WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.560 ♪ Throw 'em up ♪ 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:03.080 ♪ Street secrets ♪ 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:03.920 ♪ Throw 'em up ♪ 00:00:03.920 --> 00:00:04.760 ♪ Throw 'em up ♪ 00:00:04.760 --> 00:00:06.600 ♪ Street secrets now ♪ 00:00:06.600 --> 00:00:08.050 Hi everybody, welcome to Trade 00:00:08.050 --> 00:00:08.640 Secrets. 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.360 Today is Wednesday, October 6th 00:00:10.360 --> 00:00:11.400 , 2004. 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.240 I'm Adam Curry in Belgium. 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:15.640 Dave Weiner here in Seattle. 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:17.350 And you're sounding mighty fine 00:00:17.350 --> 00:00:18.200 , my friend. 00:00:18.200 --> 00:00:19.040 Thank you. 00:00:19.040 --> 00:00:20.400 Yeah, yeah. 00:00:20.400 --> 00:00:21.240 So-- 00:00:21.240 --> 00:00:22.080 We like it. 00:00:22.080 --> 00:00:22.920 Yeah, we like it, man. 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:23.760 We like it very much. 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:24.600 How you doing, Dave? 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:25.920 Pretty good. 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:26.760 Yeah? 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:27.600 Pretty good. 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:28.730 We had a debate last night and 00:00:28.730 --> 00:00:29.800 it was kind of, 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.200 it was weird, but you know, 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:33.400 interesting times. 00:00:33.400 --> 00:00:35.960 I didn't see the debate because 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:36.720 it was, 00:00:36.720 --> 00:00:38.360 you know, it was another 3 AM 00:00:38.360 --> 00:00:39.120 deal for me here 00:00:39.120 --> 00:00:40.440 if I wanted to see it. 00:00:40.440 --> 00:00:41.460 And I was actually, I was kind 00:00:41.460 --> 00:00:42.120 of hoping you were gonna do 00:00:42.120 --> 00:00:43.640 another one of your, you know, 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:44.880 let's listen along to Dave 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.040 comment on the debate. 00:00:47.040 --> 00:00:49.080 Oh, listen, then you would have 00:00:49.080 --> 00:00:50.360 heard was me snoring 00:00:50.360 --> 00:00:51.350 'cause it really put me to 00:00:51.350 --> 00:00:51.800 sleep. 00:00:51.800 --> 00:00:52.720 Really, it was that bad? 00:00:52.720 --> 00:00:53.760 It was boring. 00:00:53.760 --> 00:00:55.240 It wasn't that it was that bad, 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.770 it was just that it wore on you 00:00:57.770 --> 00:00:58.120 . 00:00:58.120 --> 00:00:59.960 I mean, they were extremely 00:00:59.960 --> 00:01:02.760 belligerent and, you know, 00:01:02.760 --> 00:01:04.270 and I think that they had pre 00:01:04.270 --> 00:01:05.760 pped Edwards basically 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.230 that, you know, Chaney's gonna 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:08.560 be this grouchy old dude, 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.720 so you have to turn the grouch 00:01:10.720 --> 00:01:12.400 iness up yourself. 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:13.660 And so they were both sort of 00:01:13.660 --> 00:01:14.040 like, 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.330 you know, whining at each other 00:01:15.330 --> 00:01:15.360 . 00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:16.800 (laughing) 00:01:16.800 --> 00:01:17.640 Okay, so-- 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:18.680 And it was like, it got old 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:19.320 after a while, 00:01:19.320 --> 00:01:20.440 it was like, "Oh, okay, great, 00:01:20.440 --> 00:01:21.680 so you guys don't like each 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:22.760 other, I get it." 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.760 So no fireworks, no-- 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:26.400 Yeah, well, there was actually 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.280 more fireworks 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:28.480 than this one than in the 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:29.400 presidential one, 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.140 but the presidential one was 00:01:31.140 --> 00:01:31.960 sort of like, 00:01:31.960 --> 00:01:32.890 you're sitting on the edge of 00:01:32.890 --> 00:01:34.080 your chair the whole time. 00:01:34.080 --> 00:01:35.150 Yeah, because it's so 00:01:35.150 --> 00:01:36.040 presidential. 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:37.120 You know, they're gonna be, 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:38.070 well, they're gonna be some 00:01:38.070 --> 00:01:39.280 just great mixes 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:40.440 coming out of that one. 00:01:40.440 --> 00:01:41.800 (laughing) 00:01:41.800 --> 00:01:42.640 Oh yeah. 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:43.480 Oh yeah. 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:44.320 There were. 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:45.280 It's so cool. 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:46.120 Did you ever chance to listen 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.080 to the source code today yet? 00:01:48.080 --> 00:01:48.920 Haven't, no. 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:50.350 Okay, 'cause I found another 00:01:50.350 --> 00:01:50.680 one, 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:52.210 I found a great song which was 00:01:52.210 --> 00:01:53.320 "Trigger Happy," 00:01:53.320 --> 00:01:54.520 and it's a real song, you know, 00:01:54.520 --> 00:01:56.120 well produced and everything. 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:56.960 Another-- 00:01:56.960 --> 00:01:57.800 Yeah, another-- 00:01:57.800 --> 00:01:59.840 I'm still, I would lag you by 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:00.120 about, 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:01.700 generally these days by about 00:02:01.700 --> 00:02:02.480 24 hours, 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:04.360 so I'm really up on the Peter 00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:05.240 Sellers singing, 00:02:05.240 --> 00:02:06.690 "She loves you," I got that one 00:02:06.690 --> 00:02:06.880 . 00:02:06.880 --> 00:02:07.800 Yeah, that was a classic, 00:02:07.800 --> 00:02:08.280 actually. 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:09.870 That was, I've heard that one 00:02:09.870 --> 00:02:10.100 before, 00:02:10.100 --> 00:02:11.600 but it just kind of fell into 00:02:11.600 --> 00:02:12.320 my iPod the other day. 00:02:12.320 --> 00:02:13.570 Now that wasn't really Peter 00:02:13.570 --> 00:02:14.920 Sellers, was it, or? 00:02:14.920 --> 00:02:17.250 I know that Peter Sellers did 00:02:17.250 --> 00:02:19.040 an album like that. 00:02:19.040 --> 00:02:19.880 He also did-- 00:02:19.880 --> 00:02:21.400 I think that was-- 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:22.460 Yeah, I think it was, yeah, he 00:02:22.460 --> 00:02:23.560 did "Hard Days Night," 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.290 he did, what was it, does she 00:02:26.290 --> 00:02:26.680 loves you, 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:28.020 and she also did, he also did " 00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:29.480 Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds," 00:02:29.480 --> 00:02:30.320 in the same-- 00:02:30.320 --> 00:02:31.160 No, no. 00:02:31.160 --> 00:02:32.360 Yeah, yeah, I'll look it up 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:33.080 online later. 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:34.130 Are you sure that wasn't 00:02:34.130 --> 00:02:35.600 William Shatner, he did-- 00:02:35.600 --> 00:02:37.160 He did exactly the same, he did 00:02:37.160 --> 00:02:38.720 exactly the same, yeah. 00:02:38.720 --> 00:02:39.720 He did "Lucy in the Sky with 00:02:39.720 --> 00:02:40.280 Diamonds," 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:41.730 I don't think he did "Hard Days 00:02:41.730 --> 00:02:42.320 Night." 00:02:42.320 --> 00:02:43.640 (laughing) 00:02:43.640 --> 00:02:45.580 Why are we discussing the disc 00:02:45.580 --> 00:02:47.640 ography of William Shatner? 00:02:47.640 --> 00:02:48.760 (laughing) 00:02:48.760 --> 00:02:49.600 Oh man. 00:02:49.600 --> 00:02:50.600 Listen, it was really funny, 00:02:50.600 --> 00:02:51.650 I heard an interview with 00:02:51.650 --> 00:02:52.400 William Shatner, 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:53.760 I think I was like in Tennessee 00:02:53.760 --> 00:02:53.760 , 00:02:53.760 --> 00:02:55.280 it was on a drive across 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:55.880 country, 00:02:55.880 --> 00:02:59.000 and the funny thing about it 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:00.880 was, is that he was serious, 00:03:00.880 --> 00:03:01.800 and he's-- 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:02.640 He's deadly serious. 00:03:02.640 --> 00:03:03.890 William's kinda cool, everybody 00:03:03.890 --> 00:03:04.400 's making fun of it, 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.360 but he thought he was adding 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.440 something to the culture. 00:03:08.440 --> 00:03:09.570 Do you know what his big thing 00:03:09.570 --> 00:03:09.720 is, 00:03:09.720 --> 00:03:11.120 you know what he's really into? 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:12.120 'Cause I know him, I've met him 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:12.280 a couple, 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:13.960 I've interviewed him. 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:15.120 His big thing is horses. 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:15.960 No kidding, really. 