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 Hi everybody, welcome to Trade

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 Secrets.

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 Today is Wednesday, October 6th

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, 2004.

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 I'm Adam Curry in Belgium.

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 Dave Weiner here in Seattle.

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 And you're sounding mighty fine

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, my friend.

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 Thank you.

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 Yeah, yeah.

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 So--

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 We like it.

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 Yeah, we like it, man.

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 We like it very much.

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 How you doing, Dave?

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 Pretty good.

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 Yeah?

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 Pretty good.

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 We had a debate last night and

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 it was kind of,

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 it was weird, but you know,

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 interesting times.

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 I didn't see the debate because

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 it was,

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 you know, it was another 3 AM

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 deal for me here

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 if I wanted to see it.

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 And I was actually, I was kind

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 of hoping you were gonna do

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 another one of your, you know,

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 let's listen along to Dave

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 comment on the debate.

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 Oh, listen, then you would have

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 heard was me snoring

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 'cause it really put me to

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 sleep.

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 Really, it was that bad?

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 It was boring.

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 It wasn't that it was that bad,

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 it was just that it wore on you

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.

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 I mean, they were extremely

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 belligerent and, you know,

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 and I think that they had pre

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pped Edwards basically

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 that, you know, Chaney's gonna

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 be this grouchy old dude,

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 so you have to turn the grouch

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iness up yourself.

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 And so they were both sort of

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 like,

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 you know, whining at each other

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.

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 (laughing)

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 Okay, so--

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 And it was like, it got old

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 after a while,

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 it was like, "Oh, okay, great,

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 so you guys don't like each

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 other, I get it."

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 So no fireworks, no--

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 Yeah, well, there was actually

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 more fireworks

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 than this one than in the

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 presidential one,

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 but the presidential one was

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 sort of like,

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 you're sitting on the edge of

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 your chair the whole time.

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 Yeah, because it's so

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 presidential.

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 You know, they're gonna be,

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 well, they're gonna be some

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 just great mixes

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 coming out of that one.

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 (laughing)

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 Oh yeah.

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 Oh yeah.

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 There were.

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 It's so cool.

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 Did you ever chance to listen

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 to the source code today yet?

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 Haven't, no.

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 Okay, 'cause I found another

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 one,

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 I found a great song which was

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 "Trigger Happy,"

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 and it's a real song, you know,

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 well produced and everything.

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 Another--

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 Yeah, another--

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 I'm still, I would lag you by

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 about,

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 generally these days by about

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 24 hours,

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 so I'm really up on the Peter

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 Sellers singing,

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 "She loves you," I got that one

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.

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 Yeah, that was a classic,

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 actually.

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 That was, I've heard that one

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 before,

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 but it just kind of fell into

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 my iPod the other day.

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 Now that wasn't really Peter

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 Sellers, was it, or?

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 I know that Peter Sellers did

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 an album like that.

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 He also did--

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 I think that was--

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 Yeah, I think it was, yeah, he

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 did "Hard Days Night,"

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 he did, what was it, does she

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 loves you,

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 and she also did, he also did "

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Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds,"

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 in the same--

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 No, no.

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 Yeah, yeah, I'll look it up

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 online later.

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 Are you sure that wasn't

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 William Shatner, he did--

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 He did exactly the same, he did

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 exactly the same, yeah.

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 He did "Lucy in the Sky with

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 Diamonds,"

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 I don't think he did "Hard Days

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 Night."

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 (laughing)

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 Why are we discussing the disc

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ography of William Shatner?

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 (laughing)

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 Oh man.

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 Listen, it was really funny,

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 I heard an interview with

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 William Shatner,

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 I think I was like in Tennessee

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,

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 it was on a drive across

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 country,

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 and the funny thing about it

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 was, is that he was serious,

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 and he's--

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 He's deadly serious.

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 William's kinda cool, everybody

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's making fun of it,

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 but he thought he was adding

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 something to the culture.

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 Do you know what his big thing

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 is,

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 you know what he's really into?

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 'Cause I know him, I've met him

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 a couple,

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 I've interviewed him.

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 His big thing is horses.

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 No kidding, really.

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 Yeah, and he has a web blog,

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 his daughter keeps a web blog,

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 BillShatner.com, and it's

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 current every single day,

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 and it's about, you know, Bill

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's appearances,

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 Bill's horses, yeah, it's

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 really good.

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 How about it?

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 Sorry?

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 Have it like a category for his

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 hair,

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 does it have a category for his

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 hair?

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 Why is it people who are losing

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 their hair

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 that are always ragging on

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 people's hair?

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 You know, what's up with that?

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 (laughing)

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 Listen, we're all losing our

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 hair.

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 Yeah, I know.

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 I'm doing okay.

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 I know you, I'm doing okay.

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 (laughing)

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 All excepting yours, Julie,

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 that's true.

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 You were blessed with

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 incredible hair, I know.

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 I'm lucky that way, boy.

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 So.

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 Well, it reminds me of the time

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 in 2000,

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 you and I were walking

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 somewhere in Greenwich Village,

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 coming out of some blier's or

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 whatever,

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 and you said, you know, all ge

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eks like you and me,

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 and I stopped, I had to look at

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, come on, Adam,

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 you're not a geek.

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 No, I remember very well.

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 I think it was sort of like, it

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 was like, you know,

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 I don't know, whatever.

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 No, I remember this.

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 I remember this, I remember.

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 And it was, it was such a let

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 down,

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 because at that point I was

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 like,

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 oh man, I'm hanging with the

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 real geeks now.

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 And then all of a sudden it's

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 like, no,

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 you can't be a part of our

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 little team.

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 It's funny, the grass is always

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 greener, isn't it?

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 Yeah.

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 I mean, like you're a TV star,

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 you're a TV star.

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 Somebody needs to tell you that

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, you're a TV star.

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 Everybody now, yeah.

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 You need to hear that.

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 You know, video killed the

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 radio star though, Dave,

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 you know that, right?

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 I heard that one, I heard that

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 one.

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 So the radio industry is tuning

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 into podcasts.

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 They're waking up, sure.

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 It's really a thing.

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 Yeah, that NAB prediction that

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 you made,

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 well, we saw a newsletter, and

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 at the top of that newsletter,

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 I forget which, you leaked to

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 it, right?

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 Yeah, it's the radio and

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 internet newsletter,

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 that's what it was.

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 Exactly, and at the top of the

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 thing,

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 he says, if you're gonna be at

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 the NAB,

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 in fact, I'm watching CNN right

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 now,

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 and they're at the NAB.

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 At the NAB.

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 First Limbaugh is giving a

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 speech.

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 Yeah.

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 Hey, y'all wanna buy some pills

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 for me?

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 Oh, yeah, yeah, I would

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 actually.

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 (laughing)

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 Oh, Patricia has some great

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 pills.

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 I tell you this, Patricia has

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 some great pills.

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 Yeah, actually, that's what

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 they're talking about,

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 Adam, they're talking about.

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 Exactly that.

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 Yeah, Patricia has some great

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 pills that she's gonna try.

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 Medical records, what?

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 Record seizure did not affect

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 Limbaugh's privacy.

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 Wow, wonderful.

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 What did they say?

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 He's going to hang out with

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 Martha Stewart.

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 (laughing)

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 Play some golf with Martha.

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 (laughing)

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 I was gonna say, Patricia has

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 some great pills

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 for all the heart trouble,

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 and I gotta find out what the

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 name is,

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 but she says, you take one of

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 those,

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 and if you have any anxiety,

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 just remove the anxiety, it's

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 wonderful.

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 That's gotta be Xanax.

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 Xanax, that's it, Xanax, yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah, oh well.

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 Yeah, you could tell when they

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 gave Bill Clinton the Xanax,

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 so he was in there pretty.

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 He got real mellow.

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 Back-up surgery.

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 Yeah, he wasn't worried about

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 anything.

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 He stopped calling Larry King

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 at that point.

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 (laughing)

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 He sort of let it all go.

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 Exactly, exactly.

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 Gary Bush, what's the

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 difference?

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 Yeah.

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 Oh yeah.

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 Okay, so.

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 So is this lag, and I hear an

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 echo?

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 There's an echo, and I hear a

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 lag,

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 so it's like, this is choppy

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 today.

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 Really?

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 Okay, I don't have an echo.

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 You're coming through fine,

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 but what we really wanted to

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 try and set up,

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 which I would have loved,

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 is to have you record your

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 voice locally on MP3,

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 and then just send me the file,

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 and I wanted to sync them up,

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 but couldn't get that to work.

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 I hate that, I hate that.

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 No, that's the story of my life

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.

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 That's the story of my life,

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 Adam.

