent really

00:37:50.330 --> 00:37:51.000
 works best

00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.110
 When something is new,

00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:54.000
 something is fresh

00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.000
 And everybody wants it because

00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:56.000
 what you get then

00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.010
 Is asking people to keep their

00:38:00.010 --> 00:38:01.000
 application open

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.000
 To see the file is horseshit

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.760
 That's almost like saying "Pain

00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:05.000
ty"

00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.000
 Because you're using bandwidth,

00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:07.000
 etc

00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.220
 And you can't count on people

00:38:09.220 --> 00:38:10.000
 to do that

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.000
 They're going to leech

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:12.470
 But with BitTorrent, from what

00:38:12.470 --> 00:38:13.000
 I understand

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.410
 The brilliance of it is that if

00:38:15.410 --> 00:38:17.000
 you download one megabyte

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.020
 You're probably pushing up a

00:38:19.020 --> 00:38:20.000
 meg and a half

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:21.000
 Okay?

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.000
 So there's a formula in there

00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.120
 And if on one day, across a 24-

00:38:27.120 --> 00:38:28.000
hour spectrum

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.560
 People say, "Okay, we all want

00:38:30.560 --> 00:38:31.000
 this show"

00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.210
 I'm right there with you, I've

00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:33.000
 already figured that out

00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.000
 We've already got that

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.900
 I know, but our listeners haven

00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:36.000
't, Dave

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.000
 Oh, yeah, I forgot about them

00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.000
 Go ahead, go ahead

00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:41.300
 Yeah, I guess you've got to

00:38:41.300 --> 00:38:42.000
 include them in here

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:43.000
 What the hell?

00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.000
 Let them figure it out

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.000
 Yeah, you figure it out

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.000
 We'll clutch here ourselves

00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.010
 Let me just summarize what Adam

00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:51.000
 was going to say

00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.510
 Don't forget to mention the

00:38:53.510 --> 00:38:54.000
 part

00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.300
 Yeah, well, there's a lot of

00:38:55.300 --> 00:38:56.000
 porn involved in this

00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.000
 Okay?

00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:59.000
 But here's the deal

00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.320
 You need to have places that

00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:01.000
 are actually...

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.490
 A current thing, like your

00:39:03.490 --> 00:39:04.700
 source code is perfect for BitT

00:39:04.700 --> 00:39:05.000
orrent

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.000
 Right?

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.180
 Because at any given moment,

00:39:08.180 --> 00:39:10.000
 there's one current one

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.670
 Same thing is true with this

00:39:11.670 --> 00:39:12.000
 show

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.070
 There's only going to be one

00:39:14.070 --> 00:39:15.000
 current one

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.430
 So what we have to make sure is

00:39:17.430 --> 00:39:18.000
 that

00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.420
 Before or concurrent with the

00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:23.000
 release of it

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.360
 We've got five people, maybe on

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.000
 a rotating basis

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.000
 Who are willing to have it open

00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:30.700
 In other words, premeditate

00:39:30.700 --> 00:39:31.000
 that

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.630
 I'll give you another case in

00:39:32.630 --> 00:39:33.000
 point

00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.270
 The other day, Boing Boing had

00:39:35.270 --> 00:39:37.000
 a BitTorrent of...

00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000
 I forget what it was, but it

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:39.000
 was...

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.780
 Yeah, I wish I remembered what

00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:41.000
 it was, but I can't

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.820
 But it was something that was

00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:44.000
 mildly instinctive

00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:45.910
 I said, "Okay, Boing Boing is a

00:39:45.910 --> 00:39:47.000
 high-flow block, right?"

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.650
 So I figure if I click on the

00:39:48.650 --> 00:39:49.000
 link

00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:49.990
 I'm going to be able to

00:39:49.990 --> 00:39:51.000
 download this thing

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.000
 No way

00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.200
 It missed the bootstrap, it

00:39:54.200 --> 00:39:55.000
 didn't have enough

00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:56.520
 So in other words, to make BitT

00:39:56.520 --> 00:39:57.000
orrent work

00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.000
 It's not enough just to put up

00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.000
 the torrent file

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.000
 And hope for the best

00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.160
 You actually also have to get

00:40:03.160 --> 00:40:05.000
 five or whatever the number is

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.580
 Let me throw this at you for a

00:40:06.580 --> 00:40:07.000
 second

00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.020
 I've posted a couple of BitTor

00:40:11.020 --> 00:40:13.000
rent RSS feeds

00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.000
 Just testing stuff

00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.000
 And what I found...

00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.000
 The bootstrap that I would use

00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.000
 in this case

00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.160
 Is I have a BitTorrent client

00:40:21.160 --> 00:40:22.000
 and server

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.210
 Running on a server in my data

00:40:24.210 --> 00:40:25.000
 facility

00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.000
 So I upload my torrent

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.130
 And it's basically sitting

00:40:30.130 --> 00:40:31.000
 there open

00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.000
 So it always has one node

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.070
 My theory was there should be

00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:36.000
 no difference

00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.000
 Between me having a web server

00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.000
 With an mp3 file on it

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.420
 That people can click and

00:40:43.420 --> 00:40:44.000
 download it

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.480
 To me having a file on a web

00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:46.000
 server

00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:47.830
 That you get to through BitTor

00:40:47.830 --> 00:40:48.000
rent

00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.000
 It should make no difference,

00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:49.000
 right?

00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.000
 You don't need five people

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.000
 And get it?

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.770
 Yeah, no, I've had no problems

00:40:52.770 --> 00:40:53.000
 at all

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.000
 But that is a bootstrap

00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.000
 Because the ultimate fantasy

00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.530
 Is to just have my computer at

00:41:01.530 --> 00:41:02.000
 home

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.000
 Just let that be the one node

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.000
 if I'm publishing

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.000
 And if you're publishing

00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.000
 If you want to broadcast

00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.380
 There's gotta be some pain

00:41:11.380 --> 00:41:12.000
 somewhere, right?

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:13.650
 I don't have a problem with

00:41:13.650 --> 00:41:14.000
 that

00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.190
 I think that I'm willing to do

00:41:16.190 --> 00:41:17.000
 an experiment with this

00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.000
 If you want

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.610
 First of all, let me ask you a

00:41:19.610 --> 00:41:20.000
 question

00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.450
 Are you willing to host these

00:41:21.450 --> 00:41:22.000
 things

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.770
 On a torrent server up on your

00:41:23.770 --> 00:41:24.000
 place?

00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.000
 Yeah, these shows? Of course

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.000
 Okay, definitely

00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.000
 Of course, you've been doing it

00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.000
 with the daily source code

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.000
 The source code isn't...

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.790
 Exactly, that's not a BitTor

00:41:34.790 --> 00:41:36.000
rent download

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:37.670
 But of course, I have it all

00:41:37.670 --> 00:41:38.000
 set up

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.000
 Why not?

