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Hi everybody, welcome to Trade
Secrets.
Today is Wednesday, October 6th
, 2004.
I'm Adam Curry in Belgium.
Dave Weiner here in Seattle.
And you're sounding mighty fine
, my friend.
Thank you.
Yeah, yeah.
So--
We like it.
Yeah, we like it, man.
We like it very much.
How you doing, Dave?
Pretty good.
Yeah?
Pretty good.
We had a debate last night and
it was kind of,
it was weird, but you know,
interesting times.
I didn't see the debate because
it was,
you know, it was another 3 AM
deal for me here
if I wanted to see it.
And I was actually, I was kind
of hoping you were gonna do
another one of your, you know,
let's listen along to Dave
comment on the debate.
Oh, listen, then you would have
heard was me snoring
'cause it really put me to
sleep.
Really, it was that bad?
It was boring.
It wasn't that it was that bad,
it was just that it wore on you
.
I mean, they were extremely
belligerent and, you know,
and I think that they had pre
pped Edwards basically
that, you know, Chaney's gonna
be this grouchy old dude,
so you have to turn the grouch
iness up yourself.
And so they were both sort of
like,
you know, whining at each other
.
(laughing)
Okay, so--
And it was like, it got old
after a while,
it was like, "Oh, okay, great,
so you guys don't like each
other, I get it."
So no fireworks, no--
Yeah, well, there was actually
more fireworks
than this one than in the
presidential one,
but the presidential one was
sort of like,
you're sitting on the edge of
your chair the whole time.
Yeah, because it's so
presidential.
You know, they're gonna be,
well, they're gonna be some
just great mixes
coming out of that one.
(laughing)
Oh yeah.
There were.
It's so cool.
Did you ever chance to listen
to the source code today yet?
Haven't, no.
Okay, 'cause I found another
one,
I found a great song which was
"Trigger Happy,"
and it's a real song, you know,
well produced and everything.
Another--
Yeah, another--
I'm still, I would lag you by
about,
generally these days by about
24 hours,
so I'm really up on the Peter
Sellers singing,
"She loves you," I got that one
.
Yeah, that was a classic,
actually.
That was, I've heard that one
before,
but it just kind of fell into
my iPod the other day.
Now that wasn't really Peter
Sellers, was it, or?
I know that Peter Sellers did
an album like that.
He also did--
I think that was--
Yeah, I think it was, yeah, he
did "Hard Days Night,"
he did, what was it, does she
loves you,
and she also did, he also did "
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds,"
in the same--
No, no.
Yeah, yeah, I'll look it up
online later.
Are you sure that wasn't
William Shatner, he did--
He did exactly the same, he did
exactly the same, yeah.
He did "Lucy in the Sky with
Diamonds,"
I don't think he did "Hard Days
Night."
(laughing)
Why are we discussing the disc
ography of William Shatner?
(laughing)
Oh man.
Listen, it was really funny,
I heard an interview with
William Shatner,
I think I was like in Tennessee
,
it was on a drive across
country,
and the funny thing about it
was, is that he was serious,
and he's--
He's deadly serious.
William's kinda cool, everybody
's making fun of it,
but he thought he was adding
something to the culture.
Do you know what his big thing
is,
you know what he's really into?
'Cause I know him, I've met him
a couple,
I've interviewed him.
His big thing is horses.
No kidding, really.
Yeah, and he has a web blog,
his daughter keeps a web blog,
BillShatner.com, and it's
current every single day,
and it's about, you know, Bill
's appearances,
Bill's horses, yeah, it's
really good.
How about it?
Sorry?
Have it like a category for his
hair,
does it have a category for his
hair?
Why is it people who are losing
their hair
that are always ragging on
people's hair?
You know, what's up with that?
(laughing)
Listen, we're all losing our
hair.
Yeah, I know.
I'm doing okay.
I know you, I'm doing okay.
(laughing)
All excepting yours, Julie,
that's true.
You were blessed with
incredible hair, I know.
I'm lucky that way, boy.
So.
Well, it reminds me of the time
in 2000,
you and I were walking
somewhere in Greenwich Village,
coming out of some blier's or
whatever,
and you said, you know, all ge
eks like you and me,
and I stopped, I had to look at
, come on, Adam,
you're not a geek.
No, I remember very well.
I think it was sort of like, it
was like, you know,
I don't know, whatever.
No, I remember this.
I remember this, I remember.
And it was, it was such a let
down,
because at that point I was
like,
oh man, I'm hanging with the
real geeks now.
And then all of a sudden it's
like, no,
you can't be a part of our
little team.
It's funny, the grass is always
greener, isn't it?
Yeah.
I mean, like you're a TV star,
you're a TV star.
