WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.580 (upbeat music) 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:25.720 - Hi everybody, good afternoon, 00:00:25.720 --> 00:00:26.320 good evening, 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:28.400 good morning, wherever you are. 00:00:28.400 --> 00:00:29.760 It is Trade Secrets. 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:31.180 I'm Adam Curry, coming to you 00:00:31.180 --> 00:00:32.600 from Flanders, Belgium. 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.760 Hello Q Dave. 00:00:36.760 --> 00:00:38.960 - Uh yeah, I'm here, but I have 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:40.520 a little problem. 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:41.360 - Ah! 00:00:41.360 --> 00:00:42.200 - You have a little problem. 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:43.490 That's Dave Weiner, my good 00:00:43.490 --> 00:00:46.560 friend in Seattle, Washington. 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.540 And this is Trade Secrets, 00:00:48.540 --> 00:00:49.420 everybody. 00:00:49.420 --> 00:00:52.000 - Oh well, fuck that shit. 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.920 (laughing) 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:56.720 - What are you talking about? 00:00:56.720 --> 00:00:57.820 - I tried playing B, well I 00:00:57.820 --> 00:00:59.120 thought I'd put on my headset 00:00:59.120 --> 00:01:00.560 with the microphone, you know? 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:02.040 The cool, like, broadcaster 00:01:02.040 --> 00:01:02.720 type thing. 00:01:02.720 --> 00:01:03.640 - You should. - Yeah. 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:05.080 - Oh there you go, hello. 00:01:05.080 --> 00:01:06.600 - You know, it didn't work. 00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:10.240 So now I'm using like, well I'm 00:01:10.240 --> 00:01:10.600 gonna get 00:01:10.600 --> 00:01:12.350 carpal tunnel here, using this 00:01:12.350 --> 00:01:13.640 thing, but yeah. 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:14.680 - What are you, are you using 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.600 your regular microphone now? 00:01:16.600 --> 00:01:20.000 - Whoa, am I late? 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.160 - Hello? 00:01:22.160 --> 00:01:23.000 - Hello, hello. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:24.960 - Yeah, are you late for what? 00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:26.280 - I'm late for this thing, 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:27.240 whatever it is. 00:01:27.240 --> 00:01:28.300 - Whatever mic you were using a 00:01:28.300 --> 00:01:30.520 second ago sounded better. 00:01:30.520 --> 00:01:32.360 - You mean this one? 00:01:32.360 --> 00:01:33.720 - Well if you talk into it. 00:01:33.720 --> 00:01:35.920 - This one, that's my, that's 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.000 my, that's my laptop's mic. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.440 Let's try this one, hold on. 00:01:40.440 --> 00:01:41.860 - Yeah, 'cause the last thing I 00:01:41.860 --> 00:01:43.120 want is tomorrow 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:44.730 for you to say, you know, I 00:01:44.730 --> 00:01:46.440 really sounded like shit. 00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:47.990 - Yeah, like I was having my 00:01:47.990 --> 00:01:49.240 teeth operated on. 00:01:49.240 --> 00:01:50.500 (laughing) 00:01:50.500 --> 00:01:52.360 - You have good teeth. 00:01:52.360 --> 00:01:53.200 - What? 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:54.460 - You have good teeth, don't 00:01:54.460 --> 00:01:54.840 you? 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:56.690 - Well I have, okay, I don't 00:01:56.690 --> 00:01:57.680 have great teeth, 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.310 I don't really, couldn't say I 00:01:59.310 --> 00:02:00.200 have good teeth. 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:01.440 - Well you hide, you're hiding 00:02:01.440 --> 00:02:03.640 them with your mustache. 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.040 - True, yeah. 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:06.920 - Isn't that true that all guys 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:07.600 with a mustache 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:09.120 are hiding something? 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:09.960 - Oh totally. 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.080 (laughing) 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:13.640 - Hiding the fact that we don't 00:02:13.640 --> 00:02:14.480 like to shave. 00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:16.960 (laughing) 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:18.400 - Alrighty. 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.480 - Oh, I can hear you fine, okay 00:02:20.480 --> 00:02:20.480 . 00:02:20.480 --> 00:02:21.600 - Okay. 00:02:21.600 --> 00:02:22.440 - Is that better? 00:02:22.440 --> 00:02:23.560 - Yeah, that's better, it's 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:24.440 definitely better. 00:02:24.440 --> 00:02:25.840 - Yeah, I'm wearing a different 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:26.400 headset now 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:27.720 and I won't get carpal tunnel. 00:02:27.720 --> 00:02:28.810 - It also looks very cute on 00:02:28.810 --> 00:02:30.400 you, I have to say. 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:31.810 - Shit, I didn't know you cared 00:02:31.810 --> 00:02:31.960 . 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:33.440 (laughing) 00:02:33.440 --> 00:02:34.790 - Hey Dave, I thought of a new 00:02:34.790 --> 00:02:36.720 way to start the show. 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:37.880 - How's that? 00:02:37.880 --> 00:02:39.280 - By telling everyone that, 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:39.840 welcome, 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:41.440 this show is actually airing. 00:02:41.440 --> 00:02:43.120 (laughing) 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:44.830 This is not a show that was 00:02:44.830 --> 00:02:45.440 lost. 00:02:45.440 --> 00:02:47.760 - Oh, whoa, yeah, go ahead. 00:02:47.760 --> 00:02:49.170 Oh I have to straighten you out 00:02:49.170 --> 00:02:49.840 on something, 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.760 when you talk about Murphy's 00:02:51.760 --> 00:02:52.080 Law. 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:53.120 - Yeah. 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:54.800 - And if you say something's 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:55.960 really gonna work 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:57.660 and how that, you have to 00:02:57.660 --> 00:02:58.840 remember Murphy's Law. 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:00.360 - Yeah. 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:01.410 - So you sort of imply that 00:03:01.410 --> 00:03:02.680 Murphy's only around 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:04.760 when you do things like that, 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:07.140 but first, no, that's not true, 00:03:07.140 --> 00:03:07.880 right? 00:03:07.880 --> 00:03:09.500 No matter what you do, Murphy's 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:10.320 Law applies. 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:12.130 It's, famous last words is what 00:03:12.130 --> 00:03:13.360 you're tempting. 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:17.680 So say, if people hear this, 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:18.770 you know you just lost the 00:03:18.770 --> 00:03:19.760 whole recording. 00:03:19.760 --> 00:03:21.480 (laughing) 00:03:21.480 --> 00:03:25.080 - Right, okay, so it's famous 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:26.240 last words, 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.120 but isn't it tempting, Murphy? 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:30.240 - Murphy doesn't eat any tempt 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:31.000 ations. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:32.640 - He's always there. 00:03:32.640 --> 00:03:34.820 - Yeah, you're like, the only 00:03:34.820 --> 00:03:35.720 proper attitude 00:03:35.720 --> 00:03:37.790 to take there is, I'm not 00:03:37.790 --> 00:03:39.760 worthy, I'm not worthy. 00:03:39.760 --> 00:03:40.800 - All right. 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:42.160 - Which reminds me of Don and 00:03:42.160 --> 00:03:42.600 Drew. 00:03:42.600 --> 00:03:44.280 (laughing) 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:45.800 - You mean Wayne's World. 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:47.080 - Yeah, well, same difference. 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:48.780 Everybody else is tapping into 00:03:48.780 --> 00:03:49.080 that, 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.600 and I have not ever said that 00:03:51.600 --> 00:03:52.880 publicly. 00:03:52.880 --> 00:03:54.240 - No, you told me, and then I 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:55.920 started telling everybody. 00:03:55.920 --> 00:03:56.760 - That what it is. 00:03:56.760 --> 00:03:57.720 - Oh. 00:03:57.720 --> 00:03:59.280 - And did you finally hear the 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.440 WNYC interview? 00:04:01.440 --> 00:04:02.540 - Oh, I haven't had a chance to 00:04:02.540 --> 00:04:03.160 see that yet. 00:04:03.160 --> 00:04:06.060 - Because I'm glad, because I 00:04:06.060 --> 00:04:06.880 disclaimed it 00:04:06.880 --> 00:04:08.600 in the source code yesterday. 00:04:08.600 --> 00:04:09.950 As I was listening to the 00:04:09.950 --> 00:04:10.760 interview, 00:04:10.760 --> 00:04:12.920 I opened my mouth and you came 00:04:12.920 --> 00:04:14.560 out a couple times. 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:15.800 - Oh, what's wrong with that? 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.080 - Nothing, nothing. 00:04:18.080 --> 00:04:19.760 - My mother would like that. 00:04:19.760 --> 00:04:21.590 - Yeah, but there was no little 00:04:21.590 --> 00:04:22.320 copyright line 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:24.680 that said, yeah, hon? 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:25.520 (speaking in foreign language) 00:04:25.520 --> 00:04:26.680 (speaking in foreign language) 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:27.610 - Oh, but we did check your 00:04:27.610 --> 00:04:28.240 answer a lot. 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:29.160 - Now I'm talking to Dave, we 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:30.120 're doing trade secrets. 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:31.560 - Oh, from that I didn't know, 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.120 your name is really crazy. 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.120 (laughing) 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:36.360 - I'm the play date, remember? 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:37.650 - We're having a play date, 00:04:37.650 --> 00:04:38.320 remember? 00:04:38.320 --> 00:04:39.320 - I didn't know that. 00:04:39.320 --> 00:04:40.360 - Okay, yeah. 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:41.940 - I thought you were talking to 00:04:41.940 --> 00:04:42.680 yourself. 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.280 - No, but we're talking about 00:04:44.280 --> 00:04:45.680 you, don't worry. 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.800 You and David, your lover boy. 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.160 She's great. 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.930 - So I want to tell you this 00:04:52.930 --> 00:04:54.840 little epiphany. 00:04:54.840 --> 00:04:59.140 When I saw yesterday that, what 00:04:59.140 --> 00:04:59.480 was it? 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.520 Northwest Public Radio? 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:02.900 This was straight out of the 00:05:02.900 --> 00:05:03.360 blue. 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.760 I just happened to be reading 00:05:05.760 --> 00:05:07.120 audio.weblogs.com 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.010 just sort of poking around to 00:05:09.010 --> 00:05:09.880 see 00:05:09.880 --> 00:05:10.960 if there was anything new there 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:10.960 . 00:05:10.960 --> 00:05:12.520 And I saw this feed from 00:05:12.520 --> 00:05:13.680 Northwest Public Radio 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:15.930 and I clicked on it and looked 00:05:15.930 --> 00:05:16.240 at it 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.120 and lo and behold, there's a 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.120 podcast feed. 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:22.370 And I went to the site and it's 00:05:22.370 --> 00:05:25.560 run by, 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:27.320 it's coming out of Washington 00:05:27.320 --> 00:05:29.120 State University, Wazoo. 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:30.080 - Yeah, it makes sense. 00:05:30.080 --> 00:05:31.600 Yeah, well there's a lot going 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:31.720 on 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.260 in the Northwest with podcast 00:05:33.260 --> 00:05:33.680 ing. 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:34.960 - Wasn't that that hit me? 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:37.520 What it was that I realized now 00:05:37.520 --> 00:05:40.950 that here you and I are, we're 00:05:40.950 --> 00:05:42.280 like two schmucks, 00:05:43.280 --> 00:05:44.750 or at least that's how I think 00:05:44.750 --> 00:05:45.040 of it. 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:45.880 - Boy. 00:05:45.880 --> 00:05:47.520 - And we decide to do something 00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:49.200 and then three months, two 00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:50.080 months or three months 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:51.780 or four years later, it doesn't 00:05:51.780 --> 00:05:53.320 matter how long it is. 00:05:53.320 --> 00:05:55.050 We just decided to do it and 00:05:55.050 --> 00:05:56.800 now they're all doing it. 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.220 And it feels like the world 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:01.960 works differently that now, 00:06:01.960 --> 00:06:04.760 than the way I always thought, 00:06:04.760 --> 00:06:06.890 we've succeeded at something 00:06:06.890 --> 00:06:07.960 basically. 00:06:07.960 --> 00:06:11.120 - Hey mom, look no hands. 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:11.960 - Right, that's it. 00:06:11.960 --> 00:06:13.390 - We've succeeded, that was the 00:06:13.390 --> 00:06:13.840 feeling. 00:06:13.840 --> 00:06:15.620 It was the feeling of, oh my 00:06:15.620 --> 00:06:15.920 God, 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.100 we actually succeeded at 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:17.640 something. 00:06:17.640 --> 00:06:19.460 'Cause I'm used to trying 00:06:19.460 --> 00:06:20.400 really hard 00:06:20.400 --> 00:06:22.240 and fighting the good fight, 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.450 being a good person and not 00:06:24.450 --> 00:06:25.360 cutting corners 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:27.800 and not succeeding. 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.590 But this thing, now I kinda 00:06:30.590 --> 00:06:31.000 wonder 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.310 if they would let me do it 00:06:32.310 --> 00:06:32.880 again. 00:06:32.880 --> 00:06:35.040 - Well that's interesting and 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.720 you should be congratulated 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:39.050 because a lot of, well all of 00:06:39.050 --> 00:06:41.320 this is because of RSS. 00:06:41.320 --> 00:06:42.940 And it was interesting 'cause I 00:06:42.940 --> 00:06:43.600 was talking 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.560 to a friend of mine today 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:50.000 and he was trying to figure out 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:51.560 what this is all about 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.430 and was interested in podcast 00:06:54.430 --> 00:06:55.800 ing, et cetera, 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:57.440 not technical at all and said, 00:06:57.440 --> 00:07:01.640 so is RSS really what makes, 00:07:01.640 --> 00:07:03.280 is that what powers podcasting? 00:07:03.280 --> 00:07:05.620 Or am I also seeing that 00:07:05.620 --> 00:07:06.320 podcasting 00:07:06.320 --> 00:07:08.160 is shining a new light on RSS? 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:09.410 And I thought, wow, that's a 00:07:09.410 --> 00:07:10.360 good observation. 00:07:11.280 --> 00:07:12.860 It is, it's both, both are true 00:07:12.860 --> 00:07:13.200 . 00:07:13.200 --> 00:07:16.200 And that came up and I did an 00:07:16.200 --> 00:07:18.200 IT conversations 00:07:18.200 --> 00:07:19.700 interview yesterday with Doug 00:07:19.700 --> 00:07:20.080 Kay. 00:07:20.080 --> 00:07:21.440 - He has that out yet? 00:07:21.440 --> 00:07:22.880 - Oh, it'll be out on Monday. 00:07:22.880 --> 00:07:26.710 And that came up and we talked 00:07:26.710 --> 00:07:29.280 all around that. 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:31.060 It's sort of like, you know, 00:07:31.060 --> 00:07:31.840 podcasting 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:33.780 is a conversation shifter, 00:07:33.780 --> 00:07:35.400 basically, for RSS. 00:07:35.400 --> 00:07:39.240 And we sort of figured that out 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.670 after I had talked for quite a 00:07:41.670 --> 00:07:42.000 bit 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.660 about how important it is to 00:07:43.660 --> 00:07:44.800 focus on users, 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:47.320 that too much focus has been on 00:07:47.320 --> 00:07:49.400 the developers. 00:07:49.400 --> 00:07:50.600 And it's just not that 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:51.800 interesting a story. 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.230 Most people don't care about 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:53.520 things 00:07:53.520 --> 00:07:55.160 that developers care about. 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:56.880 And frankly, developers should 00:07:56.880 --> 00:07:57.960 only, in my opinion, 00:07:57.960 --> 00:07:59.500 should only care about the 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:00.720 things that they care about 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:02.550 insofar as it enables the users 00:08:02.550 --> 00:08:03.520 to do things. 00:08:03.520 --> 00:08:04.640 - Right. 00:08:04.640 --> 00:08:06.970 - So much of the conversation 00:08:06.970 --> 00:08:08.000 about RSS, 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.080 if you were to like just sort 00:08:09.080 --> 00:08:10.560 of like, you know, 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:12.620 read every article about RSS, 00:08:12.620 --> 00:08:13.640 tell me what percentage 00:08:13.640 --> 00:08:15.420 of the articles was about the 00:08:15.420 --> 00:08:15.880 cool things 00:08:15.880 --> 00:08:17.500 people were doing with it 00:08:17.500 --> 00:08:19.080 versus the arguments 00:08:19.080 --> 00:08:20.580 that geeks have about it, you 00:08:20.580 --> 00:08:21.040 know? 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.480 - Well, probably 1%. 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.700 - Yeah, and now it's completely 00:08:24.700 --> 00:08:25.920 flip flopped. 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:27.440 - It's flip flopped, yeah. 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:28.470 - And so when like, when you 00:08:28.470 --> 00:08:28.840 look at that 00:08:28.840 --> 00:08:29.970 New York Times article that 00:08:29.970 --> 00:08:31.240 came out yesterday, 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:32.920 you know, my ego takes a little 00:08:32.920 --> 00:08:34.320 bit of a hit. 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.620 Although, you know, it's not so 00:08:36.620 --> 00:08:36.920 bad 00:08:36.920 --> 00:08:38.630 because, you know, I like, I 00:08:38.630 --> 00:08:40.120 even love everybody 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:41.680 that is getting the light shown 00:08:41.680 --> 00:08:42.240 on them. 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:43.530 I really, you know, this is, 00:08:43.530 --> 00:08:45.840 nobody's, you know, 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:46.620 it's a beautiful little 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:47.000 community. 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:47.950 Everybody kind of likes each 00:08:47.950 --> 00:08:48.280 other. 00:08:48.280 --> 00:08:49.480 Yeah, there's some jealousies 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:50.520 here and there, of course, 00:08:50.520 --> 00:08:51.920 'cause we're human beings. 00:08:51.920 --> 00:08:53.540 But, you know, the technology 00:08:53.540 --> 00:08:54.200 got put 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.100 in its proper perspective as 00:08:56.100 --> 00:08:58.040 enabling this nice thing. 00:08:58.040 --> 00:09:01.290 Not as, not as being the thing 00:09:01.290 --> 00:09:02.120 itself. 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.550 And this is sort of a disease 00:09:04.550 --> 00:09:05.440 that has been, 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:06.640 ever since I came to Silicon 00:09:06.640 --> 00:09:08.600 Valley in like '79, 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:10.750 you know, that was sort of the 00:09:10.750 --> 00:09:11.200 beginning 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:12.280 of the rise of Apple. 00:09:12.280 --> 00:09:13.760 Apple had just gone public then 00:09:13.760 --> 00:09:14.400 . 00:09:14.400 --> 00:09:15.850 And they were, you know, this 00:09:15.850 --> 00:09:16.520 whole idea that, 00:09:16.520 --> 00:09:17.750 oh wow, these guys must really 00:09:17.750 --> 00:09:18.320 know something 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.200 because they can take this, you 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:20.360 know, 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:21.440 like little computer that we 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:22.120 don't understand 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:23.200 and turn it into billions of 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.040 dollars, right? 00:09:24.040 --> 00:09:25.520 - Yeah, that's a good trick. 00:09:25.520 --> 00:09:26.980 - Right, well, people really 00:09:26.980 --> 00:09:27.920 are in awe of that. 00:09:27.920 --> 00:09:29.160 They look at that as well. 00:09:29.160 --> 00:09:30.370 You know, we need to understand 00:09:30.370 --> 00:09:31.120 more about this. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:32.680 So, and of course, the people 00:09:32.680 --> 00:09:34.520 that made the billions 00:09:34.520 --> 00:09:35.800 of dollars really didn't 00:09:35.800 --> 00:09:36.920 understand much more 00:09:36.920 --> 00:09:38.380 than the people who didn't make 00:09:38.380 --> 00:09:39.120 the billions. 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:40.660 - They were just as amazed as 00:09:40.660 --> 00:09:41.680 the rest of us. 00:09:41.680 --> 00:09:42.840 - Right, but some of them were 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:43.480 good at acting, 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:44.720 not so amazed, like Steve Jobs. 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.320 - Steve Jobs, right. 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:47.990 - Steve Jobs put his fingertips 00:09:47.990 --> 00:09:48.560 together 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:50.180 and took a deep breath and 00:09:50.180 --> 00:09:51.320 looked peaceful. 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:52.540 And everybody said, well, there 00:09:52.540 --> 00:09:53.120 's a young man 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:54.610 who gets something and we wanna 00:09:54.610 --> 00:09:55.560 get some of that. 00:09:55.560 --> 00:09:56.560 - And you know what? 00:09:56.560 --> 00:09:58.590 I am in many ways a student of 00:09:58.590 --> 00:09:59.680 Steve Jobs. 00:09:59.680 --> 00:10:01.440 Not that I model myself after 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:01.640 him, 00:10:01.640 --> 00:10:04.200 but I think he does a good show 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:05.120 , man. 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:06.810 - Totally, I mean, you know, I 00:10:06.810 --> 00:10:09.800 said about, 00:10:09.800 --> 00:10:10.960 I was at the Democratic 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:12.760 National Convention this year, 00:10:12.760 --> 00:10:14.830 you know, blogging it, and that 00:10:14.830 --> 00:10:15.720 was one of my comments, 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:16.760 was these guys could learn a 00:10:16.760 --> 00:10:17.800 lot from Steve Jobs. 00:10:17.800 --> 00:10:19.560 - Yeah, you're fucking A, 00:10:19.560 --> 00:10:20.640 absolutely. 00:10:20.640 --> 00:10:22.670 - There was no moment of, there 00:10:22.670 --> 00:10:23.880 was no showmanship to it. 00:10:23.880 --> 00:10:25.720 It was no sort of pregnant, I 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:25.960 mean, 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:28.090 Steve Jobs is like a Ron Popeal 00:10:28.090 --> 00:10:29.080 , you know. 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:30.450 - Yeah, with the pocket 00:10:30.450 --> 00:10:31.320 fisherman. 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:32.480 - Shameless, I mean. 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:34.200 (laughing) 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:35.270 A lot of something I should 00:10:35.270 --> 00:10:36.040 tell you about this, 00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:37.800 and you go, yeah, sure, come on 00:10:37.800 --> 00:10:38.000 . 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:39.080 - Right. 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:40.040 - Do you forgive him for it? 00:10:40.040 --> 00:10:41.920 Because he's just so smart. 00:10:41.920 --> 00:10:43.040 - Although he went overboard, 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:43.280 man. 00:10:43.280 --> 00:10:44.760 They're getting lazy over there 00:10:44.760 --> 00:10:46.480 with the whole U2 thing. 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.070 It was like, that to me is not 00:10:48.070 --> 00:10:49.400 a slam dunk anymore. 00:10:49.400 --> 00:10:51.240 That was pathetic. 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:53.230 Did you hear the comment 00:10:53.230 --> 00:10:56.600 Christina made, my daughter? 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.280 She said, 'cause I was watching 00:10:59.280 --> 00:11:00.560 U2 with her 00:11:00.560 --> 00:11:03.400 doing this iPod presentation, 00:11:03.400 --> 00:11:05.070 and Bono was going on and on 00:11:05.070 --> 00:11:06.920 about, you know, 00:11:06.920 --> 00:11:08.240 it was just, it was sickening. 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:09.520 And she says, hey dad, I said, 00:11:09.520 --> 00:11:10.840 yeah. 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.480 Did U2 ever not suck? 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.160 (laughing) 00:11:14.160 --> 00:11:16.190 She's 14, you know, like right 00:11:16.190 --> 00:11:16.560 on. 00:11:16.560 --> 00:11:19.800 (laughing) 00:11:19.800 --> 00:11:21.160 - Well, the answer is that 00:11:21.160 --> 00:11:21.840 there was a time 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:22.680 when they did not suck, 00:11:22.680 --> 00:11:23.880 when they were doing the kind 00:11:23.880 --> 00:11:24.560 of shit we were, 00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:25.760 that we're doing now, you know. 00:11:25.760 --> 00:11:26.600 - Yeah. 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.200 Although I have to say, 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:29.920 I met Bono a long time ago, 00:11:29.920 --> 00:11:32.000 and I kind of thought it was a 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.440 dick, really. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.040 - Really? - Yeah. 00:11:35.040 --> 00:11:36.030 - I don't usually hold that 00:11:36.030 --> 00:11:37.240 against people, you know? 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:38.400 - No, that could have been just 00:11:38.400 --> 00:11:38.480 a, 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:39.370 it was like one of those 00:11:39.370 --> 00:11:40.320 backstage interviews 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:41.450 at a concert, you know, he may 00:11:41.450 --> 00:11:42.040 have just been like, 00:11:42.040 --> 00:11:42.940 I don't want to fucking deal 00:11:42.940 --> 00:11:43.400 with this. 00:11:43.400 --> 00:11:44.400 And the other guys were really 00:11:44.400 --> 00:11:44.600 nice, 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:45.990 and they were like, oh, what's 00:11:45.990 --> 00:11:46.880 wrong with Bono? 00:11:46.880 --> 00:11:49.120 (laughing) 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:49.960 - No. 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.440 Yeah. 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.680 Well, I don't know, I think we 00:11:54.680 --> 00:11:55.640 could do a lot better 00:11:55.640 --> 00:11:56.480 than the iPod. 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.360 I would like to see Apple 00:11:58.360 --> 00:11:59.720 trying to do that, 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:01.610 but I'd also think that, you 00:12:01.610 --> 00:12:01.800 know, 00:12:01.800 --> 00:12:05.350 it's kind of disappointing in a 00:12:05.350 --> 00:12:05.520 way 00:12:05.520 --> 00:12:06.790 that we're not engaged in a 00:12:06.790 --> 00:12:07.400 conversation 00:12:07.400 --> 00:12:08.240 with Apple right now. 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:09.500 I mean, you could have said 00:12:09.500 --> 00:12:10.320 until yesterday 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:11.450 that it was not on the, you 00:12:11.450 --> 00:12:11.640 know, 00:12:11.640 --> 00:12:12.720 it was beneath their radar, 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:13.670 how would they even see it, 00:12:13.670 --> 00:12:14.040 right? 00:12:14.040 --> 00:12:15.040 - Right. 00:12:15.040 --> 00:12:16.880 - You know, but an article, 00:12:16.880 --> 00:12:18.570 and maybe they didn't see it 00:12:18.570 --> 00:12:19.480 because, 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.320 you know, yesterday was also, 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:23.540 there were also articles in 00:12:23.540 --> 00:12:25.200 actually today's paper. 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:26.040 - Yeah, I was gonna say, 00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:28.180 because this came after the iP 00:12:28.180 --> 00:12:29.960 od press conference. 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:31.490 - Correct, and so there's all 00:12:31.490 --> 00:12:32.560 this press in there, 00:12:32.560 --> 00:12:34.360 also about iPods, you know, 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.320 news from Apple about iPods. 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:37.330 You know, so it's sometimes 00:12:37.330 --> 00:12:38.080 hard to forget, 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:39.380 you know, we hear about things 00:12:39.380 --> 00:12:40.240 a little bit earlier, 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.820 and, but there was a sort of 00:12:42.820 --> 00:12:43.760 news cycle there, 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:44.670 and we were sort of mixed in 00:12:44.670 --> 00:12:45.040 with it, 00:12:45.040 --> 00:12:47.740 but, and this is something I 00:12:47.740 --> 00:12:48.160 regret 00:12:48.160 --> 00:12:49.640 not talking about with Doug K, 00:12:49.640 --> 00:12:51.240 and I realized, you know, 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:52.440 a couple of hours after having 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:52.880 done it, 00:12:52.880 --> 00:12:53.960 the one thing we didn't talk 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:54.440 about is, 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.600 okay, from a technologist's 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:57.800 point of view, 00:12:57.800 --> 00:13:00.270 what could we do better in the 00:13:00.270 --> 00:13:00.720 iPod? 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:02.000 What's missing in the iPod? 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.240 And now, after, you know, these 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:04.640 months, 00:13:04.640 --> 00:13:06.520 many, many, many, many weeks. 00:13:06.520 --> 00:13:08.210 - We have a pretty good idea of 00:13:08.210 --> 00:13:10.000 some improvements. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.880 - Idea about where the feelings 00:13:11.880 --> 00:13:12.280 of this, 00:13:12.280 --> 00:13:13.360 you know, little product is. 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.520 I mean, I got the first clue, 00:13:15.520 --> 00:13:16.940 it's not just the iPod, it's 00:13:16.940 --> 00:13:17.880 the whole system. 00:13:17.880 --> 00:13:18.720 - Yeah. 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.040 - My first clue, where was I? 00:13:20.040 --> 00:13:21.600 I think I was in like Kentucky 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.360 or Tennessee or something, 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.370 and I was recording a podcast 00:13:25.370 --> 00:13:26.600 in my car driving, 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.410 and I set it up in the rest 00:13:29.410 --> 00:13:30.040 area, 00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:33.600 and I got going, 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.980 and I set it up so that all I 00:13:36.980 --> 00:13:37.320 had to do 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.530 was click the mouse to start 00:13:39.530 --> 00:13:41.280 recording, okay? 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:42.120 - Mm-hmm. 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.880 - And just that act, I almost 00:13:43.880 --> 00:13:45.120 drove off the road, 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:46.950 because the coordination 00:13:46.950 --> 00:13:48.240 required to do that, 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:50.320 the eye, your eye has to be on 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:51.800 the screen of the computer 00:13:51.800 --> 00:13:52.970 in order to actually pull that 00:13:52.970 --> 00:13:53.280 off. 00:13:53.280 --> 00:13:54.640 Otherwise you can't move the, 00:13:54.640 --> 00:13:56.130 you can't even move the mouse 00:13:56.130 --> 00:13:56.680 right. 00:13:56.680 --> 00:13:57.850 - Right, or you move it a 00:13:57.850 --> 00:13:58.600 little too far 00:13:58.600 --> 00:13:59.300 and you click on the wrong 00:13:59.300 --> 00:13:59.600 thing. 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:00.810 You have to be sure you're on 00:14:00.810 --> 00:14:02.120 the target when you click. 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:03.960 So that part really sucks. 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:05.160 - Imagine doing that in a 00:14:05.160 --> 00:14:06.320 helicopter, dude. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:07.320 - No, I wouldn't want to do 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:08.640 that in a helicopter, dude. 00:14:08.640 --> 00:14:09.880 - But tomorrow I'm doing one 00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:11.200 from an airplane though. 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:12.430 I'm gonna do my source code 00:14:12.430 --> 00:14:13.000 from the airplane, 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.400 but that's another story. 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:15.990 - Yeah, I mean, I don't want 00:14:15.990 --> 00:14:17.040 you doing it 00:14:17.040 --> 00:14:18.160 in the helicopter either, you 00:14:18.160 --> 00:14:18.520 know. 00:14:18.520 --> 00:14:19.740 - No, I'll have a safety pilot, 00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:20.880 don't worry. 00:14:20.880 --> 00:14:21.720 - Okay. 00:14:22.520 --> 00:14:23.920 - Right, I mean, don't drive 00:14:23.920 --> 00:14:25.200 into like any, you know, 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:26.300 power lines or anything like 00:14:26.300 --> 00:14:27.040 that, you know. 00:14:27.040 --> 00:14:28.970 - No, then that is the number 00:14:28.970 --> 00:14:30.960 one killer in helicopters. 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.470 - So then there's the other 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:34.120 side of it, 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:35.980 which is the playback, which is 00:14:35.980 --> 00:14:37.120 far more common. 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.080 I mean, most podcasts honestly 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.240 aren't recorded in cars, 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.600 but why shouldn't that be easy? 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:44.960 It should be. 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.380 And you know, following the, 00:14:46.380 --> 00:14:46.600 you know, 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:48.750 what was the magic of the Apple 00:14:48.750 --> 00:14:50.280 II, or the IBM PC, 00:14:50.280 --> 00:14:52.180 or the Macintosh, or any of 00:14:52.180 --> 00:14:53.360 these, you know, 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:54.510 I think we kind of lost sight 00:14:54.510 --> 00:14:55.920 of it after a while. 00:14:55.920 --> 00:14:57.780 What the magic was is that they 00:14:57.780 --> 00:14:59.360 weren't just reading machines, 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:00.680 they were also writing machines 00:15:00.680 --> 00:15:00.720 . 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:02.260 - Right on. 00:15:02.260 --> 00:15:04.040 - You could develop software, 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:04.940 and I think that you're 00:15:04.940 --> 00:15:06.080 following through on that, 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:07.620 and maybe it's just an 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:09.120 intuitive thing. 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.500 Maybe there's no way of proving 00:15:10.500 --> 00:15:11.360 that it's right, 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.430 but somehow it was wrong, it 00:15:13.430 --> 00:15:14.520 felt wrong. 00:15:14.520 --> 00:15:16.040 Like the VizyCal guys, for 00:15:16.040 --> 00:15:16.680 example, 00:15:16.680 --> 00:15:18.510 they did their Apple II 00:15:18.510 --> 00:15:21.680 development on a Macintosh. 00:15:21.680 --> 00:15:23.200 Iron. 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.910 And I didn't, I wouldn't do 00:15:25.910 --> 00:15:26.120 that, 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:27.100 and a lot of people wouldn't do 00:15:27.100 --> 00:15:27.400 that. 00:15:27.400 --> 00:15:28.880 We felt we should develop our 00:15:28.880 --> 00:15:30.640 software on the computer 00:15:30.640 --> 00:15:32.600 that we wanted people to use, 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.600 because that way we would learn 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:36.040 the limits 00:15:36.040 --> 00:15:37.910 of the machine better, and our 00:15:37.910 --> 00:15:39.280 software would more fit 00:15:39.280 --> 00:15:41.520 into the flow of a user who 00:15:41.520 --> 00:15:43.520 uses the computer. 00:15:43.520 --> 00:15:44.410 - Which is exactly what we're 00:15:44.410 --> 00:15:45.920 doing with creating podcasts, 00:15:45.920 --> 00:15:46.860 where we're all trying to 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:47.760 figure out how to do it 00:15:47.760 --> 00:15:49.600 on the computer we're using. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.450 - But let's point out something 00:15:52.450 --> 00:15:52.920 here 00:15:52.920 --> 00:15:54.110 that we're not really doing 00:15:54.110 --> 00:15:54.360 that, 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.310 because the desktop computer is 00:15:58.310 --> 00:15:59.360 like the mini computer, 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.640 and the iPod is the platform. 00:16:01.640 --> 00:16:03.150 Remember we call this the iPod 00:16:03.150 --> 00:16:03.880 platform. 00:16:03.880 --> 00:16:05.170 So there's something really out 00:16:05.170 --> 00:16:05.760 of whack here, 00:16:05.760 --> 00:16:07.410 because we have a playback 00:16:07.410 --> 00:16:07.960 machine, 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:09.020 and you can't create the 00:16:09.020 --> 00:16:10.450 content on the playback machine 00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:10.480 . 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:12.960 - Right on, okay, good point. 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:14.440 - That's wrong. 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.410 That almost certainly is a 00:16:17.410 --> 00:16:18.920 fatal flaw, okay? 00:16:18.920 --> 00:16:20.200 We can't see it right now, 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:21.390 because we don't have any 00:16:21.390 --> 00:16:22.040 alternative, 00:16:22.040 --> 00:16:24.440 because there really is, you 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:24.440 know, 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.080 as bad as the user interface on 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:26.840 the iPod is, 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:28.360 and I think it's really bad, 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:30.200 even though it's really bad, it 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.000 's the best out there, okay? 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.280 Really suck much worse. 00:16:34.280 --> 00:16:38.040 And, but you know, you can't 00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:39.280 record on an iPod. 00:16:39.280 --> 00:16:42.040 I tried, you know, this is a, 00:16:42.040 --> 00:16:43.940 I was listening to Daily Source 00:16:43.940 --> 00:16:45.960 Code one day driving in, 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.500 I was driving from the east 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:48.760 side of Seattle, 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:50.600 across Lake Washington, 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.360 and then getting onto this big 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:53.440 sort of freeway connector 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.280 that gets you onto I-5, 00:16:55.280 --> 00:16:57.140 and it's kind of a hairy little 00:16:57.140 --> 00:16:57.320 , 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:58.860 but I was listening, you said 00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:00.000 something really funny, 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:01.410 and I wanted to hear it again, 00:17:01.410 --> 00:17:01.880 okay? 00:17:01.880 --> 00:17:03.040 And-- - Oh, you have to hit 00:17:03.040 --> 00:17:05.100 the middle button, swivel the 00:17:05.100 --> 00:17:06.560 wheel to the left. 00:17:06.560 --> 00:17:07.600 - Adam, it's ridiculous. 00:17:07.600 --> 00:17:09.060 I ended up listening to Daily 00:17:09.060 --> 00:17:11.000 Source Code from the beginning, 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.120 and it was days old. 00:17:13.120 --> 00:17:14.920 - But of course it was just 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:16.200 like yesterday's spaghetti, 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:17.280 wasn't it? 00:17:17.280 --> 00:17:18.600 - It was really tasty. 00:17:18.600 --> 00:17:21.480 (laughing) 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:22.320 - No, but you know what? 00:17:22.320 --> 00:17:24.200 You're absolutely right, 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:26.830 and I get such a kick out of 00:17:26.830 --> 00:17:28.600 the Trio podcast. 00:17:28.600 --> 00:17:29.760 Have you been following this 00:17:29.760 --> 00:17:30.300 guy? 00:17:30.300 --> 00:17:34.040 Oh, he's on the openpodcast.org 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:34.040 . 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:36.040 He checked, actually now he has 00:17:36.040 --> 00:17:37.640 mobilepodcast.org, 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:39.700 is where you can find his 00:17:39.700 --> 00:17:41.080 podcast feed, 00:17:41.080 --> 00:17:43.430 and he's figuring out, with all 00:17:43.430 --> 00:17:45.000 different kinds of software, 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:46.490 how to actually create his 00:17:46.490 --> 00:17:48.120 entire podcast 00:17:48.120 --> 00:17:50.230 with music, with sound, on the 00:17:50.230 --> 00:17:50.680 Trio, 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:52.670 and it's really cool to listen 00:17:52.670 --> 00:17:53.800 to him figure it all out. 00:17:53.800 --> 00:17:56.580 And now you see that's a cell 00:17:56.580 --> 00:17:57.600 phone. 00:17:57.600 --> 00:17:59.560 Who's eating, who's lunch? 00:17:59.560 --> 00:18:01.140 - Tell you what, yeah, no, no, 00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:01.880 that's right. 