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.240
 For exactly the reasons you

00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:41.000
 just mentioned

00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.240
 I didn't want people to fall

00:41:42.240 --> 00:41:43.000
 off the edge of the map

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:44.680
 I want them to get the fucking

00:41:44.680 --> 00:41:45.000
 show

00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.000
 Yeah, well, okay

00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:49.000
 Maybe we ought to do both,

00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:49.000
 though

00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:50.370
 So that people want to help

00:41:50.370 --> 00:41:51.000
 bootstrap

00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.680
 I mean, the beauty of the mail

00:41:52.680 --> 00:41:54.000
 list that you've got there

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.000
 Is that it is sort of...

00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.200
 It's like the early days of

00:41:59.200 --> 00:42:00.000
 Frontier

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.630
 The mail list, we went for like

00:42:01.630 --> 00:42:02.720
 two years without a single

00:42:02.720 --> 00:42:03.000
 flame

00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.380
 It was just like this great

00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:05.000
 community

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.000
 And everybody was pitching in

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:08.000
 to help

00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.650
 Actually, it was more than two

00:42:09.650 --> 00:42:10.000
 years

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.000
 And so it's a great time to say

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.320
 Okay, let's do some things that

00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.000
 are good for the internet

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.000
 And they'll go for it, I think

00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.000
 And this is a beautiful thing

00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:22.000
 because it doesn't require

00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.820
 That you be a developer to do

00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:24.000
 it

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.910
 You just have to be a technical

00:42:25.910 --> 00:42:26.000
 user

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.500
 To set up BitTorrent on your

00:42:27.500 --> 00:42:28.000
 desktop

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.000
 That's not a big deal

00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.320
 If you've got a good pipe to

00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.000
 the internet

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:32.000
 Then that's great

00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.000
 I now have a great pipe

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.390
 I've got a high band with a

00:42:35.390 --> 00:42:37.000
 cable set up here

00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.000
 I'm smoking a great pipe, Dave

00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.000
 Yeah, you're...

00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.000
 Oh, yeah, well, you know

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.000
 God will get you...

00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:48.000
 Maude used to say that

00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.000
 Walter God will get you for

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:50.000
 that one

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.000
 Oh

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.000
 So we got a couple of questions

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.000
 I want to switch

00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:55.730
 Can I just finish up on the Bit

00:42:55.730 --> 00:42:57.000
Torrent really quick

00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:58.450
 Because I think that I'd love

00:42:58.450 --> 00:42:59.000
 to do that

00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.000
 And of course I'm going to host

00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:01.830
 all the tests that we're going

00:43:01.830 --> 00:43:02.000
 to do

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.000
 But I think the real, as we say

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.000
, the egg of Columbus

00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:10.280
 Is combining iPodder with

00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.000
 publishing and receiving

00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.000
 And BitTorrent all in one

00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.580
 I mean, if we can have one

00:43:15.580 --> 00:43:16.000
 thing

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:17.320
 And you have two folders on

00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.000
 your desktop

00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.510
 One is for receiving, one is

00:43:19.510 --> 00:43:20.000
 for sending

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.760
 And the stuff that comes into

00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:23.000
 the receive folder

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.200
 It may go automatically

00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:25.000
 somewhere else

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:26.570
 But I think it's got to be that

00:43:26.570 --> 00:43:27.000
 simple

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:28.000
 It does

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.150
 And I would encourage you at

00:43:30.150 --> 00:43:31.000
 this moment

00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.590
 Not to worry too much about the

00:43:32.590 --> 00:43:34.000
 brain dead simplicity

00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.120
 I think what you're doing is

00:43:36.120 --> 00:43:37.000
 incredibly valuable

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.000
 You're defining the feature set

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.810
 Of what the ideal product will

00:43:41.810 --> 00:43:42.000
 be

00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.800
 And I plan to work on this once

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:45.000
 we...

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.070
 I mean, and that doesn't mean I

00:43:46.070 --> 00:43:47.510
'm the only one that plans to

00:43:47.510 --> 00:43:48.000
 work on this

00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.230
 But after the open source

00:43:50.230 --> 00:43:51.600
 release of Frontier has

00:43:51.600 --> 00:43:52.000
 happened

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.980
 I hope to get some developers

00:43:53.980 --> 00:43:55.000
 to work with me on this

00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.580
 I've already talked with a few

00:43:56.580 --> 00:43:57.000
 people

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.000
 On exactly that

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:00.570
 And create something that's r

00:44:00.570 --> 00:44:01.000
ommable

00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000
 That can be put onto, you know

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.000
 What do you mean rommable?

00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.000
 I mean, rommable in the sense

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:07.000
 that

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.550
 I don't literally mean nothing

00:44:08.550 --> 00:44:10.000
 is really rommable anymore

00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.000
 Rommable means...

00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.000
 It used to be, well, you know,

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:14.000
 you're...

00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:15.470
 I don't know if your Mac has a

00:44:15.470 --> 00:44:16.000
 ROM BIOS

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:17.000
 But my PC does

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:19.000
 A read-only memory?

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:20.760
 Yeah, what? It's read-only

00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:21.000
 memory, right?

00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.480
 And it's like the lizard-lizard

00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:24.000
 brain

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.310
 It's the lizard brain or the

00:44:25.310 --> 00:44:27.000
 lizard brain of the PC, right?

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:28.250
 I mean, there's still bosses

00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:29.000
 sitting in there

00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.500
 Okay, that's where all the core

00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:32.000
 shit sits, right?

00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.000
 Yeah, it's like, you know, you

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.000
 build...

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.160
 These things are all piles of

00:44:36.160 --> 00:44:37.660
 stuff built on top of each

00:44:37.660 --> 00:44:38.000
 other

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.000
 And the beauty...

00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:41.300
 Why the ROM BIOS was so

00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:42.000
 important

00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.770
 And when it came out, which was

00:44:44.770 --> 00:44:45.000
 like 81

00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.000
 Or something like that, was

00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:47.000
 that you could be

00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.720
 Absolutely sure that it was the

00:44:48.720 --> 00:44:51.000
 same on every computer

00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.190
 And Compact sort of like, you

00:44:54.190 --> 00:44:55.000
 know, created the mold

00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:56.090
 They didn't break the mold,

00:44:56.090 --> 00:44:57.000
 they created the mold

00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.690
 By directly emulating the ROM

00:44:58.690 --> 00:44:59.000
 BIOS

00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.000
 Without using the ROM BIOS

00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:02.840
 And... Do you know Rich Levent

00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:03.000
ov?

00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.000
 No, no

00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.000
 Rich is... He's in sort of like

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:07.000
...