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:16.800 Yeah, and he has a web blog, 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.640 his daughter keeps a web blog, 00:03:18.640 --> 00:03:21.200 BillShatner.com, and it's 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:22.760 current every single day, 00:03:22.760 --> 00:03:24.030 and it's about, you know, Bill 00:03:24.030 --> 00:03:24.920 's appearances, 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:26.810 Bill's horses, yeah, it's 00:03:26.810 --> 00:03:27.680 really good. 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:29.120 How about it? 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:29.960 Sorry? 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:31.380 Have it like a category for his 00:03:31.380 --> 00:03:31.760 hair, 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:32.920 does it have a category for his 00:03:32.920 --> 00:03:33.280 hair? 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:34.550 Why is it people who are losing 00:03:34.550 --> 00:03:35.080 their hair 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:36.060 that are always ragging on 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:36.800 people's hair? 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.240 You know, what's up with that? 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:39.480 (laughing) 00:03:39.480 --> 00:03:40.590 Listen, we're all losing our 00:03:40.590 --> 00:03:40.960 hair. 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:42.120 Yeah, I know. 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:42.960 I'm doing okay. 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:43.800 I know you, I'm doing okay. 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:45.800 (laughing) 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:47.200 All excepting yours, Julie, 00:03:47.200 --> 00:03:47.760 that's true. 00:03:47.760 --> 00:03:49.270 You were blessed with 00:03:49.270 --> 00:03:51.560 incredible hair, I know. 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:52.920 I'm lucky that way, boy. 00:03:52.920 --> 00:03:54.240 So. 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.400 Well, it reminds me of the time 00:03:56.400 --> 00:03:57.560 in 2000, 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:58.920 you and I were walking 00:03:58.920 --> 00:04:00.240 somewhere in Greenwich Village, 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.030 coming out of some blier's or 00:04:02.030 --> 00:04:02.680 whatever, 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:04.780 and you said, you know, all ge 00:04:04.780 --> 00:04:05.720 eks like you and me, 00:04:05.720 --> 00:04:07.530 and I stopped, I had to look at 00:04:07.530 --> 00:04:08.400 , come on, Adam, 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:10.120 you're not a geek. 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:10.960 No, I remember very well. 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.130 I think it was sort of like, it 00:04:13.130 --> 00:04:15.640 was like, you know, 00:04:15.640 --> 00:04:16.680 I don't know, whatever. 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:17.520 No, I remember this. 00:04:17.520 --> 00:04:20.160 I remember this, I remember. 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:22.150 And it was, it was such a let 00:04:22.150 --> 00:04:22.480 down, 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:23.700 because at that point I was 00:04:23.700 --> 00:04:24.080 like, 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:25.380 oh man, I'm hanging with the 00:04:25.380 --> 00:04:26.120 real geeks now. 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:26.770 And then all of a sudden it's 00:04:26.770 --> 00:04:27.720 like, no, 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:28.720 you can't be a part of our 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:29.400 little team. 00:04:29.400 --> 00:04:31.600 It's funny, the grass is always 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.280 greener, isn't it? 00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:34.120 Yeah. 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:35.720 I mean, like you're a TV star, 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:37.320 you're a TV star. 00:04:37.320 --> 00:04:38.480 Somebody needs to tell you that 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.920 , you're a TV star. 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:42.560 Everybody now, yeah. 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.520 You need to hear that. 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:45.340 You know, video killed the 00:04:45.340 --> 00:04:47.040 radio star though, Dave, 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.280 you know that, right? 00:04:48.280 --> 00:04:49.370 I heard that one, I heard that 00:04:49.370 --> 00:04:49.680 one. 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.320 So the radio industry is tuning 00:04:52.320 --> 00:04:53.600 into podcasts. 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:54.800 They're waking up, sure. 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.160 It's really a thing. 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.450 Yeah, that NAB prediction that 00:04:58.450 --> 00:04:59.080 you made, 00:04:59.080 --> 00:05:01.050 well, we saw a newsletter, and 00:05:01.050 --> 00:05:02.320 at the top of that newsletter, 00:05:02.320 --> 00:05:03.390 I forget which, you leaked to 00:05:03.390 --> 00:05:03.960 it, right? 00:05:03.960 --> 00:05:05.470 Yeah, it's the radio and 00:05:05.470 --> 00:05:06.840 internet newsletter, 00:05:06.840 --> 00:05:07.920 that's what it was. 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.730 Exactly, and at the top of the 00:05:10.730 --> 00:05:11.320 thing, 00:05:11.320 --> 00:05:12.680 he says, if you're gonna be at 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:13.160 the NAB, 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:14.690 in fact, I'm watching CNN right 00:05:14.690 --> 00:05:14.920 now, 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:16.080 and they're at the NAB. 00:05:16.080 --> 00:05:16.920 At the NAB. 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:18.160 First Limbaugh is giving a 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:18.720 speech. 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:19.560 Yeah. 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.240 Hey, y'all wanna buy some pills 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:21.800 for me? 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.440 Oh, yeah, yeah, I would 00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:25.800 actually. 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:27.320 (laughing) 00:05:27.320 --> 00:05:28.500 Oh, Patricia has some great 00:05:28.500 --> 00:05:28.920 pills. 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:30.220 I tell you this, Patricia has 00:05:30.220 --> 00:05:30.760 some great pills. 00:05:30.760 --> 00:05:31.880 Yeah, actually, that's what 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:32.760 they're talking about, 00:05:32.760 --> 00:05:34.080 Adam, they're talking about. 00:05:34.080 --> 00:05:35.400 Exactly that. 00:05:35.400 --> 00:05:36.960 Yeah, Patricia has some great 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:38.320 pills that she's gonna try. 00:05:38.320 --> 00:05:40.520 Medical records, what? 00:05:40.520 --> 00:05:42.330 Record seizure did not affect 00:05:42.330 --> 00:05:43.800 Limbaugh's privacy. 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:44.640 Wow, wonderful. 00:05:44.640 --> 00:05:46.480 What did they say? 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:47.800 He's going to hang out with 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:48.600 Martha Stewart. 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:49.680 (laughing) 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.160 Play some golf with Martha. 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:52.400 (laughing) 00:05:52.400 --> 00:05:54.160 I was gonna say, Patricia has 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:55.360 some great pills 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:56.960 for all the heart trouble, 00:05:56.960 --> 00:05:58.240 and I gotta find out what the 00:05:58.240 --> 00:05:58.720 name is, 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.150 but she says, you take one of 00:06:00.150 --> 00:06:00.400 those, 00:06:00.400 --> 00:06:01.720 and if you have any anxiety, 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:03.350 just remove the anxiety, it's 00:06:03.350 --> 00:06:04.180 wonderful. 00:06:04.180 --> 00:06:06.640 That's gotta be Xanax. 00:06:06.640 --> 00:06:09.040 Xanax, that's it, Xanax, yeah. 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:10.040 Yeah. 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:10.960 Yeah, oh well. 00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:13.190 Yeah, you could tell when they 00:06:13.190 --> 00:06:14.760 gave Bill Clinton the Xanax, 00:06:14.760 --> 00:06:15.760 so he was in there pretty. 00:06:15.760 --> 00:06:16.760 He got real mellow. 00:06:16.760 --> 00:06:18.320 Back-up surgery. 00:06:18.320 --> 00:06:19.920 Yeah, he wasn't worried about 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:20.640 anything. 00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:22.160 He stopped calling Larry King 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:22.800 at that point. 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.200 (laughing) 00:06:24.200 --> 00:06:27.040 He sort of let it all go. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:28.200 Exactly, exactly. 00:06:28.200 --> 00:06:29.570 Gary Bush, what's the 00:06:29.570 --> 00:06:30.560 difference? 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:31.880 Yeah. 00:06:31.880 --> 00:06:32.720 Oh yeah. 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.360 Okay, so. 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.150 So is this lag, and I hear an 00:06:37.150 --> 00:06:37.600 echo? 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:39.070 There's an echo, and I hear a 00:06:39.070 --> 00:06:39.440 lag, 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:41.450 so it's like, this is choppy 00:06:41.450 --> 00:06:41.960 today. 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:42.800 Really? 