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.630 Cell phones have, I mean, one 00:18:04.630 --> 00:18:06.120 of the ways to figure it out 00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:07.710 is where's the best place to 00:18:07.710 --> 00:18:08.520 play this stuff, 00:18:08.520 --> 00:18:10.360 is to look to see what hardware 00:18:10.360 --> 00:18:11.680 you need to pull this off, 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:13.720 right, and then the portable 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:14.240 device 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.990 that has all the hardware 00:18:15.990 --> 00:18:16.840 components 00:18:16.840 --> 00:18:18.520 is a pretty good chance that 00:18:18.520 --> 00:18:19.520 that's the one you want. 00:18:19.520 --> 00:18:21.160 And cell phones have a lot of 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:22.280 it, I mean, 00:18:22.280 --> 00:18:23.740 and a lot more than the iPod 00:18:23.740 --> 00:18:24.280 does. 00:18:24.280 --> 00:18:26.040 - In fact, I think that the new 00:18:26.040 --> 00:18:26.960 gen cell phones 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:29.640 I'm seeing here, in particular, 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.280 there's a Sony Ericsson, 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.390 that I think it still needs 00:18:35.390 --> 00:18:36.880 some software 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:38.200 to make it easy for people, 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.280 but you can already do a full 00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:42.000 blown podcast. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.560 It's not as simple because you 00:18:44.560 --> 00:18:45.840 're not dealing with a mouse, 00:18:45.840 --> 00:18:47.010 where you can just whip over to 00:18:47.010 --> 00:18:47.280 this 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:48.800 and click that player and then 00:18:48.800 --> 00:18:49.720 have that player go. 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:51.080 So we need some software to 00:18:51.080 --> 00:18:51.560 develop, 00:18:51.560 --> 00:18:53.350 but I think the hardware bits 00:18:53.350 --> 00:18:54.320 are in it. 00:18:54.320 --> 00:18:56.290 - I don't mind if I do the post 00:18:56.290 --> 00:18:56.520 , 00:18:56.520 --> 00:18:57.580 as you know, I don't do very 00:18:57.580 --> 00:18:58.560 much post production, 00:18:58.560 --> 00:19:00.080 I don't do any. 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:01.250 I listen to it after it's been 00:19:01.250 --> 00:19:01.680 uploaded, 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:04.810 but I don't mind doing that 00:19:04.810 --> 00:19:06.680 part on the laptop, 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.780 especially if I can connect the 00:19:08.780 --> 00:19:09.480 device up 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:11.870 to my laptop via a USB 00:19:11.870 --> 00:19:13.320 connection. 00:19:13.320 --> 00:19:14.840 And that's the-- 00:19:14.840 --> 00:19:16.070 - That's the big one, that's 00:19:16.070 --> 00:19:17.200 the big clincher. 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:18.470 - That's what the iPod does 00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:19.960 that the cell phones don't, 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.400 why is the iPod such an 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.720 attractive way to do this? 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:25.560 There are two reasons. 00:19:25.560 --> 00:19:27.760 One is, maybe three. 00:19:27.760 --> 00:19:30.540 First and foremost is the 00:19:30.540 --> 00:19:32.440 install base. 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.490 It's got a fucking huge install 00:19:34.490 --> 00:19:35.080 base. 00:19:35.080 --> 00:19:36.020 - Six million. 00:19:36.020 --> 00:19:39.410 - Okay, maybe it's not that big 00:19:39.410 --> 00:19:40.880 , but-- 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:42.680 - No, just the iPod, just the 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:44.240 iPod is six million. 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:46.000 - And I think that, but it's 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:47.920 the install base relative to 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:48.520 the, 00:19:48.520 --> 00:19:49.270 well, okay, let's leave it 00:19:49.270 --> 00:19:49.560 there. 00:19:49.560 --> 00:19:51.740 Say that it's the install base 00:19:51.740 --> 00:19:52.240 is big. 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.400 It's also the USB connection. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.150 And it's the lame user 00:19:58.150 --> 00:19:59.240 interface 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.990 that's better than any other 00:20:00.990 --> 00:20:02.280 lame user interface. 00:20:02.280 --> 00:20:03.810 But you take that USB 00:20:03.810 --> 00:20:04.720 connection, 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.100 and if the phone guys would get 00:20:07.100 --> 00:20:08.100 their shit together 00:20:08.100 --> 00:20:10.430 and realize that we need that 00:20:10.430 --> 00:20:11.920 kind of connection 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:14.900 between our cell phones and our 00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:16.560 laptop computers, 00:20:16.560 --> 00:20:18.000 then something really could 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.760 happen there. 00:20:18.760 --> 00:20:20.030 And the fact that we have a 00:20:20.030 --> 00:20:20.820 data format, 00:20:20.820 --> 00:20:23.010 we actually have two data 00:20:23.010 --> 00:20:23.040 formats. 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:24.440 - Three. 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:25.280 What are the three? 00:20:25.280 --> 00:20:26.800 OPML, RS, and what? 00:20:26.800 --> 00:20:28.360 - And MP3? 00:20:28.360 --> 00:20:29.880 - And MP3, of course, duh. 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:31.420 Right, so we've, but MP3 is 00:20:31.420 --> 00:20:32.520 well established, 00:20:32.520 --> 00:20:34.700 but we still have to convince 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:36.120 the cell phone people 00:20:36.120 --> 00:20:38.580 and, for that matter, the iPod 00:20:38.580 --> 00:20:39.440 people 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:40.660 that these are formats that are 00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:41.400 worth supporting. 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:43.440 Once they're supported, 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.890 there's a lot more that we can 00:20:45.890 --> 00:20:47.560 do with that USB connection. 00:20:47.560 --> 00:20:49.100 - Well, I think the cell phone 00:20:49.100 --> 00:20:49.640 people, 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:52.280 I don't know how good they are 00:20:52.280 --> 00:20:53.690 at paying attention and 00:20:53.690 --> 00:20:54.560 listening. 00:20:54.560 --> 00:20:55.680 I know that they need this 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.670 because that competition is unf 00:20:57.670 --> 00:20:58.720 ucking believable. 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.190 Nokia, they freaked out about a 00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:01.900 year ago, 00:21:01.900 --> 00:21:03.210 and they said, Jesus, we've 00:21:03.210 --> 00:21:04.400 just lost all our market share. 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:06.120 Now they're flooding in with 00:21:06.120 --> 00:21:07.640 any kind of cell phone 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:09.640 they can come up with, 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:11.800 and you've got Sony Ericsson 00:21:11.800 --> 00:21:13.510 and also Pocket PC coming 00:21:13.510 --> 00:21:15.040 around the corner. 00:21:15.040 --> 00:21:16.860 I mean, this is very, very 00:21:16.860 --> 00:21:18.000 competitive. 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.130 - Well, let's hope they read 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:21.000 the New York Times at Nokia. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:21.840 - Yeah. 00:21:21.840 --> 00:21:23.190 - Let's hope they get the idea 00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:24.640 that, 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:26.200 we've got a guy with great hair 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:27.580 and we've also got some great 00:21:27.580 --> 00:21:28.880 technology behind it. 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:30.820 It has to be, we've talked 00:21:30.820 --> 00:21:32.280 about this, you and I. 00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:33.290 I'm saying that in all 00:21:33.290 --> 00:21:34.000 seriousness 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.470 'cause we understand how people 00:21:35.470 --> 00:21:36.680 's minds work, right? 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:37.930 - I wasn't laughing, I know 00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:39.120 what you mean. 00:21:39.120 --> 00:21:40.050 - It's appreciating the fact 00:21:40.050 --> 00:21:40.640 that you work. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.610 I mean, they need to get that 00:21:43.610 --> 00:21:45.160 it's not simply a, 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.490 we seem to have many, if not 00:21:48.490 --> 00:21:50.120 all of the pieces 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:51.980 coming together here and an 00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:52.920 application 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:54.360 and I think a cell phone 00:21:54.360 --> 00:21:55.400 provider that says, 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:58.000 okay, we're actually gonna take 00:21:58.000 --> 00:21:58.880 a side here 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:00.320 and we're gonna say, okay, 00:22:00.320 --> 00:22:02.010 we believe this is a good 00:22:02.010 --> 00:22:04.520 application for our cell phone 00:22:04.520 --> 00:22:06.030 and then do something to help 00:22:06.030 --> 00:22:08.160 promote it is going to, 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.680 and by doing something, I mean, 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:12.300 put an interface on the damn 00:22:12.300 --> 00:22:12.680 thing 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:14.220 so that it's very easy to write 00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:15.560 software on the desktop 00:22:15.560 --> 00:22:18.260 that not just moves raw bits of 00:22:18.260 --> 00:22:20.240 data onto the machine 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:23.090 but move structured information 00:22:23.090 --> 00:22:23.440 that, 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.500 you know, this whole idea that 00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:27.920 you run their software 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:31.160 on your laptop to control, 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:32.950 that's just simply not gonna 00:22:32.950 --> 00:22:33.960 fly, you know? 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:35.500 And iPodder, if it proves 00:22:35.500 --> 00:22:37.000 anything, it proves that, 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:38.890 that even a cobbled together 00:22:38.890 --> 00:22:41.320 thing is vastly superior 00:22:41.320 --> 00:22:44.730 to whatever sort of locked 00:22:44.730 --> 00:22:45.520 trunk 00:22:45.520 --> 00:22:46.770 one of these guys is gonna come 00:22:46.770 --> 00:22:47.280 up with. 00:22:47.280 --> 00:22:49.480 - So I hope Ed Pandengo is 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:51.600 listening, remember him? 00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:54.610 - I think so, it's kind of like 00:22:54.610 --> 00:22:56.560 Firestein Theater for you. 00:22:56.560 --> 00:23:00.480 - No, Ed, you met Ed in 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:01.560 Amsterdam 00:23:01.560 --> 00:23:04.120 at we had a blogger dinner 00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:06.880 and he was the guy developing 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.640 applications for cell phones. 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:11.590 - Did he sit right across from 00:23:11.590 --> 00:23:12.440 you at the dinner? 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:13.280 - Yes. 00:23:13.280 --> 00:23:15.280 - Okay, I mean, that was kind 00:23:15.280 --> 00:23:17.760 of a, yeah, okay, 00:23:17.760 --> 00:23:20.970 I remember, right, a blonde-ha 00:23:20.970 --> 00:23:21.600 ired guy. 00:23:21.600 --> 00:23:23.200 - Well, he's Dutch, of course 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:24.080 he's blonde. 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:25.440 - He's kind of beefy and-- 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.080 - Yeah, his finger in the dike? 00:23:27.080 --> 00:23:31.360 (laughing) 00:23:31.360 --> 00:23:32.840 - What kind of Dutch name is P 00:23:32.840 --> 00:23:33.200 entego? 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:34.630 It sounds like Hispanic or 00:23:34.630 --> 00:23:35.440 something. 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.160 - No, that's not his real name, 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:41.040 that's his weblog, Pente-Dingo, 00:23:41.040 --> 00:23:42.160 I think, Pente-Dingo. 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:44.320 - Out of Dutch in there, too. 00:23:44.320 --> 00:23:45.970 - Do you know that Hans Brinker 00:23:45.970 --> 00:23:46.160 , 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.500 the Dutch boy with his finger 00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:49.440 in the dike, 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.970 is not a true story that was 00:23:50.970 --> 00:23:52.560 made up by American tourists? 00:23:52.560 --> 00:23:56.160 - Well, blow me away, I mean. 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:57.760 - All right, just wanted to 00:23:57.760 --> 00:23:57.960 give you 00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:59.250 a little bit of trivia, 00:23:59.250 --> 00:24:00.120 everybody. 00:24:00.120 --> 00:24:01.360 - Yeah, and then there's Pete, 00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:02.280 how do you pronounce Pete-- 00:24:02.280 --> 00:24:03.720 - Prodol? 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.120 - Prodol, yeah. - Prodol, yeah. 00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:07.830 - He's funny, do you hear slash 00:24:07.830 --> 00:24:09.160 dot audio comments? 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:10.480 - Yeah, yeah. - That was 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:11.120 awesome. 00:24:11.120 --> 00:24:11.960 - Well, I mean, the thing about 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:13.920 his blog, 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:15.540 his podcasts are is that they 00:24:15.540 --> 00:24:15.760 're so-- 00:24:15.760 --> 00:24:17.760 - Short, and they're short. 00:24:17.760 --> 00:24:18.810 - That's what I mean, you just 00:24:18.810 --> 00:24:19.200 click on them 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:20.590 and you laugh and you move on 00:24:20.590 --> 00:24:21.560 to the next one. 00:24:21.560 --> 00:24:23.390 I think, by the way, that is 00:24:23.390 --> 00:24:24.320 the answer. 00:24:24.320 --> 00:24:27.940 You did a good work, sort of 00:24:27.940 --> 00:24:29.040 the big question was, 00:24:29.040 --> 00:24:30.390 and this is, I get asked this 00:24:30.390 --> 00:24:31.040 all the time, 00:24:31.040 --> 00:24:33.110 it's like, okay, if I listen to 00:24:33.110 --> 00:24:34.480 Adam Curry for an hour 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:35.840 and I listen to you for an hour 00:24:35.840 --> 00:24:39.600 and I listen to any number of, 00:24:39.600 --> 00:24:40.820 I listen to Don and Drew for an 00:24:40.820 --> 00:24:41.080 hour, 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:42.040 I listen to Dave Slushy-- 00:24:42.040 --> 00:24:44.160 - I have no time left for sex. 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.310 - Right, or to eat or to work, 00:24:46.310 --> 00:24:47.280 or whatever. 00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:49.990 And the answer is, is that 00:24:49.990 --> 00:24:51.160 first of all, 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:52.660 the length of your podcast is 00:24:52.660 --> 00:24:54.160 sort of telling people 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.240 how big you think your dick is. 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.320 (laughing) 00:24:57.320 --> 00:24:59.230 - And I've shrunk mine by about 00:24:59.230 --> 00:25:01.200 20 minutes recently. 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.560 - You go to an hour and that's 00:25:04.560 --> 00:25:05.600 fine, 00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:07.560 because you strike a balance, 00:25:07.560 --> 00:25:09.330 because people who just don't 00:25:09.330 --> 00:25:11.320 have the time to commit 00:25:11.320 --> 00:25:13.450 won't become part of your 00:25:13.450 --> 00:25:14.680 little world, 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.450 or it could be a big world, of 00:25:16.450 --> 00:25:17.080 course, 00:25:17.080 --> 00:25:20.310 but if you are Pete Prud Hall, 00:25:20.310 --> 00:25:20.880 right? 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.560 You're not asking for a lot, 00:25:23.560 --> 00:25:24.860 so you could go up into the 00:25:24.860 --> 00:25:26.080 millions, maybe. 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:29.500 And you were talking about this 00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:31.080 a long time ago, 00:25:31.080 --> 00:25:33.330 is that chaining these things 00:25:33.330 --> 00:25:34.080 together, 00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:35.720 like the tap dancing-- 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:38.500 - Oh, the tap dance podcast 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:39.400 news? 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:40.240 - Oh my God. 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:41.440 - I love that. 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:42.440 - Wonderful, I mean. 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:44.960 - God, did you hear the latest 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:45.640 one? 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:47.000 There's a new one out. 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:47.970 - But I want to point to that 00:25:47.970 --> 00:25:48.760 on Scripting News, 00:25:48.760 --> 00:25:50.480 I want everybody to see that, 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.340 which does say also that it 00:25:52.340 --> 00:25:53.800 would be really nice 00:25:53.800 --> 00:25:55.660 if we could get URLs with every 00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:56.920 daily source code. 00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.080 Like the Geek News Central is 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:00.200 doing that. 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:01.040 - Yes, you're right. 00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:03.680 Well, what I'm working on now 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:03.880 is, 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:06.610 I store all my rundown, my 00:26:06.610 --> 00:26:07.400 lineup of stuff 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:08.240 that I'm gonna talk about, 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.680 I store that on a Manila site, 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:13.570 and I just want to add a couple 00:26:13.570 --> 00:26:13.920 bits 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.360 so that it's a lot of work, 00:26:16.360 --> 00:26:17.480 so I want to automate it, 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:18.610 I know what I want, I want to 00:26:18.610 --> 00:26:19.080 automate it 00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:20.850 so that I don't get stuck in 00:26:20.850 --> 00:26:22.360 this rut of doing it anyway 00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:23.630 and not getting around to 00:26:23.630 --> 00:26:24.600 writing the scripts 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:26.160 to make it work. 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.210 - The way to do it is we raise 00:26:28.210 --> 00:26:28.920 some money 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.600 or we hire somebody or we hire 00:26:30.600 --> 00:26:31.680 a production team 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.640 and that's just done for you, 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:34.430 like you don't have to do 00:26:34.430 --> 00:26:34.880 anything. 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.720 - Oh, that would be so nice. 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.640 - That's what we gotta do. 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:38.480 - Oh man. 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:39.540 - We're gonna get time to start 00:26:39.540 --> 00:26:39.560 -- 00:26:39.560 --> 00:26:40.840 - Can we raise some money for 00:26:40.840 --> 00:26:41.560 blowjobs? 00:26:41.560 --> 00:26:46.460 I'm sorry, in my Dawn and Drew 00:26:46.460 --> 00:26:47.880 mode. 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.160 - Well, you don't have to pay 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:50.480 for those, I don't think. 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.280 (laughing) 00:26:52.280 --> 00:26:53.250 - Hold on, what was I gonna 00:26:53.250 --> 00:26:53.560 play? 00:26:53.560 --> 00:26:54.400 Oh, it was-- 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.960 - Don't go into the song, 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:58.280 I actually decided something 00:26:58.280 --> 00:26:59.080 during one of the little 00:26:59.080 --> 00:26:59.480 stretches 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:00.500 and I wanna tell everybody 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:01.440 about the decision. 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:02.860 We need to have a developers 00:27:02.860 --> 00:27:05.280 conference for this stuff. 00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:06.310 We're gonna do the users 00:27:06.310 --> 00:27:06.880 conference, 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.880 the first one on November 6th. 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:11.900 But I think we need to put 00:27:11.900 --> 00:27:14.520 together something 00:27:14.520 --> 00:27:18.090 where we can sit in a room and 00:27:18.090 --> 00:27:19.160 invite the, 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.220 some of the manufacturers to 00:27:21.220 --> 00:27:22.720 come sit down with us 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.880 and let's say, okay, here are 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:26.040 some formats 00:27:26.040 --> 00:27:28.810 that we can all support and we 00:27:28.810 --> 00:27:30.520 can get into this business 00:27:30.520 --> 00:27:32.000 within a year, within six 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.120 months or a year. 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:33.960 - And I think there's a real 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:34.520 business there 00:27:34.520 --> 00:27:36.280 for a lot of people. 00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:37.460 - Yeah, yeah. 00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:40.280 Yeah, well, we can do it. 00:27:40.280 --> 00:27:43.680 We just need, well, it's not, 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.000 actually we don't really need 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:45.680 anything. 