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 We couldn't get it to work.

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 Couldn't get it to work?

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 We couldn't hook up.

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 That's what it's gonna, that's

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 my epitaph.

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 It's gonna save that on my tomb

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stone.

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 He couldn't get it to work.

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 (laughing)

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 It didn't work.

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 (laughing)

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 It didn't work.

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 (laughing)

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 No, that's great.

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 Yeah, well, yeah.

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 So I heard you a bit about--

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 At least you could have a good

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 laugh about it.

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 Yeah, I heard you a bit about

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 security

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 on the morning coffee nose.

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 By the way, good morning coffee

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 nose.

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 Your best ones are done at late

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 at night, I think.

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 It was--

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 Yeah, isn't that funny how that

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 works?

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 Yeah, no, it was good,

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 but the whole bit about privacy

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,

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 and it was just, I played a bit

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 on the source code,

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 'cause it was, you know,

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 the stuff you don't think about

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,

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 you get so easy with your data,

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 and you forget about it.

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 You forget what's going on,

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 and shit starts to happen.

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 Not me.

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 I'm doing all my banking on the

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 internet now,

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 and I don't even know if I

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 wanna say that

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 on a podcast.

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 Don't worry, we're not gonna

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 tell anyone else.

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 But yeah, sure.

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 But the security is appalling

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 on these machines, you know?

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 And--

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 How does your bank do security?

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 I just got an email.

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 Huh!

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 Huh!

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 (laughing)

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 I laugh, I mean.

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 Yeah.

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 You know, it's got so many

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 holes in it, it's ridiculous.

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 And then today is really funny.

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 After recording that piece,

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 I got a spam that somehow rout

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ed itself

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 to my friend's mailbox, so I

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 actually saw it.

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 And they were offering me 10

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 free Visa Mastercard numbers

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 if I joined this site.

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 In other words, this was a,

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 yeah,

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 they said, "No, you can have 10

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 for free,

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 "and then you'd have to pay

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 after that."

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 You know, it's sort of like, oh

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, cool.

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 Oh, don't worry, I think I can

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 withdraw enough

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 to pay for that.

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 Yeah, right.

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 So the next thing is gonna be

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 body parts.

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 Yeah.

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 Well, I do online banking,

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 and my bank has a card reader.

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 You put your bank card in, it

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 gives you a challenge string,

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 which is kind of the way I'm

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 used to doing it

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 from the old Unix days.

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 And then you type that

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 challenge string in,

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 and then you're in.

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 So there's a separate

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 authentication process

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 step in the middle.

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 You don't have that with your

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 bank?

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 No, none of that.

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 Oh, really?

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 Yeah.

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 No.

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 That doesn't sound good.

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 I mean, I've tried to put rules

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 on the other end

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 where I've said to them, if

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 there's anything other

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 than this exact amount transfer

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,

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 I mean, I've got two accounts,

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 right?

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 One is where, you know, is a

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 brokerage account

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 where I keep most of my money,

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 right?

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 And then the other one is my

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 checking account

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 where I write checks from, you

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 know?

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 And so that's, again, and you

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 know, I transfer money

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 from the brokerage account into

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 the regular account

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 on a fairly, you know, regular

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 basis.

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 And I've tried to tell them at

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 the brokerage account,

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 never accept a transaction for

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 anything other

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 than this exact amount.

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 Right.

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 And if it's anything, just

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 reject it.

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 Well, I tested it.

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 Yeah, it doesn't work, does it?

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 No.

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 They're perfectly happy to

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 transfer whatever amount I have

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.

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 But you know, you just leave

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 your money

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 in your investment account, and

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 it'll dwindle all by itself.

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 You don't have to do anything.

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 Well, no, I haven't invested.

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 Are you kidding?

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 What do you mean it'll dwindle?

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 I'm doing really well.

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 Really?

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 Oh, OK.

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 Yeah, yeah, I'm making shit

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 loads of money.

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 I mean, I mean, I have also

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 lost shit loads of money.

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 I mean, it all kind of evens

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 out in the end.

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 But actually, net net, I'm

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 making money.

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 This year, actually, it's been

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 really good.

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 Yeah, I haven't been in the

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 market for three years.

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 Really?

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 So what do you do?

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 You just keep it under your

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 pillow or something?

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 I'm sitting on it right now.

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 Really?

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 You just keep it in your ass.

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 OK, that's cool.

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 Right there with the steel rod,

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 right?

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 It's a real tight wad, man.

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 So that was good, that bit you

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 did.

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 I mean, I can see the whole iP

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od,

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 our thing is developing really,

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 really nicely now.

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 The directory looks great.

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 I have to link to the directory

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 today so everybody

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 can see what the other side is.

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 I was thinking.

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 I wanted it to look better.

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 Maybe I should ask-- give Brian

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 Bell an assignment

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 to come up with a nice theme.

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 This looks so--

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 You know?

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 Well, that would be cool.

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 Brian's time is hard to come by

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.

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 But of course, his work is

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 absolutely the best.

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 Yeah, I love what he does.

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 But he does it commercially,

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 right?

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 He does themes.

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 He does those for a living or

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 doesn't do that anymore?

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 I thought he did that.

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 I didn't.

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 Well, I don't want to--

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 I can't speak for Brian.

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 I mean, basically, I don't know

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.

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 He did the white on our injects

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 and L button

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 that has become so ubiquitous.

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 Yeah, that's cool.

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 I said to him, Brian, give me

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 something.

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 Give me something that'll

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 represent my RFS feed.

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 Right.

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 And then he asked us some basic

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 parameters.

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 And I gave them to him.

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 And being nuts, it came back.

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 And now it's the standard that

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 everybody's fucking with.

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 Yeah, from Apple to--

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 You name it.

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 Oh, Apple.

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 Well, yeah, Apple's fucking

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 with it.

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 Yeah, they changed the colors.

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 You know, they changed the

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 colors.

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 Yeah, fuck that shit.

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 Right.

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 So I was talking with the

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 Microsoft guys

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 the other night.

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 And they were asking me, what's

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 going on with Google and Yahoo

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 and the rest of those guys?

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 And I said, it's really funny.

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 But the techies are the ones

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 that basically--

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 Zigg when I asked them the zag.

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 But the publishing industry

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 goes straight down

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 the middle of the road.

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 They don't innovate.

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 They don't-- they just

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 basically are being really

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 compatible.

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 And I said, Microsoft's been

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 one of the biggest supporters

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 of this.

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 And Apple has too.

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 I mean, Apple's RSS has been

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 exemplary.

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 It's been really cool.

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 Azure has Microsoft.

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 And so he asked about that.

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 I said, don't you change.

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 Don't even think about change.

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 But it's funny how that works

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 out.

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 I mean, engineers just--

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 whatever reason-- you know, the

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 big picture is, hey,

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 we'd all be a lot better off if

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 we did this sit the same way

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 and that we competed on the

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 basis of the quality of our

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 service

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 and our innovation in other

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 areas.

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 But somehow that big picture--

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 it's a shortcut they can use.

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 And so you end up with Google

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 offering

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 Adam feeds for Gmail, but not R

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SS feeds.

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 Interesting that Evan left, huh

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?

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 Yeah.

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 And you know what?

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 After the left, he signed up

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 for BligerCon.

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 So maybe there's some for the

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 world.

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 I mean, I still try to figure

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 out what the hell happened

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 there.

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 Why all of a sudden do they

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 become so hostile to RSS at

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 Google?

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 And what's the upside?

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 Why?

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 What do they get for being such

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 jerks about this stuff?

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 And I don't know.

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 I mean, I have a new rule, by

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 the way,

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 that every time I mention the

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 name Google,

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 I have to put $100 in a jar

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 somewhere.

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 Oh, boy.

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 It's a joke, Adam.

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 That's a joke.

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 Well, no, I was going to send

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 you my paper.

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 Just drop it in my tip jar

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 there, Dave.

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 No problem.

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 We'll accept it.

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 Oh, cool.

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 We'll accept it from you.

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 Actually, it reminds me of

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 money.

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 We're going to have to start

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 raising money for BligerCon

00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:03.920
 pretty soon.

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 Yeah, you're going to do a

00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:07.320
 PayPal thing for that?

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 I am.

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 And I just was working on in

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 the last hour an RSVP page

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 where people who aren't going

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 to be able to make it

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 will be able to say, hey, I'm

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 not

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 going to be able to make it so

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 that we can make room for

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 people

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 who are going to be able to

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 make it and really want to come

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.

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 And we're going to juggle

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 things.

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 I think we actually will put

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 something

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 opposite the podcasting session

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 now.

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 Because the question is, will

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 more than 160 people

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 show up at that time?