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.200 Okay, I don't have an echo. 00:06:44.200 --> 00:06:45.120 You're coming through fine, 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:46.600 but what we really wanted to 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.560 try and set up, 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:48.680 which I would have loved, 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.370 is to have you record your 00:06:50.370 --> 00:06:52.200 voice locally on MP3, 00:06:52.200 --> 00:06:53.320 and then just send me the file, 00:06:53.320 --> 00:06:54.360 and I wanted to sync them up, 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:55.840 but couldn't get that to work. 00:06:55.840 --> 00:06:58.720 I hate that, I hate that. 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.450 No, that's the story of my life 00:07:00.450 --> 00:07:00.720 . 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:01.870 That's the story of my life, 00:07:01.870 --> 00:07:02.240 Adam. 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:03.080 We couldn't get it to work. 00:07:03.080 --> 00:07:03.920 Couldn't get it to work? 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:04.760 We couldn't hook up. 00:07:04.760 --> 00:07:06.930 That's what it's gonna, that's 00:07:06.930 --> 00:07:07.560 my epitaph. 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.820 It's gonna save that on my tomb 00:07:08.820 --> 00:07:09.280 stone. 00:07:09.280 --> 00:07:10.600 He couldn't get it to work. 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:11.560 (laughing) 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:12.680 It didn't work. 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.080 (laughing) 00:07:14.080 --> 00:07:14.920 It didn't work. 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.760 (laughing) 00:07:16.760 --> 00:07:18.160 No, that's great. 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:19.640 Yeah, well, yeah. 00:07:19.640 --> 00:07:20.480 So I heard you a bit about-- 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:21.370 At least you could have a good 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:22.000 laugh about it. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:23.890 Yeah, I heard you a bit about 00:07:23.890 --> 00:07:24.480 security 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:25.520 on the morning coffee nose. 00:07:25.520 --> 00:07:26.800 By the way, good morning coffee 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:27.200 nose. 00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:28.380 Your best ones are done at late 00:07:28.380 --> 00:07:29.840 at night, I think. 00:07:29.840 --> 00:07:30.680 It was-- 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:31.680 Yeah, isn't that funny how that 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:32.040 works? 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:33.040 Yeah, no, it was good, 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.400 but the whole bit about privacy 00:07:35.400 --> 00:07:35.400 , 00:07:35.400 --> 00:07:36.960 and it was just, I played a bit 00:07:36.960 --> 00:07:37.680 on the source code, 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:39.360 'cause it was, you know, 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:40.440 the stuff you don't think about 00:07:40.440 --> 00:07:40.480 , 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:44.040 you get so easy with your data, 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:45.580 and you forget about it. 00:07:45.580 --> 00:07:46.680 You forget what's going on, 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:48.480 and shit starts to happen. 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:49.320 Not me. 00:07:49.320 --> 00:07:50.690 I'm doing all my banking on the 00:07:50.690 --> 00:07:51.440 internet now, 00:07:51.440 --> 00:07:52.590 and I don't even know if I 00:07:52.590 --> 00:07:53.440 wanna say that 00:07:53.440 --> 00:07:56.520 on a podcast. 00:07:56.520 --> 00:07:57.440 Don't worry, we're not gonna 00:07:57.440 --> 00:07:58.240 tell anyone else. 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.760 But yeah, sure. 00:08:00.760 --> 00:08:02.680 But the security is appalling 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.360 on these machines, you know? 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:06.200 And-- 00:08:06.200 --> 00:08:07.560 How does your bank do security? 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:08.560 I just got an email. 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.680 Huh! 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:11.520 Huh! 00:08:11.520 --> 00:08:12.600 (laughing) 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:13.600 I laugh, I mean. 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:14.600 Yeah. 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.540 You know, it's got so many 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:18.380 holes in it, it's ridiculous. 00:08:18.380 --> 00:08:21.460 And then today is really funny. 00:08:21.460 --> 00:08:22.700 After recording that piece, 00:08:22.700 --> 00:08:25.950 I got a spam that somehow rout 00:08:25.950 --> 00:08:27.020 ed itself 00:08:27.020 --> 00:08:28.570 to my friend's mailbox, so I 00:08:28.570 --> 00:08:29.640 actually saw it. 00:08:29.640 --> 00:08:33.490 And they were offering me 10 00:08:33.490 --> 00:08:35.260 free Visa Mastercard numbers 00:08:35.260 --> 00:08:36.940 if I joined this site. 00:08:36.940 --> 00:08:38.660 In other words, this was a, 00:08:38.660 --> 00:08:39.180 yeah, 00:08:39.180 --> 00:08:40.480 they said, "No, you can have 10 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:40.820 for free, 00:08:40.820 --> 00:08:41.740 "and then you'd have to pay 00:08:41.740 --> 00:08:42.340 after that." 00:08:42.340 --> 00:08:43.800 You know, it's sort of like, oh 00:08:43.800 --> 00:08:44.460 , cool. 00:08:44.460 --> 00:08:45.920 Oh, don't worry, I think I can 00:08:45.920 --> 00:08:46.680 withdraw enough 00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:47.680 to pay for that. 00:08:47.680 --> 00:08:49.760 Yeah, right. 00:08:49.760 --> 00:08:51.530 So the next thing is gonna be 00:08:51.530 --> 00:08:52.280 body parts. 00:08:52.280 --> 00:08:53.120 Yeah. 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:54.440 Well, I do online banking, 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.600 and my bank has a card reader. 00:08:58.600 --> 00:08:59.840 You put your bank card in, it 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:01.640 gives you a challenge string, 00:09:01.640 --> 00:09:03.310 which is kind of the way I'm 00:09:03.310 --> 00:09:03.840 used to doing it 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.600 from the old Unix days. 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:06.570 And then you type that 00:09:06.570 --> 00:09:07.520 challenge string in, 00:09:07.520 --> 00:09:08.360 and then you're in. 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:09.520 So there's a separate 00:09:09.520 --> 00:09:10.920 authentication process 00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:11.760 step in the middle. 00:09:11.760 --> 00:09:12.960 You don't have that with your 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:13.360 bank? 00:09:14.340 --> 00:09:16.660 No, none of that. 00:09:16.660 --> 00:09:17.500 Oh, really? 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:18.340 Yeah. 00:09:18.340 --> 00:09:19.840 No. 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:20.680 That doesn't sound good. 00:09:20.680 --> 00:09:22.500 I mean, I've tried to put rules 00:09:22.500 --> 00:09:23.440 on the other end 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:25.250 where I've said to them, if 00:09:25.250 --> 00:09:26.880 there's anything other 00:09:26.880 --> 00:09:29.100 than this exact amount transfer 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:29.260 , 00:09:29.260 --> 00:09:31.220 I mean, I've got two accounts, 00:09:31.220 --> 00:09:31.860 right? 00:09:31.860 --> 00:09:33.850 One is where, you know, is a 00:09:33.850 --> 00:09:35.200 brokerage account 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:36.700 where I keep most of my money, 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:37.220 right? 00:09:37.220 --> 00:09:38.250 And then the other one is my 00:09:38.250 --> 00:09:39.040 checking account 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:40.280 where I write checks from, you 00:09:40.280 --> 00:09:40.680 know? 00:09:40.680 --> 00:09:42.260 And so that's, again, and you 00:09:42.260 --> 00:09:43.800 know, I transfer money 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:46.130 from the brokerage account into 00:09:46.130 --> 00:09:47.040 the regular account 00:09:47.040 --> 00:09:49.210 on a fairly, you know, regular 00:09:49.210 --> 00:09:49.920 basis. 00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:51.320 And I've tried to tell them at 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:52.160 the brokerage account, 00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:54.390 never accept a transaction for 00:09:54.390 --> 00:09:55.120 anything other 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.640 than this exact amount. 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:57.480 Right. 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:58.280 And if it's anything, just 00:09:58.280 --> 00:09:58.680 reject it. 00:09:58.680 --> 00:10:00.480 Well, I tested it. 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:02.160 Yeah, it doesn't work, does it? 00:10:02.160 --> 00:10:03.120 No. 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:04.040 They're perfectly happy to 00:10:04.040 --> 00:10:05.410 transfer whatever amount I have 00:10:05.410 --> 00:10:05.800 . 00:10:05.800 --> 00:10:07.380 But you know, you just leave 00:10:07.380 --> 00:10:08.000 your money 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.120 in your investment account, and 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.640 it'll dwindle all by itself. 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:13.280 You don't have to do anything. 00:10:13.280 --> 00:10:15.160 Well, no, I haven't invested. 00:10:15.160 --> 00:10:15.720 Are you kidding? 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:16.920 What do you mean it'll dwindle? 00:10:16.920 --> 00:10:17.920 I'm doing really well. 00:10:17.920 --> 00:10:18.520 Really? 00:10:18.520 --> 00:10:20.080 Oh, OK. 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:21.210 Yeah, yeah, I'm making shit 00:10:21.210 --> 00:10:21.960 loads of money. 