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.600 But wouldn't it be nice to have 00:27:49.600 --> 00:27:49.600 , 00:27:49.600 --> 00:27:50.930 not to drive off the road when 00:27:50.930 --> 00:27:51.960 you're doing a podcast 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.600 and to have a big red button on 00:27:53.600 --> 00:27:54.320 your iPod 00:27:54.320 --> 00:27:55.810 that starts the recording right 00:27:55.810 --> 00:27:56.000 now 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.500 and when you get home and you 00:27:57.500 --> 00:27:58.960 connect it up in the sync, 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.570 not just goes out for the 00:28:00.570 --> 00:28:02.040 things that you bought from 00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:02.600 Apple, 00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:04.100 but also the things that you 00:28:04.100 --> 00:28:04.600 gathered 00:28:04.600 --> 00:28:05.920 when you were out in the world. 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:07.370 Also come back and go up onto 00:28:07.370 --> 00:28:07.840 the internet 00:28:07.840 --> 00:28:09.130 so everybody else can have them 00:28:09.130 --> 00:28:09.440 too. 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:10.280 - Right. 00:28:10.280 --> 00:28:13.150 - You know, like, we're two way 00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:13.560 , 00:28:13.560 --> 00:28:15.290 human beings are two way 00:28:15.290 --> 00:28:16.080 devices, you know. 00:28:16.080 --> 00:28:16.920 We're not just one way. 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:17.960 And that's what podcasting, of 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:18.840 course, is all about. 00:28:18.840 --> 00:28:20.680 I mean, you know, we have, you 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:20.840 know, 00:28:20.840 --> 00:28:22.400 I'm Starved for Wayne's World, 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.880 but I'm no longer Starved. 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.310 Don Andrew provided for me 00:28:25.310 --> 00:28:26.400 whatever I want. 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:28.280 And it's got the advantage that 00:28:28.280 --> 00:28:29.160 they're real people, 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.490 whereas Wayne's World were 00:28:30.490 --> 00:28:31.000 really, 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.690 sort of like they seemed really 00:28:32.690 --> 00:28:33.640 real, right? 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:34.880 - Yeah, and you can meet Don 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:35.240 Andrew 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:36.850 at BloggerCon everybody, they 00:28:36.850 --> 00:28:38.320 'll be there all week. 00:28:38.320 --> 00:28:39.320 - Yeah, no shit. 00:28:39.320 --> 00:28:40.160 (laughing) 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.520 - The Don Andrew Road Show. 00:28:42.520 --> 00:28:44.180 - Thinking of giving them an iP 00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:44.960 od, you know. 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.210 You know, sort of a ceremonial 00:28:48.210 --> 00:28:48.640 way. 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:49.960 'Cause now they're saying it, 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.180 like in the "Infili-Enquirer" 00:28:52.180 --> 00:28:53.120 article. 00:28:53.120 --> 00:28:54.100 - They're saying that they 00:28:54.100 --> 00:28:54.600 traded the trip 00:28:54.600 --> 00:28:56.490 to BloggerCon instead of buying 00:28:56.490 --> 00:28:57.160 an iPod? 00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:58.000 - That's not what they said. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:58.630 They have a tip jar and they 00:28:58.630 --> 00:28:58.840 said, 00:28:58.840 --> 00:29:00.120 "If we get enough money, maybe 00:29:00.120 --> 00:29:00.600 we'll actually 00:29:00.600 --> 00:29:01.920 "be able to afford an iPod." 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.160 (laughing) 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:06.080 - Yeah, of course, the 00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:08.320 reporters eat that stuff. 00:29:08.320 --> 00:29:09.520 - Yeah, they love that, yeah. 00:29:09.520 --> 00:29:11.480 And you know what? 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:12.800 These kids are smart. 00:29:12.800 --> 00:29:14.480 They know what they're doing. 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:15.320 - I think they do. 00:29:15.320 --> 00:29:16.250 - They know what they know 00:29:16.250 --> 00:29:17.000 exactly what they're doing. 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.050 Well, maybe not exactly, but I 00:29:19.050 --> 00:29:20.480 'm very impressed. 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.960 You know, I've been in media 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.200 for half my life 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.120 and you know, they're like, 00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:25.800 they're natural. 00:29:25.800 --> 00:29:27.520 Boom, they get it. 00:29:27.520 --> 00:29:29.040 And the way they slide in and 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:29.880 out of interviews, 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.280 it's really good. 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:32.120 - Yeah. 00:29:32.120 --> 00:29:33.440 - I'm very impressed. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:34.510 - They'll be saying that bit 00:29:34.510 --> 00:29:36.080 about wishing they had 00:29:36.080 --> 00:29:37.530 the money to buy an iPod when 00:29:37.530 --> 00:29:39.160 they're worth $10 million. 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:40.480 - Yeah. 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.630 - That'll be part of their 00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:42.520 stick, right? 00:29:42.520 --> 00:29:43.360 - Yeah. 00:29:43.360 --> 00:29:45.360 (laughing) 00:29:45.360 --> 00:29:46.770 - The thing we really enjoy 00:29:46.770 --> 00:29:48.000 about this stuff is, 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.480 I mean, I do, I can't speak for 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:49.960 anyone else, 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.740 is that you hear the farts and 00:29:53.740 --> 00:29:54.240 the belches 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.240 and all the flaws come through, 00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:58.160 right? 00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.440 - Like the human stuff? 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.880 - The human stuff, right? 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.330 But what happens when Don and 00:30:04.330 --> 00:30:06.080 Jude turn into things world? 00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:07.720 If that should happen? 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:08.720 Then what? 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.810 Is it really gonna be still the 00:30:10.810 --> 00:30:11.960 same, 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:13.340 is it gonna have the same charm 00:30:13.340 --> 00:30:13.560 ? 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.190 Or do we create one mass media 00:30:17.190 --> 00:30:18.440 for another? 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.480 - Yeah, the wall. 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:23.040 You know what? 00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:23.880 - You don't know. 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:25.400 - I don't know, I really don't 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:25.880 know. 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.240 - We'll find out. 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.220 - Hey dude, so when I come to 00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:31.880 America. 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:32.720 - America. 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:34.390 - America, we're gonna have a 00:30:34.390 --> 00:30:35.360 new president. 00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:39.970 Or we'll have, I'm sorry, we'll 00:30:39.970 --> 00:30:41.120 have a president that, 00:30:41.120 --> 00:30:42.940 oh fuck, let me be positive, we 00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:44.160 'll have a new president. 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.740 - From your lips, they're both 00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:47.760 starting, 00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:49.430 it's coming down so close to 00:30:49.430 --> 00:30:50.120 the wire now 00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:51.630 that the commercials are 00:30:51.630 --> 00:30:53.040 starting to shift gear 00:30:53.040 --> 00:30:54.900 and they're talking about that 00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:55.880 private moment 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.120 when you're in the voting booth 00:30:57.120 --> 00:30:58.660 and you can do whatever you 00:30:58.660 --> 00:30:59.400 wanna do. 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.240 - Yeah. 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:01.480 (clicking) 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.720 (laughing) 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.240 I'm sorry I was voting. 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.040 - I got my card yesterday, it 00:31:10.040 --> 00:31:12.000 was so exciting. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.440 I mean, I had a little postcard 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.040 from the, 00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:16.230 Kings County, State of 00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:16.840 Washington, 00:31:16.840 --> 00:31:18.630 United States of America, dear 00:31:18.630 --> 00:31:19.920 Mr. Weiner, 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.530 you get to vote and here's 00:31:21.530 --> 00:31:22.600 where you go. 00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:23.640 - Cool. 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:24.760 - Yeah, and I said, wow, it 00:31:24.760 --> 00:31:25.280 worked. 00:31:25.280 --> 00:31:27.840 I get, actually, my plan was 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:28.600 that I would vote 00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:30.560 and my vote would count. 00:31:30.560 --> 00:31:33.920 And Washington for a while 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.320 looked like it was 00:31:35.320 --> 00:31:37.400 solid blue, well when I chose, 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.010 Washington was a battleground 00:31:39.010 --> 00:31:40.240 state. 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.700 And then it turned into solid 00:31:42.700 --> 00:31:43.560 blue. 00:31:43.560 --> 00:31:45.520 Basically I thought, oh shit, 00:31:45.520 --> 00:31:46.980 I went from one solid blue 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:48.000 state to another 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.240 and what did I accomplish? 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.410 Well now it's a light blue, 00:31:51.410 --> 00:31:53.400 borderline white light blue. 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.700 I vote, will count and it's 00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:57.120 really exciting. 00:31:57.120 --> 00:31:58.210 And I'm voting for Kerry, I 00:31:58.210 --> 00:31:59.640 will vote for Kerry 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.350 even if at the last minute 00:32:01.350 --> 00:32:02.600 while I'm in the voting booth, 00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:04.050 I think, maybe I should vote 00:32:04.050 --> 00:32:04.520 for Bush, 00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:05.960 I'm still gonna vote for Kerry. 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.320 (laughing) 00:32:07.320 --> 00:32:10.220 Well, it wasn't as easy as I 00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:12.320 thought it could be 00:32:12.320 --> 00:32:16.030 to vote by proxy, 'cause I've 00:32:16.030 --> 00:32:16.760 already voted. 00:32:16.760 --> 00:32:19.720 - What's a proxy? 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.220 - Well, that's what they call 00:32:21.220 --> 00:32:22.440 it, voting by proxy. 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.280 - Really? 00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:25.760 - Yeah, and so you have to, 00:32:25.760 --> 00:32:29.500 you can finally find the actual 00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:30.680 form in PDF 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.100 that you download and then 00:32:32.100 --> 00:32:32.560 print. 00:32:33.520 --> 00:32:36.010 And then you have to fax it and 00:32:36.010 --> 00:32:36.800 call them 00:32:36.800 --> 00:32:39.240 unless you wanna send it by 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:39.720 mail, 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.680 but it's very unsophisticated. 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:43.520 - Really? 00:32:43.520 --> 00:32:45.540 - Yeah, and it's not very 00:32:45.540 --> 00:32:46.920 apparent and easy, 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.880 but yeah, is it ever? 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:50.040 It's certainly not as easy as 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:51.640 walking into a voting booth. 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:53.880 - Uh-huh. 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.040 - I voted for John Kerry. 00:32:56.040 --> 00:32:57.120 - I'm not kidding, really. 00:32:57.120 --> 00:32:58.490 - And I think that my vote's 00:32:58.490 --> 00:32:59.840 gonna be important this year 00:32:59.840 --> 00:33:01.380 because that's the shit they 00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:02.760 pulled last time, right? 00:33:02.760 --> 00:33:04.730 Is, oh, it's all the overseas 00:33:04.730 --> 00:33:05.400 votes. 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.240 - Well, where did you vote? 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:07.080 What state? 00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:08.080 - New Jersey. 00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:10.850 - Oh yeah, New Jersey is not a 00:33:10.850 --> 00:33:11.640 battleground state, 00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:12.770 doesn't show up all the time, 00:33:12.770 --> 00:33:14.240 but New Jersey's contested. 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.880 So yeah, your vote can't-- 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.150 - But I know that all my peeps 00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:19.480 from Jersey hometown, 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:20.750 they're gonna put the new boy 00:33:20.750 --> 00:33:21.120 in. 00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:24.330 - Good, well, let's hope we, 00:33:24.330 --> 00:33:25.160 you know, I mean, 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.000 it's gonna be a-- 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:27.940 - Especially all my Italian 00:33:27.940 --> 00:33:30.000 friends in New Jersey. 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.720 They're not stupid. 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.080 They don't want a gangster 00:33:35.080 --> 00:33:36.160 bigger than them in the White 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:37.160 House. 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.000 - No. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.720 - Well, I-- 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:40.910 - We want our boys run on the 00:33:40.910 --> 00:33:42.200 country, on the streets, 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:43.880 not some dickhead in the White 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.640 House. 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:45.480 - Yeah, no kidding. 00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.800 - That's the way I see it. 00:33:48.800 --> 00:33:49.640 - So what do you think? 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:51.240 Do you think that if Bushes re- 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:51.720 elected, 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.330 the Netherlands will invade the 00:33:53.330 --> 00:33:54.240 United States? 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:55.920 (laughing) 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.080 - I don't hope-- 00:33:57.080 --> 00:33:58.610 - The Netherlands are big 00:33:58.610 --> 00:33:59.880 fucking pussies. 00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:00.960 - Really, what about France? 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.800 What about Russia? 00:34:01.800 --> 00:34:03.400 What about China? 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:04.470 I mean, are they gonna come 00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:05.440 like, 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.280 you know, reclaim our democracy 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:07.640 , you know, get-- 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.720 - No, no, no, not at all. 00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:11.640 No. 00:34:11.640 --> 00:34:13.000 - I used to have democracy here 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:13.640 in the USA. 00:34:13.640 --> 00:34:16.380 I mean, no, but everyone's all 00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:17.520 fucked up over here. 00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:18.560 They got their own problems. 00:34:18.560 --> 00:34:19.640 You know, they blew up the 00:34:19.640 --> 00:34:20.440 European Commission 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.080 just on the eve of them 00:34:22.080 --> 00:34:23.240 installing the commission 00:34:23.240 --> 00:34:27.210 because the Italian, one of the 00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:28.240 Italian candidates, 00:34:29.120 --> 00:34:30.920 you know, hates gays, thinks 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:31.880 women are lame 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:32.920 and should be in the kitchen, 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.470 you know, all these little 00:34:34.470 --> 00:34:35.520 minor details. 00:34:35.520 --> 00:34:36.750 So they got all their own 00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:37.920 problems over here. 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.120 I've been asked by almost every 00:34:41.120 --> 00:34:42.400 single television show 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.440 and some really good news 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:46.900 programs, 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:50.200 respected news programs, 00:34:50.200 --> 00:34:52.820 to be on the show during the 00:34:52.820 --> 00:34:54.280 elections. 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:55.120 - Oh yeah? 00:34:55.120 --> 00:34:55.810 - I told every single one of 00:34:55.810 --> 00:34:56.920 them, I said, 00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:58.770 look, that means we're gonna 00:34:58.770 --> 00:35:00.240 start around midnight. 00:35:00.240 --> 00:35:01.850 And if you think that we're 00:35:01.850 --> 00:35:02.560 gonna have 00:35:02.560 --> 00:35:06.790 a president by morning, you're 00:35:06.790 --> 00:35:08.000 fucking crazy. 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.760 It could be three days. 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.460 I'm not gonna sit around and 00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:12.560 wait for that. 00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:13.740 - Well, I mean, you're tempting 00:35:13.740 --> 00:35:14.240 fate there. 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:15.480 I mean, it-- 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.160 - I believe, that I believe, 00:35:17.160 --> 00:35:19.220 but I believe the Democrats are 00:35:19.220 --> 00:35:20.480 gonna be ready. 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.670 - Yeah, well, it could be the 00:35:21.670 --> 00:35:22.960 Democrats in the landslide. 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.260 I mean, I've seen it said in 00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:26.440 places that, 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.630 you know, when people get into 00:35:27.630 --> 00:35:28.320 the voting booth 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.970 and even Republicans are gonna 00:35:29.970 --> 00:35:30.320 say, 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.600 "Well, you know, I can't stand 00:35:32.600 --> 00:35:34.200 behind this guy." 00:35:34.200 --> 00:35:35.040 I feel that way. 00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:37.130 I mean, you know, I wrote about 00:35:37.130 --> 00:35:38.120 this on scripting news 00:35:38.120 --> 00:35:39.660 that Dennis Miller, the 00:35:39.660 --> 00:35:40.160 comedian, 00:35:40.160 --> 00:35:41.220 apparently has become a 00:35:41.220 --> 00:35:42.080 Republican, which I-- 00:35:42.080 --> 00:35:42.950 - Yeah, it was a couple days 00:35:42.950 --> 00:35:43.120 ago 00:35:43.120 --> 00:35:44.600 I saw you write about that. 00:35:44.600 --> 00:35:47.760 - Yeah, and he said that if 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:48.560 Kerry gets elected, 00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:49.560 he'll get behind him and 00:35:49.560 --> 00:35:50.080 support him 00:35:50.080 --> 00:35:51.320 'cause he's president of the 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:52.000 United States. 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.070 And I pointed out, we all did 00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:55.440 that with Bush 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.600 after we were attacked. 00:35:56.600 --> 00:35:57.690 And I go back and read the 00:35:57.690 --> 00:35:58.920 things that I wrote 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.870 three years ago on scripting 00:36:00.870 --> 00:36:01.240 news, 00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:03.240 and it makes me wanna puke. 00:36:03.240 --> 00:36:04.310 - Yeah, you were like, "Yeah, I 00:36:04.310 --> 00:36:06.160 stand behind my president." 00:36:06.160 --> 00:36:07.120 - And I have to do that. 00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:08.090 You know, the country was 00:36:08.090 --> 00:36:08.480 attacked, 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.880 and you know, my attitude on 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.520 that is, 00:36:11.520 --> 00:36:12.950 whatever my personal feelings 00:36:12.950 --> 00:36:14.480 are about the guy, 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:15.760 he is the president, 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.160 and you try to create a bubble 00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:18.720 around him 00:36:18.720 --> 00:36:20.600 for him to rise into the role, 00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:21.280 you know? 