00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.000
 He's in your sixth degree

00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:10.000
 I mean, he's a friend of mine

00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:12.000
 So it's like second degree for,

00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:12.000
 you know, whatever

00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.000
 Like six degrees of separation

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.540
 Yeah, right, Rich was one of

00:45:16.540 --> 00:45:18.000
 the original authors

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.000
 Of the ROM BIOS

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:20.000
 He's a friend of a friend

00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.240
 He's a friend of a friend, and

00:45:22.240 --> 00:45:23.000
 he's a VC in Boston

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:24.470
 I just got an email from him,

00:45:24.470 --> 00:45:25.000
 actually

00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.050
 And I also got an email from

00:45:27.050 --> 00:45:28.000
 Joshua Allen at Microsoft

00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.000
 Reminding me

00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.000
 He says, "Welcome to Seattle

00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.380
 You've only got a week or two

00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:33.000
 to register to vote

00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.450
 So your next first priority

00:45:34.450 --> 00:45:36.000
 should be to register"

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.000
 Yeah, good point

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.300
 Send me a link, and I'll

00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:39.000
 absolutely...

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.850
 I have to get a library card,

00:45:40.850 --> 00:45:41.000
 too

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.320
 And, boy, anyway, that's a

00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:44.000
 whole other subject

00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.000
 Listen, I wanted to ask you...

00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:47.860
 Let's come back, we'll probably

00:45:47.860 --> 00:45:49.000
 do another one of these

00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:49.680
 We'll probably do this every

00:45:49.680 --> 00:45:51.000
 fucking day, you know what I

00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:51.000
 mean?

00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.000
 We'll do it as often as we've

00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:53.000
 got them well pleased, Dave

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.000
 There you go, right?

00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.740
 So the thing I want to ask you

00:45:56.740 --> 00:45:57.000
 now is

00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.710
 First of all, okay, so we've

00:45:59.710 --> 00:46:00.000
 got this

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.000
 Apparently have this working

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:03.190
 Your machine didn't blow up,

00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:04.000
 right?

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:05.480
 Oh, God, you're inviting Murphy

00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:06.000
 in the door

00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.640
 No, no, it didn't, I'm not

00:46:07.640 --> 00:46:08.000
 going to...

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.000
 I'm standing under garlic

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.270
 Wouldn't it be horrible after

00:46:11.270 --> 00:46:13.000
 41 minutes if it crashed?

00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.000
 No, no, no, we don't want that

00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:15.000
 to happen

00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.500
 No, we don't want that to

00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:17.000
 happen

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.650
 I didn't crash, and we're very

00:46:18.650 --> 00:46:19.000
 pleased that it didn't

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.090
 And we're totally not worthy,

00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:22.000
 and we don't deserve it

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.600
 So it seems like this much

00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:26.000
 works

00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:29.000
 So now the question is

00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.000
 Could we have a second, a third

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:32.000
 person

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.000
 Involved in this conversation

00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.000
 using this technology

00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.000
 Could we...

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.000
 The answer is...

00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.000
 We're going to do something...

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.000
 What?

00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.000
 You ready for the answer?

00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.000
 The answer is yes

00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:42.000
 I'm sitting down...

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.000
 Whoa, hell...

00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.000
 The answer is yes, and...

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.280
 Because actually, I'm using i

00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:48.000
Chat AV

00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.150
 Which is Apple's instant

00:46:51.150 --> 00:46:52.000
 message client

00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.000
 That is compatible with AOL's

00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:56.000
 Instant message client

00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.780
 Which is how we're setting up

00:46:57.780 --> 00:46:59.000
 this conversation

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.000
 But iChat AV has the capability

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.340
 To bring up to ten different

00:47:04.340 --> 00:47:06.000
 people in a voice chat

00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.000
 Yeah, so...

00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.000
 Another question, next question

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.740
 Could we listen to a tune right

00:47:11.740 --> 00:47:12.000
 now?

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.000
 We could listen to a tune, the

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:14.000
 only problem is

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.510
 You wouldn't hear it, and that

00:47:15.510 --> 00:47:17.000
's the part that I'm working on

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.000
 Because...

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.740
 Right, but do you have one que

00:47:19.740 --> 00:47:21.000
ued up right now by any chance?

00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:22.000
 Oh, I can have one queued up

00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:23.860
 Well, see now, the only thing

00:47:23.860 --> 00:47:24.000
 is

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.700
 I'm really worried about doing

00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:27.000
 this during our first show

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.000
 Let's not do that

00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.290
 Okay, this first one is going

00:47:29.290 --> 00:47:30.000
 to be plain Jane's

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.560
 Yeah, but we'll try that on the

00:47:31.560 --> 00:47:32.000
 next run

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.000
 Yeah

00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.880
 Okay, next one, we'll do it

00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:35.000
 early

00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.000
 So that if it screws up...

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.000
 But here's the problem Dave

00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.000
 Let me just explain the problem

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.000
 Because this is...

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:40.000
 It's driving me...

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:40.790
 I wake up in the middle of the

00:47:40.790 --> 00:47:41.000
 night

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.090
 Thinking about how to solve

00:47:42.090 --> 00:47:43.000
 this fucking problem

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.670
 Let me see if I can approach

00:47:44.670 --> 00:47:45.000
 this

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.000
 Okay, so the Mac has...

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.000
 Uses drivers for audio

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:50.310
 I think that's the same with

00:47:50.310 --> 00:47:51.000
 any computer

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.200
 You can choose between your

00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:53.000
 internal microphone

00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:54.000
 Or your line in

00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.000
 And then you can set up these

00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.000
 Virtual devices

00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:59.000
 That let you...

00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.000
 And this is the crazy part

00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:02.000
 Because I'm familiar with it

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.000
 The concept from the studio

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.340
 You can patch audio for one

00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:07.000
 application to the other

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.000
 So, what is needed

00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.000
 Is I need to patch

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.000
 The output of anything that

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.000
 I play

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.000
 So let's say I use iTunes

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.000
 Or QuickTime Player

00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.000
 I have to patch that output

00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.000
 Into the input

00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.000
 Of my iChat AV client

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.320
 So that it'll be acting like a

00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:28.000
 microphone

00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.740
 Sending that down the line to

00:48:29.740 --> 00:48:30.000
 you

00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.000
 Which also means

00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.000
 I have to patch my microphone

00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.000
 through

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.000
 To you

00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.320
 At the same time, I have to

00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.000
 patch my microphone

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.680
 To the speaker so I can record

00:48:39.680 --> 00:48:40.000
 my mic

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:41.580
 I mean, it's driving me fucking

00:48:41.580 --> 00:48:42.000
 crazy

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.000
 Because I can record everything

00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:44.000
 I can play a song now

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.800
 And I'd be jamming around with

00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:46.000
 it

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:47.000
 But A, I'd have to find...