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:23.480 I mean, I mean, I have also 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:25.080 lost shit loads of money. 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.570 I mean, it all kind of evens 00:10:26.570 --> 00:10:27.560 out in the end. 00:10:27.560 --> 00:10:29.140 But actually, net net, I'm 00:10:29.140 --> 00:10:29.920 making money. 00:10:29.920 --> 00:10:31.080 This year, actually, it's been 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:31.560 really good. 00:10:31.560 --> 00:10:32.630 Yeah, I haven't been in the 00:10:32.630 --> 00:10:35.840 market for three years. 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:36.120 Really? 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:36.760 So what do you do? 00:10:36.760 --> 00:10:38.120 You just keep it under your 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:39.400 pillow or something? 00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:42.360 I'm sitting on it right now. 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:42.840 Really? 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:44.080 You just keep it in your ass. 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:45.080 OK, that's cool. 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:46.090 Right there with the steel rod, 00:10:46.090 --> 00:10:46.440 right? 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.520 It's a real tight wad, man. 00:10:48.520 --> 00:10:52.080 So that was good, that bit you 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:53.000 did. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.830 I mean, I can see the whole iP 00:10:54.830 --> 00:10:55.080 od, 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:56.390 our thing is developing really, 00:10:56.390 --> 00:10:57.200 really nicely now. 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:58.800 The directory looks great. 00:10:58.800 --> 00:11:00.050 I have to link to the directory 00:11:00.050 --> 00:11:00.880 today so everybody 00:11:00.880 --> 00:11:01.680 can see what the other side is. 00:11:01.680 --> 00:11:03.040 I was thinking. 00:11:03.040 --> 00:11:04.760 I wanted it to look better. 00:11:04.760 --> 00:11:07.090 Maybe I should ask-- give Brian 00:11:07.090 --> 00:11:08.120 Bell an assignment 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.600 to come up with a nice theme. 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:12.400 This looks so-- 00:11:12.400 --> 00:11:12.960 You know? 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.080 Well, that would be cool. 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.650 Brian's time is hard to come by 00:11:17.650 --> 00:11:17.880 . 00:11:17.880 --> 00:11:19.020 But of course, his work is 00:11:19.020 --> 00:11:20.120 absolutely the best. 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:21.280 Yeah, I love what he does. 00:11:21.280 --> 00:11:22.460 But he does it commercially, 00:11:22.460 --> 00:11:22.880 right? 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:25.160 He does themes. 00:11:25.160 --> 00:11:26.010 He does those for a living or 00:11:26.010 --> 00:11:26.960 doesn't do that anymore? 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.560 I thought he did that. 00:11:29.560 --> 00:11:30.400 I didn't. 00:11:30.400 --> 00:11:31.640 Well, I don't want to-- 00:11:31.640 --> 00:11:32.840 I can't speak for Brian. 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.320 I mean, basically, I don't know 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:36.400 . 00:11:36.400 --> 00:11:38.020 He did the white on our injects 00:11:38.020 --> 00:11:38.760 and L button 00:11:38.760 --> 00:11:40.280 that has become so ubiquitous. 00:11:40.280 --> 00:11:41.040 Yeah, that's cool. 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:42.120 I said to him, Brian, give me 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:42.560 something. 00:11:42.560 --> 00:11:43.890 Give me something that'll 00:11:43.890 --> 00:11:45.800 represent my RFS feed. 00:11:45.800 --> 00:11:46.280 Right. 00:11:46.280 --> 00:11:48.150 And then he asked us some basic 00:11:48.150 --> 00:11:48.920 parameters. 00:11:48.920 --> 00:11:49.720 And I gave them to him. 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:51.800 And being nuts, it came back. 00:11:51.800 --> 00:11:53.750 And now it's the standard that 00:11:53.750 --> 00:11:55.800 everybody's fucking with. 00:11:55.800 --> 00:11:58.560 Yeah, from Apple to-- 00:11:58.560 --> 00:11:59.920 You name it. 00:11:59.920 --> 00:12:00.560 Oh, Apple. 00:12:00.560 --> 00:12:01.140 Well, yeah, Apple's fucking 00:12:01.140 --> 00:12:01.400 with it. 00:12:01.400 --> 00:12:02.440 Yeah, they changed the colors. 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:03.910 You know, they changed the 00:12:03.910 --> 00:12:04.520 colors. 00:12:04.520 --> 00:12:05.680 Yeah, fuck that shit. 00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:06.000 Right. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:06.930 So I was talking with the 00:12:06.930 --> 00:12:07.880 Microsoft guys 00:12:07.880 --> 00:12:08.960 the other night. 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:10.730 And they were asking me, what's 00:12:10.730 --> 00:12:13.040 going on with Google and Yahoo 00:12:13.040 --> 00:12:14.120 and the rest of those guys? 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.800 And I said, it's really funny. 00:12:15.800 --> 00:12:19.550 But the techies are the ones 00:12:19.550 --> 00:12:21.800 that basically-- 00:12:21.800 --> 00:12:24.680 Zigg when I asked them the zag. 00:12:24.680 --> 00:12:26.170 But the publishing industry 00:12:26.170 --> 00:12:27.360 goes straight down 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:28.240 the middle of the road. 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:29.280 They don't innovate. 00:12:29.280 --> 00:12:30.920 They don't-- they just 00:12:30.920 --> 00:12:32.370 basically are being really 00:12:32.370 --> 00:12:32.960 compatible. 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.470 And I said, Microsoft's been 00:12:34.470 --> 00:12:35.600 one of the biggest supporters 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:36.480 of this. 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:37.360 And Apple has too. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:38.660 I mean, Apple's RSS has been 00:12:38.660 --> 00:12:39.360 exemplary. 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.000 It's been really cool. 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.280 Azure has Microsoft. 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:47.040 And so he asked about that. 00:12:47.040 --> 00:12:48.080 I said, don't you change. 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.400 Don't even think about change. 00:12:50.400 --> 00:12:51.750 But it's funny how that works 00:12:51.750 --> 00:12:52.080 out. 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.640 I mean, engineers just-- 00:12:53.640 --> 00:12:55.890 whatever reason-- you know, the 00:12:55.890 --> 00:12:56.560 big picture is, hey, 00:12:56.560 --> 00:12:58.020 we'd all be a lot better off if 00:12:58.020 --> 00:13:00.120 we did this sit the same way 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.740 and that we competed on the 00:13:01.740 --> 00:13:03.040 basis of the quality of our 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:03.560 service 00:13:03.560 --> 00:13:05.310 and our innovation in other 00:13:05.310 --> 00:13:05.960 areas. 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:07.720 But somehow that big picture-- 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.120 it's a shortcut they can use. 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.190 And so you end up with Google 00:13:11.190 --> 00:13:11.920 offering 00:13:11.920 --> 00:13:14.150 Adam feeds for Gmail, but not R 00:13:14.150 --> 00:13:15.040 SS feeds. 00:13:15.040 --> 00:13:18.960 Interesting that Evan left, huh 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:18.960 ? 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:19.460 Yeah. 00:13:19.460 --> 00:13:20.000 And you know what? 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:21.340 After the left, he signed up 00:13:21.340 --> 00:13:22.240 for BligerCon. 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.330 So maybe there's some for the 00:13:24.330 --> 00:13:25.000 world. 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:26.360 I mean, I still try to figure 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.600 out what the hell happened 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:28.760 there. 00:13:28.760 --> 00:13:30.370 Why all of a sudden do they 00:13:30.370 --> 00:13:32.560 become so hostile to RSS at 00:13:32.560 --> 00:13:32.920 Google? 00:13:32.920 --> 00:13:34.840 And what's the upside? 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:35.960 Why? 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:37.710 What do they get for being such 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:39.280 jerks about this stuff? 00:13:39.280 --> 00:13:40.800 And I don't know. 00:13:40.800 --> 00:13:41.800 I mean, I have a new rule, by 00:13:41.800 --> 00:13:42.120 the way, 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.330 that every time I mention the 00:13:43.330 --> 00:13:43.880 name Google, 00:13:43.880 --> 00:13:46.610 I have to put $100 in a jar 00:13:46.610 --> 00:13:47.400 somewhere. 00:13:47.400 --> 00:13:48.160 Oh, boy. 00:13:48.160 --> 00:13:49.160 It's a joke, Adam. 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:49.840 That's a joke. 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:51.090 Well, no, I was going to send 00:13:51.090 --> 00:13:53.160 you my paper. 00:13:53.160 --> 00:13:54.200 Just drop it in my tip jar 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:55.000 there, Dave. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:55.760 No problem. 00:13:55.760 --> 00:13:56.640 We'll accept it. 00:13:56.640 --> 00:13:57.240 Oh, cool. 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.640 We'll accept it from you. 00:13:59.640 --> 00:14:00.830 Actually, it reminds me of 00:14:00.830 --> 00:14:01.280 money. 00:14:01.280 --> 00:14:02.130 We're going to have to start 00:14:02.130 --> 00:14:03.400 raising money for BligerCon 00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:03.920 pretty soon. 00:14:03.920 --> 00:14:05.600 Yeah, you're going to do a 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:07.320 PayPal thing for that? 