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 And the answer is, yeah, there

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 probably

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 will be more than 160 people.

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 And rather than having them

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 standing out in the hall

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 making a lot of trouble, let's

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 give them something to do.

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 Is how many people can sit in a

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 room for a session?

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 Well, I have on the grid, which

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 is at www.bligercon.org/iii/sch

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edule.

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 If you look at that, in the

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 left-hand margin,

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 the rooms are listed and the

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 capacities are also listed.

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 So I'll bring these up and I'll

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 answer your question.

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 I'm not going to fire up any

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 browsers.

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 Yeah, that's a good idea.

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 Well, I guess I'm firing up the

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 browsers.

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 You were talking about-- just

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 going back a second,

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 you were talking about how we

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 should have all this stuff work

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 the same.

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 And it hit me last night.

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 I saw that someone had made a

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 podcast icon

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 that you could attach your RSS

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 feed to,

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 so just like an XML icon, which

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 is, of course,

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 a really good idea.

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 But then we bumped into the

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 holy grail of web logs

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 where we can't have one uniform

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 podcast icon

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 if we're expecting it to auto-s

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ubscribe

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 since we have 15 different iPod

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 or engines out there.

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 And that's going to be my next

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 call to the community,

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 the iPod or development

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 community,

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 is can we come up with a

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 standardized subscription

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 mechanism so we can actually

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 have a podcast icon?

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 You know, that's the same

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 problem that RSS has.

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 And I'm getting the echoes

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 really bad right now, so--

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 Oh, really?

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 Yeah, so-- and there is a

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 solution to that problem.

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 So that's kind of what I wanted

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 to say is, you know,

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 it's like if you come up with a

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 solution, great.

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 If you don't, we will have them

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 to offer soon, I think.

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 Right.

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 There is a way to solve that

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 problem.

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 I think it's with a centralized

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 service

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 and a little bit of user

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 preferences.

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 A centralized service for the

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 subscriptions, you mean?

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 Yeah, to do the translation so

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 that you tell it--

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 in this case, the iPod is an

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 aggregator, right?

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 And you tell it what aggregator

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 you're using.

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 The reason is if you try to set

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 a standard on the desktop

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 for what these guys do, then

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 you won't

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 be able to run more than one.

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 Exactly.

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 So they kind of all have to do

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 it differently.

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 I mean, you should--

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 you know, it sounds stupid to

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 have two iPoders,

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 but let's say you want to try

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 another one out.

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 But in the meantime, you have

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 to keep listening to the things

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 you subscribe to.

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 Right.

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 Well, you're not going to want

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 to throw the old one off

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 until you're actually sure that

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 the new one works.

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 So they're right there.

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 You kind of need to have them

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 not collide with each other

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 and not all do it the same way.

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 On the other hand, I kind of

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 wonder

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 why you even need to do that.

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 Because an iPod or a podcast

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 feed is just an RSS 2.0 feed.

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 Oh, yeah.

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 Why not use exactly the same

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 mechanism?

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 Right.

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 But that's what I'm-- yeah.

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 OK.

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 The same mechanism.

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 Right.

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 I'd like to use the same

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 mechanism,

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 but there's a back end that's

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 not baked into the iPoders yet.

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 Right.

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 They don't have a--

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 right.

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 They don't have a web server

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 running and all that stuff.

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 Yeah.

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 Since they're not web servers,

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 that's probably not

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 going to be that easy to do.

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 No, exactly.

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 Yeah.

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 I mean, yeah.

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 And although, on the other hand

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, you're right.

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 Everyone's pretty much--

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 anyone who's used an aggregator

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 by now, I think, knows, OK,

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 there is going to be some copy/

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paste involved.

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 And it's not a big deal.

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 But iPoders is all about

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 simplicity, right?

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 Right.

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 And you're doing really good

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 work there,

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 making it really simple.

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 But your previous statement is

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 just right on there.

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 There's nothing we can do.

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 Other than if we own the

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 browser at them,

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 then there would be a lot we

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 could do.

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 But we don't own the browser.

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 So we're basically fucked.

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 Yaw.

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 Yaw.

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 Yeah.

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 So the directory, I think-- let

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's talk about that for a

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 minute.

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 On the iPod or not, we're sure.

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 I think what's going to--

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 yeah.

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 I mean, the redirect is

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 happening right now.

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 So the site, it will look a lot

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 better for everybody,

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 although very much like it

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 looked.

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 You know, there's a very smooth

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 transition here.

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 It's just going to get better.

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 And sort of things, bugs were

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 fixed, and things look better.

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 But maybe it even performs a

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 bit better, because it's not

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 running on an overburden server

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 anymore.

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 But then what are the next

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 steps?

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 It occurred to me that--

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 then you've got a phenomenal

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 directory there.

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 And I think that we ought to

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 develop that.

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 And however--

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 We just go with categories, you

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 mean?

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 Well, what other people

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 contribute to it?

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 One of the nice things about O

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PML-- which, by the way, that

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 is an OPML directory you're

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 working on--

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 is that you can include other O

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PML directories in your

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 directory.

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 So if you wanted to delegate

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 some part of that to some

00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.300
 other author who wanted to

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 maintain a piece of that

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 directory, all they would have

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 to do is produce an OPML

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 document.

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 And then make sure that's on

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 the public web so that the

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 server software can access it.

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 And then whenever they update

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 it within an hour, our server

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 will pick up those updates.

00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:02.000
 Oh, yeah, right.

00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:02.830
 I remember how that works, yeah

00:20:02.830 --> 00:20:02.960
.

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 It's a way to sort of branch

00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:04.680
 out, cover it.

00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:05.360
 Yeah.

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 It's a good time to use it.

00:20:06.760 --> 00:20:10.440
 I mean, it would be nice to see

00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:13.280
 that OPML gets well used in

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 this context, where there was a

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 lot of fighting over and a

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 lot of sort of good things when

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 it came to our creators.

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 Like people that would output

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 things but change the names of

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 things.

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 And you'd ask them, why did you

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 change the name of that?

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 Oh, I just didn't like the name

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 that you used.

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 And I'd go, come on.

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 Why do you do that?

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 So the hope here is that we can

00:20:33.030 --> 00:20:35.640
 bootstrap something that is

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 because podcasting should be

00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:38.720
 very broad.

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 It should cover basically every

00:20:40.620 --> 00:20:41.800
 human activity.

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 So the directories should be

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 very broad, too.

00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:45.200
 Right, right.

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 OK, yeah, that's good.

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 So indeed, I remember now how

00:20:47.290 --> 00:20:47.960
 that worked.

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 If you just need to produce an

00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:52.280
 OPML document and send a URL,

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 and then I just hook a node

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 into that URL, right?

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 And then it's seamless.

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 And then when you click on that

00:20:57.430 --> 00:20:58.600
, even though it's being

00:20:58.600 --> 00:21:00.040
 sucked in from somewhere else

00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:01.840
 or cached or whatever, then

00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:03.960
 is it cached or is it a live

00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:04.920
 update?

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 It's cached.

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 It's cached.

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 It's cached for up to an hour.

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 Where after an hour, it throws

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 out the cache and rereads it.

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 That's how you do the updates.

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 And the suggest a link feature,

00:21:16.830 --> 00:21:18.320
 when somebody's browsing the

00:21:18.320 --> 00:21:20.000
 part of the directory that

00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.440
 someone else authored, the

00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.320
 suggestions go to that person.

00:21:24.320 --> 00:21:25.400
 They get the full--

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 Oh, OK, so if someone else-- oh

00:21:27.100 --> 00:21:27.440
, right.

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 So it won't come to me.

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 It'll go to the person who's

00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:30.600
 maintaining that particular

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 node or the directory.

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 Because of course, that would

00:21:32.570 --> 00:21:32.800
 be-- yeah.

00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:33.640
 Oh, right.

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 And I also want to-- and this

00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:36.400
 probably will have to wait

00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:37.980
 until after BloggerCon, because

00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:38.760
 it's going to keep me

00:21:38.760 --> 00:21:39.360
 pretty busy.

00:21:39.360 --> 00:21:41.440
 But I also want to make it so

00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.680
 that basically if somebody

00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.620
 suggests a link to you and you

00:21:45.620 --> 00:21:47.040
 want to use it, that it

00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:48.180
 should just be a one-step

00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:48.880
 operation.

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 You should just basically--

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 Click.

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 --click on a link and say it

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 that says yes.

00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:53.400
 Yeah, right.

00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:53.920
 There you go.

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 And not have to go edit

00:21:54.540 --> 00:21:54.960
 anything.

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 And also stuff that--

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 And shorten that process.