00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.000
 I'd have to have a way to mute

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:48.000
 you

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.000
 Because if you don't shut up

00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.290
 Then you're going to be talking

00:48:51.290 --> 00:48:52.000
 through the record

00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.000
 B, I'd like you to hear it

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.000
 You look so bad about that

00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.000
 I don't see my problems

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:56.840
 As long as you're singing on

00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:57.000
 key

00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.000
 It doesn't matter, you're right

00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:00.000
 I never sing on key

00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.000
 What are you talking about?

00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.000
 No, but I love doing a little

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:05.000
...

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.000
 I love sort of like...

00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.000
 I'm emulating you

00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:09.630
 I'm trying to learn how to do

00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:10.000
 this

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.090
 You have to talk through at

00:49:12.090 --> 00:49:13.000
 least the beginning

00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.760
 Oh yeah, you got to talk up the

00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:15.000
 intro

00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.000
 Yeah, definitely

00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:17.000
 See, that's the whole trick

00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.160
 The trick, this is what DJs in

00:49:19.160 --> 00:49:20.000
 the 80s

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.000
 Totally, totally were into

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.000
 And I still do...

00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.710
 It's crazy, I still do this in

00:49:24.710 --> 00:49:25.000
 the car

00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.000
 So you hear a song

00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.250
 And what you want to do is you

00:49:27.250 --> 00:49:28.000
 want to be talking

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:29.450
 Then you hit the song and it

00:49:29.450 --> 00:49:30.000
 starts

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.400
 And you know roughly how long

00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:32.000
 the intro is

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.000
 So you can fit your story in

00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:33.990
 And then you kind of want to

00:49:33.990 --> 00:49:35.000
 end up with saying

00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.290
 "Well, everybody, here's

00:49:37.290 --> 00:49:38.000
 Madonna"

00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:39.000
 And then the minute you shut up

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.000
 You want the vocals to start

00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.000
 Which is a very, very 80s DJ

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:43.000
 way of doing it

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.000
 Which a lot of people hate

00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.000
 So really, I love it

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.000
 And I love the way you do it

00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:49.000
 too

00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:50.510
 It's been you've been getting

00:49:50.510 --> 00:49:51.000
 better and better

00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:52.990
 And better on a daily source

00:49:52.990 --> 00:49:53.000
 code

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.000
 I find iTunes, by the way

00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.380
 It was an article in the New

00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:57.000
 York Times

00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.550
 Where people were like infer

00:49:58.550 --> 00:49:59.000
ring

00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:00.510
 Mystical qualities to the

00:50:00.510 --> 00:50:01.000
 choices their iTunes

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.680
 Was making, their iPod was

00:50:02.680 --> 00:50:03.000
 making

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.000
 When you put the random song on

00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:06.430
 I've been finding it that's

00:50:06.430 --> 00:50:07.000
 absolutely true

00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.000
 Oh, when it opened up

00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
 When it's the next song it

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:11.000
 plays on random

00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.350
 Yeah, well when I play my own

00:50:13.350 --> 00:50:14.000
 recording

00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:18.260
 Like today I had the not a

00:50:18.260 --> 00:50:19.000
 morning coffee note

00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.000
 So that was the title of it,

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:21.000
 right?

00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.660
 And so the song it played right

00:50:23.660 --> 00:50:24.000
 after that

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.000
 Was "Nowhere Man"

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.480
 Now of course the iPod didn't

00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:27.000
 pick that

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.000
 It was an alphabetical order,

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:29.000
 right?

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.570
 But boy, was it perfect, I mean

00:50:31.570 --> 00:50:32.000
, wow

00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.000
 You know, here's this guy

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:35.000
 making all these

00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.620
 Animal sounds and barnyard

00:50:37.620 --> 00:50:38.000
 sounds

00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.000
 And what's the comment on it?

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.000
 "Well, he's a Nowhere Man"

00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.000
 Like, okay, got it

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.330
 Well, but see, I use my iPod

00:50:45.330 --> 00:50:46.000
 differently

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.000
 I can't do that

00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.000
 Because if I put it on random

00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:50.380
 If I just let it scan through

00:50:50.380 --> 00:50:51.000
 the library

00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:52.630
 I'm going to pick up Christmas

00:50:52.630 --> 00:50:53.000
 songs

00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:54.640
 I'm going to pick up different

00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:55.000
 audio

00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.380
 Yeah, stuff that I don't want

00:50:56.380 --> 00:50:57.000
 to listen to

00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.000
 No, no, that didn't happen

00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.610
 I didn't use the random, I don

00:51:00.610 --> 00:51:02.000
't use it either

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.000
 I can't for that reason

00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.000
 Because it's not, you know,

00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:06.000
 whatever

00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.000
 Although I wouldn't put it past

00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.000
 Apple

00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.000
 To have some kind of algorithm

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:11.710
 In their quote-unquote random

00:51:11.710 --> 00:51:12.000
izer

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.990
 That may even look for genres

00:51:13.990 --> 00:51:14.000
 or something

00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.170
 It's certainly something that

00:51:16.170 --> 00:51:17.000
 would be a nice feature

00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.000
 I mean, I think you and I have

00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:19.000
 talked about this before

00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.000
 Radio stations have formats

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.000
 You know, they play a 60 song

00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:24.000
 at the top of the hour

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.000
 Followed by an 80 song, then a

00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:26.000
 new song

00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:27.500
 Whatever, depends on what the

00:51:27.500 --> 00:51:28.000
 format is

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.000
 What a great feature to have

00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.430
 Formats generated in your MP3

00:51:33.430 --> 00:51:34.000
 player

00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:36.080
 Well, you know that someday we

00:51:36.080 --> 00:51:37.000
'll be doing that for sure

00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.000
 There's no question about it

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.000
 Well, we can do it now

00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.130
 I created a whole thing in

00:51:42.130 --> 00:51:43.000
 Radio Userland

00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.000
 That did just that

00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.000
 You did?

00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.780
 Yeah, don't you remember that

00:51:46.780 --> 00:51:47.000
 script

00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:48.580
 That copy-paste script that had

00:51:48.580 --> 00:51:49.000
 windows flying

00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:50.000
 All over the place?

00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.000
 Oh, yeah

00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.000
 Okay, put a bookmark down on it

00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:55.860
 I want to tell that story

00:51:55.860 --> 00:51:56.000
 someday

00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.000
 Because that's an amazing story

00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.000
 I mean, well, whatever

00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.000
 That is, to me, the essence

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.260
 Of where the users and

00:52:05.260 --> 00:52:07.000
 developers get together

00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.000
 At that point, we're a user

00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.100
 And now you're on your way to

00:52:11.100 --> 00:52:12.000
 becoming a developer

00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.490
 But you were a user that was so

00:52:13.490 --> 00:52:14.000
 motivated

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:15.590
 That you didn't take no for the

00:52:15.590 --> 00:52:17.000
 answer, right?