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.160 Because we needed a leader, 00:36:23.160 --> 00:36:24.640 and it wasn't optional. 00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:25.780 He was the guy, and there wasn 00:36:25.780 --> 00:36:26.960 't gonna be anybody else. 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:28.450 And so if he didn't rise into 00:36:28.450 --> 00:36:28.760 it, 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:29.640 I thought, "I felt we were 00:36:29.640 --> 00:36:30.280 pretty fucked." 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.410 So, and that's the thing that I 00:36:32.410 --> 00:36:32.640 think 00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:33.800 that's great about America. 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.860 It's sort of our business 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:35.920 attitude about things 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.340 is that when push comes to 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:38.960 shove, 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.910 it's like we don't care that 00:36:40.910 --> 00:36:41.960 much about our feelings, 00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:43.720 we care about the result. 00:36:43.720 --> 00:36:45.160 - The cover of Time Magazine, 00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:46.160 which I just saw today, 00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:47.270 at least the European Time 00:36:47.270 --> 00:36:47.720 Magazine, 00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:50.940 was a picture of two suburban 00:36:50.940 --> 00:36:51.640 homes, 00:36:51.640 --> 00:36:54.230 side by side, and one kind of 00:36:54.230 --> 00:36:55.280 soft focus 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:56.120 in the foreground, 00:36:56.120 --> 00:36:57.100 one a little bit sharper in the 00:36:57.100 --> 00:36:57.520 background, 00:36:57.520 --> 00:36:59.590 and you saw the Busce Cheney 00:36:59.590 --> 00:37:01.800 sign in yard one, 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.650 and Kerry Edwards sign in the 00:37:06.650 --> 00:37:06.800 yard right next door. 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.160 And you know, the whole, 00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:12.160 the whole, you know, this whole 00:37:12.160 --> 00:37:13.320 cover article 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.560 is, they're calling the Uncivil 00:37:15.560 --> 00:37:15.840 War, 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.460 which will start on November 3 00:37:18.460 --> 00:37:19.000 rd. 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.470 - Well, it doesn't have to be 00:37:20.470 --> 00:37:21.160 that way. 00:37:21.160 --> 00:37:22.560 I mean, that's what I thought 00:37:22.560 --> 00:37:25.120 that Miller was saying 00:37:25.120 --> 00:37:26.340 that was so incredibly 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:28.640 constructive was that it's, 00:37:28.640 --> 00:37:29.760 you know, I'm seeing that, 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.760 because of what he said, 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:31.900 I'm kind of glad that he's a 00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:32.360 Republican, 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.760 because a Democrat, you know, 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.200 the problem is, is that I don't 00:37:37.200 --> 00:37:37.880 see myself 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.310 being able to make the same 00:37:39.310 --> 00:37:40.320 claim, okay? 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.470 I mean, it's, I gave Bush every 00:37:43.470 --> 00:37:44.240 opportunity 00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:45.720 to lead this country, 00:37:45.720 --> 00:37:48.840 and I feel I did my part, 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.320 and I feel like he betrayed us. 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:51.950 I feel he looked at that as an 00:37:51.950 --> 00:37:52.840 opportunity 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.080 to further humiliate everybody, 00:37:56.080 --> 00:37:58.240 you know, but his cronies, but 00:37:58.240 --> 00:37:59.080 his buddies. 00:37:59.080 --> 00:38:00.820 They just use that support to 00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:02.280 enrich themselves 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:04.220 at just an incredibly selfish 00:38:04.220 --> 00:38:05.640 thing to do, you know? 00:38:05.640 --> 00:38:08.440 And I just don't want to, 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.590 I don't see myself, I think it 00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:11.480 would be dishonest 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.100 for me to say I support that, 00:38:14.100 --> 00:38:15.900 even at this point, even if the 00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:17.280 country was attacked. 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.630 And so I really think that the 00:38:19.630 --> 00:38:21.120 only viable answer 00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:22.560 here is to elect Kerry, 00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:23.990 because what I said to counter 00:38:23.990 --> 00:38:25.780 balance Miller's offer was, 00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:27.130 is that if Kerry should get 00:38:27.130 --> 00:38:27.480 elected, 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.700 I'm willing to put his feet to 00:38:29.700 --> 00:38:32.000 the fire day one, okay? 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:32.840 - Yeah. 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:34.650 - I will not cut him one minute 00:38:34.650 --> 00:38:35.920 's worth of slack, 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.580 you know, that he's got to be 00:38:37.580 --> 00:38:39.080 straightforward and honest. 00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.240 And frankly, I don't understand 00:38:40.240 --> 00:38:41.800 why Kerry hasn't put up 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:43.870 something like an escrow, you 00:38:43.870 --> 00:38:44.520 know? 00:38:44.520 --> 00:38:45.620 Like how about his wife's 00:38:45.620 --> 00:38:46.180 fortune? 00:38:46.180 --> 00:38:47.480 Let's put her fortune on the 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:48.160 line here. 00:38:48.160 --> 00:38:50.220 If he's ever caught lying to 00:38:50.220 --> 00:38:51.040 the, 00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:52.400 if he's elected president, he's 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:53.260 caught lying. 00:38:53.260 --> 00:38:54.700 She loses every dollar she's 00:38:54.700 --> 00:38:56.520 got, you know? 00:38:56.520 --> 00:38:59.040 - Well, that's, I understand 00:38:59.040 --> 00:38:59.680 what you're saying, 00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:00.710 but that's not a good, that's 00:39:00.710 --> 00:39:01.080 not a good, 00:39:01.080 --> 00:39:02.680 that's not a good way to do it. 00:39:02.680 --> 00:39:04.240 That's her money, that's not 00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:05.000 his money. 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.150 - All right, so all of his 00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:06.920 money and he has-- 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.760 - No, no, we cut off a testicle 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.080 . 00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:11.960 - Okay. 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:13.240 - Can you relate? 00:39:13.240 --> 00:39:14.670 - That's more humane than 00:39:14.670 --> 00:39:16.340 taking away all her money. 00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:17.540 (laughing) 00:39:17.540 --> 00:39:18.790 - Yeah, I think that's fucked 00:39:18.790 --> 00:39:19.060 up. 00:39:19.060 --> 00:39:21.670 You can't, you know, I think a 00:39:21.670 --> 00:39:22.540 testicle is worth 00:39:22.540 --> 00:39:24.280 several hundred million dollars 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:24.460 . 00:39:24.460 --> 00:39:26.810 - The fact that he's a prostate 00:39:26.810 --> 00:39:28.260 cancer survivor-- 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:29.100 - Really? 00:39:29.100 --> 00:39:30.390 - He's not having any testicles 00:39:30.390 --> 00:39:30.540 . 00:39:30.540 --> 00:39:32.620 - I'm sorry, I didn't know that 00:39:32.620 --> 00:39:32.620 . 00:39:32.620 --> 00:39:34.060 - Oh yeah, he had prostate 00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:34.700 cancer. 00:39:34.700 --> 00:39:36.260 Yeah, really, really too. 00:39:36.260 --> 00:39:37.770 - Do you think he can still get 00:39:37.770 --> 00:39:38.300 it up? 00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:40.020 - Oh, yeah. 00:39:40.020 --> 00:39:41.660 - That's fucked up, man. 00:39:41.660 --> 00:39:42.330 That's what I liked about 00:39:42.330 --> 00:39:42.700 Clinton. 00:39:42.700 --> 00:39:44.150 I like a president that's 00:39:44.150 --> 00:39:44.880 fucking. 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:45.910 - At least we knew that he 00:39:45.910 --> 00:39:46.700 could do that. 00:39:46.700 --> 00:39:48.420 - Yeah, I like that. 00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:49.760 And you know what, I think that 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:50.040 's, 00:39:50.040 --> 00:39:51.630 I wanna know that and I think 00:39:51.630 --> 00:39:52.880 the people at large 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.940 in the country, 'cause everyone 00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:55.880 's doing it. 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:56.720 - Fucking? 00:39:56.720 --> 00:39:57.640 - Yes. 00:39:57.640 --> 00:39:59.830 - Yeah, if everybody's doing it 00:39:59.830 --> 00:40:00.100 . 00:40:00.100 --> 00:40:00.870 - Let me just make an 00:40:00.870 --> 00:40:01.880 observation right here. 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:03.220 And I'm glad that we can get 00:40:03.220 --> 00:40:04.040 around this sex 00:40:04.040 --> 00:40:05.390 because I was getting bored of 00:40:05.390 --> 00:40:06.040 politics. 00:40:06.040 --> 00:40:08.970 America is, 'cause we sit over 00:40:08.970 --> 00:40:09.960 here and of course 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.730 we still be here and laugh at 00:40:11.730 --> 00:40:12.980 the Janet Jackson 00:40:12.980 --> 00:40:15.960 Nipple Gates and Howard Stern 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:17.420 having to move off 00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:20.560 of broadcast radio and how 00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:22.100 incredibly 00:40:22.100 --> 00:40:24.870 prudish the American media is 00:40:24.870 --> 00:40:25.900 and the political 00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:27.500 correctness of what you can and 00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:28.140 can't say 00:40:28.140 --> 00:40:30.100 in the seven dirty words. 00:40:30.100 --> 00:40:32.600 And we laugh at the hypocrisy 00:40:32.600 --> 00:40:34.380 of this because 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:36.700 in my opinion and the opinion 00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:37.500 of my wife, 00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.820 Americans are in general the 00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:41.480 most horny motherfuckers 00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:42.960 on the planet Earth. 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.730 Everyone's blowing everybody 00:40:44.730 --> 00:40:45.320 everywhere 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.330 and the best porn is made in 00:40:47.330 --> 00:40:49.880 the good old US of A. 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:51.320 - All, USA all the way. 00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:52.560 - All the way. 00:40:52.560 --> 00:40:56.720 And you know, and I have to say 00:40:56.720 --> 00:40:56.720 , 00:40:56.720 --> 00:40:58.160 I'm actually proud of that. 00:40:58.160 --> 00:40:59.160 I think it's awesome. 00:40:59.160 --> 00:41:00.820 Not all of it, it's a lot of 00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:01.480 bullshit. 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.040 But then to see how, you know, 00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:08.100 the hypocrisy is whacked. 00:41:08.100 --> 00:41:10.060 - Yeah. 00:41:10.060 --> 00:41:14.860 - Oh my goodness. 00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:16.890 And it sounds like when I said 00:41:16.890 --> 00:41:17.580 whacked, 00:41:17.580 --> 00:41:22.340 Dave, hold on. 00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:23.620 Now see, this is good because 00:41:23.620 --> 00:41:24.740 now we had a crash, 00:41:24.740 --> 00:41:26.340 Skype crashed actually, 00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:29.780 but the recording continues. 00:41:29.780 --> 00:41:31.360 Now of course Dave is sitting 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:32.060 there going, 00:41:32.060 --> 00:41:35.360 oh fuck man, we lost the show. 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.450 And so I get the surprising for 00:41:37.450 --> 00:41:38.080 once. 00:41:38.080 --> 00:41:39.440 Hello? 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:40.280 - Yeah. 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:41.360 - We didn't lose the show. 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.120 We're still recording. 00:41:43.120 --> 00:41:43.960 - Are you sure? 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.880 - Yeah, 100% oh boy. 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.910 - All right, so let's just keep 00:41:47.910 --> 00:41:48.360 going. 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:49.400 Cause. 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.200 - Right in the middle of porn. 00:41:51.200 --> 00:41:52.160 - Yeah, well I'm gonna take it 00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:53.040 back to some. 00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:53.880 - Politics? 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.000 - No, related, related. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:57.840 - Okay. 00:42:00.600 --> 00:42:01.780 - Did Jerry Falwell, I saw 00:42:01.780 --> 00:42:03.220 Jerry Falwell on TV. 00:42:03.220 --> 00:42:04.460 - Yeah. 00:42:04.460 --> 00:42:06.170 - That's not related to sex, 00:42:06.170 --> 00:42:06.500 okay? 00:42:06.500 --> 00:42:07.260 - Wasn't, didn't he have a 00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:07.660 scandal? 00:42:07.660 --> 00:42:09.540 Didn't he have a sex scandal? 00:42:09.540 --> 00:42:10.380 - Did he? 00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:11.540 Honestly, I don't know. 00:42:11.540 --> 00:42:14.410 But he said they had done a 00:42:14.410 --> 00:42:15.220 survey 00:42:15.220 --> 00:42:17.680 and the interviewer agreed with 00:42:17.680 --> 00:42:17.980 him 00:42:17.980 --> 00:42:20.300 that 40% of the American 00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:21.300 population 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:23.400 is born again evangelical 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.660 Christians. 00:42:24.660 --> 00:42:25.730 In other words, when you do a 00:42:25.730 --> 00:42:26.380 survey and you ask, 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:27.540 are you a born again 00:42:27.540 --> 00:42:30.180 evangelical Christian? 00:42:30.180 --> 00:42:31.520 40% say yes. 00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:32.870 And of course he saw this as 00:42:32.870 --> 00:42:33.920 being a trend 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:35.720 that meant that pretty soon. 00:42:35.720 --> 00:42:36.840 And you know what? 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:37.880 That's confirmation. 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.660 That's why what you're really 00:42:39.660 --> 00:42:40.640 observing there 00:42:40.640 --> 00:42:42.880 about the US being so uptight, 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.080 you can't make a blanket 00:42:44.080 --> 00:42:45.120 statement about that 00:42:45.120 --> 00:42:46.960 because there are a lot of 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.800 Americans 00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:49.000 who feel the same way you do. 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.240 - No, no, I said media. 00:42:50.240 --> 00:42:51.650 I didn't say Americans, I said 00:42:51.650 --> 00:42:52.880 American media. 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.280 - Okay. 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:55.930 - And by the way, may I quote 00:42:55.930 --> 00:42:58.400 from the National Enquirer, 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.400 a homosexual scandal is rocking 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:03.220 Reverend Jerry Falwell's 00:43:03.220 --> 00:43:04.740 Arch-Conservative Liberty 00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:05.420 University 00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:06.830 where rumors are rampant that 00:43:06.830 --> 00:43:07.460 male students 00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:09.380 engaged in gay sex with a 00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:10.740 campus pastor. 00:43:10.740 --> 00:43:12.180 - Yeah. 00:43:12.180 --> 00:43:13.900 Listen, I mean, we know that. 00:43:13.900 --> 00:43:15.980 People, well, we know that. 00:43:15.980 --> 00:43:18.600 But in your right, it is hypocr 00:43:18.600 --> 00:43:18.980 isy. 00:43:18.980 --> 00:43:20.860 But what I'm adding to it is 00:43:20.860 --> 00:43:22.780 that it's reality here. 00:43:22.780 --> 00:43:26.190 And it's like the trip I took 00:43:26.190 --> 00:43:26.660 to Europe 00:43:26.660 --> 00:43:29.360 where last, earlier this year, 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:30.410 where the thing I heard 00:43:30.410 --> 00:43:31.680 consistently from people is, 00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:32.870 well, you know, we love the 00:43:32.870 --> 00:43:33.320 American people. 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:34.680 We hate the American government 00:43:34.680 --> 00:43:36.160 or things or the-- 00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:37.770 - Right, yeah, yeah, you hear 00:43:37.770 --> 00:43:38.520 that a lot. 00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:40.030 - We hate the American media or 00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:40.560 whatever. 00:43:40.560 --> 00:43:43.380 And you know, what I kept 00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:44.840 saying to them is, 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:45.720 is that, well, you don't 00:43:45.720 --> 00:43:46.160 understand 00:43:46.160 --> 00:43:47.280 because the reason why the 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.520 American media is that way 00:43:48.520 --> 00:43:49.980 and the American government is 00:43:49.980 --> 00:43:50.400 that way, 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.300 is that the American people are 00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:53.060 that way. 00:43:53.060 --> 00:43:54.120 They really are. 00:43:54.120 --> 00:43:55.420 And you know, if you go to 00:43:55.420 --> 00:43:56.480 Southern Illinois 00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:58.380 or to Southern New Mexico 00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:00.020 or to Orange County in 00:44:00.020 --> 00:44:00.980 California 00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:04.130 or rural Washington State or 00:44:04.130 --> 00:44:05.980 New Hampshire. 00:44:05.980 --> 00:44:09.100 - Oh man, why is Skype crashing 00:44:09.100 --> 00:44:09.500 ? 00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:11.740 This is not right. 00:44:11.740 --> 00:44:14.880 This is just not very nice. 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.490 And this hasn't happened before 00:44:18.490 --> 00:44:18.580 . 00:44:18.580 --> 00:44:19.830 I do want to hear what Dave has 00:44:19.830 --> 00:44:20.380 to say here. 00:44:20.380 --> 00:44:23.700 So let's find out. 00:44:23.700 --> 00:44:25.080 I'll call him this time, maybe 00:44:25.080 --> 00:44:25.900 that helps. 00:44:26.900 --> 00:44:29.320 (phone ringing) 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:30.580 - Okay, we're gonna be doing 00:44:30.580 --> 00:44:31.480 this regularly. 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:32.550 - Well, I don't know, Skype is 00:44:32.550 --> 00:44:33.620 crashing for some reason. 00:44:33.620 --> 00:44:34.740 I have no idea why. 00:44:34.740 --> 00:44:35.750 But you were saying New 00:44:35.750 --> 00:44:36.420 Hampshire. 00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:38.200 I understand what you're saying 00:44:38.200 --> 00:44:39.360 and you're right. 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.780 The majority of Americans-- 00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:44.020 - Find out, we'll find out. 00:44:44.020 --> 00:44:46.160 This is a referendum on whether 00:44:46.160 --> 00:44:46.620 or not 00:44:46.620 --> 00:44:47.930 the United States still has a 00:44:47.930 --> 00:44:48.420 heart. 00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:50.020 That's what I see this as, this 00:44:50.020 --> 00:44:50.940 election has. 00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:52.380 - Okay, can I make another 00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.620 blanket statement? 00:44:53.620 --> 00:44:54.460 - Sure. 00:44:54.460 --> 00:44:56.820 - Okay, another thing, all 00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:57.900 Europeans, 00:44:57.900 --> 00:44:59.940 it's become a little bit less 00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:01.020 over the years, 00:45:01.020 --> 00:45:03.460 but certainly 20 or 30 years 00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:03.500 ago, 00:45:03.500 --> 00:45:05.180 Americans were perceived to be 00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:08.500 completely insincere people. 00:45:08.500 --> 00:45:11.410 And what they mean by that, and 00:45:11.410 --> 00:45:12.580 here's the parody 00:45:12.580 --> 00:45:14.140 you'll hear of an American in 00:45:14.140 --> 00:45:14.700 Europe, 00:45:14.700 --> 00:45:16.120 a European parodying an 00:45:16.120 --> 00:45:16.940 American. 00:45:16.940 --> 00:45:19.060 Oh, how interesting. 00:45:19.060 --> 00:45:21.700 Oh, that's wonderful. 