Somebody needs to tell you that
, you're a TV star.
Everybody now, yeah.
You need to hear that.
You know, video killed the
radio star though, Dave,
you know that, right?
I heard that one, I heard that
one.
So the radio industry is tuning
into podcasts.
They're waking up, sure.
It's really a thing.
Yeah, that NAB prediction that
you made,
well, we saw a newsletter, and
at the top of that newsletter,
I forget which, you leaked to
it, right?
Yeah, it's the radio and
internet newsletter,
that's what it was.
Exactly, and at the top of the
thing,
he says, if you're gonna be at
the NAB,
in fact, I'm watching CNN right
now,
and they're at the NAB.
At the NAB.
First Limbaugh is giving a
speech.
Yeah.
Hey, y'all wanna buy some pills
for me?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I would
actually.
(laughing)
Oh, Patricia has some great
pills.
I tell you this, Patricia has
some great pills.
Yeah, actually, that's what
they're talking about,
Adam, they're talking about.
Exactly that.
Yeah, Patricia has some great
pills that she's gonna try.
Medical records, what?
Record seizure did not affect
Limbaugh's privacy.
Wow, wonderful.
What did they say?
He's going to hang out with
Martha Stewart.
(laughing)
Play some golf with Martha.
(laughing)
I was gonna say, Patricia has
some great pills
for all the heart trouble,
and I gotta find out what the
name is,
but she says, you take one of
those,
and if you have any anxiety,
just remove the anxiety, it's
wonderful.
That's gotta be Xanax.
Xanax, that's it, Xanax, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, oh well.
Yeah, you could tell when they
gave Bill Clinton the Xanax,
so he was in there pretty.
He got real mellow.
Back-up surgery.
Yeah, he wasn't worried about
anything.
He stopped calling Larry King
at that point.
(laughing)
He sort of let it all go.
Exactly, exactly.
Gary Bush, what's the
difference?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Okay, so.
So is this lag, and I hear an
echo?
There's an echo, and I hear a
lag,
so it's like, this is choppy
today.
Really?
Okay, I don't have an echo.
You're coming through fine,
but what we really wanted to
try and set up,
which I would have loved,
is to have you record your
voice locally on MP3,
and then just send me the file,
and I wanted to sync them up,
but couldn't get that to work.
I hate that, I hate that.
No, that's the story of my life
.
That's the story of my life,
Adam.
We couldn't get it to work.
Couldn't get it to work?
We couldn't hook up.
That's what it's gonna, that's
my epitaph.
It's gonna save that on my tomb
stone.
He couldn't get it to work.
(laughing)
It didn't work.
(laughing)
It didn't work.
(laughing)
No, that's great.
Yeah, well, yeah.
So I heard you a bit about--
At least you could have a good
laugh about it.
Yeah, I heard you a bit about
security
on the morning coffee nose.
By the way, good morning coffee
nose.
Your best ones are done at late
at night, I think.
It was--
Yeah, isn't that funny how that
works?
Yeah, no, it was good,
but the whole bit about privacy
,
and it was just, I played a bit
on the source code,
'cause it was, you know,
the stuff you don't think about
,
you get so easy with your data,
and you forget about it.
You forget what's going on,
and shit starts to happen.
Not me.
I'm doing all my banking on the
internet now,
and I don't even know if I
wanna say that
on a podcast.
Don't worry, we're not gonna
tell anyone else.
But yeah, sure.
But the security is appalling
on these machines, you know?
And--
How does your bank do security?
I just got an email.
Huh!
(laughing)
I laugh, I mean.
Yeah.
You know, it's got so many
holes in it, it's ridiculous.
And then today is really funny.
After recording that piece,
I got a spam that somehow rout
ed itself
to my friend's mailbox, so I
actually saw it.
And they were offering me 10
free Visa Mastercard numbers
if I joined this site.
In other words, this was a,
yeah,
they said, "No, you can have 10
for free,
"and then you'd have to pay
after that."
You know, it's sort of like, oh
, cool.
Oh, don't worry, I think I can
withdraw enough
to pay for that.
Yeah, right.
So the next thing is gonna be
body parts.
Yeah.
Well, I do online banking,
and my bank has a card reader.
You put your bank card in, it
gives you a challenge string,
which is kind of the way I'm
used to doing it
from the old Unix days.
And then you type that
challenge string in,
and then you're in.
So there's a separate
authentication process
step in the middle.
You don't have that with your
bank?
No, none of that.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
No.
That doesn't sound good.
I mean, I've tried to put rules
on the other end
where I've said to them, if
there's anything other
than this exact amount transfer
,
I mean, I've got two accounts,
right?
One is where, you know, is a
brokerage account
where I keep most of my money,
right?