00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.000
 Well, I'm still doing that

00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.000
 Exactly, and that's the charm

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.320
 That's why I like you, that's

00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:23.000
 why you're my buddy

00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.000
 A lot of love in the room

00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.000
 I know, guys, I'm sorry

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.000
 We have a...

00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.000
 Why did I say that?

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.530
 I don't know, it was quite

00:52:31.530 --> 00:52:32.000
 disgusting

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.000
 So, right back at you

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.090
 So we have like 12 minutes to

00:52:38.090 --> 00:52:39.000
 go until we've recorded a whole

00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:39.000
 hour

00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:39.650
 I think we should limit

00:52:39.650 --> 00:52:41.000
 ourselves to an hour

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:42.000
 Oh, is that our budget? We're

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:42.000
 only doing an hour?

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.000
 Okay, great

00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:44.000
 Whatever you want

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.000
 My car is great

00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.650
 I gotta actually do some stuff

00:52:46.650 --> 00:52:47.000
 today

00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:50.000
 Well, I wanted to entice you

00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.000
 To talk about BloggerCon

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.590
 So that that way you're not

00:52:53.590 --> 00:52:55.000
 trying to promote it yourself

00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:55.880
 But fuck, I want to talk about

00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:56.000
 it

00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.820
 Because, you know, all I know

00:52:57.820 --> 00:52:58.000
 is November 6th

00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.000
 I know it's a Palo Alto

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.000
 I know what I'm doing

00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:01.750
 But what the hell is going to

00:53:01.750 --> 00:53:02.000
 happen?

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.000
 No, you don't, you don't know

00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:04.790
 Let's talk about what you're

00:53:04.790 --> 00:53:05.000
 doing

00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:06.000
 Let's do that

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:06.830
 This is the perfect time to do

00:53:06.830 --> 00:53:07.000
 that

00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.430
 So I tell you what I thought I

00:53:08.430 --> 00:53:09.000
 was doing?

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.330
 Well, let me just sort of go

00:53:11.330 --> 00:53:12.000
 over

00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.000
 Just a refresher

00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.000
 You have been to BloggerCon

00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:14.860
 But you didn't go to the second

00:53:14.860 --> 00:53:16.000
 one, right?

00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.000
 Well, my wife became ill

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:18.000
 So I had to turn around

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:18.860
 I couldn't get into the second

00:53:18.860 --> 00:53:19.000
 one

00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:20.000
 No, no, no, right

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.690
 Obviously, there was a good

00:53:21.690 --> 00:53:23.000
 reason for you not to go to the

00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:23.000
 second one

00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.140
 But things sort of changed at

00:53:25.140 --> 00:53:26.000
 the second one

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:27.000
 Okay

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.920
 Or the whole concept got

00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:30.000
 refined more

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.000
 And then after the conference

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.450
 Len Pryor from Microsoft wrote

00:53:36.450 --> 00:53:38.000
 a piece called

00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:39.540
 He described it as the "Uncon

00:53:39.540 --> 00:53:40.000
ference"

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.000
 What does he do with Microsoft?

00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.000
 He's Skobel's boss

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:45.330
 That's probably the best way to

00:53:45.330 --> 00:53:46.000
 do it

00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:47.000
 That's a heavy job, dude

00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:48.000
 Yeah, I know

00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.000
 Danger pay

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.240
 Yeah, somebody's got to do it,

00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:52.000
 I guess

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.200
 I'm sure he would like to be

00:53:54.200 --> 00:53:55.420
 known as something other than

00:53:55.420 --> 00:53:56.000
 Skobel's boss

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.000
 I'm sure he actually is

00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.320
 I've actually known him for

00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:00.000
 quite a while

00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.000
 And he's a really good guy

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.000
 And you really understood it

00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.090
 I thought, put it very well,

00:54:07.090 --> 00:54:08.000
 what the whole thing was

00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.000
 Basically, it's a conference,

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:10.000
 right?

00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.000
 It's called BloggerCon

00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.000
 And the Con stands for

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:13.000
 conference or convention

00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.000
 Whichever you like better

00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.360
 And there's no audience, there

00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:18.620
's no speakers, there's no

00:54:18.620 --> 00:54:19.000
 panels

00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.030
 Which sort of forces you to

00:54:21.030 --> 00:54:22.000
 think about

00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.630
 Well, what is it if there's no

00:54:24.630 --> 00:54:25.000
 audience

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.500
 And there's no speakers, and

00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:28.000
 there's no panels

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.770
 But it's very consistent in my

00:54:32.770 --> 00:54:35.000
 mind with how blogs work

00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.270
 Which is that basically, it's

00:54:38.270 --> 00:54:39.000
 not hierarchical

00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.870
 There's no blog that's more

00:54:40.870 --> 00:54:43.490
 authoritative than any other

00:54:43.490 --> 00:54:44.000
 blog

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:47.040
 Or at least not no formal

00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:49.000
 structure that dictates that

00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:50.000
 that should always be so

00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.820
 Obviously, some blogs have more

00:54:51.820 --> 00:54:53.000
 readers than others

00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.660
 But there's nothing in sort of

00:54:55.660 --> 00:54:57.710
 the structure of the blog is

00:54:57.710 --> 00:54:58.000
 here that makes it that way

00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.360
 So while at one time, I'm sure

00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:01.420
 I had more readers than Glenn

00:55:01.420 --> 00:55:02.000
 Reynolds does

00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.820
 I'm sure now Glenn has an order

00:55:03.820 --> 00:55:05.710
 of magnitude more readers than

00:55:05.710 --> 00:55:06.000
 I do

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.880
 Or as we say, more hits than

00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:09.950
 Adam Curry has in a coffee shop

00:55:09.950 --> 00:55:11.000
 in Amsterdam

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.000
 There you go, that's a good one

00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.000
 And that's the way it should be

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:15.000
, right?

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.670
 I mean, it wasn't designed to

00:55:16.670 --> 00:55:18.390
 make, for the greater glory of

00:55:18.390 --> 00:55:19.000
 any person

00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.950
 That the idea is bigger than

00:55:20.950 --> 00:55:22.000
 any one person

00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.920
 And so that, and then, you know

00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:26.330
, I also wanted to try to solve

00:55:26.330 --> 00:55:27.340
 the problem that most

00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:28.000
 conferences have

00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:28.890
 Which is that all the

00:55:28.890 --> 00:55:30.260
 interesting stuff happens out

00:55:30.260 --> 00:55:32.000
 in the hallways, you know

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:33.470
 I wanted to make it more likely

00:55:33.470 --> 00:55:34.910
 that the interesting stuff

00:55:34.910 --> 00:55:36.000
 would happen in the room

00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.270
 So we said, okay, great,

00:55:39.270 --> 00:55:40.960
 basically we just want to have

00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:43.000
 discussion leaders and topics

00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:43.000
 and rooms

00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.690
 And basically, we'll try to

00:55:45.690 --> 00:55:48.170
 work to get the people who we

00:55:48.170 --> 00:55:50.000
 would put on a panel in the

00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:50.000
 room

00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:51.590
 But we don't give them any

00:55:51.590 --> 00:55:53.000
 special recognition

00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.080
 Nor do we preclude possibility

00:55:55.080 --> 00:55:57.030
 that there will be other people

00:55:57.030 --> 00:55:59.060
 in the room who may have more

00:55:59.060 --> 00:56:00.000
 to contribute than those people

00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.000
 Do I get a badge?