00:45:21.700 --> 00:45:22.700 Mm-hmm. 00:45:22.700 --> 00:45:23.580 Oh yeah. 00:45:23.580 --> 00:45:25.010 Oh, well, I have a friend over 00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:25.340 there 00:45:25.340 --> 00:45:27.940 and we can stay at his house, 00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:28.500 okay? 00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:30.870 And they find this completely 00:45:30.870 --> 00:45:31.380 alien 00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:32.740 and they think that Americans 00:45:32.740 --> 00:45:33.340 are full of shit 00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:34.820 and are not interested and don 00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:36.180 't think it's wonderful 00:45:36.180 --> 00:45:38.460 and are putting them on. 00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:42.220 And I have, for years, said 00:45:42.220 --> 00:45:43.460 that is the truth. 00:45:43.460 --> 00:45:46.620 Americans are like that. 00:45:46.620 --> 00:45:48.330 And in general, we love our 00:45:48.330 --> 00:45:49.260 neighbors. 00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:50.620 I can't say that for Europe. 00:45:50.620 --> 00:45:52.460 People are killing each other 00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:53.300 over here. 00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:54.580 They're beating each other up 00:45:54.580 --> 00:45:55.420 and they're jealous 00:45:55.420 --> 00:45:57.120 and they hate each other's 00:45:57.120 --> 00:45:58.020 fucking guts 00:45:58.020 --> 00:45:59.740 and no one's working together. 00:45:59.740 --> 00:46:01.460 Look at the European Union. 00:46:01.460 --> 00:46:03.340 The European government is 00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:03.900 exactly 00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:06.780 the representation of Europe. 00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:07.620 Yeah. 00:46:07.620 --> 00:46:09.340 Yeah. 00:46:09.340 --> 00:46:10.860 So I don't know why I'm going 00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:12.220 to fucking England. 00:46:12.220 --> 00:46:13.480 Christina, we should go back to 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:13.980 America. 00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:14.820 Okay. 00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:15.660 (laughing) 00:46:15.660 --> 00:46:17.100 She goes, okay, why? 00:46:17.100 --> 00:46:18.100 Why do you want to go back to 00:46:18.100 --> 00:46:18.620 America? 00:46:18.620 --> 00:46:19.460 Why? 00:46:19.460 --> 00:46:21.620 TV. 00:46:21.620 --> 00:46:23.260 (laughing) 00:46:23.260 --> 00:46:24.100 Hot topic. 00:46:24.100 --> 00:46:25.940 (laughing) 00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:27.380 Hot topic. 00:46:27.380 --> 00:46:29.340 And cool high school. 00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:30.340 Okay. 00:46:30.340 --> 00:46:31.320 What's the fortune coming to 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:31.980 the United States? 00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:33.880 That would make everything a 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:34.580 lot easier. 00:46:34.580 --> 00:46:36.510 We could do trade secrets with 00:46:36.510 --> 00:46:37.660 three hour time difference 00:46:37.660 --> 00:46:38.920 and maybe even a no hour time 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:40.140 difference at some point. 00:46:40.140 --> 00:46:41.060 Well, look, I'm already going 00:46:41.060 --> 00:46:41.460 to be moving 00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:42.980 one hour closer, okay? 00:46:42.980 --> 00:46:44.780 No, I mean, London is easy. 00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:45.940 And London is sort of turning 00:46:45.940 --> 00:46:46.380 into, 00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:47.940 England is sort of turning into 00:46:47.940 --> 00:46:48.220 a hub. 00:46:48.220 --> 00:46:49.500 It is. 00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:50.660 It's easy to get. 00:46:50.660 --> 00:46:52.660 And in all likelihood, my guess 00:46:52.660 --> 00:46:53.420 is 00:46:53.420 --> 00:46:55.020 I'll end up on the East Coast, 00:46:55.020 --> 00:46:55.780 probably. 00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:57.020 You're an East Coast boy, you 00:46:57.020 --> 00:46:58.420 're on a West Coaster. 00:46:58.420 --> 00:46:59.580 I know, you got to be careful 00:46:59.580 --> 00:47:00.180 about that though, 00:47:00.180 --> 00:47:02.180 because I tend to get really 00:47:02.180 --> 00:47:03.060 influenced 00:47:03.060 --> 00:47:04.020 by what people say. 00:47:04.020 --> 00:47:06.460 So I'm going to make my own 00:47:06.460 --> 00:47:08.180 decision on that. 00:47:08.180 --> 00:47:10.020 But it seems that way. 00:47:10.020 --> 00:47:13.020 And I have so many reasons. 00:47:13.020 --> 00:47:15.740 I'm going to be in New York in 00:47:15.740 --> 00:47:17.140 November, December, 00:47:17.140 --> 00:47:18.100 and now in January. 00:47:18.100 --> 00:47:19.410 There's another Harvard's 00:47:19.410 --> 00:47:20.380 heaven of conflict. 00:47:20.380 --> 00:47:22.470 But this is going to be really 00:47:22.470 --> 00:47:23.500 interesting, by the way. 00:47:23.500 --> 00:47:25.690 Harvard's having a conference, 00:47:25.690 --> 00:47:26.540 joint conference, 00:47:26.540 --> 00:47:29.450 on blogging between Berkman 00:47:29.450 --> 00:47:30.380 Center, 00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:32.360 which is where I was at, and Sh 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:33.260 orenstein, 00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:34.440 which is sort of the 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:35.780 counterpart of Berkman, 00:47:35.780 --> 00:47:36.890 but in the school of government 00:47:36.890 --> 00:47:37.060 . 00:47:37.060 --> 00:47:39.470 And Shorenstein is for 00:47:39.470 --> 00:47:40.940 journalists 00:47:40.940 --> 00:47:42.410 who go on fellowships, 00:47:42.410 --> 00:47:43.300 basically. 00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:44.750 Now they have faculty and they 00:47:44.750 --> 00:47:46.460 have classes too, but. 00:47:46.460 --> 00:47:49.030 And the interesting thing about 00:47:49.030 --> 00:47:49.580 Shorenstein 00:47:49.580 --> 00:47:51.330 is the director there is a guy 00:47:51.330 --> 00:47:52.620 named Alex Jones. 00:47:52.620 --> 00:47:53.930 And if you look up Alex Jones, 00:47:53.930 --> 00:47:55.900 if you Google him, 00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:57.340 you'll see a lot. 00:47:57.340 --> 00:47:59.690 He wrote an editorial in the LA 00:47:59.690 --> 00:48:00.180 Times 00:48:00.180 --> 00:48:02.900 during the Dean candidacy and 00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:03.980 basically said, 00:48:03.980 --> 00:48:05.500 and it was the most horribly 00:48:05.500 --> 00:48:06.380 inaccurate. 00:48:06.380 --> 00:48:09.210 I mean, it was just, it was 00:48:09.210 --> 00:48:09.700 lies. 00:48:09.700 --> 00:48:11.220 Infowars.com? 00:48:11.220 --> 00:48:14.100 Was that Alex Jones? 00:48:14.100 --> 00:48:15.400 I don't, yeah, anything but 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:16.700 Alex Jones, that's gonna be, 00:48:16.700 --> 00:48:18.380 and the thing about it is I had 00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:19.980 lunch with Alex Jones 00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:22.260 and with Rebecca McKinnon. 00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:23.500 She introduced me to him. 00:48:23.500 --> 00:48:24.800 She was a fellow at Shorenstein 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:24.980 . 00:48:24.980 --> 00:48:26.620 She's now a fellow at Berkman. 00:48:26.620 --> 00:48:28.260 She'll also be a blogger, too. 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:30.830 And it was an adversarial 00:48:30.830 --> 00:48:32.060 conversation, 00:48:32.060 --> 00:48:33.770 but it was a very good advers 00:48:33.770 --> 00:48:35.340 arial conversation. 00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:36.620 If we had tape recorded it, 00:48:36.620 --> 00:48:38.300 you would have heard all of the 00:48:38.300 --> 00:48:38.740 issues 00:48:38.740 --> 00:48:40.140 coming out on both sides. 00:48:40.140 --> 00:48:43.620 - Some writings by Alex Jones, 00:48:43.620 --> 00:48:45.180 covering ethnic conflicts, 00:48:45.180 --> 00:48:46.580 reflecting on a different era 00:48:46.580 --> 00:48:48.220 in political journalism, 00:48:48.220 --> 00:48:50.190 the vanishing voter, covering 00:48:50.190 --> 00:48:51.900 science and technology, 00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.560 and bloggers are the sizzle, 00:48:53.560 --> 00:48:55.060 not the stake. 00:48:55.060 --> 00:48:55.900 - That was it. 00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:56.940 And he went further. 00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:58.860 There was more after that, too. 00:48:58.860 --> 00:48:59.870 There was a point where I just 00:48:59.870 --> 00:49:00.420 couldn't believe 00:49:00.420 --> 00:49:02.140 it was the same person. 00:49:02.140 --> 00:49:03.420 Because this is a Pulitzer 00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:04.180 Prize-winning, 00:49:04.180 --> 00:49:06.380 former New York Times reporter, 00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:08.140 who has risen all the way to 00:49:08.140 --> 00:49:09.700 the top in academia 00:49:09.700 --> 00:49:11.100 and has written these very 00:49:11.100 --> 00:49:12.020 scholarly books 00:49:12.020 --> 00:49:13.660 that are very highly regarded. 00:49:13.660 --> 00:49:15.030 And when it comes time to 00:49:15.030 --> 00:49:16.300 debate whether blogging 00:49:16.300 --> 00:49:18.400 is making a contribution to 00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:19.540 journalism, 00:49:19.540 --> 00:49:21.340 he resorts to lies and go, 00:49:21.340 --> 00:49:23.260 "Whoa, what is going on here? 00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:24.780 "Is this guy scared or what?" 00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:25.620 You know? 00:49:25.620 --> 00:49:26.460 - Really? 00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:27.300 - Yeah, totally. 00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:29.420 And so, you know, I'm totally, 00:49:29.420 --> 00:49:30.500 and they invited me to the 00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:31.740 conference to their credit. 00:49:31.740 --> 00:49:33.110 They know damn well that I'm 00:49:33.110 --> 00:49:33.700 gonna stand up 00:49:33.700 --> 00:49:35.220 and argue with Alex. 00:49:35.220 --> 00:49:36.420 And, you know. 00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:37.780 - Can we send Mark Cantor, too, 00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:39.380 just to really freak him out? 00:49:39.380 --> 00:49:41.100 - Oh, let's not do that. 00:49:41.100 --> 00:49:42.540 - Hi! 00:49:42.540 --> 00:49:43.940 - Hi, Alex! 00:49:43.940 --> 00:49:45.250 - Mark is actually starting to 00:49:45.250 --> 00:49:46.180 make some sense now. 00:49:46.180 --> 00:49:47.060 You know, people are giving him 00:49:47.060 --> 00:49:47.380 shit 00:49:47.380 --> 00:49:49.080 about all this stuff about, you 00:49:49.080 --> 00:49:49.220 know, 00:49:49.220 --> 00:49:50.560 he says people should be blog 00:49:50.560 --> 00:49:50.820 ging. 00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:51.930 They should pay people to blog 00:49:51.930 --> 00:49:53.500 about your product, right? 00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:55.180 And so, the knee-jerk reaction 00:49:55.180 --> 00:49:55.340 is, 00:49:55.340 --> 00:49:56.320 "Well, you know, that will 00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:57.500 create conflicts of interest, 00:49:57.500 --> 00:49:58.620 "et cetera, et cetera." 00:49:58.620 --> 00:49:59.870 The answer is it doesn't 00:49:59.870 --> 00:50:00.620 necessarily 00:50:00.620 --> 00:50:01.900 create a conflict of interest 00:50:01.900 --> 00:50:03.100 if you disclose it. 00:50:03.100 --> 00:50:04.040 If you tell people you're 00:50:04.040 --> 00:50:04.660 getting the money, 00:50:04.660 --> 00:50:06.240 you have not created a conflict 00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:07.060 of interest. 00:50:07.060 --> 00:50:08.610 And in fact, if I tell people I 00:50:08.610 --> 00:50:08.900 can write 00:50:08.900 --> 00:50:10.470 about anything I want to, and 00:50:10.470 --> 00:50:11.620 you actually do, 00:50:11.620 --> 00:50:12.860 there's no reason why the 00:50:12.860 --> 00:50:13.140 company 00:50:13.140 --> 00:50:14.370 shouldn't pay you to write 00:50:14.370 --> 00:50:14.980 about it. 00:50:14.980 --> 00:50:16.340 The company deserves a lot of 00:50:16.340 --> 00:50:16.580 credit 00:50:16.580 --> 00:50:17.840 if they actually can pull that 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:18.180 off. 00:50:18.180 --> 00:50:20.780 - Well, just like all of us are 00:50:20.780 --> 00:50:21.300 complaining 00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:23.260 about technology companies and 00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:23.860 entertainment 00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:24.950 and content companies not 00:50:24.950 --> 00:50:26.020 having their shit together 00:50:26.020 --> 00:50:27.570 and not going with the times, 00:50:27.570 --> 00:50:29.020 we need some adjusting, too. 00:50:29.020 --> 00:50:31.060 - Totally. 00:50:31.060 --> 00:50:32.150 You know, it's sort of like, 00:50:32.150 --> 00:50:33.260 ask yourself the question, 00:50:33.260 --> 00:50:34.530 okay, you're now a developer, 00:50:34.530 --> 00:50:34.940 Adam. 00:50:34.940 --> 00:50:35.980 You know, I know you joke about 00:50:35.980 --> 00:50:36.020 it, 00:50:36.020 --> 00:50:36.850 but you actually are a 00:50:36.850 --> 00:50:37.300 developer, 00:50:37.300 --> 00:50:38.580 whether you want to acknowledge 00:50:38.580 --> 00:50:38.900 it or not. 00:50:38.900 --> 00:50:40.740 - Do I get a ribbon? 00:50:40.740 --> 00:50:42.460 - No, you get a question. 00:50:42.460 --> 00:50:43.300 - Okay. 00:50:43.300 --> 00:50:46.710 - Let's say Apple called you up 00:50:46.710 --> 00:50:46.980 and said, 00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:48.170 you know, we really think it's 00:50:48.170 --> 00:50:48.380 great 00:50:48.380 --> 00:50:49.580 that you're writing the 00:50:49.580 --> 00:50:51.140 software for our platform. 00:50:51.140 --> 00:50:52.190 We'd just like to give you some 00:50:52.190 --> 00:50:52.620 money. 00:50:52.620 --> 00:50:54.890 And they said, well, what would 00:50:54.890 --> 00:50:55.860 I get the money for? 00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:57.290 Said, no, no, we just want to 00:50:57.290 --> 00:50:58.220 give you some money. 00:50:58.220 --> 00:51:00.970 And you keep, you know, so this 00:51:00.970 --> 00:51:01.820 is kind of what, 00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:03.060 now if you really get it now-- 00:51:03.060 --> 00:51:04.060 - I'm waiting for my question. 00:51:04.060 --> 00:51:05.860 Is this a part of the question? 00:51:05.860 --> 00:51:07.240 - I guess the question is, has 00:51:07.240 --> 00:51:08.260 this ever occurred to you? 00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:11.840 Because that, I should shut up 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:12.820 and let you answer the question 00:51:12.820 --> 00:51:12.820 , 00:51:12.820 --> 00:51:14.500 but I should also explain it. 00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:15.940 The developers always seem to 00:51:15.940 --> 00:51:16.780 get to this point 00:51:16.780 --> 00:51:18.330 where you say they ought to 00:51:18.330 --> 00:51:19.300 just give me money 00:51:19.300 --> 00:51:20.710 for doing what I'm doing, you 00:51:20.710 --> 00:51:21.220 know? 00:51:21.220 --> 00:51:23.080 Because I'm helping them build 00:51:23.080 --> 00:51:23.980 a platform here. 00:51:23.980 --> 00:51:26.090 And so I guess that's the 00:51:26.090 --> 00:51:27.300 question. 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:28.240 - So the question is, do I 00:51:28.240 --> 00:51:29.100 think I should get money 00:51:29.100 --> 00:51:30.470 from Apple for helping them 00:51:30.470 --> 00:51:31.740 build their platform? 00:51:31.740 --> 00:51:32.970 - I don't know, no, that's a 00:51:32.970 --> 00:51:33.980 stupid question. 00:51:33.980 --> 00:51:35.420 Of course, if it's something-- 00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:37.030 - Can I have the ribbon after 00:51:37.030 --> 00:51:37.460 all? 00:51:37.460 --> 00:51:39.900 - The question on her sucks. 00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:41.420 - Yeah, the question sucks, it 00:51:41.420 --> 00:51:41.980 's true. 00:51:41.980 --> 00:51:42.820 - Well, then make a point, 00:51:42.820 --> 00:51:44.120 'cause I know you want to make 00:51:44.120 --> 00:51:44.820 a point. 00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:48.420 - It's sometimes, okay, what's 00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:49.660 the alternative? 00:51:49.660 --> 00:51:51.260 So let's say a company wants to 00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:51.860 take a ride 00:51:51.860 --> 00:51:53.220 on the clue train, right? 00:51:53.220 --> 00:51:54.820 They read Doc Searle's, you 00:51:54.820 --> 00:51:54.980 know, 00:51:54.980 --> 00:51:56.160 David Weinberger, Doc Searle's, 00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:57.460 Chris Locke, 00:51:57.460 --> 00:51:59.260 David Levine's book, okay? 00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:00.260 - Yeah. - The clue train, 00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:01.910 which is a great book, and you 00:52:01.910 --> 00:52:02.140 know, 00:52:02.140 --> 00:52:04.380 it's approaching an idea from 00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:05.900 50 different angles. 00:52:05.900 --> 00:52:07.050 You could have done it in one 00:52:07.050 --> 00:52:07.420 chapter, 00:52:07.420 --> 00:52:08.900 but they did it in 20 chapters. 00:52:08.900 --> 00:52:10.740 - Clue train.org. 00:52:10.740 --> 00:52:11.930 - Yeah, and you know, the clue 00:52:11.930 --> 00:52:13.180 train manifesto basically-- 00:52:13.180 --> 00:52:14.740 - Excuse me. 00:52:14.740 --> 00:52:16.220 - It's like the Bush guys say, 00:52:16.220 --> 00:52:17.760 "Well, we're not reality based 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:18.060 ." 00:52:18.060 --> 00:52:19.020 You know, the clue train says, 00:52:19.020 --> 00:52:20.980 "Get reality based," you know? 00:52:20.980 --> 00:52:22.800 And in other words, when your 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.140 customers call you up 00:52:24.140 --> 00:52:25.910 and say your product sucks, you 00:52:25.910 --> 00:52:26.260 know, 00:52:26.260 --> 00:52:27.950 the clue train says, "You don't 00:52:27.950 --> 00:52:28.860 fight them on that, 00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:29.930 "you don't disagree with them 00:52:29.930 --> 00:52:31.740 on that, you say, 'Okay, 00:52:31.740 --> 00:52:33.480 "let's, okay, our product does 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:33.780 suck, 00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:34.990 "let's figure out what we can 00:52:34.990 --> 00:52:35.860 do to make it better, 00:52:35.860 --> 00:52:36.830 "or to make your experience 00:52:36.830 --> 00:52:37.420 with it better, 00:52:37.420 --> 00:52:39.960 "and we'll try to fix it later 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.460 ." 00:52:40.460 --> 00:52:42.100 And you know, it's basically, 00:52:42.100 --> 00:52:42.100 you know, 00:52:42.100 --> 00:52:43.720 just don't play the old message 00:52:43.720 --> 00:52:44.220 game. 00:52:44.220 --> 00:52:46.140 Don't treat your customers like 00:52:46.140 --> 00:52:46.900 individuals, 00:52:46.900 --> 00:52:48.580 and you know, that's the new 00:52:48.580 --> 00:52:50.420 way to do business, right? 00:52:50.420 --> 00:52:52.810 So, you're a clue train, devote 00:52:52.810 --> 00:52:53.500 e company, 00:52:53.500 --> 00:52:54.930 and you decide that you want to 00:52:54.930 --> 00:52:55.940 make an investment 00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:57.680 in transforming yourself to 00:52:57.680 --> 00:52:59.020 being, you know, clued in. 00:52:59.020 --> 00:53:00.720 So, what do you use the money 00:53:00.720 --> 00:53:01.180 for? 00:53:01.180 --> 00:53:02.580 Do you, like say to your 00:53:02.580 --> 00:53:03.380 employees, 00:53:03.380 --> 00:53:04.480 "Oh, here, go write a blog, 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:04.860 right? 00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:06.520 "We're not gonna tell you what 00:53:06.520 --> 00:53:07.180 to write, 00:53:07.180 --> 00:53:08.660 "you can write whatever you 00:53:08.660 --> 00:53:09.100 want, you know, 00:53:09.100 --> 00:53:10.360 "but go ahead and do this, and 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:11.580 we won't interfere." 00:53:11.580 --> 00:53:13.280 Most employees wouldn't know 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:13.860 what to do, 00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:15.220 and they'd be scared to do it, 00:53:15.220 --> 00:53:16.560 because they don't want to lose 00:53:16.560 --> 00:53:17.500 their job, right? 00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:18.340 - Right. 00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:20.590 - You put the CEO up there and 00:53:20.590 --> 00:53:21.020 say, you know, 00:53:21.020 --> 00:53:22.200 "Here, I'll write a blog, and I 00:53:22.200 --> 00:53:22.540 'll tell you 00:53:22.540 --> 00:53:23.590 "what I think or how I feel 00:53:23.590 --> 00:53:24.820 about all these things." 00:53:24.820 --> 00:53:27.700 Again, the CEO, it's unfair to 00:53:27.700 --> 00:53:29.340 ask them to do that. 00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:30.390 They've had a whole life of 00:53:30.390 --> 00:53:31.620 training that says-- 00:53:31.620 --> 00:53:33.510 - Don't do that yet, control 00:53:33.510 --> 00:53:34.340 the flow. 00:53:34.340 --> 00:53:35.230 - Right, and you know, you 00:53:35.230 --> 00:53:36.140 could tell them to do it, 00:53:36.140 --> 00:53:38.060 or she could decide to do it, 00:53:38.060 --> 00:53:39.610 but you know, it's not gonna 00:53:39.610 --> 00:53:40.380 ring true. 00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:41.680 Now, the best way, I think, 00:53:41.680 --> 00:53:42.860 what Mark is saying is, 00:53:42.860 --> 00:53:44.070 you know, go find some people 00:53:44.070 --> 00:53:44.940 who are interested 00:53:44.940 --> 00:53:46.530 in your product, maybe even 00:53:46.530 --> 00:53:47.580 love your product, 00:53:47.580 --> 00:53:49.370 and support them, but don't 00:53:49.370 --> 00:53:50.940 tell them what to say. 00:53:50.940 --> 00:53:52.220 Just say, "All you have to do, 00:53:52.220 --> 00:53:53.580 all we want you to do, 00:53:53.580 --> 00:53:54.650 "never mind what you have to do 00:53:54.650 --> 00:53:54.780 , 00:53:54.780 --> 00:53:57.380 "what we want you to do is to, 00:53:57.380 --> 00:53:57.540 you know, 00:53:57.540 --> 00:53:59.060 "look at our products, use them 00:53:59.060 --> 00:54:00.500 , and write about them." 00:54:00.500 --> 00:54:01.630 And it shouldn't be a trick to 00:54:01.630 --> 00:54:02.580 find people to do that, 00:54:02.580 --> 00:54:04.010 because, you know, go find 00:54:04.010 --> 00:54:04.340 people 00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:06.020 who already use your products. 00:54:06.020 --> 00:54:08.420 And, you know, I-- - Okay. 00:54:08.420 --> 00:54:11.420 Yeah. 00:54:11.420 --> 00:54:13.820 I take the money. 00:54:13.820 --> 00:54:15.780 - Yeah, of course you would. 00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:17.990 - Yeah, thank you, and can I 00:54:17.990 --> 00:54:19.580 make you some more? 00:54:19.580 --> 00:54:20.540 - Right. 