And then the other one is my
checking account
where I write checks from, you
know?
And so that's, again, and you
know, I transfer money
from the brokerage account into
the regular account
on a fairly, you know, regular
basis.
And I've tried to tell them at
the brokerage account,
never accept a transaction for
anything other
than this exact amount.
Right.
And if it's anything, just
reject it.
Well, I tested it.
Yeah, it doesn't work, does it?
No.
They're perfectly happy to
transfer whatever amount I have
.
But you know, you just leave
your money
in your investment account, and
it'll dwindle all by itself.
You don't have to do anything.
Well, no, I haven't invested.
Are you kidding?
What do you mean it'll dwindle?
I'm doing really well.
Really?
Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah, I'm making shit
loads of money.
I mean, I mean, I have also
lost shit loads of money.
I mean, it all kind of evens
out in the end.
But actually, net net, I'm
making money.
This year, actually, it's been
really good.
Yeah, I haven't been in the
market for three years.
Really?
So what do you do?
You just keep it under your
pillow or something?
I'm sitting on it right now.
Really?
You just keep it in your ass.
OK, that's cool.
Right there with the steel rod,
right?
It's a real tight wad, man.
So that was good, that bit you
did.
I mean, I can see the whole iP
od,
our thing is developing really,
really nicely now.
The directory looks great.
I have to link to the directory
today so everybody
can see what the other side is.
I was thinking.
I wanted it to look better.
Maybe I should ask-- give Brian
Bell an assignment
to come up with a nice theme.
This looks so--
You know?
Well, that would be cool.
Brian's time is hard to come by
.
But of course, his work is
absolutely the best.
Yeah, I love what he does.
But he does it commercially,
right?
He does themes.
He does those for a living or
doesn't do that anymore?
I thought he did that.
I didn't.
Well, I don't want to--
I can't speak for Brian.
I mean, basically, I don't know
.
He did the white on our injects
and L button
that has become so ubiquitous.
Yeah, that's cool.
I said to him, Brian, give me
something.
Give me something that'll
represent my RFS feed.
Right.
And then he asked us some basic
parameters.
And I gave them to him.
And being nuts, it came back.
And now it's the standard that
everybody's fucking with.
Yeah, from Apple to--
You name it.
Oh, Apple.
Well, yeah, Apple's fucking
with it.
Yeah, they changed the colors.
You know, they changed the
colors.
Yeah, fuck that shit.
Right.
So I was talking with the
Microsoft guys
the other night.
And they were asking me, what's
going on with Google and Yahoo
and the rest of those guys?
And I said, it's really funny.
But the techies are the ones
that basically--
Zigg when I asked them the zag.
But the publishing industry
goes straight down
the middle of the road.
They don't innovate.
They don't-- they just
basically are being really
compatible.
And I said, Microsoft's been
one of the biggest supporters
of this.
And Apple has too.
I mean, Apple's RSS has been
exemplary.
It's been really cool.
Azure has Microsoft.
And so he asked about that.
I said, don't you change.
Don't even think about change.
But it's funny how that works
out.
I mean, engineers just--
whatever reason-- you know, the
big picture is, hey,
we'd all be a lot better off if
we did this sit the same way
and that we competed on the
basis of the quality of our
service
and our innovation in other
areas.
But somehow that big picture--
it's a shortcut they can use.
And so you end up with Google
offering
Adam feeds for Gmail, but not R
SS feeds.
Interesting that Evan left, huh
?
Yeah.
And you know what?
After the left, he signed up
for BligerCon.
So maybe there's some for the
world.
I mean, I still try to figure
out what the hell happened
there.
Why all of a sudden do they
become so hostile to RSS at
Google?
And what's the upside?
Why?
What do they get for being such
jerks about this stuff?
And I don't know.
I mean, I have a new rule, by
the way,
that every time I mention the
name Google,
I have to put $100 in a jar
somewhere.
Oh, boy.
It's a joke, Adam.
That's a joke.
Well, no, I was going to send
you my paper.
Just drop it in my tip jar
there, Dave.
No problem.
We'll accept it.
Oh, cool.
We'll accept it from you.
Actually, it reminds me of
money.
We're going to have to start
raising money for BligerCon
pretty soon.
Yeah, you're going to do a
PayPal thing for that?
I am.
And I just was working on in
the last hour an RSVP page
where people who aren't going
to be able to make it
will be able to say, hey, I'm
not
going to be able to make it so
that we can make room for
people
who are going to be able to
make it and really want to come
.
And we're going to juggle
things.
I think we actually will put
something
opposite the podcasting session
now.
Because the question is, will
more than 160 people
show up at that time?
And the answer is, yeah, there
probably
will be more than 160 people.