00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:58.860
 Yeah, also stuff that I was

00:21:58.860 --> 00:22:00.080
 thinking as I was using the

00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:01.840
 directory myself.

00:22:01.840 --> 00:22:03.140
 So in the suggest a link, it

00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:06.240
 actually gives you a space.

00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.320
 And people are using that.

00:22:07.320 --> 00:22:10.380
 Why this link should be in the

00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:11.560
 directory.

00:22:11.560 --> 00:22:12.980
 But right now, we're just

00:22:12.980 --> 00:22:15.960
 linking to the RSS feeds.

00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:17.790
 It might be-- is there a way to

00:22:17.790 --> 00:22:19.640
 do it so you can also go to

00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:20.600
 the website?

00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:23.200
 Well, that would require

00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.360
 customization of the directory

00:22:25.360 --> 00:22:25.640
 code.

00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.080
 It was never designed for that

00:22:27.080 --> 00:22:27.720
 purpose.

00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.500
 But I'm totally into doing that

00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:31.320
, that kind of

00:22:31.320 --> 00:22:33.680
 customization.

00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:34.920
 But that has to--

00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:36.080
 well, we'll see what happens.

00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:36.640
 Oh, wait a minute.

00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.000
 Maybe I could just add the--

00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.390
 if I just add the link, if I

00:22:41.390 --> 00:22:44.200
 add the HTML link code to the

00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.480
 node, that would work, wouldn't

00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:46.920
 it?

00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.600
 You can do that.

00:22:48.600 --> 00:22:49.640
 Yeah, it would work.

00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:50.840
 It's less than optimal.

00:22:50.840 --> 00:22:51.820
 I mean, you kind of want to

00:22:51.820 --> 00:22:52.840
 have more of a database

00:22:52.840 --> 00:22:54.520
 behind there.

00:22:54.520 --> 00:22:56.440
 And we can do that.

00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.910
 But it's not going to be

00:22:58.910 --> 00:23:01.200
 something I can do right away.

00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.040
 I hate it when people say that.

00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:04.440
 Oh, that's a disappointing day.

00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:05.910
 If you've just totally blown my

00:23:05.910 --> 00:23:06.800
 entire day now.

00:23:06.800 --> 00:23:07.320
 I know.

00:23:07.320 --> 00:23:08.160
 You're too busy.

00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:09.360
 Well, something happened.

00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:10.610
 I'll tell you, we were at this

00:23:10.610 --> 00:23:11.520
 Microsoft thing.

00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:12.560
 It's for two days.

00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:14.000
 And there were about 30 blog

00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:14.920
gers in the room.

00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:16.300
 And there were about 30

00:23:16.300 --> 00:23:17.440
 Microsoft people.

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 And of course, they didn't do

00:23:19.580 --> 00:23:20.160
 it in an

00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:21.600
 unconference format.

00:23:21.600 --> 00:23:22.720
 They had the Microsoft people

00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.840
 who were in front of the room.

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 And we were the audience.

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 But there was a point when we

00:23:28.660 --> 00:23:29.720
 just sort of broke out of

00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:31.400
 that mold and just started

00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:32.800
 screaming at them.

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 But it was funny.

00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.480
 Yeah, it was really something.

00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:36.690
 And they tried to get hold of

00:23:36.690 --> 00:23:37.000
 it.

00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.600
 And I said, don't do that.

00:23:38.600 --> 00:23:39.120
 Don't do that.

00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:40.120
 I mean, this is welcome to the

00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:40.720
 blogosphere.

00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:41.890
 It's a lot of people yelling at

00:23:41.890 --> 00:23:42.520
 each other.

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 But we actually get shit done

00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:45.800
 this way.

00:23:45.800 --> 00:23:46.600
 Now I forgot why.

00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:47.080
 Oh, right.

00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:49.140
 So it's like the poor Microsoft

00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:49.640
 people.

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 Because we were telling them,

00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:52.160
 hey, we want this.

00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:52.720
 We want that.

00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.000
 We want this.

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.680
 Do this, do this, do this.

00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:56.200
 Well, OK.

00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:57.880
 So then they kept saying, well,

00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.280
 thanks for the feedback.

00:23:59.280 --> 00:23:59.960
 Oh, thanks.

00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:02.090
 Oh, hey, we appreciate your

00:24:02.090 --> 00:24:02.720
 work.

00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:03.720
 Thanks for your input.

00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.970
 It's really valuable that you

00:24:04.970 --> 00:24:06.200
 guys were here today.

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.200
 Exactly.

00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.320
 We'll put that on the list for

00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:10.080
 the things we do after we do

00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:11.080
 everything else.

00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:13.760
 That's the way we want to do it

00:24:13.760 --> 00:24:13.920
.

00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.170
 That's kind of the way we heard

00:24:16.170 --> 00:24:16.640
 it.

00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:18.240
 And then, so of course, we took

00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:19.360
 this one guy during one of

00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:19.800
 the breaks.

00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:21.920
 He came to talk with a couple

00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:23.080
 of us, and me and Chris

00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:23.640
 Perillo.

00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.870
 And we just beat the crap out

00:24:25.870 --> 00:24:26.440
 of him.

00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:27.960
 We got a lot of success.

00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:28.960
 No, no, no.

00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:29.960
 You just got to do it.

00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:31.160
 Stop making excuses.

00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:32.080
 It's really easy.

00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:34.160
 It'll take you half a day to do

00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:34.680
 it.

00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.800
 If you tell me you have to take

00:24:35.800 --> 00:24:36.760
 six months, I know you're

00:24:36.760 --> 00:24:38.200
 bullsitting us.

00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.010
 And the poor guy, his gears

00:24:40.010 --> 00:24:41.120
 were stripped.

00:24:41.120 --> 00:24:42.530
 But he came back after the

00:24:42.530 --> 00:24:43.920
 break, and he said he had gone

00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.230
 to visit with the program

00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:46.520
 manager, and he got it on

00:24:46.520 --> 00:24:48.350
 schedule for two weeks from now

00:24:48.350 --> 00:24:48.600
.

00:24:48.600 --> 00:24:50.040
 And so we all stood up and gave

00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:51.040
 him a standing ovation.

00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:52.040
 Standing ovation.

00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:53.670
 And he was glowing for the

00:24:53.670 --> 00:24:55.200
 whole rest of the time.

00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:56.330
 And I said, that's what we got

00:24:56.330 --> 00:24:56.720
 to do.

00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:57.990
 We got to do more of this kind

00:24:57.990 --> 00:24:59.400
 of stuff where we don't have

00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.080
 to beat you up to do something

00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:02.840
 really simple that makes it

00:25:02.840 --> 00:25:05.110
 possible for us to take your

00:25:05.110 --> 00:25:07.200
 work and use it in 50 billion

00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.640
 different ways.

00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:09.680
 That takes the burden of

00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:13.240
 innovation off of the EU.

00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:14.830
 So of course, what I'm doing

00:25:14.830 --> 00:25:16.080
 now is I'm saying, well, I'll

00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:17.320
 do this after I do everything

00:25:17.320 --> 00:25:19.280
 else I have to do.

00:25:19.280 --> 00:25:20.580
 It's all about Microsoft magic

00:25:20.580 --> 00:25:21.840
 rubbing off on you, man.

00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:23.680
 That's what it is.

00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.520
 Death Star Pixie Dust.

00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:27.280
 Yeah.

00:25:27.280 --> 00:25:30.520
 Well, we'll get to it.

00:25:30.520 --> 00:25:31.840
 No, I want this to be my top

00:25:31.840 --> 00:25:32.520
 priority.

00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:33.920
 And frankly, that's kind of

00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.240
 been the problem, is that it

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:35.840
 has been.

00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:36.860
 And that's why BloggerCon has

00:25:36.860 --> 00:25:38.040
 sort of suffered a little bit,

00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:40.250
 because here we are in podcast-

00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:42.080
fill, and everything's

00:25:42.080 --> 00:25:44.600
 going great.

00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:46.000
 Definitely is.

00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.850
 This is actually one of our

00:25:47.850 --> 00:25:50.080
 quality-wise-- this is really

00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:50.600
 good.

00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:52.360
 I'm using a little different

00:25:52.360 --> 00:25:54.200
 setup today, and I'm pretty

00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.600
 happy with it.

00:25:56.600 --> 00:25:57.560
 And how is that?

00:25:57.560 --> 00:25:59.600
 What is the different setup?

00:25:59.600 --> 00:26:02.820
 Well, you heard about the Engad

00:26:02.820 --> 00:26:05.480
get guys, right?

00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:06.880
 Yeah, sure.

00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:06.880
 Yeah.

00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.940
 So they spent hours and hours

00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:10.480
 trying to figure out how to

00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:11.480
 do this.