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.000
 Of course you get a badge,

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:04.000
 everybody gets a badge

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.000
 That says speaker?

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.590
 No, your badge does not say

00:56:07.590 --> 00:56:08.000
 speaker

00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.000
 No, I hear you

00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.400
 Your badge may say discussion

00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:12.000
 leader

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:13.640
 You know, and the idea is that

00:56:13.640 --> 00:56:15.350
 basically you stand up in front

00:56:15.350 --> 00:56:16.000
 of the room

00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.340
 And you give a few minutes

00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:18.500
 worth of, you know,

00:56:18.500 --> 00:56:20.000
 introduction to the topic

00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.270
 And then, you know, you call on

00:56:22.270 --> 00:56:24.080
 somebody and you say, okay,

00:56:24.080 --> 00:56:25.000
 what do you think about this?

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:26.690
 And then you call on somebody

00:56:26.690 --> 00:56:27.000
 else

00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.000
 Now, they don't even have to

00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:30.000
 put their hands up

00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.300
 In fact, you should call on

00:56:31.300 --> 00:56:32.540
 people who don't put their

00:56:32.540 --> 00:56:33.000
 hands up

00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.420
 So that sort of keeps everybody

00:56:34.420 --> 00:56:35.670
 sitting on the edge of their

00:56:35.670 --> 00:56:36.000
 chair

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:37.670
 Now, will it be like the first

00:56:37.670 --> 00:56:38.000
 year?

00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:39.750
 Because I went to one of the

00:56:39.750 --> 00:56:42.000
 sessions, the first blogger con

00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.120
 And which was very, I think it

00:56:44.120 --> 00:56:45.000
 was Joey Ito

00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.000
 It was very informal

00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:48.400
 The thing that was, I had never

00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:50.330
 seen before, apparently, it's

00:56:50.330 --> 00:56:51.000
 pretty normal

00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.350
 Was there was a projector, had

00:56:54.350 --> 00:56:57.000
 an IRC chat up on the screen

00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:58.000
 behind him

00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.600
 And people were conversing

00:57:00.600 --> 00:57:01.800
 about what was going on in the

00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:03.170
 room in, you know, in like

00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:04.000
 their own chat

00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.470
 Is that something that happened

00:57:05.470 --> 00:57:06.870
 at the second blogger con as

00:57:06.870 --> 00:57:07.000
 well?

00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:08.760
 I don't think it happened that

00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:10.000
 much at the first one

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:11.240
 But it's more of a decision

00:57:11.240 --> 00:57:14.000
 that Joey made that we wanted

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:14.000
 to do

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:15.000
 I didn't like it

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.200
 It certainly, yeah, to be

00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:20.540
 truthful, I mean, but then, you

00:57:20.540 --> 00:57:22.140
 know, it's very much, I mean,

00:57:22.140 --> 00:57:24.000
 you know, after we do the prep

00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.670
 And we'll talk about it a few

00:57:26.670 --> 00:57:28.000
 times before

00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:29.590
 Yeah, that's good, let's use

00:57:29.590 --> 00:57:31.050
 trade secrets for that as well,

00:57:31.050 --> 00:57:31.970
 Dave, just to make sure we do

00:57:31.970 --> 00:57:32.000
 that

00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.520
 But I just want to get this

00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:36.240
 across, that after we've talked

00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:38.000
 about it, it's your show

00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.880
 I had that happen, for example,

00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:43.000
 with the second blogger con

00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.990
 Where, you know, one of the

00:57:44.990 --> 00:57:46.840
 things I wanted to come out of

00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:48.000
 that conference with

00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:49.520
 Was an idea of what the

00:57:49.520 --> 00:57:51.830
 relationship between blogs and

00:57:51.830 --> 00:57:53.000
 journalism was

00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.000
 And I had the kickoff session

00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.440
 be led by Jay Rosen, who's the

00:57:58.440 --> 00:57:59.600
 chairman of the Journalism

00:57:59.600 --> 00:58:01.000
 Department at NYU

00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:02.840
 And an authority on journalism,

00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:04.000
 if there ever was one

00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.230
 And instantaneously, as soon as

00:58:07.230 --> 00:58:09.900
 he took, you know, started up

00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:11.000
 the discussion

00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:12.920
 He started with a premise that

00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.010
 completely made it impossible

00:58:15.010 --> 00:58:16.320
 for my goal for the whole

00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:17.000
 conference

00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:18.890
 You know, it's like, I'm

00:58:18.890 --> 00:58:21.170
 sitting there, but nah, I didn

00:58:21.170 --> 00:58:22.000
't say a word

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.760
 And my body language, hopefully

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.000
, didn't communicate

00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:25.710
 I participated in the

00:58:25.710 --> 00:58:27.220
 discussion, and it's sort of

00:58:27.220 --> 00:58:29.180
 like a blog, you just accept

00:58:29.180 --> 00:58:30.000
 what you get

00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:31.200
 You don't know who's going to

00:58:31.200 --> 00:58:32.260
 show up in the room, you don't

00:58:32.260 --> 00:58:33.000
 know what they're going to say

00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:34.370
 You don't even know what the

00:58:34.370 --> 00:58:36.000
 discussion leader's going to do

00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.570
 And whether they're going to

00:58:37.570 --> 00:58:38.000
 follow

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.510
 There are some very basic rules

00:58:39.510 --> 00:58:40.730
, however, though, if they get

00:58:40.730 --> 00:58:41.670
 broken, we will stop the

00:58:41.670 --> 00:58:42.000
 session

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.990
 People are not allowed to do

00:58:43.990 --> 00:58:46.000
 advertising, you know

00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.680
 I forget, so I'll have to

00:58:48.680 --> 00:58:49.000
 review it

00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:50.100
 Advertising is a big one,

00:58:50.100 --> 00:58:51.200
 because that's what most

00:58:51.200 --> 00:58:52.000
 conferences are

00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.480
 Is people talking about their

00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.000
 own shit that they're selling

00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:56.170
 Yeah, you've got to be really

00:58:56.170 --> 00:58:57.000
 careful about that

00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.310
 I mean, if you feel at some

00:58:59.310 --> 00:59:01.100
 moment that there's, you know,

00:59:01.100 --> 00:59:02.000
 a vendor in the audience

00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:04.410
 Derek, see, I do it. If there's

00:59:04.410 --> 00:59:05.000
 a vendor in the room

00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.000
 Right

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.000
 I have to teach myself, right?