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:07.920 I am. 00:14:07.920 --> 00:14:10.390 And I just was working on in 00:14:10.390 --> 00:14:13.080 the last hour an RSVP page 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:14.980 where people who aren't going 00:14:14.980 --> 00:14:15.960 to be able to make it 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:17.100 will be able to say, hey, I'm 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:17.320 not 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:18.660 going to be able to make it so 00:14:18.660 --> 00:14:19.720 that we can make room for 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:20.080 people 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.270 who are going to be able to 00:14:21.270 --> 00:14:23.010 make it and really want to come 00:14:23.010 --> 00:14:23.280 . 00:14:23.280 --> 00:14:24.140 And we're going to juggle 00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:24.560 things. 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:25.650 I think we actually will put 00:14:25.650 --> 00:14:26.120 something 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:27.630 opposite the podcasting session 00:14:27.630 --> 00:14:28.240 now. 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.000 Because the question is, will 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:31.440 more than 160 people 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.520 show up at that time? 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:35.700 And the answer is, yeah, there 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:36.400 probably 00:14:36.400 --> 00:14:37.960 will be more than 160 people. 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:39.410 And rather than having them 00:14:39.410 --> 00:14:40.560 standing out in the hall 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:41.500 making a lot of trouble, let's 00:14:41.500 --> 00:14:42.440 give them something to do. 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:44.840 Is how many people can sit in a 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:46.680 room for a session? 00:14:46.680 --> 00:14:48.840 Well, I have on the grid, which 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:54.560 is at www.bligercon.org/iii/sch 00:14:54.560 --> 00:14:55.160 edule. 00:14:55.160 --> 00:14:56.840 If you look at that, in the 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.080 left-hand margin, 00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:59.460 the rooms are listed and the 00:14:59.460 --> 00:15:01.280 capacities are also listed. 00:15:01.280 --> 00:15:02.780 So I'll bring these up and I'll 00:15:02.780 --> 00:15:04.080 answer your question. 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.300 I'm not going to fire up any 00:15:06.300 --> 00:15:07.480 browsers. 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.320 Yeah, that's a good idea. 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.440 Well, I guess I'm firing up the 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:13.320 browsers. 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.520 You were talking about-- just 00:15:15.520 --> 00:15:16.360 going back a second, 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.630 you were talking about how we 00:15:18.630 --> 00:15:20.120 should have all this stuff work 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:20.920 the same. 00:15:20.920 --> 00:15:23.880 And it hit me last night. 00:15:23.880 --> 00:15:25.590 I saw that someone had made a 00:15:25.590 --> 00:15:27.520 podcast icon 00:15:27.520 --> 00:15:30.080 that you could attach your RSS 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:30.800 feed to, 00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:33.660 so just like an XML icon, which 00:15:33.660 --> 00:15:34.440 is, of course, 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:35.240 a really good idea. 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.150 But then we bumped into the 00:15:37.150 --> 00:15:41.000 holy grail of web logs 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.180 where we can't have one uniform 00:15:44.180 --> 00:15:45.600 podcast icon 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:46.900 if we're expecting it to auto-s 00:15:46.900 --> 00:15:47.320 ubscribe 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:49.340 since we have 15 different iPod 00:15:49.340 --> 00:15:50.560 or engines out there. 00:15:50.560 --> 00:15:52.590 And that's going to be my next 00:15:52.590 --> 00:15:54.160 call to the community, 00:15:54.160 --> 00:15:55.170 the iPod or development 00:15:55.170 --> 00:15:55.640 community, 00:15:55.640 --> 00:15:57.610 is can we come up with a 00:15:57.610 --> 00:15:59.440 standardized subscription 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.670 mechanism so we can actually 00:16:02.670 --> 00:16:05.240 have a podcast icon? 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:06.270 You know, that's the same 00:16:06.270 --> 00:16:08.840 problem that RSS has. 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:10.160 And I'm getting the echoes 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:11.720 really bad right now, so-- 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.040 Oh, really? 00:16:14.040 --> 00:16:16.110 Yeah, so-- and there is a 00:16:16.110 --> 00:16:17.800 solution to that problem. 00:16:17.800 --> 00:16:19.850 So that's kind of what I wanted 00:16:19.850 --> 00:16:21.200 to say is, you know, 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.710 it's like if you come up with a 00:16:23.710 --> 00:16:25.440 solution, great. 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:26.880 If you don't, we will have them 00:16:26.880 --> 00:16:28.280 to offer soon, I think. 00:16:28.280 --> 00:16:28.880 Right. 00:16:28.880 --> 00:16:30.010 There is a way to solve that 00:16:30.010 --> 00:16:30.560 problem. 00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:32.820 I think it's with a centralized 00:16:32.820 --> 00:16:33.480 service 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.080 and a little bit of user 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:36.320 preferences. 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:37.440 A centralized service for the 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.480 subscriptions, you mean? 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.450 Yeah, to do the translation so 00:16:43.450 --> 00:16:45.560 that you tell it-- 00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:47.630 in this case, the iPod is an 00:16:47.630 --> 00:16:48.560 aggregator, right? 00:16:48.560 --> 00:16:50.450 And you tell it what aggregator 00:16:50.450 --> 00:16:51.520 you're using. 00:16:51.520 --> 00:16:53.030 The reason is if you try to set 00:16:53.030 --> 00:16:54.640 a standard on the desktop 00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:56.320 for what these guys do, then 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:56.720 you won't 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.800 be able to run more than one. 00:16:58.800 --> 00:16:59.160 Exactly. 00:16:59.160 --> 00:17:00.660 So they kind of all have to do 00:17:00.660 --> 00:17:01.760 it differently. 00:17:01.760 --> 00:17:02.840 I mean, you should-- 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:04.250 you know, it sounds stupid to 00:17:04.250 --> 00:17:05.200 have two iPoders, 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:06.870 but let's say you want to try 00:17:06.870 --> 00:17:08.080 another one out. 00:17:08.080 --> 00:17:09.740 But in the meantime, you have 00:17:09.740 --> 00:17:11.040 to keep listening to the things 00:17:11.040 --> 00:17:12.000 you subscribe to. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:12.320 Right. 00:17:12.320 --> 00:17:13.240 Well, you're not going to want 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:14.480 to throw the old one off 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:15.720 until you're actually sure that 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:16.560 the new one works. 00:17:16.560 --> 00:17:19.000 So they're right there. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:20.310 You kind of need to have them 00:17:20.310 --> 00:17:21.600 not collide with each other 00:17:21.600 --> 00:17:24.280 and not all do it the same way. 00:17:24.280 --> 00:17:25.350 On the other hand, I kind of 00:17:25.350 --> 00:17:25.680 wonder 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.320 why you even need to do that. 00:17:27.320 --> 00:17:32.320 Because an iPod or a podcast 00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:35.680 feed is just an RSS 2.0 feed. 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:36.200 Oh, yeah. 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.730 Why not use exactly the same 00:17:38.730 --> 00:17:40.080 mechanism? 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:40.640 Right. 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.160 But that's what I'm-- yeah. 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:42.960 OK. 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:43.880 The same mechanism. 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:44.320 Right. 00:17:44.320 --> 00:17:45.310 I'd like to use the same 00:17:45.310 --> 00:17:45.840 mechanism, 00:17:45.840 --> 00:17:46.960 but there's a back end that's 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:50.880 not baked into the iPoders yet. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:51.240 Right. 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:52.560 They don't have a-- 00:17:52.560 --> 00:17:53.560 right. 00:17:53.560 --> 00:17:54.510 They don't have a web server 00:17:54.510 --> 00:17:56.600 running and all that stuff. 00:17:56.600 --> 00:17:57.160 Yeah. 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:58.310 Since they're not web servers, 00:17:58.310 --> 00:17:59.120 that's probably not 00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:00.480 going to be that easy to do. 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.320 No, exactly. 00:18:01.320 --> 00:18:01.840 Yeah. 00:18:01.840 --> 00:18:03.880 I mean, yeah. 