And rather than having them
standing out in the hall
making a lot of trouble, let's
give them something to do.
Is how many people can sit in a
room for a session?
Well, I have on the grid, which
is at www.bligercon.org/iii/sch
edule.
If you look at that, in the
left-hand margin,
the rooms are listed and the
capacities are also listed.
So I'll bring these up and I'll
answer your question.
I'm not going to fire up any
browsers.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Well, I guess I'm firing up the
browsers.
You were talking about-- just
going back a second,
you were talking about how we
should have all this stuff work
the same.
And it hit me last night.
I saw that someone had made a
podcast icon
that you could attach your RSS
feed to,
so just like an XML icon, which
is, of course,
a really good idea.
But then we bumped into the
holy grail of web logs
where we can't have one uniform
podcast icon
if we're expecting it to auto-s
ubscribe
since we have 15 different iPod
or engines out there.
And that's going to be my next
call to the community,
the iPod or development
community,
is can we come up with a
standardized subscription
mechanism so we can actually
have a podcast icon?
You know, that's the same
problem that RSS has.
And I'm getting the echoes
really bad right now, so--
Oh, really?
Yeah, so-- and there is a
solution to that problem.
So that's kind of what I wanted
to say is, you know,
it's like if you come up with a
solution, great.
If you don't, we will have them
to offer soon, I think.
Right.
There is a way to solve that
problem.
I think it's with a centralized
service
and a little bit of user
preferences.
A centralized service for the
subscriptions, you mean?
Yeah, to do the translation so
that you tell it--
in this case, the iPod is an
aggregator, right?
And you tell it what aggregator
you're using.
The reason is if you try to set
a standard on the desktop
for what these guys do, then
you won't
be able to run more than one.
Exactly.
So they kind of all have to do
it differently.
I mean, you should--
you know, it sounds stupid to
have two iPoders,
but let's say you want to try
another one out.
But in the meantime, you have
to keep listening to the things
you subscribe to.
Right.
Well, you're not going to want
to throw the old one off
until you're actually sure that
the new one works.
So they're right there.
You kind of need to have them
not collide with each other
and not all do it the same way.
On the other hand, I kind of
wonder
why you even need to do that.
Because an iPod or a podcast
feed is just an RSS 2.0 feed.
Oh, yeah.
Why not use exactly the same
mechanism?
Right.
But that's what I'm-- yeah.
OK.
The same mechanism.
Right.
I'd like to use the same
mechanism,
but there's a back end that's
not baked into the iPoders yet.
Right.
They don't have a--
right.
They don't have a web server
running and all that stuff.
Yeah.
Since they're not web servers,
that's probably not
going to be that easy to do.
No, exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
And although, on the other hand
, you're right.
Everyone's pretty much--
anyone who's used an aggregator
by now, I think, knows, OK,
there is going to be some copy/
paste involved.
And it's not a big deal.
But iPoders is all about
simplicity, right?
Right.
And you're doing really good
work there,
making it really simple.
But your previous statement is
just right on there.
There's nothing we can do.
Other than if we own the
browser at them,
then there would be a lot we
could do.
But we don't own the browser.
So we're basically fucked.
Yaw.
Yeah.
So the directory, I think-- let
's talk about that for a
minute.
On the iPod or not, we're sure.
I think what's going to--
yeah.
I mean, the redirect is
happening right now.
So the site, it will look a lot
better for everybody,
although very much like it
looked.
You know, there's a very smooth
transition here.
It's just going to get better.
And sort of things, bugs were
fixed, and things look better.
But maybe it even performs a
bit better, because it's not
running on an overburden server
anymore.
But then what are the next
steps?
It occurred to me that--
then you've got a phenomenal
directory there.
And I think that we ought to
develop that.
And however--
We just go with categories, you
mean?
Well, what other people
contribute to it?
One of the nice things about O
PML-- which, by the way, that
is an OPML directory you're
working on--
is that you can include other O
PML directories in your
directory.
So if you wanted to delegate
some part of that to some
other author who wanted to
maintain a piece of that
directory, all they would have
to do is produce an OPML
document.
And then make sure that's on
the public web so that the
server software can access it.
And then whenever they update
it within an hour, our server
will pick up those updates.
Oh, yeah, right.
I remember how that works, yeah
.
It's a way to sort of branch
out, cover it.
Yeah.
It's a good time to use it.
I mean, it would be nice to see
that OPML gets well used in
this context, where there was a
lot of fighting over and a
lot of sort of good things when
it came to our creators.
Like people that would output
things but change the names of
things.
And you'd ask them, why did you
change the name of that?
Oh, I just didn't like the name
that you used.
And I'd go, come on.