00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:10.000
 Discipline myself, right?

00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:11.680
 But if there's a vendor in the

00:59:11.680 --> 00:59:13.530
 room and you feel at this

00:59:13.530 --> 00:59:14.000
 moment

00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.670
 You need to have something

00:59:15.670 --> 00:59:17.380
 about their product come into

00:59:17.380 --> 00:59:18.000
 the discussion

00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.630
 That's your call. You can call

00:59:20.630 --> 00:59:21.700
 on them and ask them to talk

00:59:21.700 --> 00:59:22.000
 about it

00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.000
 Right

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:25.130
 You know, but it's not their

00:59:25.130 --> 00:59:26.610
 choice to do it, it's your

00:59:26.610 --> 00:59:27.000
 choice

00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.130
 You know, so it's a... think of

00:59:30.130 --> 00:59:31.000
 yourself as a reporter

00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.420
 Okay, and the room is your

00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:34.000
 sources

00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:35.260
 They're the people you're

00:59:35.260 --> 00:59:36.000
 interviewing

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.000
 Right, so I can pick from them

00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.000
 and do stuff with them

00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:43.020
 Right, and you're there in

00:59:43.020 --> 00:59:44.000
 service of the room

00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:45.000
 Right

00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.080
 In other words, you're trying

00:59:46.080 --> 00:59:47.000
... and in this case, clearly

00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.070
 I think what we want you to

00:59:49.070 --> 00:59:51.420
 talk about is, you know, is

00:59:51.420 --> 00:59:52.000
 this what we're doing right now

00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.010
 Which is sort of like, how does

00:59:54.010 --> 00:59:57.000
 the, you know, blogosphere get,

00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:57.000
 you know

00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.790
 How would you describe what we

00:59:58.790 --> 01:00:00.000
're doing right now?

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.000
 Uh...

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.000
 I don't know

01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:05.820
 That's what you're gonna have

01:00:05.820 --> 01:00:06.640
 to do, that's your homework

01:00:06.640 --> 01:00:07.000
 assignment

01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:08.660
 I know one thing, I get to drop

01:00:08.660 --> 01:00:10.000
 a Silicon Valley name on you

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.000
 John Gage from Sun Once Told Me

01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:14.000
 Yeah

01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:15.700
 How was that? How cool was that

01:00:15.700 --> 01:00:17.000
 John Gage from Sun Once Told Me

01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:18.000
?

01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:21.000
 Excuse me while I genie-fiked

01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.660
 He said, you know, if you gotta

01:00:24.660 --> 01:00:28.000
 stand up in front of audience

01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:29.000
 and talk about anything

01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:29.960
 Make sure you just talk about

01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.000
 something you know a lot about

01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:32.980
 You know, you can twist that

01:00:32.980 --> 01:00:34.000
 into any topic

01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:35.250
 Yeah, but you see, we're not

01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:36.000
 doing any of that

01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.390
 You're not talking here, and

01:00:37.390 --> 01:00:39.000
 there's not an audience, so

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:41.000
 John Gage, thank you very much

01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:42.180
 I think what I'll do is, I'm

01:00:42.180 --> 01:00:43.000
 gonna bring in a boombox

01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:44.450
 I'm gonna lead off with a song

01:00:44.450 --> 01:00:45.000
 of the day

01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:46.160
 That's how I'm gonna start my

01:00:46.160 --> 01:00:47.000
 discussion

01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.000
 Actually, you could... there

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:49.000
 you go

01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:51.000
 Yeah, that's what I wanna do

01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.010
 Basically, if you look at the

01:00:52.010 --> 01:00:53.000
 session at the big blog post

01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.530
 Then you're doing great, and of

01:00:54.530 --> 01:00:55.750
 course your blog posts are

01:00:55.750 --> 01:00:58.000
 audio, so you're all set

01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.000
 Yeah, good, so November 6th

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.180
 We need November 6th, Stanford

01:01:03.180 --> 01:01:05.080
 Law School, Palo Alto,

01:01:05.080 --> 01:01:06.000
 California

01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.000
 Can you still come?

01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:09.440
 Where's this thing booked? What

01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:10.000
's the...

01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:11.000
 It's pretty booked

01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.040
 We can probably make some room

01:01:14.040 --> 01:01:15.000
 for people

01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.000
 It kind of depends

01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:18.440
 My job for the next couple of

01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.700
 weeks now is to fill out the

01:01:20.700 --> 01:01:21.000
 grid

01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.520
 And then work with the

01:01:22.520 --> 01:01:24.480
 discussion leaders such as

01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:25.000
 yourself

01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.470
 Do we want to set up an RSS

01:01:27.470 --> 01:01:30.000
 feed with enclosures with audio

01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.000
 of the sessions?

01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:32.000
 Or is that too much?

01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.200
 Yeah, well we still haven't

01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:34.370
 quite figured out how we're

01:01:34.370 --> 01:01:36.000
 doing the audio broadcast yet

01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.250
 And yeah, I'm gonna need help

01:01:38.250 --> 01:01:39.000
 with that

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.550
 So yeah, I better get busy, you

01:01:41.550 --> 01:01:42.000
 know

01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.190
 Now I've got my living things

01:01:44.190 --> 01:01:46.000
 settled here in Seattle

01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.320
 Now I'm pretty much... that's

01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:49.000
 what I have to do

01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:50.570
 When you go up to... well, when

01:01:50.570 --> 01:01:53.000
 you go to Palo Alto

01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.860
 Well, I'll be making probably

01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:57.820
 maybe three... between now and

01:01:57.820 --> 01:01:58.000
 then

01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.930
 To me, this is like... I've set

01:02:01.930 --> 01:02:03.000
 it up so that going to...

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.570
 The Bay Area is like going to

01:02:05.570 --> 01:02:08.000
 New York when I was in Boston

01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.480
 It's a very easy trip, so I'll

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.000
 be probably going a few times

01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.620
 But yeah, we need to get a

01:02:14.620 --> 01:02:15.000
 write-up

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.260
 Why don't we announce your

01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:17.000
 session first?

01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.000
 Why don't we like...

01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:20.000
 Okay

01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.000
 You know...