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:05.160 And although, on the other hand 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:06.000 , you're right. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.320 Everyone's pretty much-- 00:18:07.320 --> 00:18:09.210 anyone who's used an aggregator 00:18:09.210 --> 00:18:11.000 by now, I think, knows, OK, 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.420 there is going to be some copy/ 00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:13.440 paste involved. 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:15.960 And it's not a big deal. 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.080 But iPoders is all about 00:18:18.080 --> 00:18:20.240 simplicity, right? 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:20.740 Right. 00:18:20.740 --> 00:18:22.050 And you're doing really good 00:18:22.050 --> 00:18:22.600 work there, 00:18:22.600 --> 00:18:25.440 making it really simple. 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.540 But your previous statement is 00:18:27.540 --> 00:18:28.400 just right on there. 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:29.880 There's nothing we can do. 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:31.480 Other than if we own the 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:32.800 browser at them, 00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:33.830 then there would be a lot we 00:18:33.830 --> 00:18:34.360 could do. 00:18:34.360 --> 00:18:35.600 But we don't own the browser. 00:18:35.600 --> 00:18:38.760 So we're basically fucked. 00:18:38.760 --> 00:18:39.440 Yaw. 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:40.120 Yaw. 00:18:40.120 --> 00:18:41.640 Yeah. 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:43.310 So the directory, I think-- let 00:18:43.310 --> 00:18:44.160 's talk about that for a 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:44.520 minute. 00:18:44.520 --> 00:18:45.800 On the iPod or not, we're sure. 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:47.720 I think what's going to-- 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:48.440 yeah. 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:49.450 I mean, the redirect is 00:18:49.450 --> 00:18:50.520 happening right now. 00:18:50.520 --> 00:18:52.070 So the site, it will look a lot 00:18:52.070 --> 00:18:53.200 better for everybody, 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.490 although very much like it 00:18:55.490 --> 00:18:56.360 looked. 00:18:56.360 --> 00:18:58.510 You know, there's a very smooth 00:18:58.510 --> 00:18:59.880 transition here. 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:01.080 It's just going to get better. 00:19:01.080 --> 00:19:02.620 And sort of things, bugs were 00:19:02.620 --> 00:19:04.840 fixed, and things look better. 00:19:04.840 --> 00:19:06.270 But maybe it even performs a 00:19:06.270 --> 00:19:07.960 bit better, because it's not 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:10.580 running on an overburden server 00:19:10.580 --> 00:19:11.640 anymore. 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:13.110 But then what are the next 00:19:13.110 --> 00:19:13.720 steps? 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:15.640 It occurred to me that-- 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:17.190 then you've got a phenomenal 00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:18.360 directory there. 00:19:18.360 --> 00:19:20.820 And I think that we ought to 00:19:20.820 --> 00:19:22.440 develop that. 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:23.280 And however-- 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:25.640 We just go with categories, you 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:26.320 mean? 00:19:26.320 --> 00:19:27.280 Well, what other people 00:19:27.280 --> 00:19:28.120 contribute to it? 00:19:28.120 --> 00:19:29.470 One of the nice things about O 00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:30.600 PML-- which, by the way, that 00:19:30.600 --> 00:19:32.600 is an OPML directory you're 00:19:32.600 --> 00:19:33.640 working on-- 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.460 is that you can include other O 00:19:36.460 --> 00:19:37.680 PML directories in your 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:38.280 directory. 00:19:38.280 --> 00:19:40.270 So if you wanted to delegate 00:19:40.270 --> 00:19:42.000 some part of that to some 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.300 other author who wanted to 00:19:44.300 --> 00:19:45.640 maintain a piece of that 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.820 directory, all they would have 00:19:47.820 --> 00:19:49.600 to do is produce an OPML 00:19:49.600 --> 00:19:50.320 document. 00:19:50.320 --> 00:19:52.970 And then make sure that's on 00:19:52.970 --> 00:19:55.720 the public web so that the 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:57.320 server software can access it. 00:19:57.320 --> 00:19:58.440 And then whenever they update 00:19:58.440 --> 00:19:59.800 it within an hour, our server 00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:01.280 will pick up those updates. 00:20:01.280 --> 00:20:02.000 Oh, yeah, right. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:02.830 I remember how that works, yeah 00:20:02.830 --> 00:20:02.960 . 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.940 It's a way to sort of branch 00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:04.680 out, cover it. 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:05.360 Yeah. 00:20:05.360 --> 00:20:06.760 It's a good time to use it. 00:20:06.760 --> 00:20:10.440 I mean, it would be nice to see 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:13.280 that OPML gets well used in 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:14.900 this context, where there was a 00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:16.640 lot of fighting over and a 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.800 lot of sort of good things when 00:20:19.800 --> 00:20:20.840 it came to our creators. 00:20:20.840 --> 00:20:22.640 Like people that would output 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.440 things but change the names of 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:24.880 things. 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:26.080 And you'd ask them, why did you 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:27.160 change the name of that? 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:28.440 Oh, I just didn't like the name 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:29.160 that you used. 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:30.240 And I'd go, come on. 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:30.960 Why do you do that? 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.030 So the hope here is that we can 00:20:33.030 --> 00:20:35.640 bootstrap something that is 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:37.740 because podcasting should be 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:38.720 very broad. 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:40.620 It should cover basically every 00:20:40.620 --> 00:20:41.800 human activity. 00:20:41.800 --> 00:20:43.210 So the directories should be 00:20:43.210 --> 00:20:44.200 very broad, too. 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:45.200 Right, right. 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.120 OK, yeah, that's good. 00:20:46.120 --> 00:20:47.290 So indeed, I remember now how 00:20:47.290 --> 00:20:47.960 that worked. 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:49.750 If you just need to produce an 00:20:49.750 --> 00:20:52.280 OPML document and send a URL, 00:20:52.280 --> 00:20:53.750 and then I just hook a node 00:20:53.750 --> 00:20:55.280 into that URL, right? 00:20:55.280 --> 00:20:56.080 And then it's seamless. 00:20:56.080 --> 00:20:57.430 And then when you click on that 00:20:57.430 --> 00:20:58.600 , even though it's being 00:20:58.600 --> 00:21:00.040 sucked in from somewhere else 00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:01.840 or cached or whatever, then 00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:03.960 is it cached or is it a live 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:04.920 update? 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:05.600 It's cached. 00:21:05.600 --> 00:21:06.280 It's cached. 00:21:06.280 --> 00:21:08.720 It's cached for up to an hour. 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:10.350 Where after an hour, it throws 00:21:10.350 --> 00:21:11.520 out the cache and rereads it. 00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:13.160 That's how you do the updates. 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:16.830 And the suggest a link feature, 00:21:16.830 --> 00:21:18.320 when somebody's browsing the 00:21:18.320 --> 00:21:20.000 part of the directory that 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.440 someone else authored, the 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.320 suggestions go to that person. 00:21:24.320 --> 00:21:25.400 They get the full-- 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.100 Oh, OK, so if someone else-- oh 00:21:27.100 --> 00:21:27.440 , right. 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:28.160 So it won't come to me. 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:29.220 It'll go to the person who's 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:30.600 maintaining that particular 00:21:30.600 --> 00:21:31.400 node or the directory. 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:32.570 Because of course, that would 00:21:32.570 --> 00:21:32.800 be-- yeah. 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:33.640 Oh, right. 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.150 And I also want to-- and this 00:21:35.150 --> 00:21:36.400 probably will have to wait 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:37.980 until after BloggerCon, because 00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:38.760 it's going to keep me 00:21:38.760 --> 00:21:39.360 pretty busy. 00:21:39.360 --> 00:21:41.440 But I also want to make it so 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.680 that basically if somebody 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:45.620 suggests a link to you and you 00:21:45.620 --> 00:21:47.040 want to use it, that it 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:48.180 should just be a one-step 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:48.880 operation. 