Why do you do that?
So the hope here is that we can
bootstrap something that is
because podcasting should be
very broad.
It should cover basically every
human activity.
So the directories should be
very broad, too.
Right, right.
OK, yeah, that's good.
So indeed, I remember now how
that worked.
If you just need to produce an
OPML document and send a URL,
and then I just hook a node
into that URL, right?
And then it's seamless.
And then when you click on that
, even though it's being
sucked in from somewhere else
or cached or whatever, then
is it cached or is it a live
update?
It's cached.
It's cached for up to an hour.
Where after an hour, it throws
out the cache and rereads it.
That's how you do the updates.
And the suggest a link feature,
when somebody's browsing the
part of the directory that
someone else authored, the
suggestions go to that person.
They get the full--
Oh, OK, so if someone else-- oh
, right.
So it won't come to me.
It'll go to the person who's
maintaining that particular
node or the directory.
Because of course, that would
be-- yeah.
Oh, right.
And I also want to-- and this
probably will have to wait
until after BloggerCon, because
it's going to keep me
pretty busy.
But I also want to make it so
that basically if somebody
suggests a link to you and you
want to use it, that it
should just be a one-step
operation.
You should just basically--
Click.
--click on a link and say it
that says yes.
Yeah, right.
There you go.
And not have to go edit
anything.
And also stuff that--
And shorten that process.
Yeah, also stuff that I was
thinking as I was using the
directory myself.
So in the suggest a link, it
actually gives you a space.
And people are using that.
Why this link should be in the
directory.
But right now, we're just
linking to the RSS feeds.
It might be-- is there a way to
do it so you can also go to
the website?
Well, that would require
customization of the directory
code.
It was never designed for that
purpose.
But I'm totally into doing that
, that kind of
customization.
But that has to--
well, we'll see what happens.
Oh, wait a minute.
Maybe I could just add the--
if I just add the link, if I
add the HTML link code to the
node, that would work, wouldn't
it?
You can do that.
Yeah, it would work.
It's less than optimal.
I mean, you kind of want to
have more of a database
behind there.
And we can do that.
But it's not going to be
something I can do right away.
I hate it when people say that.
Oh, that's a disappointing day.
If you've just totally blown my
entire day now.
I know.
You're too busy.
Well, something happened.
I'll tell you, we were at this
Microsoft thing.
It's for two days.
And there were about 30 blog
gers in the room.
And there were about 30
Microsoft people.
And of course, they didn't do
it in an
unconference format.
They had the Microsoft people
who were in front of the room.
And we were the audience.
But there was a point when we
just sort of broke out of
that mold and just started
screaming at them.
But it was funny.
Yeah, it was really something.
And they tried to get hold of
it.
And I said, don't do that.
Don't do that.
I mean, this is welcome to the
blogosphere.
It's a lot of people yelling at
each other.
But we actually get shit done
this way.
Now I forgot why.
Oh, right.
So it's like the poor Microsoft
people.
Because we were telling them,
hey, we want this.
We want that.
We want this.
Do this, do this, do this.
Well, OK.
So then they kept saying, well,
thanks for the feedback.
Oh, thanks.
Oh, hey, we appreciate your
work.
Thanks for your input.
It's really valuable that you
guys were here today.
Exactly.
We'll put that on the list for
the things we do after we do
everything else.
That's the way we want to do it
.
That's kind of the way we heard
it.
And then, so of course, we took
this one guy during one of
the breaks.
He came to talk with a couple
of us, and me and Chris
Perillo.
And we just beat the crap out
of him.
We got a lot of success.
No, no, no.
You just got to do it.
Stop making excuses.
It's really easy.
It'll take you half a day to do
it.
If you tell me you have to take
six months, I know you're
bullsitting us.
And the poor guy, his gears
were stripped.
But he came back after the
break, and he said he had gone
to visit with the program
manager, and he got it on
schedule for two weeks from now
.
And so we all stood up and gave
him a standing ovation.
Standing ovation.
And he was glowing for the
whole rest of the time.
And I said, that's what we got
to do.
We got to do more of this kind
of stuff where we don't have
to beat you up to do something
really simple that makes it
possible for us to take your
work and use it in 50 billion
different ways.
That takes the burden of
innovation off of the EU.
So of course, what I'm doing
now is I'm saying, well, I'll
do this after I do everything
else I have to do.
It's all about Microsoft magic
rubbing off on you, man.
That's what it is.
Death Star Pixie Dust.
Yeah.
Well, we'll get to it.
No, I want this to be my top
priority.
And frankly, that's kind of
been the problem, is that it
has been.
And that's why BloggerCon has
sort of suffered a little bit,
because here we are in podcast-
fill, and everything's
going great.