00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:13.740
 And they were using all the

00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:15.320
 same bits that I'd been using,

00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:17.820
 that Hugo Schottman had been

00:26:17.820 --> 00:26:18.680
 using.

00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:19.580
 But there was one additional

00:26:19.580 --> 00:26:22.280
 thing called Soundflower Bed,

00:26:22.280 --> 00:26:24.480
 which is just--

00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.120
 basically, the only thing that

00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:26.120
--

00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:27.260
 I could get everything working

00:26:27.260 --> 00:26:28.240
 the way it is now, except

00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.150
 then when I talked, I would

00:26:30.150 --> 00:26:31.960
 hear myself with a second

00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:32.860
 delay, which makes it

00:26:32.860 --> 00:26:33.960
 impossible to talk if you have

00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.360
 that on the headphones.

00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:36.910
 And so this Soundflower Bed

00:26:36.910 --> 00:26:38.440
 basically lets you listen to

00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.980
 the audio before it's routed to

00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:41.800
 a different place.

00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:44.260
 So I had the general setup

00:26:44.260 --> 00:26:46.840
 already figured out, but now

00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:48.600
 they've figured out how to--

00:26:48.600 --> 00:26:50.090
 or they pointed me to this

00:26:50.090 --> 00:26:51.640
 thing that lets me monitor it

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:52.240
 in the right way.

00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:52.840
 So it's good.

00:26:52.840 --> 00:26:54.280
 And it's working.

00:26:54.280 --> 00:26:55.040
 Knock on wood.

00:26:55.040 --> 00:26:55.440
 Wait.

00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.380
 Stand on some guard like as

00:26:56.380 --> 00:26:57.040
 usual, Dave.

00:26:57.040 --> 00:27:03.040
 Yeah, that's pretty funny.

00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:03.970
 So what do you think about

00:27:03.970 --> 00:27:04.440
 privacy?

00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.870
 Do you think we ought to have

00:27:06.870 --> 00:27:07.440
 it?

00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.440
 Do you think we ought to depend

00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.080
 on Microsoft for passport?

00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:14.880
 Well, it's funny because as

00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.160
 liberal and as--

00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.820
 let me turn that off-- as

00:27:18.820 --> 00:27:22.840
 liberal as the Netherlands is

00:27:22.840 --> 00:27:24.650
 when it comes to a whole bunch

00:27:24.650 --> 00:27:26.120
 of things that we can do that

00:27:26.120 --> 00:27:27.430
 you can't do anywhere else,

00:27:27.430 --> 00:27:28.480
 particularly in the United

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.290
 States, the one thing that

00:27:30.290 --> 00:27:32.880
 really freaks me out is that

00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:33.760
 they have--

00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:35.970
 they, the big they, the man,

00:27:35.970 --> 00:27:37.500
 have the power, for any

00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:39.090
 reason whatsoever, to tap your

00:27:39.090 --> 00:27:39.840
 phone line.

00:27:39.840 --> 00:27:42.600
 And I've heard statistics that

00:27:42.600 --> 00:27:44.320
 are doing 50,000 phone

00:27:44.320 --> 00:27:47.080
 taps a month.

00:27:47.080 --> 00:27:47.640
 Wow.

00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.860
 And it's that kind of stuff

00:27:50.860 --> 00:27:52.960
 that really freaks me out.

00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.250
 When it comes to the internet,

00:27:55.250 --> 00:27:56.280
 I don't know how good the

00:27:56.280 --> 00:27:57.530
 monitoring systems are and all

00:27:57.530 --> 00:27:57.920
 that.

00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.820
 But I know that if someone

00:27:58.820 --> 00:27:59.840
 wants to get your shit, if

00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:01.620
 someone wants to get into your

00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:02.920
 accounts or anything, right

00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:04.120
 now there is--

00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:05.980
 as far as I know, there's no

00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:07.120
 real protection.

00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:08.940
 I like what my bank does with a

00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:10.080
 challenge string on a card

00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:12.530
 and all that because I think

00:28:12.530 --> 00:28:14.360
 that's reasonably secure.

00:28:14.360 --> 00:28:15.590
 But I don't know anything about

00:28:15.590 --> 00:28:16.320
 their system.

00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:17.680
 I don't know what kind of back

00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.880
 ends or holes they might have.

00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:20.650
 But yeah, of course it's

00:28:20.650 --> 00:28:21.160
 important.

00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.380
 It's really important for a

00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:24.720
 number of reasons.

00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.690
 You're seeing with this phone

00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:26.960
 tap shit that's going on here

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.960
 that people are being--

00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.440
 it's like Razia's.

00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.050
 It's like breaking down people

00:28:32.050 --> 00:28:32.880
's door in the middle of

00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:33.480
 the night.

00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.640
 We know you're a terrorist.

00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.270
 And we heard you mentioned

00:28:36.270 --> 00:28:37.360
 these things.

00:28:37.360 --> 00:28:38.560
 You talk about a big game.

00:28:38.560 --> 00:28:40.060
 We know what the code word "big

00:28:40.060 --> 00:28:41.160
 game" stands for.

00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:41.920
 And it turns out it's a

00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:43.080
 perfectly nice Moroccan

00:28:43.080 --> 00:28:43.440
 family.

00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.380
 It has nothing to do with

00:28:44.380 --> 00:28:44.960
 anything.

00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.050
 So everyone was lucky that time

00:28:49.050 --> 00:28:49.560
.

00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:53.240
 So it's real important that you

00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.560
 have privacy and that

00:28:54.560 --> 00:28:55.710
 there are certain rules that

00:28:55.710 --> 00:28:57.960
 have to be followed in

00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.090
 prosecution of breaking those

00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:04.720
 rules.

00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.200
 So let's see in switching gears

00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.000
 a little bit.

00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.930
 What is the European view of

00:29:09.930 --> 00:29:11.720
 the US presidential election?

00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:12.880
 Do you hear from people talking

00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:13.440
 about that?

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:14.800
 Or what do they think?

00:29:14.800 --> 00:29:19.180
 On the presidential debate,

00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:21.320
 first of all--

00:29:21.320 --> 00:29:22.480
 because that's kind of been

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.440
 dominating the news

00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.080
 everywhere--

00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:28.700
 everything I read in Europe,

00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:33.800
 including the UK, did not

00:29:33.800 --> 00:29:36.010
 come out the winner of that

00:29:36.010 --> 00:29:36.960
 debate.

00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.940
 And everybody here in the press

00:29:40.940 --> 00:29:42.200
 as well--

00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.330
 it is common knowledge that

00:29:44.330 --> 00:29:46.160
 there's a war being fought

00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.600
 where Osama bin Laden is not.

00:29:49.600 --> 00:29:50.580
 And that is pointed out

00:29:50.580 --> 00:29:51.400
 continuously.

00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.800
 So that's pretty good.

00:29:53.800 --> 00:29:56.720
 But that's about it.

00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.920
 So are we totally fucked if we

00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:00.640
 re-elect this here?

00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.700
 Well, from a European

00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:04.520
 perspective?

00:30:04.520 --> 00:30:06.490
 Yeah, or whatever, from the

00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:08.360
 Adam Curry perspective.

00:30:08.360 --> 00:30:09.440
 Definitely.

00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:10.440
 Definitely.

00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:12.400
 Cool.

00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:13.520
 I've gotten into the--

00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:15.080
 [INTERPOSING VOICES]

00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:16.780
 I've totally gotten into the

00:30:16.780 --> 00:30:18.600
 vibe of the big conspiracy.

00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:19.480
 And it's there.

00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:20.240
 I believe it.

00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:21.640
 Hey, wait, wait, something just

00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:22.200
 came over.

00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.200
 You guys check this out.

00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:24.450
 They announced Howard Stern

00:30:24.450 --> 00:30:25.720
 will move to satellite radio

00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:26.920
 in 2006.

00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:27.480
 Really?

00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.080
 So he's off commercial now.

00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:30.170
 Yeah, they had a little

00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:31.520
 interview with him there.

00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.160
 Well, that's going to be a huge

00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.200
, huge boost for XM.

00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:37.140
 That's going to be big for

00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:37.720
 those guys.

00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.310
 Maybe we can get him to do a

00:30:39.310 --> 00:30:40.120
 podcast.

00:30:40.120 --> 00:30:41.290
 And the Engadja guys were

00:30:41.290 --> 00:30:42.120
 talking about that.

00:30:42.120 --> 00:30:43.070
 And I played a clip on the

00:30:43.070 --> 00:30:43.760
 source code.

00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:45.480
 This would be perfect for him.

00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.680
 Leave the commercials in.

00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:47.280
 No problem.