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:49.880 You should just basically-- 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:50.280 Click. 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:51.600 --click on a link and say it 00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:52.480 that says yes. 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:53.400 Yeah, right. 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:53.920 There you go. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:54.540 And not have to go edit 00:21:54.540 --> 00:21:54.960 anything. 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:56.160 And also stuff that-- 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.480 And shorten that process. 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:58.860 Yeah, also stuff that I was 00:21:58.860 --> 00:22:00.080 thinking as I was using the 00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:01.840 directory myself. 00:22:01.840 --> 00:22:03.140 So in the suggest a link, it 00:22:03.140 --> 00:22:06.240 actually gives you a space. 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.320 And people are using that. 00:22:07.320 --> 00:22:10.380 Why this link should be in the 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:11.560 directory. 00:22:11.560 --> 00:22:12.980 But right now, we're just 00:22:12.980 --> 00:22:15.960 linking to the RSS feeds. 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:17.790 It might be-- is there a way to 00:22:17.790 --> 00:22:19.640 do it so you can also go to 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:20.600 the website? 00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:23.200 Well, that would require 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.360 customization of the directory 00:22:25.360 --> 00:22:25.640 code. 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:27.080 It was never designed for that 00:22:27.080 --> 00:22:27.720 purpose. 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.500 But I'm totally into doing that 00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:31.320 , that kind of 00:22:31.320 --> 00:22:33.680 customization. 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:34.920 But that has to-- 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:36.080 well, we'll see what happens. 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:36.640 Oh, wait a minute. 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.000 Maybe I could just add the-- 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.390 if I just add the link, if I 00:22:41.390 --> 00:22:44.200 add the HTML link code to the 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.480 node, that would work, wouldn't 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:46.920 it? 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.600 You can do that. 00:22:48.600 --> 00:22:49.640 Yeah, it would work. 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:50.840 It's less than optimal. 00:22:50.840 --> 00:22:51.820 I mean, you kind of want to 00:22:51.820 --> 00:22:52.840 have more of a database 00:22:52.840 --> 00:22:54.520 behind there. 00:22:54.520 --> 00:22:56.440 And we can do that. 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:58.910 But it's not going to be 00:22:58.910 --> 00:23:01.200 something I can do right away. 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.040 I hate it when people say that. 00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:04.440 Oh, that's a disappointing day. 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:05.910 If you've just totally blown my 00:23:05.910 --> 00:23:06.800 entire day now. 00:23:06.800 --> 00:23:07.320 I know. 00:23:07.320 --> 00:23:08.160 You're too busy. 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:09.360 Well, something happened. 00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:10.610 I'll tell you, we were at this 00:23:10.610 --> 00:23:11.520 Microsoft thing. 00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:12.560 It's for two days. 00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:14.000 And there were about 30 blog 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:14.920 gers in the room. 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:16.300 And there were about 30 00:23:16.300 --> 00:23:17.440 Microsoft people. 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.580 And of course, they didn't do 00:23:19.580 --> 00:23:20.160 it in an 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:21.600 unconference format. 00:23:21.600 --> 00:23:22.720 They had the Microsoft people 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.840 who were in front of the room. 00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:27.120 And we were the audience. 00:23:27.120 --> 00:23:28.660 But there was a point when we 00:23:28.660 --> 00:23:29.720 just sort of broke out of 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:31.400 that mold and just started 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:32.800 screaming at them. 00:23:32.800 --> 00:23:34.000 But it was funny. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.480 Yeah, it was really something. 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:36.690 And they tried to get hold of 00:23:36.690 --> 00:23:37.000 it. 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.600 And I said, don't do that. 00:23:38.600 --> 00:23:39.120 Don't do that. 00:23:39.120 --> 00:23:40.120 I mean, this is welcome to the 00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:40.720 blogosphere. 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:41.890 It's a lot of people yelling at 00:23:41.890 --> 00:23:42.520 each other. 00:23:42.520 --> 00:23:44.800 But we actually get shit done 00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:45.800 this way. 00:23:45.800 --> 00:23:46.600 Now I forgot why. 00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:47.080 Oh, right. 00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:49.140 So it's like the poor Microsoft 00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:49.640 people. 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:51.140 Because we were telling them, 00:23:51.140 --> 00:23:52.160 hey, we want this. 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:52.720 We want that. 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.000 We want this. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:55.680 Do this, do this, do this. 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:56.200 Well, OK. 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:57.880 So then they kept saying, well, 00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.280 thanks for the feedback. 00:23:59.280 --> 00:23:59.960 Oh, thanks. 00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:02.090 Oh, hey, we appreciate your 00:24:02.090 --> 00:24:02.720 work. 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:03.720 Thanks for your input. 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.970 It's really valuable that you 00:24:04.970 --> 00:24:06.200 guys were here today. 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.200 Exactly. 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.320 We'll put that on the list for 00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:10.080 the things we do after we do 00:24:10.080 --> 00:24:11.080 everything else. 00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:13.760 That's the way we want to do it 00:24:13.760 --> 00:24:13.920 . 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.170 That's kind of the way we heard 00:24:16.170 --> 00:24:16.640 it. 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:18.240 And then, so of course, we took 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:19.360 this one guy during one of 00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:19.800 the breaks. 00:24:19.800 --> 00:24:21.920 He came to talk with a couple 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:23.080 of us, and me and Chris 00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:23.640 Perillo. 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:25.870 And we just beat the crap out 00:24:25.870 --> 00:24:26.440 of him. 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:27.960 We got a lot of success. 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:28.960 No, no, no. 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:29.960 You just got to do it. 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:31.160 Stop making excuses. 00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:32.080 It's really easy. 00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:34.160 It'll take you half a day to do 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:34.680 it. 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.800 If you tell me you have to take 00:24:35.800 --> 00:24:36.760 six months, I know you're 00:24:36.760 --> 00:24:38.200 bullsitting us. 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.010 And the poor guy, his gears 00:24:40.010 --> 00:24:41.120 were stripped. 00:24:41.120 --> 00:24:42.530 But he came back after the 00:24:42.530 --> 00:24:43.920 break, and he said he had gone 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.230 to visit with the program 00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:46.520 manager, and he got it on 00:24:46.520 --> 00:24:48.350 schedule for two weeks from now 00:24:48.350 --> 00:24:48.600 . 00:24:48.600 --> 00:24:50.040 And so we all stood up and gave 00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:51.040 him a standing ovation. 00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:52.040 Standing ovation. 00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:53.670 And he was glowing for the 00:24:53.670 --> 00:24:55.200 whole rest of the time. 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:56.330 And I said, that's what we got 00:24:56.330 --> 00:24:56.720 to do. 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:57.990 We got to do more of this kind 00:24:57.990 --> 00:24:59.400 of stuff where we don't have 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.080 to beat you up to do something 00:25:01.080 --> 00:25:02.840 really simple that makes it 00:25:02.840 --> 00:25:05.110 possible for us to take your 00:25:05.110 --> 00:25:07.200 work and use it in 50 billion 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.640 different ways. 