Definitely is.
This is actually one of our
quality-wise-- this is really
good.
I'm using a little different
setup today, and I'm pretty
happy with it.
And how is that?
What is the different setup?
Well, you heard about the Engad
get guys, right?
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
So they spent hours and hours
trying to figure out how to
do this.
And they were using all the
same bits that I'd been using,
that Hugo Schottman had been
using.
But there was one additional
thing called Soundflower Bed,
which is just--
basically, the only thing that
--
I could get everything working
the way it is now, except
then when I talked, I would
hear myself with a second
delay, which makes it
impossible to talk if you have
that on the headphones.
And so this Soundflower Bed
basically lets you listen to
the audio before it's routed to
a different place.
So I had the general setup
already figured out, but now
they've figured out how to--
or they pointed me to this
thing that lets me monitor it
in the right way.
So it's good.
And it's working.
Knock on wood.
Wait.
Stand on some guard like as
usual, Dave.
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
So what do you think about
privacy?
Do you think we ought to have
it?
Do you think we ought to depend
on Microsoft for passport?
Well, it's funny because as
liberal and as--
let me turn that off-- as
liberal as the Netherlands is
when it comes to a whole bunch
of things that we can do that
you can't do anywhere else,
particularly in the United
States, the one thing that
really freaks me out is that
they have--
they, the big they, the man,
have the power, for any
reason whatsoever, to tap your
phone line.
And I've heard statistics that
are doing 50,000 phone
taps a month.
Wow.
And it's that kind of stuff
that really freaks me out.
When it comes to the internet,
I don't know how good the
monitoring systems are and all
that.
But I know that if someone
wants to get your shit, if
someone wants to get into your
accounts or anything, right
now there is--
as far as I know, there's no
real protection.
I like what my bank does with a
challenge string on a card
and all that because I think
that's reasonably secure.
But I don't know anything about
their system.
I don't know what kind of back
ends or holes they might have.
But yeah, of course it's
important.
It's really important for a
number of reasons.
You're seeing with this phone
tap shit that's going on here
that people are being--
it's like Razia's.
It's like breaking down people
's door in the middle of
the night.
We know you're a terrorist.
And we heard you mentioned
these things.
You talk about a big game.
We know what the code word "big
game" stands for.
And it turns out it's a
perfectly nice Moroccan
family.
It has nothing to do with
anything.
So everyone was lucky that time
.
So it's real important that you
have privacy and that
there are certain rules that
have to be followed in
prosecution of breaking those
rules.
So let's see in switching gears
a little bit.
What is the European view of
the US presidential election?
Do you hear from people talking
about that?
Or what do they think?
On the presidential debate,
first of all--
because that's kind of been
dominating the news
everywhere--
everything I read in Europe,
including the UK, did not
come out the winner of that
debate.
And everybody here in the press
as well--
it is common knowledge that
there's a war being fought
where Osama bin Laden is not.
And that is pointed out
continuously.
So that's pretty good.
But that's about it.
So are we totally fucked if we
re-elect this here?
Well, from a European
perspective?
Yeah, or whatever, from the
Adam Curry perspective.
Definitely.
Cool.
I've gotten into the--
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
I've totally gotten into the
vibe of the big conspiracy.
And it's there.
I believe it.
Hey, wait, wait, something just
came over.
You guys check this out.
They announced Howard Stern
will move to satellite radio
in 2006.
Really?
So he's off commercial now.
Yeah, they had a little
interview with him there.
Well, that's going to be a huge
, huge boost for XM.
That's going to be big for
those guys.
Maybe we can get him to do a
podcast.
And the Engadja guys were
talking about that.
And I played a clip on the
source code.
This would be perfect for him.
Leave the commercials in.
No problem.
We'll listen to the commercials
.
It's just like radio that he's
used to,
except he doesn't have to go
clear all these frigging
markets.
And he can finally do it unc
ensored, which I think
is what he wants anyway.
Yeah, that would be great.
Because he won't be able to do
it uncensored on XM radio.
I think they have some
regulations we have to find out
.
But I don't think he can go
totally uncensored there.
Interesting.
So you know that Bush didn't
like the way
he did in the debate either.
And so tonight he's giving an
address to the nation
where he's going to try to do
it again,
except this time the innovation
is no John Kerry.
Wait a minute.
So he can talk to him.
Is everyone going to take that
up?
That's fucked up.
That's not equal air time.
It is totally.
It's like breaking the rules.
Yeah.
It's going to backfire on him.
I mean, basically there's a
certain sense of fair play
that we're in the period where,
unless there's something
really dramatic happens, that
Bush
is a candidate for president
who happens to be the White
House.