01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.220
 Well, give me until Monday and

01:02:24.220 --> 01:02:26.000
 then I'll write up my session

01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:27.430
 We'll figure it out. I think I

01:02:27.430 --> 01:02:29.000
 have a write-up of the session

01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.000
 that you didn't do at the last

01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:30.000
 session

01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.120
 That was personal TV networks,

01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:33.760
 although it's changed a little

01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:34.000
 bit

01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.470
 I'm really wary of talking

01:02:36.470 --> 01:02:39.000
 about video at this moment

01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:40.320
 Because you see how much

01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.000
 confusion there is with MP3

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:43.740
 Well, you see, there's so much

01:02:43.740 --> 01:02:46.000
 confusion with MP3s by itself

01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:47.620
 Just people understanding what

01:02:47.620 --> 01:02:48.000
 this is

01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:49.270
 When you get to video,

01:02:49.270 --> 01:02:51.000
 streaming and video on demand

01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.000
 and all these buzzwords pop up

01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.350
 Forget about that shit. We're

01:02:55.350 --> 01:02:56.000
 only interested...

01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:58.420
 MP3 is very important. We can't

01:02:58.420 --> 01:02:59.000
 give on that one

01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:00.600
 Because that gives us the

01:03:00.600 --> 01:03:02.000
 control that's what we want

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.000
 It sure does

01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.870
 It means we can put the stuff

01:03:04.870 --> 01:03:06.000
 wherever we want to

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.000
 So that's how we...

01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.300
 Okay, we can edit it. Let's

01:03:10.300 --> 01:03:11.000
 just see what we have

01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:12.450
 We'll go from there. Thanks for

01:03:12.450 --> 01:03:13.000
 bringing this up

01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.800
 I really need to get working on

01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:15.800
 this, so you can help me do

01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:16.000
 that

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.100
 I'm here for Dave. Just... I'm

01:03:18.100 --> 01:03:19.000
 your personal little tickler

01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:20.000
 Thank you

01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.000
 Remember those? Those...

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.000
 Those... was it the TSRs?

01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:26.000
 Yeah

01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:28.000
 A DOS tickler?

01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.000
 Yeah, those were the days

01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.500
 Terminate, stay ready? Was it

01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:34.000
 terminate, stay ready? Is that

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:34.000
 it?

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.460
 Yeah, that's what we should do

01:03:36.460 --> 01:03:37.000
 with Bush

01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.000
 Yeah, TSR and Bush

01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:41.000
 Developers, TSR and Bush

01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:43.000
 I didn't say that, actually

01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.000
 No, no, no, I didn't say that

01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:47.000
 I did, I did

01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:48.480
 Hey, I'm voting. I'm an

01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:49.000
 American. I can vote

01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.600
 Yeah, I'm an American. We like

01:03:51.600 --> 01:03:53.000
 to mis-state residents

01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.000
 Yeah, well, we...

01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.810
 He would make a... he would

01:03:57.810 --> 01:04:00.000
 make a great former president

01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.000
 Really

01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.750
 Alright, now we're getting

01:04:04.750 --> 01:04:05.800
 silly. Now we're really getting

01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:06.000
 going

01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.000
 Yeah, right at the last minute

01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.150
 Well, next time we'll... you

01:04:11.150 --> 01:04:12.360
 know, the next time we have it

01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:13.000
 to look forward to

01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:14.590
 There's no more... we won't be

01:04:14.590 --> 01:04:16.000
 far out when we start it

01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.000
 Yeah, we lost a lot of energy

01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.000
 in the first hour of dicking

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:19.000
 around

01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.200
 We've got to talk about the

01:04:21.200 --> 01:04:22.600
 whole concept behind trade

01:04:22.600 --> 01:04:23.000
 secrets

01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:24.660
 We'll do all that on the next

01:04:24.660 --> 01:04:25.000
 show

01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.560
 And I'm really looking forward

01:04:27.560 --> 01:04:29.000
 to some feedback

01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:32.590
 So you can send it to DavidS

01:04:32.590 --> 01:04:34.000
cripting.com

01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.000
 Or AdamCurry.com

01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:37.680
 Yeah, we're going to start a

01:04:37.680 --> 01:04:39.000
 blog for this

01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:40.660
 I got to go reserve a domain

01:04:40.660 --> 01:04:41.820
 name. I'm not going to say what

01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:42.000
 it is

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:43.000
 Yeah, yeah, yeah

01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:43.750
 I'm going to get that all set

01:04:43.750 --> 01:04:44.000
 up right now

01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:45.480
 Yeah, okay, so I'll take care

01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:46.420
 of the audio hosting and all

01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:47.000
 that crap

01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:48.000
 Will you do the weblog?

01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.000
 Totally, I'm all over it

01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:51.700
 Now, let me just say that we've

01:04:51.700 --> 01:04:54.000
 been talking for an hour

01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.000
 A normal phone conversation

01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.000
 would have cost about $40

01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:02.000
 To call from Belgium to Seattle

01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:03.220
 We don't have a friends and

01:05:03.220 --> 01:05:05.000
 family plan yet together, Dave

01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:05.000
 and I

01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.000
 Although we have considered it

01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.000
 And we've recorded this

01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:11.970
 The quality, I got to listen to

01:05:11.970 --> 01:05:13.000
 it on some speakers

01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.000
 But I think it was outstanding

01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:17.450
 And as a broadcaster, I'm

01:05:17.450 --> 01:05:20.000
 amazed what we've just done

01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.000
 And the fact that within

01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:24.000
 probably an hour or so

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.170
 It'll take me a little while to

01:05:26.170 --> 01:05:28.000
 upload on my cable modem

01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.680
 People will be able to listen

01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:33.970
 to it from Venezuela to God

01:05:33.970 --> 01:05:34.000
 knows where

01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.000
 To Palo Alto

01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:37.560
 Exactly, and New York City and

01:05:37.560 --> 01:05:40.000
 skyscrapers and everything

01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:44.000
 Hey listen, great show Adam

01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:48.700
 Did he crap out? Did you go?

01:05:48.700 --> 01:05:50.000
 Hello? Hello, hello, hello

01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.000
 Bing, bing, bing, bing

01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:56.030
 Okay, you're not going to

01:05:56.030 --> 01:05:57.000
 believe what happened

01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.000
 It is time to end the show

01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:59.700
 because the battery on my mic

01:05:59.700 --> 01:06:00.000
 died

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.000
 So now I'm on the internal mic

01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.550
 Oh God, I thought you were

01:06:03.550 --> 01:06:04.840
 going to tell me we lost the

01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:06.000
 whole damn thing

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:07.680
 Alright Adam, I'll see you on

01:06:07.680 --> 01:06:09.000
 the web, thanks very much

01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:11.000
 Goodbye everybody

01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:12.430
 Okay, and we'll talk to you

01:06:12.430 --> 01:06:14.630
 next time on trade secrets, bye

01:06:14.630 --> 01:06:15.000
 bye

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