00:30:47.280 --> 00:30:49.020
 We'll listen to the commercials

00:30:49.020 --> 00:30:49.240
.

00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:50.860
 It's just like radio that he's

00:30:50.860 --> 00:30:51.280
 used to,

00:30:51.280 --> 00:30:52.240
 except he doesn't have to go

00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:53.080
 clear all these frigging

00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:53.560
 markets.

00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:54.670
 And he can finally do it unc

00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:55.600
ensored, which I think

00:30:55.600 --> 00:30:58.520
 is what he wants anyway.

00:30:58.520 --> 00:31:00.040
 Yeah, that would be great.

00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:01.280
 Because he won't be able to do

00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:02.600
 it uncensored on XM radio.

00:31:02.600 --> 00:31:04.450
 I think they have some

00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:06.350
 regulations we have to find out

00:31:06.350 --> 00:31:06.560
.

00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:07.700
 But I don't think he can go

00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:09.160
 totally uncensored there.

00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:14.360
 Interesting.

00:31:14.360 --> 00:31:15.970
 So you know that Bush didn't

00:31:15.970 --> 00:31:16.520
 like the way

00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:17.880
 he did in the debate either.

00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.180
 And so tonight he's giving an

00:31:20.180 --> 00:31:21.480
 address to the nation

00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.700
 where he's going to try to do

00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:24.440
 it again,

00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.730
 except this time the innovation

00:31:26.730 --> 00:31:28.120
 is no John Kerry.

00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:28.720
 Wait a minute.

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.080
 So he can talk to him.

00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:31.130
 Is everyone going to take that

00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:31.360
 up?

00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:32.320
 That's fucked up.

00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:34.000
 That's not equal air time.

00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.000
 It is totally.

00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.800
 It's like breaking the rules.

00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:39.280
 Yeah.

00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:40.600
 It's going to backfire on him.

00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:41.610
 I mean, basically there's a

00:31:41.610 --> 00:31:42.800
 certain sense of fair play

00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:45.630
 that we're in the period where,

00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:47.720
 unless there's something

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.420
 really dramatic happens, that

00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:49.640
 Bush

00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.060
 is a candidate for president

00:31:52.060 --> 00:31:53.080
 who happens to be the White

00:31:53.080 --> 00:31:53.880
 House.

00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.670
 And he gets a lot of advantages

00:31:56.670 --> 00:31:58.680
, like Cheney said last night

00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.790
 that Bush in Iowa signing some

00:32:01.790 --> 00:32:03.000
 bill that gives money

00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.280
 to people.

00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:06.800
 And I don't think it was a

00:32:06.800 --> 00:32:07.720
 coincidence

00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:08.920
 that it gives money to people

00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.400
 who he needs votes from.

00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:11.240
 Joc.

00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:12.240
 Joc.

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.850
 It's not-- it's the one time

00:32:13.850 --> 00:32:15.360
 that he's not giving money

00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:18.000
 to his CEO, Fat Cat friends.

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.400
 And he's giving it to middle

00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:20.840
 class people in Iowa.

00:32:20.840 --> 00:32:21.120
 Right?

00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:22.340
 Oh, well, maybe he had

00:32:22.340 --> 00:32:23.680
 something to do with the fact

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.080
 that he wants to win Iowa.

00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:26.000
 No, really.

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:27.680
 You don't say.

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:28.680
 No.

00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.800
 Couldn't possibly be.

00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:31.080
 I mean, of course it couldn't

00:32:31.080 --> 00:32:31.360
 be.

00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:34.520
 I mean, but then he's going on

00:32:34.520 --> 00:32:34.840
 TV.

00:32:34.840 --> 00:32:36.890
 And it hasn't been a big stink

00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:37.920
 about it yet.

00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.840
 But--

00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:41.680
 But the rules are equal air

00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:42.320
 time.

00:32:42.320 --> 00:32:43.580
 And I mean, he's going to

00:32:43.580 --> 00:32:44.760
 address the nation.

00:32:44.760 --> 00:32:45.280
 But--

00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:45.840
 No.

00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:46.480
 Oh, no.

00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:47.400
 I don't think so.

00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.600
 No, no, no, no.

00:32:48.600 --> 00:32:52.150
 When Bush went on to talk about

00:32:52.150 --> 00:32:52.240
--

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.550
 there is equal air time for

00:32:53.550 --> 00:32:53.840
 things

00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:56.230
 that are institutional, like

00:32:56.230 --> 00:32:57.920
 the state of the union address.

00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:59.040
 There is equal air time.

00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:00.520
 Not equal, actually.

00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:01.870
 But they get a chance to give

00:33:01.870 --> 00:33:03.040
 their point of view.

00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:03.840
 When I signed my--

00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:04.440
 Right.

00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:05.080
 You know the rule, though.

00:33:05.080 --> 00:33:08.230
 When I signed my license, my

00:33:08.230 --> 00:33:10.800
 radio operator's license,

00:33:10.800 --> 00:33:13.510
 very specifically stated the

00:33:13.510 --> 00:33:15.480
 equal air time rule.

00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.630
 And it doesn't matter when or

00:33:18.630 --> 00:33:19.200
 in--

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.380
 see, the state of a union

00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:23.000
 address is something very

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:23.520
 defined.

00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:25.260
 But as far as I understood the

00:33:25.260 --> 00:33:25.800
 rules,

00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:28.600
 if I let a Democratic person A

00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:30.440
 on the show for five minutes,

00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.280
 I have to give five minutes to

00:33:32.280 --> 00:33:33.720
 an opposing party.

00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.030
 That's the rules that I always

00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:36.720
 learned.

00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:37.830
 Well, it was a radio broadcast

00:33:37.830 --> 00:33:38.320
 license.

00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:41.370
 But it's the same thing, I

00:33:41.370 --> 00:33:42.800
 believe.

00:33:42.800 --> 00:33:43.860
 I think there's a difference

00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:45.440
 when the president goes on TV

00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.520
 to address the nation.

00:33:46.520 --> 00:33:48.720
 I mean, that's string of words.

00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:49.800
 You know, that--

00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:50.800
 Yeah.

00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:51.560
 I don't know.

00:33:51.560 --> 00:33:52.450
 Well, it depends on what he's

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:52.840
 going to--

00:33:52.840 --> 00:33:54.620
 if he talks about all the same

00:33:54.620 --> 00:33:55.960
 issues as the debate, which

00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:57.900
 was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq,

00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.280
 Iraq, and he says the same--

00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:00.880
 No, he can say that there's an

00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:01.720
 emergency.

00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:02.630
 He can say, oh, it's an

00:34:02.630 --> 00:34:03.120
 emergency.

00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.360
 I have to talk to the people.

00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:04.860
 Right.

00:34:04.860 --> 00:34:05.600
 I understand what you're saying

00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:05.720
.

00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.010
 I'm not a Republican or a

00:34:07.010 --> 00:34:07.800
 Democrat.

00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:09.130
 I'm the president of the United

00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:09.480
 States.

00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.840
 And bring the camera in the O

00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:11.400
val Office,

00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:12.110
 and we've got to have a talk

00:34:12.110 --> 00:34:12.400
 here.

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:13.610
 Well, it better be really good

00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:13.840
 then.

00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.090
 If he's going to waste my time

00:34:15.090 --> 00:34:17.240
 and interrupt my prime time

00:34:17.240 --> 00:34:19.570
 television programming, it

00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:21.400
 better be damn good.

00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.750
 Oh, you know it's going to be

00:34:22.750 --> 00:34:23.200
 good.

00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:26.720
 I mean, he is extremely colleg

00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:28.440
ial, genial,

00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.680
 avuncular, friendly, white-s

00:34:30.680 --> 00:34:32.000
mooth, whatever her name

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.280
 is, Laura Bush.

00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:34.040
 I'm sorry.

00:34:34.040 --> 00:34:37.000
 He's the husband of Laura Bush.

00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:37.920
 He opened his speech.

00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.640
 He was on TV just before this

00:34:39.640 --> 00:34:40.600
 thing started.

00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:42.210
 And he opens it up and says,

00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:42.680
 yeah,

00:34:42.680 --> 00:34:43.830
 I know you guys would rather

00:34:43.830 --> 00:34:44.640
 hear from Laura.

00:34:44.640 --> 00:34:45.800
 And they all go crazy.

00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:46.440
 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.820
 We'd love to hear from Laura

00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:48.320
 White.

00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.490
 And then so you think, well,

00:34:49.490 --> 00:34:50.440
 why doesn't he just go up

00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:51.400
 and spate her already?

00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:52.720
 I mean, jeez.