00:54:20.540 --> 00:54:21.720 - Of course I would, and I 00:54:21.720 --> 00:54:22.940 think anybody else would. 00:54:22.940 --> 00:54:24.460 I think that's right. 00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:28.510 But unfortunately, well, maybe 00:54:28.510 --> 00:54:29.700 we should tell people, 00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:31.520 don't wait around for that call 00:54:31.520 --> 00:54:32.420 from Apple. 00:54:32.420 --> 00:54:33.890 - Yeah, they probably are 00:54:33.890 --> 00:54:34.540 coming. 00:54:34.540 --> 00:54:36.740 - Yeah, it is not, you know, 00:54:36.740 --> 00:54:37.540 and I had a, 00:54:37.540 --> 00:54:39.130 I really, I had a vision, man, 00:54:39.130 --> 00:54:40.140 for just like a second. 00:54:40.140 --> 00:54:42.350 I was just thinking, here's 00:54:42.350 --> 00:54:43.180 Steve Jobs, 00:54:43.180 --> 00:54:44.420 he's gonna be on stage, 00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:46.170 he's gonna be introducing his 00:54:46.170 --> 00:54:46.880 new iPod. 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.400 And if he only just said 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.020 podcasting just once, 00:54:50.020 --> 00:54:51.340 you know, it just slipped out, 00:54:51.340 --> 00:54:52.020 you know, like, 00:54:52.020 --> 00:54:53.980 I just wanted to hear him say, 00:54:53.980 --> 00:54:56.230 "I hear people out there on the 00:54:56.230 --> 00:54:56.980 internet, 00:54:56.980 --> 00:54:59.220 "are talking about podcasting." 00:54:59.220 --> 00:55:00.460 - Not that one, that was clever 00:55:00.460 --> 00:55:00.660 . 00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:02.390 - Yeah, that was good, wasn't 00:55:02.390 --> 00:55:02.780 it? 00:55:02.780 --> 00:55:03.620 - Yeah. 00:55:03.620 --> 00:55:07.300 - But it was not to be. 00:55:07.300 --> 00:55:08.720 - Of course, what would it cost 00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:09.500 him to do that? 00:55:09.500 --> 00:55:11.020 - He doesn't know about it. 00:55:11.020 --> 00:55:14.730 No, I mean, I think I can 00:55:14.730 --> 00:55:15.820 disclose this now 00:55:15.820 --> 00:55:18.140 that I heard several weeks ago 00:55:18.140 --> 00:55:20.140 when podcasting was just 00:55:20.140 --> 00:55:20.940 starting, 00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:24.050 someone sent me an email who I 00:55:24.050 --> 00:55:24.700 believe 00:55:24.700 --> 00:55:26.140 was probably telling the truth, 00:55:26.140 --> 00:55:28.980 and I said, you know, I spoke 00:55:28.980 --> 00:55:29.580 to the guy 00:55:29.580 --> 00:55:31.080 who was credited most for 00:55:31.080 --> 00:55:32.420 creating the iPod, 00:55:32.420 --> 00:55:34.460 and I was talking to him, 00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:35.340 and then the guy said, 00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:36.710 "What is this podcasting you 00:55:36.710 --> 00:55:37.340 speak of? 00:55:37.340 --> 00:55:39.180 "What is this?" 00:55:39.180 --> 00:55:40.780 And so he didn't know, 00:55:40.780 --> 00:55:42.780 and he was gonna look into it, 00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:45.140 but they don't know. 00:55:45.140 --> 00:55:46.630 I mean, when I heard Steve Jobs 00:55:46.630 --> 00:55:46.900 talk, 00:55:46.900 --> 00:55:48.230 he was only talking about music 00:55:48.230 --> 00:55:48.420 . 00:55:48.420 --> 00:55:49.860 He was, what you just said, 00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:50.140 Dave, 00:55:50.140 --> 00:55:52.420 only one way, one way only, one 00:55:52.420 --> 00:55:53.380 way street. 00:55:54.620 --> 00:55:55.790 - Yeah, it pissed me off when 00:55:55.790 --> 00:55:56.060 he said 00:55:56.060 --> 00:55:57.420 that there was no video content 00:55:57.420 --> 00:55:57.420 , 00:55:57.420 --> 00:55:59.620 because one of the, you know-- 00:55:59.620 --> 00:56:01.140 - Well, he says, "Why?" 00:56:01.140 --> 00:56:03.630 I mean, he owns huge fucking 00:56:03.630 --> 00:56:05.660 volumes of video content. 00:56:05.660 --> 00:56:07.750 - But going back to the two-way 00:56:07.750 --> 00:56:08.220 thing, 00:56:08.220 --> 00:56:10.410 it's like, I've got this brown 00:56:10.410 --> 00:56:11.140 ie camera, 00:56:11.140 --> 00:56:13.120 the Nikon Coolpix, which is 00:56:13.120 --> 00:56:14.420 like point and shoot, 00:56:14.420 --> 00:56:16.230 it has a dialing, so you turn 00:56:16.230 --> 00:56:16.660 the dial 00:56:16.660 --> 00:56:18.220 to the little movie camera. 00:56:18.220 --> 00:56:19.860 - Yeah, and you shoot a movie. 00:56:19.860 --> 00:56:21.680 - Press the button down, and 00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:22.460 you let it up, 00:56:22.460 --> 00:56:23.820 and guess what ends up on your 00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:24.540 hard drive? 00:56:24.540 --> 00:56:26.380 - A .mov file, right? 00:56:26.380 --> 00:56:28.060 It's a little bigger, it's a 00:56:28.060 --> 00:56:30.180 lot bigger than a picture, 00:56:30.180 --> 00:56:32.160 but it's not that much bigger 00:56:32.160 --> 00:56:33.620 than a podcast is. 00:56:33.620 --> 00:56:34.440 We've already got the 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:35.860 distribution system in place 00:56:35.860 --> 00:56:38.130 for that, so what he said was, 00:56:38.130 --> 00:56:39.460 was ignorant. 00:56:39.460 --> 00:56:40.900 It was simply not true. 00:56:40.900 --> 00:56:44.060 It was, that's why it irritated 00:56:44.060 --> 00:56:44.500 me, 00:56:44.500 --> 00:56:46.020 it's like, wouldn't it be cool 00:56:46.020 --> 00:56:46.620 if they got 00:56:46.620 --> 00:56:48.300 on top of this thing, and then, 00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:49.180 well, 00:56:49.180 --> 00:56:50.300 they didn't get on top of it, 00:56:50.300 --> 00:56:50.820 Adam, 00:56:50.820 --> 00:56:51.660 for a couple of reasons. 00:56:51.660 --> 00:56:52.770 One is the three, they didn't 00:56:52.770 --> 00:56:53.380 know about it, 00:56:53.380 --> 00:56:55.030 so that sort of is a deal stop 00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:55.500 per. 00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:57.500 But the second, they don't have 00:56:57.500 --> 00:56:58.020 a way to, 00:56:58.020 --> 00:56:59.310 they don't have a product that 00:56:59.310 --> 00:57:00.740 really works with it, 00:57:00.740 --> 00:57:02.660 and third and most important is 00:57:02.660 --> 00:57:03.380 they don't have a way 00:57:03.380 --> 00:57:05.700 to profit from it directly. 00:57:05.700 --> 00:57:06.800 - Right, I know, but they 00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:07.860 always have every single 00:57:07.860 --> 00:57:09.720 fucking Yahoo on stage to demo 00:57:09.720 --> 00:57:11.260 their fucking software, 00:57:11.260 --> 00:57:13.220 and I just wanna see Ray or 00:57:13.220 --> 00:57:14.380 August or Andrew 00:57:14.380 --> 00:57:15.820 or one of our guys be up there 00:57:15.820 --> 00:57:16.860 and say, 00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:18.450 with fucked up hair and like 00:57:18.450 --> 00:57:19.140 half stone, 00:57:19.140 --> 00:57:21.000 and say, dude, got this iPodder 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:21.300 ? 00:57:21.300 --> 00:57:23.080 I mean, that's all I want from 00:57:23.080 --> 00:57:23.820 the company 00:57:23.820 --> 00:57:25.660 that I have spent tens of 00:57:25.660 --> 00:57:27.140 thousands of dollars 00:57:27.140 --> 00:57:29.460 on beta testing their product. 00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:30.540 - Got a clue for you, though, 00:57:30.540 --> 00:57:32.520 that and $1.50 gets you on the 00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:34.100 New York City subway. 00:57:34.100 --> 00:57:35.500 - Yeah, right on. 00:57:35.500 --> 00:57:37.300 - I've been there and-- 00:57:37.300 --> 00:57:40.100 - It gives you nothing? 00:57:40.100 --> 00:57:40.940 - Nothing at all. 00:57:40.940 --> 00:57:42.440 I mean, basically, you get a 00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:43.260 few people going, 00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:44.820 oh, did Hellfree's over too? 00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:45.660 But-- 00:57:45.660 --> 00:57:46.500 (laughing) 00:57:46.500 --> 00:57:47.340 - Yeah, right. 00:57:47.340 --> 00:57:48.830 - You know, worth it, they 00:57:48.830 --> 00:57:50.100 actually literally said that, 00:57:50.100 --> 00:57:51.380 it's like, wow, I can't believe 00:57:51.380 --> 00:57:52.980 they let you up there, right? 00:57:52.980 --> 00:57:54.380 - That's nice. 00:57:54.380 --> 00:57:55.700 - It doesn't mean it's nice, 00:57:55.700 --> 00:57:57.440 and the buzz lasts for about a 00:57:57.440 --> 00:57:58.780 negative two seconds, 00:57:58.780 --> 00:58:01.120 and after that, so where are 00:58:01.120 --> 00:58:01.740 the sales, 00:58:01.740 --> 00:58:03.120 and you don't ever get, you don 00:58:03.120 --> 00:58:03.940 't ever see it. 00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:05.600 They set it up so that all the 00:58:05.600 --> 00:58:06.500 sales go to them. 00:58:06.500 --> 00:58:08.380 It wasn't always that way, okay 00:58:08.380 --> 00:58:08.620 ? 00:58:08.620 --> 00:58:10.100 I mean, there were times when, 00:58:10.100 --> 00:58:12.010 and I talk about this quite a 00:58:12.010 --> 00:58:12.780 bit of length 00:58:12.780 --> 00:58:14.450 in the DUDK thing that I did 00:58:14.450 --> 00:58:15.380 yesterday, 00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:18.740 but there were two years, in my 00:58:18.740 --> 00:58:19.380 experience, 00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:21.140 when we really were able to do 00:58:21.140 --> 00:58:23.020 deals with Apple regularly, 00:58:23.020 --> 00:58:24.460 and they were win-win deals, 00:58:24.460 --> 00:58:27.100 and but it was only two years 00:58:27.100 --> 00:58:27.940 out of whatever, 00:58:27.940 --> 00:58:29.960 20 years the Mac has existed 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:30.460 now. 00:58:30.460 --> 00:58:32.780 So, you know, I wouldn't, 00:58:32.780 --> 00:58:33.990 we gotta create our own 00:58:33.990 --> 00:58:34.740 platform. 00:58:34.740 --> 00:58:35.950 That's the lesson of the 00:58:35.950 --> 00:58:36.660 internet. 00:58:36.660 --> 00:58:37.880 That's the reason why I came 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:39.780 back into software in '94. 00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.100 I had quit because the big 00:58:42.100 --> 00:58:43.740 companies, 00:58:43.740 --> 00:58:44.780 you know, just simply weren't 00:58:44.780 --> 00:58:45.540 going to create 00:58:45.540 --> 00:58:46.990 or let the little companies do 00:58:46.990 --> 00:58:48.300 anything, you know? 00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:50.190 I told the story to Robert Sco 00:58:50.190 --> 00:58:51.340 ble the other day 00:58:51.340 --> 00:58:52.780 'cause he and I have been sort 00:58:52.780 --> 00:58:54.740 of like arguing 00:58:54.740 --> 00:58:56.940 in a friendly way about our 00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:57.500 relative, 00:58:57.500 --> 00:58:59.250 respective ignorances, you know 00:58:59.250 --> 00:58:59.460 ? 00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:04.340 And my thing about Microsoft, 00:59:04.340 --> 00:59:05.780 and Microsoft, of course, is 00:59:05.780 --> 00:59:07.860 quite a bit bigger than Apple, 00:59:07.860 --> 00:59:10.060 you know, is that they're like 00:59:10.060 --> 00:59:12.860 this big sulking teenage giant, 00:59:12.860 --> 00:59:15.140 that's like (coughs) 00:59:15.140 --> 00:59:17.340 and, you know, they moved into 00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:18.700 this neighborhood, 00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:19.920 moved right next door to this 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.140 lovely trout salmon stream. 00:59:22.140 --> 00:59:25.420 They ate all the fish in the 00:59:25.420 --> 00:59:26.580 stream, 00:59:26.580 --> 00:59:28.280 and the cop comes along and 00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:28.780 says, 00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:30.040 "That's illegal, let me slap 00:59:30.040 --> 00:59:30.740 your wrist." 00:59:30.740 --> 00:59:32.100 And so the cop slaps the wrist, 00:59:32.100 --> 00:59:34.250 and then a year later, they're 00:59:34.250 --> 00:59:35.020 starving 00:59:35.020 --> 00:59:37.500 and they blame the cop for it. 00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:39.620 (laughing) 00:59:39.620 --> 00:59:40.830 It's like, well, no, the 00:59:40.830 --> 00:59:41.380 problem is 00:59:41.380 --> 00:59:42.380 is that you were really 00:59:42.380 --> 00:59:43.540 dependent on that stream 00:59:43.540 --> 00:59:44.800 because you guys never, ever 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:46.220 come up with a new idea. 00:59:46.220 --> 00:59:47.230 All you do is chase the 00:59:47.230 --> 00:59:47.820 headlights, 00:59:47.820 --> 00:59:48.870 and now you don't have any 00:59:48.870 --> 00:59:49.940 headlights to chase. 00:59:49.940 --> 00:59:51.580 So don't complain to me, 00:59:51.580 --> 00:59:53.040 now you have to start investing 00:59:53.040 --> 00:59:54.220 in headlights again now. 00:59:54.220 --> 00:59:55.220 And, you know, you can't do 00:59:55.220 --> 00:59:55.420 that 00:59:55.420 --> 00:59:56.920 within a large company like 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:57.740 Microsoft. 00:59:57.740 --> 00:59:58.700 It just doesn't happen. 00:59:58.700 --> 00:59:59.700 - Yeah, it doesn't work that, 00:59:59.700 --> 01:00:00.220 you're right. 01:00:00.220 --> 01:00:01.220 Just, I mean, you have a 01:00:01.220 --> 01:00:02.940 company with 500 people, 01:00:02.940 --> 01:00:04.580 let alone 50,000. 01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:06.180 It doesn't work that way. 01:00:06.180 --> 01:00:07.140 - Keep companies, Adam. 01:00:07.140 --> 01:00:09.660 Companies don't create software 01:00:09.660 --> 01:00:09.660 . 01:00:09.660 --> 01:00:11.300 - No, they don't. 01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:13.240 We have a platform without a 01:00:13.240 --> 01:00:14.460 platform vendor, 01:00:14.460 --> 01:00:15.710 and that is the charm of the 01:00:15.710 --> 01:00:16.380 internet. 01:00:16.380 --> 01:00:17.540 That's why the internet is a 01:00:17.540 --> 01:00:18.540 charming platform. 01:00:18.540 --> 01:00:20.820 That's why there's room for you 01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:21.220 and me 01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:23.370 and Don and Drew and Dave Slus 01:00:23.370 --> 01:00:23.700 her 01:00:23.700 --> 01:00:26.580 and the iPod or X guys. 01:00:26.580 --> 01:00:29.280 That's why we can do something. 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.210 The minute we start grabbing 01:00:31.210 --> 01:00:32.220 for attention 01:00:32.220 --> 01:00:33.580 from the big corporations-- 01:00:33.580 --> 01:00:34.860 - That's death. 01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.220 - Well, yeah, and you know, 01:00:36.220 --> 01:00:37.550 we are already kind of doing it 01:00:37.550 --> 01:00:38.900 , you know? 01:00:38.900 --> 01:00:40.270 But yeah, we have to watch out 01:00:40.270 --> 01:00:40.500 for, 01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.090 like really, really defining 01:00:42.090 --> 01:00:43.780 success in those terms. 01:00:43.780 --> 01:00:45.500 It can't, it won't work for us. 01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:46.810 They won't let us have any 01:00:46.810 --> 01:00:47.340 money. 01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:49.620 So we kind of have to create, 01:00:49.620 --> 01:00:50.700 the way I look at it is we have 01:00:50.700 --> 01:00:52.220 to create our own sort of 01:00:52.220 --> 01:00:54.260 uplift, our own updraft, 01:00:54.260 --> 01:00:56.020 and then we have to conspicu 01:00:56.020 --> 01:00:56.460 ously 01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:57.870 play by a different set of 01:00:57.870 --> 01:00:58.260 rules, 01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:00.260 which says that it's okay to 01:01:00.260 --> 01:01:01.760 acknowledge somebody who is a 01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:02.940 competitor, okay? 01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:04.180 It's okay to say, hey, you know 01:01:04.180 --> 01:01:04.180 , 01:01:04.180 --> 01:01:05.270 these guys really made a 01:01:05.270 --> 01:01:06.700 contribution here, 01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:07.730 you know, send some flow in 01:01:07.730 --> 01:01:08.540 their direction. 01:01:08.540 --> 01:01:10.100 It's okay to do that. 01:01:10.100 --> 01:01:11.430 You're not gonna melt, you're 01:01:11.430 --> 01:01:12.220 not gonna fall apart. 01:01:12.220 --> 01:01:13.540 Just like Microsoft wouldn't 01:01:13.540 --> 01:01:14.740 have fallen apart 01:01:14.740 --> 01:01:16.860 had they let Netscape exist. 01:01:16.860 --> 01:01:18.100 - Right. - We now get that 01:01:18.100 --> 01:01:19.220 really clearly. 01:01:19.220 --> 01:01:20.940 And you have to apply that. 01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:22.450 You have to say, okay, we need 01:01:22.450 --> 01:01:23.700 some discipline here. 01:01:23.700 --> 01:01:24.730 You know, and to say, okay, we 01:01:24.730 --> 01:01:26.100 don't have to be everything, 01:01:26.100 --> 01:01:27.540 you know? 01:01:27.540 --> 01:01:28.780 - Right on. 01:01:28.780 --> 01:01:30.540 - Yeah. - Right on. 01:01:30.540 --> 01:01:32.340 - Like philosophy, eventually, 01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:33.460 you know, the Boston Red Sox 01:01:33.460 --> 01:01:34.860 had philosophy, right? 01:01:34.860 --> 01:01:36.380 - How about them fucking Red So 01:01:36.380 --> 01:01:37.060 x, dude? 01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:39.670 - Like 80-something years for 01:01:39.670 --> 01:01:40.500 the philosophy of pay-off. 01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:42.060 - Yeah, it was 1918, right? 01:01:42.060 --> 01:01:44.060 1918 was the last time? 01:01:44.060 --> 01:01:45.020 The only time? 01:01:45.020 --> 01:01:47.020 - Not the only time. 01:01:47.020 --> 01:01:49.050 No, up until then, they were 01:01:49.050 --> 01:01:49.660 the 01:01:49.660 --> 01:01:51.230 team that won the World Series 01:01:51.230 --> 01:01:51.900 the most. 01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:53.330 - I was at my mom's this 01:01:53.330 --> 01:01:53.900 morning. 01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:55.180 I had to take her to the 01:01:55.180 --> 01:01:55.820 hospital, 01:01:55.820 --> 01:01:57.060 and she had, you know, 01:01:57.060 --> 01:01:58.670 she had like her Ted Williams 01:01:58.670 --> 01:01:59.700 beaming smile. 01:01:59.700 --> 01:02:01.540 - Yeah? - Yeah, 01:02:01.540 --> 01:02:03.370 I told you she was a big Red So 01:02:03.370 --> 01:02:03.980 x fan. 01:02:03.980 --> 01:02:05.900 - Everybody's a Red Sox fan, 01:02:05.900 --> 01:02:07.060 except for the Anthony. 01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:09.880 - And even they were Red Sox 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:11.500 fans, but we won't let them. 01:02:11.500 --> 01:02:13.220 (laughing) 01:02:13.220 --> 01:02:14.500 They have to sit in the corner 01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:16.100 and take their lumps right now, 01:02:16.100 --> 01:02:17.820 and we get to shake our fingers 01:02:17.820 --> 01:02:18.220 at them 01:02:18.220 --> 01:02:20.620 and go, "Bad Yankees, bad Yanke 01:02:20.620 --> 01:02:21.260 es." 01:02:21.260 --> 01:02:23.530 - Hey, Dave, we're an hour and 01:02:23.530 --> 01:02:25.460 two minutes into this. 01:02:25.460 --> 01:02:27.300 Let's hit on a couple things, 01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:28.380 because otherwise, you know, if 01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:29.100 we go too long, 01:02:29.100 --> 01:02:30.400 people will think our dicks are 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:30.900 really big 01:02:30.900 --> 01:02:32.780 and we might disappoint them. 01:02:32.780 --> 01:02:33.780 - Yeah, totally. 01:02:33.780 --> 01:02:37.340 - Outage on iPodder.org? 01:02:37.340 --> 01:02:39.460 - Yeah, that was a DNS problem. 01:02:39.460 --> 01:02:40.830 I don't know exactly how it 01:02:40.830 --> 01:02:41.700 happened or whatever, 01:02:41.700 --> 01:02:42.900 but last night I couldn't get 01:02:42.900 --> 01:02:44.660 through to iPodder.org. 01:02:44.660 --> 01:02:45.800 At first I thought the server 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:46.180 was down, 01:02:46.180 --> 01:02:47.220 I went to look at the server, 01:02:47.220 --> 01:02:49.020 the server was all right. 01:02:49.020 --> 01:02:50.820 Then I thought basically it was 01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:51.380 something 01:02:51.380 --> 01:02:52.980 that happened with the DNS. 01:02:52.980 --> 01:02:54.300 - The DNS that I set up, of 01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:54.620 course. 01:02:54.620 --> 01:02:56.130 Always go for the weak brother 01:02:56.130 --> 01:02:58.460 in the technology chain. 01:02:58.460 --> 01:02:59.860 - Just I went to the server. 01:02:59.860 --> 01:03:01.180 (laughing) 01:03:01.180 --> 01:03:02.140 - Right. 01:03:02.140 --> 01:03:03.600 - Yeah, I mean, and then I 01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:04.020 thought, 01:03:04.020 --> 01:03:05.220 "Well, no, a DNS problem." 01:03:05.220 --> 01:03:06.300 And you know, I didn't realize 01:03:06.300 --> 01:03:07.100 that it was a local one. 01:03:07.100 --> 01:03:08.200 Then I went to go look at the 01:03:08.200 --> 01:03:08.660 server log 01:03:08.660 --> 01:03:10.700 and noticed that iPodder.org is 01:03:10.700 --> 01:03:11.460 getting hit. 01:03:11.460 --> 01:03:12.880 So I know that some people it's 01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:13.700 working for, 01:03:13.700 --> 01:03:15.560 and then this morning I'm able 01:03:15.560 --> 01:03:17.100 to get through again. 01:03:17.100 --> 01:03:18.260 - Yeah, 'cause I saw your email 01:03:18.260 --> 01:03:19.460 and I was pretty late for me ' 01:03:19.460 --> 01:03:20.220 cause I was still up 01:03:20.220 --> 01:03:21.480 and I checked it and I was like 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:21.620 , 01:03:21.620 --> 01:03:22.880 "Ah, that's gotta be something 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:23.620 local to you." 01:03:23.620 --> 01:03:25.430 'Cause I was, unlike, I mean, I 01:03:25.430 --> 01:03:26.620 can get to iPodder.org. 01:03:26.620 --> 01:03:28.740 I unfortunately cannot get to 01:03:28.740 --> 01:03:31.300 the George W. Bush website. 01:03:31.300 --> 01:03:33.570 - I think what that's about, we 01:03:33.570 --> 01:03:34.700 figured this one out. 01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:36.340 - Oh, you did? 01:03:36.340 --> 01:03:38.220 - Well, NetCraft posted a 01:03:38.220 --> 01:03:38.580 theory 01:03:38.580 --> 01:03:40.500 and that got me thinking, okay? 01:03:40.500 --> 01:03:42.380 They said, "Well, basically, 01:03:42.380 --> 01:03:42.380 you know, 01:03:42.380 --> 01:03:44.900 "the best way to get a book 01:03:44.900 --> 01:03:46.950 popularized is to have it 01:03:46.950 --> 01:03:47.380 banned." 01:03:47.380 --> 01:03:49.140 And so there are all these 01:03:49.140 --> 01:03:49.940 Europeans 01:03:49.940 --> 01:03:51.880 trying to get through to the 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:52.500 site now. 01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:54.780 And there are ways to do it. 01:03:54.780 --> 01:03:55.890 And of course they never would 01:03:55.890 --> 01:03:57.220 have been doing it otherwise. 