And he gets a lot of advantages
, like Cheney said last night
that Bush in Iowa signing some
bill that gives money
to people.
And I don't think it was a
coincidence
that it gives money to people
who he needs votes from.
Joc.
It's not-- it's the one time
that he's not giving money
to his CEO, Fat Cat friends.
And he's giving it to middle
class people in Iowa.
Right?
Oh, well, maybe he had
something to do with the fact
that he wants to win Iowa.
No, really.
You don't say.
No.
Couldn't possibly be.
I mean, of course it couldn't
be.
I mean, but then he's going on
TV.
And it hasn't been a big stink
about it yet.
But--
But the rules are equal air
time.
And I mean, he's going to
address the nation.
But--
No.
Oh, no.
I don't think so.
No, no, no, no.
When Bush went on to talk about
--
there is equal air time for
things
that are institutional, like
the state of the union address.
There is equal air time.
Not equal, actually.
But they get a chance to give
their point of view.
When I signed my--
Right.
You know the rule, though.
When I signed my license, my
radio operator's license,
very specifically stated the
equal air time rule.
And it doesn't matter when or
in--
see, the state of a union
address is something very
defined.
But as far as I understood the
rules,
if I let a Democratic person A
on the show for five minutes,
I have to give five minutes to
an opposing party.
That's the rules that I always
learned.
Well, it was a radio broadcast
license.
But it's the same thing, I
believe.
I think there's a difference
when the president goes on TV
to address the nation.
I mean, that's string of words.
You know, that--
Yeah.
I don't know.
Well, it depends on what he's
going to--
if he talks about all the same
issues as the debate, which
was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq,
Iraq, and he says the same--
No, he can say that there's an
emergency.
He can say, oh, it's an
emergency.
I have to talk to the people.
Right.
I understand what you're saying
.
I'm not a Republican or a
Democrat.
I'm the president of the United
States.
And bring the camera in the O
val Office,
and we've got to have a talk
here.
Well, it better be really good
then.
If he's going to waste my time
and interrupt my prime time
television programming, it
better be damn good.
Oh, you know it's going to be
good.
I mean, he is extremely colleg
ial, genial,
avuncular, friendly, white-s
mooth, whatever her name
is, Laura Bush.
I'm sorry.
He's the husband of Laura Bush.
He opened his speech.
He was on TV just before this
thing started.
And he opens it up and says,
yeah,
I know you guys would rather
hear from Laura.
And they all go crazy.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
We'd love to hear from Laura
White.
And then so you think, well,
why doesn't he just go up
and spate her already?
I mean, jeez.
He could be the first--
maybe she could be the
president,
or he could be the pope.
Oh, I was just--
I'm going to see if I can find
this.
I have something that I want to
play.
It would be so cool.
Oh, I bet you I don't have it.
Oh, man.
Have you ever heard the first
black president?
Have you ever heard that?
That song?
No, I don't think so.
Who does it?
Curtis Blow.
Let me see.
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
I'll have to get that one next
time.
Shoot.
That would have been perfect
for this.
You want to play a song?
I'm sure you-- let me guess
what you want to hear.
Want to play some pranks?
I'd rather be the president.
No, you could be the president.
I'd rather be the pope.
You could be the pope.
And then I'd love to hear right
after that--
I would just love to hear that
butt-gusting,
stream of nonsense from George
Bush of the first debate
if you haven't had that around.
Wow.
Damn.
Now you go ask me for that, eh?
Hold on.
Let me see if I can find that.
That I could probably play.
Hold on.
Let me see.
No, I--
The calm-scrippling news.
I mean--
Oh, yeah.
Hold on a second.
Man.
Hey, you got to warn people
about that one, though.
If you haven't heard it, OK?
You got to put down your coffee
cup.
You got to, like, basically get
yourself into a place
where there are any sharp
objects around.
You have to be near a toilet
because you just never
know what's going to happen.
That's a loaded question.
First of all, I admire Senator
Kerry's service
to our country.
I admire the fact that he is a
great dad.
We're facing a--
Let me finish.
And so the answer to your
question is, no doubt about it,
it's tough.
It's hard work.
It's incredibly hard.
And let me-- I just know how
this world works.
There's a lot of good people
working hard.
And we're making progress there
.
Never-- when I was running,
when we had the debate in 2000,
never dreamt I'd be doing that.
And we've been effective.
[SIDE CONVERSATION]
And I believe that in terms of
D'Aufour,
to-- prior to D'Aufour,
secondly, we've set up what's
called the-- well, first of all
, I agree with my opponent
that it's hard work.
Everybody knows it's hard work.
But by speaking clearly, it'll
mean it's less likely we
have to use force.
That wasn't a popular move.
And it's hard work.