00:34:52.720 --> 00:34:54.120
 He could be the first--

00:34:54.120 --> 00:34:55.740
 maybe she could be the

00:34:55.740 --> 00:34:56.600
 president,

00:34:56.600 --> 00:34:57.760
 or he could be the pope.

00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.760
 Oh, I was just--

00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.410
 I'm going to see if I can find

00:35:00.410 --> 00:35:00.960
 this.

00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.020
 I have something that I want to

00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:02.360
 play.

00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:03.560
 It would be so cool.

00:35:03.560 --> 00:35:05.520
 Oh, I bet you I don't have it.

00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:06.200
 Oh, man.

00:35:06.200 --> 00:35:07.400
 Have you ever heard the first

00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:08.160
 black president?

00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:10.120
 Have you ever heard that?

00:35:10.120 --> 00:35:10.800
 That song?

00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:12.800
 No, I don't think so.

00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.680
 Who does it?

00:35:14.680 --> 00:35:17.400
 Curtis Blow.

00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.080
 Let me see.

00:35:18.080 --> 00:35:18.880
 I don't know.

00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:19.640
 No, I don't know.

00:35:19.640 --> 00:35:20.490
 I'll have to get that one next

00:35:20.490 --> 00:35:20.800
 time.

00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:21.320
 Shoot.

00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.010
 That would have been perfect

00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:23.760
 for this.

00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.560
 You want to play a song?

00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:26.150
 I'm sure you-- let me guess

00:35:26.150 --> 00:35:28.560
 what you want to hear.

00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:29.200
 Want to play some pranks?

00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:30.280
 I'd rather be the president.

00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:31.360
 No, you could be the president.

00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:32.160
 I'd rather be the pope.

00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:32.800
 You could be the pope.

00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.550
 And then I'd love to hear right

00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:35.360
 after that--

00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.100
 I would just love to hear that

00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:39.400
 butt-gusting,

00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.530
 stream of nonsense from George

00:35:41.530 --> 00:35:42.680
 Bush of the first debate

00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:44.560
 if you haven't had that around.

00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:45.760
 Wow.

00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.320
 Damn.

00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:47.880
 Now you go ask me for that, eh?

00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:48.280
 Hold on.

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.160
 Let me see if I can find that.

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.440
 That I could probably play.

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:51.920
 Hold on.

00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:52.480
 Let me see.

00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:52.960
 No, I--

00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.080
 The calm-scrippling news.

00:35:54.080 --> 00:35:57.840
 I mean--

00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.240
 Oh, yeah.

00:35:58.240 --> 00:36:01.080
 Hold on a second.

00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:02.760
 Man.

00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:03.910
 Hey, you got to warn people

00:36:03.910 --> 00:36:04.840
 about that one, though.

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.840
 If you haven't heard it, OK?

00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.200
 You got to put down your coffee

00:36:08.200 --> 00:36:08.560
 cup.

00:36:08.560 --> 00:36:10.240
 You got to, like, basically get

00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:12.080
 yourself into a place

00:36:12.080 --> 00:36:13.210
 where there are any sharp

00:36:13.210 --> 00:36:14.280
 objects around.

00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.750
 You have to be near a toilet

00:36:15.750 --> 00:36:17.000
 because you just never

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.000
 know what's going to happen.

00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.120
 That's a loaded question.

00:36:22.120 --> 00:36:27.050
 First of all, I admire Senator

00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:28.840
 Kerry's service

00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.280
 to our country.

00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.260
 I admire the fact that he is a

00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:34.280
 great dad.

00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:35.280
 We're facing a--

00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:48.400
 Let me finish.

00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.250
 And so the answer to your

00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:51.680
 question is, no doubt about it,

00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:52.520
 it's tough.

00:36:52.520 --> 00:36:53.920
 It's hard work.

00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:54.960
 It's incredibly hard.

00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.970
 And let me-- I just know how

00:36:59.970 --> 00:37:02.120
 this world works.

00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:03.730
 There's a lot of good people

00:37:03.730 --> 00:37:04.560
 working hard.

00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:07.530
 And we're making progress there

00:37:07.530 --> 00:37:07.880
.

00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.710
 Never-- when I was running,

00:37:09.710 --> 00:37:11.080
 when we had the debate in 2000,

00:37:11.080 --> 00:37:12.360
 never dreamt I'd be doing that.

00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.480
 And we've been effective.

00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:20.960
 [SIDE CONVERSATION]

00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:29.120
 And I believe that in terms of

00:37:29.120 --> 00:37:31.880
 D'Aufour,

00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.920
 to-- prior to D'Aufour,

00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.880
 secondly, we've set up what's

00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:40.810
 called the-- well, first of all

00:37:40.810 --> 00:37:42.320
, I agree with my opponent

00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.440
 that it's hard work.

00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.320
 Everybody knows it's hard work.

00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.230
 But by speaking clearly, it'll

00:37:48.230 --> 00:37:50.560
 mean it's less likely we

00:37:50.560 --> 00:37:53.760
 have to use force.

00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.120
 That wasn't a popular move.

00:37:55.120 --> 00:38:00.920
 And it's hard work.

00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.010
 And I made some tough decisions

00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:06.640
.

00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:07.760
 So you say was it worth it?

00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:08.760
 It wasn't--

00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.030
 Yeah, I understand what it

00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:16.120
 means to be the commander-chief

00:38:16.120 --> 00:38:16.280
.

00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:17.600
 We're making progress.

00:38:17.600 --> 00:38:18.560
 It is hard work.

00:38:18.560 --> 00:38:20.180
 Of course, I know Osama bin

00:38:20.180 --> 00:38:21.560
 Laden attacked us.

00:38:21.560 --> 00:38:23.120
 I know that.

00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:25.220
 Of course, we're after Saddam

00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:26.080
 Hussein.

00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:28.880
 I mean, bin Laden.

00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:29.360
 Let me say it.

00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:30.240
 I certainly hope so.

00:38:32.520 --> 00:38:47.280
 Before I-- to-- more of the--

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.440
 and it is--

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.440
 one of the things I've learned

00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:51.080
 in the White House

00:38:51.080 --> 00:38:52.590
 is that there's enormous

00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:53.840
 pressure on the president.

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:55.030
 And you cannot wilt under that

00:38:55.030 --> 00:38:56.160
 pressure otherwise.

00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.780
 I just think, how can I follow

00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:05.440
 this guy?

00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.880
 I think that by speaking

00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.960
 clearly, let me--

00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:17.720
 you know, my hardest--

00:39:17.720 --> 00:39:20.860
 the hardest part of the job is

00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:22.000
 something

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.240
 as fundamental as what you

00:39:25.240 --> 00:39:26.880
 believe in your core

00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.760
 and your heart of hearts is

00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.560
 right for-- in Iraq.

00:39:31.560 --> 00:39:33.920
 You cannot lead if you send

00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:35.680
 mixed messages.

00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:40.530
 You know, it's hard work to try

00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:41.360
 to--

00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:46.920
 I know what I said was that

00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.400
 democracy will best--

00:39:50.400 --> 00:40:01.100
 I believe that we've done a lot

00:40:01.100 --> 00:40:05.360
 of hard work together

00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:06.550
 over the last three and a half

00:40:06.550 --> 00:40:06.960
 years.

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.910
 You know, we have to be right

00:40:13.910 --> 00:40:20.080
 100% of the time.

00:40:20.080 --> 00:40:24.280
 It's-- and it's hard work.

00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:25.480
 That's not going to happen so

00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:26.760
 long as I'm your president.

00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:31.960
 Oh, I'm a pretty calm guy.

00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.240
 I don't take it personally.

00:40:34.240 --> 00:40:36.760
 I understand that we must--

00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:43.680
 let me tell you one thing.

00:40:43.680 --> 00:40:45.140
 Actually, we've increased

00:40:45.140 --> 00:40:49.520
 funding for dealing

00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:50.760
 with nuclear proliferation.

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:57.380
 Let me-- first, of course, we

00:40:57.380 --> 00:40:58.160
've done everything

00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:01.960
 we can to protect America.

00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:03.120
 I wake up every day thinking

00:41:03.120 --> 00:41:04.200
 about how best to protect

00:41:04.200 --> 00:41:04.560
 America.

00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:06.360
 That's my job.

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:07.430
 There's a lot of really good

00:41:07.430 --> 00:41:09.840
 people working hard to do so.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.670
 It's hard work for so long as I

00:41:11.670 --> 00:41:13.080
'm the president.

00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:15.120
 Sometimes you feel like a nut.

00:41:15.120 --> 00:41:16.120
 Sometimes you don't.

00:41:16.120 --> 00:41:19.600
 [MUSIC - "CALL IT"]

00:41:19.600 --> 00:41:23.600
 Call it, call my name.