01:03:57.220 --> 01:03:59.380 And I, you know, but I thought, 01:03:59.380 --> 01:04:00.400 "Well, why should they care 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:01.260 about Europeans?" 01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:03.060 And the answer is they don't. 01:04:03.060 --> 01:04:04.200 What they care about is 01:04:04.200 --> 01:04:04.780 Americans 01:04:04.780 --> 01:04:06.380 and what they're gonna do is 01:04:06.380 --> 01:04:06.620 hope 01:04:06.620 --> 01:04:07.690 to create a little bit of buzz 01:04:07.690 --> 01:04:08.180 around this, 01:04:08.180 --> 01:04:09.540 maybe a lot of buzz. 01:04:09.540 --> 01:04:10.650 And then Bush is gonna say in 01:04:10.650 --> 01:04:11.780 some campaign speech, 01:04:11.780 --> 01:04:13.980 "We take security seriously 01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:15.180 "and we have put a, erected 01:04:15.180 --> 01:04:15.780 these barriers 01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:17.800 "to keep the terrorists out of 01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:18.580 our country. 01:04:18.580 --> 01:04:20.450 "And we not only do it at the 01:04:20.450 --> 01:04:20.860 ports 01:04:20.860 --> 01:04:22.240 "and at the airports and, you 01:04:22.240 --> 01:04:22.460 know, 01:04:22.460 --> 01:04:23.770 "the railroad stations, but we 01:04:23.770 --> 01:04:25.780 do it on the intercom." 01:04:25.780 --> 01:04:27.060 They don't force much. 01:04:27.060 --> 01:04:29.300 - You really think that's their 01:04:29.300 --> 01:04:30.300 strategy? 01:04:30.300 --> 01:04:31.480 - I think they want an uproar 01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:32.180 about this. 01:04:32.180 --> 01:04:33.340 They want people, you know, 01:04:33.340 --> 01:04:35.220 it's one of these crazy stupid 01:04:35.220 --> 01:04:35.700 things 01:04:35.700 --> 01:04:37.120 where it looks like they're 01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:38.340 being really clueless. 01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:39.830 So all the Democrats are gonna 01:04:39.830 --> 01:04:40.540 get up in arms 01:04:40.540 --> 01:04:41.580 and say, "Look at how clueless 01:04:41.580 --> 01:04:41.940 they are, 01:04:41.940 --> 01:04:43.410 "neener, neener, neener," you 01:04:43.410 --> 01:04:43.860 know? 01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:45.310 And then they're gonna have the 01:04:45.310 --> 01:04:45.860 last laugh 01:04:45.860 --> 01:04:47.240 because most people are too 01:04:47.240 --> 01:04:47.740 confused 01:04:47.740 --> 01:04:49.460 to even know what the fuck any 01:04:49.460 --> 01:04:50.660 of this is about. 01:04:50.660 --> 01:04:52.740 - Yeah, but, you know, that's 01:04:52.740 --> 01:04:54.260 not a very good strategy 01:04:54.260 --> 01:04:56.180 for foreign policy. 01:04:56.180 --> 01:04:58.250 - Well, nobody cares about 01:04:58.250 --> 01:04:59.740 foreign policy. 01:04:59.740 --> 01:05:00.580 They care about-- 01:05:00.580 --> 01:05:02.140 - The foreigners do. 01:05:02.140 --> 01:05:04.100 - The elected, well, tell me, 01:05:04.100 --> 01:05:04.860 yeah, right? 01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:08.060 So, that $1.50 gets you on the 01:05:08.060 --> 01:05:08.980 subway, too. 01:05:08.980 --> 01:05:10.360 - No, no, no, no, no, be 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:11.220 careful what you say. 01:05:11.220 --> 01:05:14.700 We have a lot of influence over 01:05:14.700 --> 01:05:15.460 here. 01:05:15.460 --> 01:05:17.220 You know that the Netherlands, 01:05:17.220 --> 01:05:19.560 which is a country smaller than 01:05:19.560 --> 01:05:20.580 Rhode Island, 01:05:20.580 --> 01:05:22.410 with 70 million people living 01:05:22.410 --> 01:05:22.820 on it, 01:05:22.820 --> 01:05:24.620 is the number two exporter to 01:05:24.620 --> 01:05:25.780 the United States. 01:05:25.780 --> 01:05:28.350 It's like $30 billion that we 01:05:28.350 --> 01:05:29.260 export. 01:05:29.260 --> 01:05:31.020 There's a lot of fucking power 01:05:31.020 --> 01:05:31.580 here. 01:05:31.580 --> 01:05:33.450 - Yeah, well, you guys used to 01:05:33.450 --> 01:05:34.460 own New York. 01:05:34.460 --> 01:05:35.580 - Yeah, we sold it for like a 01:05:35.580 --> 01:05:36.260 fucking mirror 01:05:36.260 --> 01:05:38.380 and some beads. 01:05:38.380 --> 01:05:39.660 - Well, it's not our fault. 01:05:39.660 --> 01:05:41.420 (laughing) 01:05:41.420 --> 01:05:43.420 - Leave that on us. 01:05:43.420 --> 01:05:44.940 - Hey, dude, I'm American. 01:05:44.940 --> 01:05:48.060 I was born in America. 01:05:48.060 --> 01:05:49.180 - American, American. 01:05:49.180 --> 01:05:52.220 - I'm American, man. 01:05:52.220 --> 01:05:53.420 - Everybody. 01:05:53.420 --> 01:05:54.340 - From New Jersey. 01:05:54.340 --> 01:05:55.860 Well, you say that child. 01:05:55.860 --> 01:05:57.220 - We're from New Jersey. 01:05:57.220 --> 01:05:58.420 - New Jersey. 01:05:58.420 --> 01:06:00.700 - Izzy, she's from New Jersey. 01:06:00.700 --> 01:06:01.900 - She's a joysy girl. 01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:05.570 Okay, shit, I think we hit on 01:06:05.570 --> 01:06:06.420 everything. 01:06:06.420 --> 01:06:07.700 Are we done? 01:06:07.700 --> 01:06:08.820 - Yeah, we're done. 01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:10.590 - Oh, no, we're not, we're not 01:06:10.590 --> 01:06:11.140 done. 01:06:11.140 --> 01:06:14.550 No, I need a Dave Weiner blog 01:06:14.550 --> 01:06:15.660 ger con update. 01:06:15.660 --> 01:06:17.860 Update, update, update. 01:06:17.860 --> 01:06:18.700 - Boy. 01:06:18.700 --> 01:06:19.540 - Boy. 01:06:19.540 --> 01:06:22.560 - I don't know, we're sort of 01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:23.900 closing in on it. 01:06:23.900 --> 01:06:24.740 What is today? 01:06:24.740 --> 01:06:26.020 Today is Saturday. 01:06:26.020 --> 01:06:27.260 It's a week from Saturday. 01:06:27.260 --> 01:06:28.120 - Oh, yeah, by the way, I 01:06:28.120 --> 01:06:28.380 forgot to say. 01:06:28.380 --> 01:06:33.380 Today is Thursday the 28th? 01:06:33.380 --> 01:06:35.580 - Yeah, Thursday the 28th. 01:06:35.580 --> 01:06:36.940 - 28th. 01:06:36.940 --> 01:06:38.620 - Yeah, so we're sort of 01:06:38.620 --> 01:06:41.740 organizing the last event now. 01:06:41.740 --> 01:06:42.860 We're sort of up to that. 01:06:42.860 --> 01:06:45.650 We've got food has been, oh, we 01:06:45.650 --> 01:06:46.700 've had an incredible 01:06:46.700 --> 01:06:49.010 fundraising drive, unbelievable 01:06:49.010 --> 01:06:49.260 . 01:06:49.260 --> 01:06:50.550 We're gonna end up with a 01:06:50.550 --> 01:06:51.980 surplus, basically. 01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:54.420 - That's Dawn's iPod. 01:06:54.420 --> 01:06:55.260 - Yeah. 01:06:57.260 --> 01:06:58.870 - I think if I give her an iPod 01:06:58.870 --> 01:06:59.340 , it's coming out 01:06:59.340 --> 01:07:00.570 of my bank account, not out of 01:07:00.570 --> 01:07:00.940 that. 01:07:00.940 --> 01:07:02.140 - Alrighty. 01:07:02.140 --> 01:07:03.840 - I mean, it would be fun to do 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:04.180 that, 01:07:04.180 --> 01:07:05.360 but I don't think that's Dawn's 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:05.740 iPod. 01:07:05.740 --> 01:07:07.560 I think that, use whatever we 01:07:07.560 --> 01:07:08.580 have left over 01:07:08.580 --> 01:07:10.020 to fund the next one. 01:07:10.020 --> 01:07:11.620 We'll do another blogger con. 01:07:11.620 --> 01:07:13.510 Maybe the next one will be in 01:07:13.510 --> 01:07:14.300 Europe. 01:07:14.300 --> 01:07:15.550 I keep talking about doing one 01:07:15.550 --> 01:07:16.580 in Europe. 01:07:16.580 --> 01:07:18.010 Having done one, oh, we haven't 01:07:18.010 --> 01:07:18.540 done it yet, 01:07:18.540 --> 01:07:19.700 but after this, we'll have done 01:07:19.700 --> 01:07:20.580 one on the West Coast, 01:07:20.580 --> 01:07:21.860 two on the East Coast. 01:07:21.860 --> 01:07:23.040 - And besides the money that 01:07:23.040 --> 01:07:23.700 was donated, 01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:25.690 the companies that donated, I 01:07:25.690 --> 01:07:26.260 think, 01:07:26.260 --> 01:07:28.290 was really important, Google 01:07:28.290 --> 01:07:28.660 and AP, 01:07:28.660 --> 01:07:30.940 and people who were saying, 01:07:30.940 --> 01:07:32.580 okay, this shit's for real, 01:07:32.580 --> 01:07:33.660 these people are for real. 01:07:33.660 --> 01:07:34.980 And I saw the Google 01:07:34.980 --> 01:07:36.660 contribution as a real 01:07:36.660 --> 01:07:40.300 olive branch. 01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:42.740 - Yeah, yeah, and I sort of 01:07:42.740 --> 01:07:43.860 verified that 01:07:43.860 --> 01:07:47.020 by an email afterwards that, 01:07:47.020 --> 01:07:47.340 you know, 01:07:47.340 --> 01:07:49.660 it makes sense for Google to 01:07:49.660 --> 01:07:52.340 reach out to the bloggers, 01:07:52.340 --> 01:07:54.080 and it's good that they're 01:07:54.080 --> 01:07:55.060 doing that. 01:07:55.060 --> 01:07:57.100 I mean, it's much appreciated. 01:07:57.100 --> 01:07:58.670 And there'll be great 01:07:58.670 --> 01:08:00.580 participants at the conference, 01:08:00.580 --> 01:08:01.720 and I'm glad to have them 01:08:01.720 --> 01:08:02.420 involved. 01:08:02.420 --> 01:08:04.750 And AP, of course, is the 01:08:04.750 --> 01:08:06.700 professional journalists 01:08:06.700 --> 01:08:08.240 participating in this, and blog 01:08:08.240 --> 01:08:09.300 ging is, of course, 01:08:09.300 --> 01:08:10.500 open to them as well. 01:08:10.500 --> 01:08:13.480 And, you know, it's like Wood 01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:14.180 stock, man. 01:08:14.180 --> 01:08:15.180 It's peace and love. 01:08:15.180 --> 01:08:16.820 - Yeah, right on. 01:08:16.820 --> 01:08:17.920 - It's all breaking out, you 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:18.220 know. 01:08:18.220 --> 01:08:19.570 Hopefully, it'll be a great 01:08:19.570 --> 01:08:20.260 celebration 01:08:20.260 --> 01:08:21.920 of the new carry administration 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:22.140 . 01:08:23.140 --> 01:08:24.950 On the other hand, you know, it 01:08:24.950 --> 01:08:25.180 could be 01:08:25.180 --> 01:08:26.470 that we'll be watching election 01:08:26.470 --> 01:08:26.860 returns 01:08:26.860 --> 01:08:28.260 and during the breaks, you know 01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:28.380 . 01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:29.420 - It has very possible. 01:08:29.420 --> 01:08:30.700 Well, who knows, who knows. 01:08:30.700 --> 01:08:32.420 - A lot of different courtrooms 01:08:32.420 --> 01:08:34.060 in all 50 01:08:34.060 --> 01:08:36.080 of the American states, and 01:08:36.080 --> 01:08:37.020 perhaps there'll be 01:08:37.020 --> 01:08:40.580 a blockade by the French Navy 01:08:40.580 --> 01:08:41.220 or something like that. 01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:42.900 - Well, you know, let me tell 01:08:42.900 --> 01:08:43.380 you this. 01:08:43.380 --> 01:08:44.960 America's a great country, and 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:45.700 Americans are great 01:08:45.700 --> 01:08:46.700 when they get together, and 01:08:46.700 --> 01:08:47.620 they do amazing shit, 01:08:47.620 --> 01:08:48.840 and they're very spiritual 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:49.300 together, 01:08:49.300 --> 01:08:50.980 and we can get shit together 01:08:50.980 --> 01:08:52.140 even if we don't agree. 01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:53.860 And we know when, America, I 01:08:53.860 --> 01:08:55.340 think, basically, 01:08:55.340 --> 01:08:57.410 at its core, understands the 01:08:57.410 --> 01:08:58.020 fundamental 01:08:58.020 --> 01:08:59.780 what's right and what's wrong. 01:08:59.780 --> 01:09:01.500 That's been my experience. 01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:03.880 And if Bush has re-elected, or 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:05.060 if he steals the election, 01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:06.870 or whatever happens, if he is 01:09:06.870 --> 01:09:08.060 still president, 01:09:08.060 --> 01:09:11.440 you know, sometimes you have to 01:09:11.440 --> 01:09:13.460 pull an al Capone, you know. 01:09:13.460 --> 01:09:15.390 You can't get him for rackete 01:09:15.390 --> 01:09:16.100 ering. 01:09:16.100 --> 01:09:17.980 Get him on tax evasion. 01:09:17.980 --> 01:09:19.540 We'll get him. 01:09:19.540 --> 01:09:20.820 - Yeah. 01:09:20.820 --> 01:09:22.470 Well, you gotta be careful 01:09:22.470 --> 01:09:24.180 about what you say there. 01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:25.940 - What do you mean? 01:09:25.940 --> 01:09:26.780 - How you do, I mean-- 01:09:26.780 --> 01:09:28.340 - I'm talking about legality, 01:09:28.340 --> 01:09:28.860 and about 01:09:28.860 --> 01:09:30.330 if someone's breaking the law, 01:09:30.330 --> 01:09:31.260 if someone is 01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:34.100 doing us disservice. 01:09:34.100 --> 01:09:35.210 - One that was talking, you 01:09:35.210 --> 01:09:36.300 told me about the time 01:09:36.300 --> 01:09:38.710 you're a cover, and there is 01:09:38.710 --> 01:09:41.060 open talk about civil war here. 01:09:41.060 --> 01:09:42.340 - But I don't really believe 01:09:42.340 --> 01:09:43.300 that'll happen. 01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:46.020 - You know, it's the logical 01:09:46.020 --> 01:09:46.820 consequence 01:09:46.820 --> 01:09:48.230 of a certain set of things 01:09:48.230 --> 01:09:49.100 happening. 01:09:49.100 --> 01:09:51.580 You know, it's the consequence, 01:09:51.580 --> 01:09:53.220 Kerry wins the election, 01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:54.900 and the Republicans think that 01:09:54.900 --> 01:09:55.980 there was fraud, 01:09:55.980 --> 01:09:58.310 you know, voter fraud, or they 01:09:58.310 --> 01:10:00.100 can just make that noise, 01:10:00.100 --> 01:10:01.430 that maybe they don't believe 01:10:01.430 --> 01:10:01.580 it, 01:10:01.580 --> 01:10:03.660 but they can make that noise. 01:10:03.660 --> 01:10:07.900 Or the Democrats feel, you know 01:10:07.900 --> 01:10:07.900 , 01:10:07.900 --> 01:10:10.190 there's, oh, the Patriot Act 01:10:10.190 --> 01:10:11.340 three is coming, 01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:12.700 and it's gonna include 01:10:12.700 --> 01:10:14.220 concentration camps. 01:10:14.220 --> 01:10:15.060 You know? 01:10:15.060 --> 01:10:16.060 - What? 01:10:16.060 --> 01:10:18.300 - Yeah, I mean, well, let's say 01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:18.460 that 01:10:18.460 --> 01:10:19.510 for another trade secrets in 01:10:19.510 --> 01:10:20.060 another day, 01:10:20.060 --> 01:10:22.450 it's too heavy to talk about at 01:10:22.450 --> 01:10:22.980 the end of one day. 01:10:22.980 --> 01:10:24.340 - Yeah, yeah, I agree. 01:10:24.340 --> 01:10:25.800 Well-- - And I don't wanna talk 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:26.180 about it 01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:28.090 until we know what happens in 01:10:28.090 --> 01:10:29.780 the election, right? 01:10:29.780 --> 01:10:31.580 Let's first go in. 01:10:31.580 --> 01:10:32.850 This is the moment when we 01:10:32.850 --> 01:10:34.380 still have the power 01:10:34.380 --> 01:10:36.020 to change our government. 01:10:36.020 --> 01:10:37.210 You know, we have, that's what 01:10:37.210 --> 01:10:37.700 I said before, 01:10:37.700 --> 01:10:39.660 I see this as a referendum on 01:10:39.660 --> 01:10:41.180 America's heart. 01:10:41.180 --> 01:10:42.610 You know, do we still have that 01:10:42.610 --> 01:10:42.820 , you know, 01:10:42.820 --> 01:10:43.780 which you were talking about? 01:10:43.780 --> 01:10:45.220 This will do the right thing 01:10:45.220 --> 01:10:46.780 when called upon to do it. 01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:48.300 This is the moment, right? 01:10:48.300 --> 01:10:49.380 This is it. 01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:50.810 You know, our strength is that 01:10:50.810 --> 01:10:51.420 we have this thing 01:10:51.420 --> 01:10:53.190 called democracy, and it allows 01:10:53.190 --> 01:10:54.780 us to change our government 01:10:54.780 --> 01:10:56.160 without putting any troops in 01:10:56.160 --> 01:10:57.180 the street, okay? 01:10:57.180 --> 01:10:59.810 - Our weaknesses is that most 01:10:59.810 --> 01:11:01.540 of the masses 01:11:01.540 --> 01:11:03.420 are hypnotized by television. 01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:05.460 That's our weakness. 01:11:05.460 --> 01:11:07.260 That is our ultimate weakness 01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:08.380 is that our own, 01:11:08.380 --> 01:11:11.120 the best product we have in 01:11:11.120 --> 01:11:12.020 America, 01:11:12.020 --> 01:11:15.270 which is all things media, is 01:11:15.270 --> 01:11:17.020 what has us enslaved. 01:11:18.020 --> 01:11:18.690 - And this is the moment when 01:11:18.690 --> 01:11:20.220 the shit hits the fan. 01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:21.060 This is it. 01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:24.700 November 2nd, 2004, that's it. 01:11:24.700 --> 01:11:25.750 - Well, we all have a real 01:11:25.750 --> 01:11:26.900 responsibility on the web 01:11:26.900 --> 01:11:28.870 to whatever happens, to keep 01:11:28.870 --> 01:11:30.740 reporting and keep pushing 01:11:30.740 --> 01:11:33.680 and keep, you know, keep stuff 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.740 floating up to the top. 01:11:35.740 --> 01:11:36.990 - I think even more 01:11:36.990 --> 01:11:38.060 specifically, 01:11:38.060 --> 01:11:40.850 we have an obligation to really 01:11:40.850 --> 01:11:43.060 promote the idea that, 01:11:43.060 --> 01:14:28.610 you know, that's to promote the 01:14:28.610 --> 01:11:46.620 very candidacy, basically. 01:11:46.620 --> 01:11:49.180 That there is a consistent set 01:11:49.180 --> 01:11:49.940 of principles there, 01:11:49.940 --> 01:11:51.580 which says that's the thing to 01:11:51.580 --> 01:11:51.940 do. 01:11:51.940 --> 01:11:53.740 That you promote the candidacy, 01:11:53.740 --> 01:11:56.500 and you also hold his feet to 01:11:56.500 --> 01:11:58.220 the fire after the election. 01:11:58.220 --> 01:11:59.820 In other words, there's no big 01:11:59.820 --> 01:12:00.820 sigh of relief. 01:12:00.820 --> 01:12:02.610 We have to make sure he doesn't 01:12:02.610 --> 01:12:03.700 do to the Republicans 01:12:03.700 --> 01:12:05.530 what the Republicans have done 01:12:05.530 --> 01:12:06.060 to us. 01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:07.190 We have to make deals with the 01:12:07.190 --> 01:12:07.940 Republicans. 01:12:07.940 --> 01:12:09.340 We have to listen to them. 01:12:09.340 --> 01:12:10.690 We have to try to meet their 01:12:10.690 --> 01:12:11.540 objectives. 01:12:11.540 --> 01:12:13.750 Reasonable objectives, if we 01:12:13.750 --> 01:12:14.780 win, okay? 01:12:14.780 --> 01:12:16.460 That's very, very important. 01:12:16.460 --> 01:12:17.990 That's how we avoid a civil war 01:12:17.990 --> 01:12:18.220 . 01:12:18.220 --> 01:12:20.430 - Hold on, while you're doing 01:12:20.430 --> 01:12:21.940 your little thing there, 01:12:21.940 --> 01:12:23.240 your soliloquy, I'm gonna play 01:12:23.240 --> 01:12:23.780 some Van Jellis. 01:12:23.780 --> 01:12:25.660 That sounds really cool. 01:12:25.660 --> 01:12:28.280 - Yeah, we need to wind this up 01:12:28.280 --> 01:12:28.660 . 01:12:28.660 --> 01:12:29.960 - Do the thing again about 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:31.020 voting for Kerry. 01:12:31.020 --> 01:12:31.860 - Vote for Kerry. 01:12:31.860 --> 01:12:32.980 - Oh, come on, do it like a 01:12:32.980 --> 01:12:33.940 whole sentence. 01:12:33.940 --> 01:12:35.500 It'll sound good. 01:12:35.500 --> 01:12:38.300 - Please vote for Kerry, as if 01:12:38.300 --> 01:12:39.380 the life of your country 01:12:39.380 --> 01:12:40.220 depends on it. 01:12:40.220 --> 01:12:43.460 - That was beautiful. 01:12:43.460 --> 01:12:45.290 - I'm not a professional video 01:12:45.290 --> 01:12:47.220 guy like you are, you know? 01:12:47.220 --> 01:12:49.030 - No, but that's, you know what 01:12:49.030 --> 01:12:49.140 ? 01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:50.400 Both of us have the perfect 01:12:50.400 --> 01:12:51.340 face for radio. 01:12:51.340 --> 01:12:53.020 - Oh yeah. 01:12:53.020 --> 01:12:54.380 (laughing) 01:12:54.380 --> 01:12:55.540 - Hey Dave. 01:12:55.540 --> 01:12:56.380 - Yeah. 01:12:56.380 --> 01:12:57.200 - That was really, that was 01:12:57.200 --> 01:12:57.500 good. 01:12:57.500 --> 01:12:59.820 That was a nice chat. 01:12:59.820 --> 01:13:00.870 - Thanks Adam, it was a 01:13:00.870 --> 01:13:01.980 pleasure as always. 01:13:01.980 --> 01:13:03.390 - So what are we gonna do 01:13:03.390 --> 01:13:04.260 tomorrow? 01:13:04.260 --> 01:13:05.380 Do we have a play date? 01:13:05.380 --> 01:13:08.460 - Tomorrow is what, Friday? 01:13:08.460 --> 01:13:09.300 - Yeah. 01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:10.420 No, I'm going flying tomorrow, 01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:10.940 that's right. 01:13:10.940 --> 01:13:12.860 Fuck it, I'm going flying. 01:13:12.860 --> 01:13:14.400 - Yeah, I made two, that 01:13:14.400 --> 01:13:15.480 depends what the weather's like 01:13:15.480 --> 01:13:15.620 here, 01:13:15.620 --> 01:13:17.660 but anyway, yeah. 01:13:17.660 --> 01:13:20.790 Actually have a lot of work to 01:13:20.790 --> 01:13:21.100 do. 01:13:21.100 --> 01:13:23.670 I get a comment up in less than 01:13:23.670 --> 01:13:24.980 a little over a week, so. 01:13:24.980 --> 01:13:25.820 - Yeah, I hear you. 01:13:25.820 --> 01:13:28.240 Well listen, I'm coming out 01:13:28.240 --> 01:13:29.380 Thursday. 01:13:29.380 --> 01:13:30.500 - A week from today then, huh? 01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:31.800 - That's right, I'm really 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:32.860 excited about it. 01:13:32.860 --> 01:13:34.060 - You too, excellent. 01:13:34.060 --> 01:13:35.620 - Really excited. 01:13:35.620 --> 01:13:37.410 All right, man, so I'm gonna go 01:13:37.410 --> 01:13:38.740 sit with the women. 01:13:38.740 --> 01:13:39.900 - Very good, talk to you later. 01:13:39.900 --> 01:13:42.060 - All right, that's not how we 01:13:42.060 --> 01:13:43.260 end the show. 01:13:43.260 --> 01:13:44.380 - Okay, how do we end it? 01:13:44.380 --> 01:13:45.450 - Let's get the fuck out of 01:13:45.450 --> 01:13:45.900 here. 01:13:45.900 --> 01:13:46.740 - They fuck you. 01:13:46.740 --> 01:13:48.180 - Yeah, all right. 01:13:48.180 --> 01:13:49.540 Take it easy, buddy. 01:13:49.540 --> 01:13:50.380 - All right. 01:13:50.380 --> 01:13:51.220 - Bye Dave. 01:13:51.220 --> 01:13:53.860 ♪ It's trade secrets now ♪ 01:13:53.860 --> 01:13:55.140 ♪ The doobiest clues ♪ 01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:57.070 ♪ Got a piece for you, boy 01:13:57.070 --> 01:13:57.380 ♪ 01:13:57.380 --> 01:13:59.220 - As trade secrets, you can 01:13:59.220 --> 01:14:00.340 send us your comments, 01:14:00.340 --> 01:14:03.960 Dave@scripting.com or Adam@cur 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.340 ry.com. 01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:07.020 I'm probably gonna post this on 01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:08.020 iPod.org, 01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:09.920 'cause I do home for trade 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:10.700 secrets. 01:14:10.700 --> 01:14:11.700 - 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