And I made some tough decisions
.
So you say was it worth it?
It wasn't--
Yeah, I understand what it
means to be the commander-chief
.
We're making progress.
It is hard work.
Of course, I know Osama bin
Laden attacked us.
I know that.
Of course, we're after Saddam
Hussein.
I mean, bin Laden.
Let me say it.
I certainly hope so.
Before I-- to-- more of the--
and it is--
one of the things I've learned
in the White House
is that there's enormous
pressure on the president.
And you cannot wilt under that
pressure otherwise.
I just think, how can I follow
this guy?
I think that by speaking
clearly, let me--
you know, my hardest--
the hardest part of the job is
something
as fundamental as what you
believe in your core
and your heart of hearts is
right for-- in Iraq.
You cannot lead if you send
mixed messages.
You know, it's hard work to try
to--
I know what I said was that
democracy will best--
I believe that we've done a lot
of hard work together
over the last three and a half
years.
You know, we have to be right
100% of the time.
It's-- and it's hard work.
That's not going to happen so
long as I'm your president.
Oh, I'm a pretty calm guy.
I don't take it personally.
I understand that we must--
let me tell you one thing.
Actually, we've increased
funding for dealing
with nuclear proliferation.
Let me-- first, of course, we
've done everything
we can to protect America.
I wake up every day thinking
about how best to protect
America.
That's my job.
There's a lot of really good
people working hard to do so.
It's hard work for so long as I
'm the president.
Sometimes you feel like a nut.
Sometimes you don't.
[MUSIC - "CALL IT"]
Call it, call my name.
I heard your voice this morning
.
Call it now, my name.
It'd been so long since I've
heard that it didn't really
sound quite the same, no.
But it let me know that my name
had never really
been spoken before.
Before the day I carried you to
the bridal path, though.
It never says the day I haven't
wanted anyone but you.
And anybody who really knows me
knows the truth.
I just can't stop writing songs
about you.
I love you so much.
I just can't wait to get my
arms around you.
Maybe you'll touch it.
If I don't see you real soon,
baby girl, I might go insane.
No, it's only been three hours,
but another when
you call my name.
Yes, I do.
I heard a voice on the news
saying people
want to stop the war.
Stop the war.
If they had love as sweet as
you,
they'd forget what they were
fighting for.
What's the matter with the
world today?
Land of the free, somebody lie.
They can blow my phone and
people round my home.
They'll only see you and me
naked, lying inside.
I just can't stop writing songs
about you.
I love you so much.
I just can't wait to get my
arms around you.
Maybe you'll touch it.
If I don't see you real soon,
baby girl, I might go insane.
Oh, crazy.
I know it's only been three
hours, but another when
you call my name.
Never seen the moon look so
lovely as the night I saw you.
Let me know I'd never seen the
moon before.
Never seen the moon before.
So many speak of the moon as
though it had no flaws.
But to compare it to a beauty
like yours, what you want to
fall.
Nothing about you is false.
That's why your love is real.
God forbid, if you belong to
another, I'd have to stay here.
I might be tempted to break the
law.
Because your beauty gives it
one point.
It slows me down in time.
Just can't stop writing songs
about you.
I love you so much.
I just can't wait to get my
arms around you.
Maybe you'll touch it.
If I don't see you real soon,
baby girl, I might go insane.
Crazy.
No one's soul has been three
hours, but another when you
call my name.
Honey, what you call?
Call, call my name.
That's right.
And I love you.
So I don't know where we got
cut off, but my closing, I was
ready to sort of move on.
Except I was said that's why
everyone's so excited about the
podcasting thing is because
it's almost like a mathematical
thing is that for blogging to
really achieve its destiny,
it's got to have this element
to it too.
It's got to reach into the car
stereo and into, you know, when
you're away from your computer,
but you want that.
What was the guy from CBC who
pointed to him today and said
the reason why radio is so cool
is because it taps into your
imagination.
Exactly. Theater of the mind is
what we call it.
So true. Exactly.
So it feels good because this
is one of the checkboxes we
need to fill in.
We need to know how to do this
and we need to have a
distribution system for this
kind of expression.
So it's cool.
I think we'll pass the leading.
I think we'll have more flow
for the blogs than any
professional medium very soon.
Excellent. You know more than
we do, Dave. That's for sure.
Well, I don't know about that.
It's just to sort of like put
my finger in the wind and, you
know, wind it up a little bit
and see what it feels like.
Well, that's what you guys do
in Seattle in Holland.
We just put our finger in the
dike. You know, that's my job.
There you go.
So let's hear the theme song
now.
Let's get the fuck out of here.
All right, Dave, we'll talk to
you soon, buddy.
See you soon. Bye-bye.
[Music]