00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:32.080
 Call it, call my name.

00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:39.740
 I heard your voice this morning

00:41:39.740 --> 00:41:40.560
.

00:41:40.560 --> 00:41:42.560
 Call it now, my name.

00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.110
 It'd been so long since I've

00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:50.680
 heard that it didn't really

00:41:50.680 --> 00:41:54.520
 sound quite the same, no.

00:41:54.520 --> 00:41:58.170
 But it let me know that my name

00:41:58.170 --> 00:41:59.280
 had never really

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.760
 been spoken before.

00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.520
 Before the day I carried you to

00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:07.240
 the bridal path, though.

00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:12.890
 It never says the day I haven't

00:42:12.890 --> 00:42:15.200
 wanted anyone but you.

00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:22.090
 And anybody who really knows me

00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:23.160
 knows the truth.

00:42:23.160 --> 00:42:28.760
 I just can't stop writing songs

00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.160
 about you.

00:42:31.160 --> 00:42:32.640
 I love you so much.

00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:36.880
 I just can't wait to get my

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.680
 arms around you.

00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:41.120
 Maybe you'll touch it.

00:42:41.120 --> 00:42:45.490
 If I don't see you real soon,

00:42:45.490 --> 00:42:49.120
 baby girl, I might go insane.

00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:54.070
 No, it's only been three hours,

00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:56.200
 but another when

00:42:56.200 --> 00:42:58.120
 you call my name.

00:42:58.120 --> 00:42:59.120
 Yes, I do.

00:42:59.120 --> 00:43:03.190
 I heard a voice on the news

00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:04.920
 saying people

00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:06.920
 want to stop the war.

00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.920
 Stop the war.

00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.530
 If they had love as sweet as

00:43:12.530 --> 00:43:13.040
 you,

00:43:13.040 --> 00:43:14.290
 they'd forget what they were

00:43:14.290 --> 00:43:15.040
 fighting for.

00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:19.720
 What's the matter with the

00:43:19.720 --> 00:43:22.520
 world today?

00:43:22.520 --> 00:43:25.760
 Land of the free, somebody lie.

00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:27.800
 They can blow my phone and

00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.720
 people round my home.

00:43:29.720 --> 00:43:32.140
 They'll only see you and me

00:43:32.140 --> 00:43:34.520
 naked, lying inside.

00:43:34.520 --> 00:43:37.300
 I just can't stop writing songs

00:43:37.300 --> 00:43:38.520
 about you.

00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:40.520
 I love you so much.

00:43:40.520 --> 00:43:43.870
 I just can't wait to get my

00:43:43.870 --> 00:43:46.520
 arms around you.

00:43:46.520 --> 00:43:48.520
 Maybe you'll touch it.

00:43:48.520 --> 00:43:52.700
 If I don't see you real soon,

00:43:52.700 --> 00:43:56.520
 baby girl, I might go insane.

00:43:56.520 --> 00:43:58.520
 Oh, crazy.

00:43:58.520 --> 00:44:00.760
 I know it's only been three

00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:02.520
 hours, but another when

00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:04.520
 you call my name.

00:44:04.520 --> 00:44:21.780
 Never seen the moon look so

00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:29.520
 lovely as the night I saw you.

00:44:30.520 --> 00:44:34.010
 Let me know I'd never seen the

00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.520
 moon before.

00:44:36.520 --> 00:44:39.520
 Never seen the moon before.

00:44:39.520 --> 00:44:43.580
 So many speak of the moon as

00:44:43.580 --> 00:44:47.520
 though it had no flaws.

00:44:47.520 --> 00:44:50.880
 But to compare it to a beauty

00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.410
 like yours, what you want to

00:44:54.410 --> 00:44:55.520
 fall.

00:44:55.520 --> 00:44:59.520
 Nothing about you is false.

00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:03.520
 That's why your love is real.

00:45:03.520 --> 00:45:06.520
 That's why your love is real.

00:45:06.520 --> 00:45:09.400
 God forbid, if you belong to

00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.520
 another, I'd have to stay here.

00:45:12.520 --> 00:45:16.520
 I might be tempted to break the

00:45:16.520 --> 00:45:17.520
 law.

00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:23.600
 Because your beauty gives it

00:45:23.600 --> 00:45:25.520
 one point.

00:45:25.520 --> 00:45:28.520
 It slows me down in time.

00:45:28.520 --> 00:45:30.580
 Just can't stop writing songs

00:45:30.580 --> 00:45:31.520
 about you.

00:45:31.520 --> 00:45:33.520
 I love you so much.

00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:36.870
 I just can't wait to get my

00:45:36.870 --> 00:45:39.520
 arms around you.

00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:42.520
 Maybe you'll touch it.

00:45:42.520 --> 00:45:46.010
 If I don't see you real soon,

00:45:46.010 --> 00:45:48.520
 baby girl, I might go insane.

00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:51.520
 Crazy.

00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:53.800
 No one's soul has been three

00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.340
 hours, but another when you

00:45:56.340 --> 00:45:57.520
 call my name.

00:45:57.520 --> 00:46:00.520
 Honey, what you call?

00:46:00.520 --> 00:46:04.520
 Call, call my name.

00:46:04.520 --> 00:46:15.520
 That's right.

00:46:15.520 --> 00:46:20.520
 And I love you.

00:46:20.520 --> 00:46:25.620
 So I don't know where we got

00:46:25.620 --> 00:46:28.990
 cut off, but my closing, I was

00:46:28.990 --> 00:46:30.520
 ready to sort of move on.

00:46:30.520 --> 00:46:33.280
 Except I was said that's why

00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.230
 everyone's so excited about the

00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:38.520
 podcasting thing is because

00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:40.860
 it's almost like a mathematical

00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:42.940
 thing is that for blogging to

00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:46.520
 really achieve its destiny,

00:46:46.520 --> 00:46:48.710
 it's got to have this element

00:46:48.710 --> 00:46:49.520
 to it too.

00:46:49.520 --> 00:46:52.690
 It's got to reach into the car

00:46:52.690 --> 00:46:55.220
 stereo and into, you know, when

00:46:55.220 --> 00:46:57.520
 you're away from your computer,

00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:59.520
 but you want that.

00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:01.200
 What was the guy from CBC who

00:47:01.200 --> 00:47:02.760
 pointed to him today and said

00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:04.520
 the reason why radio is so cool

00:47:04.520 --> 00:47:06.540
 is because it taps into your

00:47:06.540 --> 00:47:07.520
 imagination.

00:47:07.520 --> 00:47:09.600
 Exactly. Theater of the mind is

00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:10.520
 what we call it.

00:47:10.520 --> 00:47:12.520
 So true. Exactly.

00:47:12.520 --> 00:47:14.680
 So it feels good because this

00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:16.630
 is one of the checkboxes we

00:47:16.630 --> 00:47:17.520
 need to fill in.

00:47:17.520 --> 00:47:19.130
 We need to know how to do this

00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:20.250
 and we need to have a

00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:22.150
 distribution system for this

00:47:22.150 --> 00:47:23.520
 kind of expression.

00:47:23.520 --> 00:47:26.520
 So it's cool.

00:47:26.520 --> 00:47:28.520
 I think we'll pass the leading.

00:47:28.520 --> 00:47:31.780
 I think we'll have more flow

00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:34.670
 for the blogs than any

00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:38.520
 professional medium very soon.

00:47:38.520 --> 00:47:41.040
 Excellent. You know more than

00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:43.520
 we do, Dave. That's for sure.

00:47:43.520 --> 00:47:45.520
 Well, I don't know about that.

00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:47.260
 It's just to sort of like put

00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:48.780
 my finger in the wind and, you

00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:49.740
 know, wind it up a little bit

00:47:49.740 --> 00:47:51.520
 and see what it feels like.

00:47:51.520 --> 00:47:52.570
 Well, that's what you guys do

00:47:52.570 --> 00:47:53.520
 in Seattle in Holland.

00:47:53.520 --> 00:47:54.320
 We just put our finger in the

00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.520
 dike. You know, that's my job.

00:47:56.520 --> 00:47:58.520
 There you go.

00:47:58.520 --> 00:48:00.060
 So let's hear the theme song

00:48:00.060 --> 00:48:00.520
 now.

00:48:00.520 --> 00:48:02.520
 Let's get the fuck out of here.

00:48:02.520 --> 00:48:04.950
 All right, Dave, we'll talk to

00:48:04.950 --> 00:48:06.520
 you soon, buddy.

00:48:06.520 --> 00:48:08.520
 See you soon. Bye-bye.

00:48:08.520 --> 00:48:29.520
 [Music]