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:09.680 That takes the burden of 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:13.240 innovation off of the EU. 00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:14.830 So of course, what I'm doing 00:25:14.830 --> 00:25:16.080 now is I'm saying, well, I'll 00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:17.320 do this after I do everything 00:25:17.320 --> 00:25:19.280 else I have to do. 00:25:19.280 --> 00:25:20.580 It's all about Microsoft magic 00:25:20.580 --> 00:25:21.840 rubbing off on you, man. 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:23.680 That's what it is. 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:25.520 Death Star Pixie Dust. 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:27.280 Yeah. 00:25:27.280 --> 00:25:30.520 Well, we'll get to it. 00:25:30.520 --> 00:25:31.840 No, I want this to be my top 00:25:31.840 --> 00:25:32.520 priority. 00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:33.920 And frankly, that's kind of 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.240 been the problem, is that it 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:35.840 has been. 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:36.860 And that's why BloggerCon has 00:25:36.860 --> 00:25:38.040 sort of suffered a little bit, 00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:40.250 because here we are in podcast- 00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:42.080 fill, and everything's 00:25:42.080 --> 00:25:44.600 going great. 00:25:44.600 --> 00:25:46.000 Definitely is. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.850 This is actually one of our 00:25:47.850 --> 00:25:50.080 quality-wise-- this is really 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:50.600 good. 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:52.360 I'm using a little different 00:25:52.360 --> 00:25:54.200 setup today, and I'm pretty 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.600 happy with it. 00:25:56.600 --> 00:25:57.560 And how is that? 00:25:57.560 --> 00:25:59.600 What is the different setup? 00:25:59.600 --> 00:26:02.820 Well, you heard about the Engad 00:26:02.820 --> 00:26:05.480 get guys, right? 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:06.880 Yeah, sure. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:06.880 Yeah. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.940 So they spent hours and hours 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:10.480 trying to figure out how to 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:11.480 do this. 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:13.740 And they were using all the 00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:15.320 same bits that I'd been using, 00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:17.820 that Hugo Schottman had been 00:26:17.820 --> 00:26:18.680 using. 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:19.580 But there was one additional 00:26:19.580 --> 00:26:22.280 thing called Soundflower Bed, 00:26:22.280 --> 00:26:24.480 which is just-- 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.120 basically, the only thing that 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:26.120 -- 00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:27.260 I could get everything working 00:26:27.260 --> 00:26:28.240 the way it is now, except 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.150 then when I talked, I would 00:26:30.150 --> 00:26:31.960 hear myself with a second 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:32.860 delay, which makes it 00:26:32.860 --> 00:26:33.960 impossible to talk if you have 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.360 that on the headphones. 00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:36.910 And so this Soundflower Bed 00:26:36.910 --> 00:26:38.440 basically lets you listen to 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.980 the audio before it's routed to 00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:41.800 a different place. 00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:44.260 So I had the general setup 00:26:44.260 --> 00:26:46.840 already figured out, but now 00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:48.600 they've figured out how to-- 00:26:48.600 --> 00:26:50.090 or they pointed me to this 00:26:50.090 --> 00:26:51.640 thing that lets me monitor it 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:52.240 in the right way. 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:52.840 So it's good. 00:26:52.840 --> 00:26:54.280 And it's working. 00:26:54.280 --> 00:26:55.040 Knock on wood. 00:26:55.040 --> 00:26:55.440 Wait. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.380 Stand on some guard like as 00:26:56.380 --> 00:26:57.040 usual, Dave. 00:26:57.040 --> 00:27:03.040 Yeah, that's pretty funny. 00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:03.970 So what do you think about 00:27:03.970 --> 00:27:04.440 privacy? 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.870 Do you think we ought to have 00:27:06.870 --> 00:27:07.440 it? 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.440 Do you think we ought to depend 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.080 on Microsoft for passport? 00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:14.880 Well, it's funny because as 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.160 liberal and as-- 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.820 let me turn that off-- as 00:27:18.820 --> 00:27:22.840 liberal as the Netherlands is 00:27:22.840 --> 00:27:24.650 when it comes to a whole bunch 00:27:24.650 --> 00:27:26.120 of things that we can do that 00:27:26.120 --> 00:27:27.430 you can't do anywhere else, 00:27:27.430 --> 00:27:28.480 particularly in the United 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.290 States, the one thing that 00:27:30.290 --> 00:27:32.880 really freaks me out is that 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:33.760 they have-- 00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:35.970 they, the big they, the man, 00:27:35.970 --> 00:27:37.500 have the power, for any 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:39.090 reason whatsoever, to tap your 00:27:39.090 --> 00:27:39.840 phone line. 00:27:39.840 --> 00:27:42.600 And I've heard statistics that 00:27:42.600 --> 00:27:44.320 are doing 50,000 phone 00:27:44.320 --> 00:27:47.080 taps a month. 00:27:47.080 --> 00:27:47.640 Wow. 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:50.860 And it's that kind of stuff 00:27:50.860 --> 00:27:52.960 that really freaks me out. 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.250 When it comes to the internet, 00:27:55.250 --> 00:27:56.280 I don't know how good the 00:27:56.280 --> 00:27:57.530 monitoring systems are and all 00:27:57.530 --> 00:27:57.920 that. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.820 But I know that if someone 00:27:58.820 --> 00:27:59.840 wants to get your shit, if 00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:01.620 someone wants to get into your 00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:02.920 accounts or anything, right 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:04.120 now there is-- 00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:05.980 as far as I know, there's no 00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:07.120 real protection. 00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:08.940 I like what my bank does with a 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:10.080 challenge string on a card 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:12.530 and all that because I think 00:28:12.530 --> 00:28:14.360 that's reasonably secure. 00:28:14.360 --> 00:28:15.590 But I don't know anything about 00:28:15.590 --> 00:28:16.320 their system. 00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:17.680 I don't know what kind of back 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.880 ends or holes they might have. 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:20.650 But yeah, of course it's 00:28:20.650 --> 00:28:21.160 important. 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.380 It's really important for a 00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:24.720 number of reasons. 00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.690 You're seeing with this phone 00:28:25.690 --> 00:28:26.960 tap shit that's going on here 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:28.960 that people are being-- 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.440 it's like Razia's. 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.050 It's like breaking down people 00:28:32.050 --> 00:28:32.880 's door in the middle of 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:33.480 the night. 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.640 We know you're a terrorist. 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:36.270 And we heard you mentioned 00:28:36.270 --> 00:28:37.360 these things. 00:28:37.360 --> 00:28:38.560 You talk about a big game. 00:28:38.560 --> 00:28:40.060 We know what the code word "big 00:28:40.060 --> 00:28:41.160 game" stands for. 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:41.920 And it turns out it's a 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:43.080 perfectly nice Moroccan 00:28:43.080 --> 00:28:43.440 family. 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.380 It has nothing to do with 00:28:44.380 --> 00:28:44.960 anything. 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.050 So everyone was lucky that time 00:28:49.050 --> 00:28:49.560 . 00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:53.240 So it's real important that you 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.560 have privacy and that 00:28:54.560 --> 00:28:55.710 there are certain rules that 00:28:55.710 --> 00:28:57.960 have to be followed in 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.090 prosecution of breaking those 00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:04.720 rules. 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.200 So let's see in switching gears 00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:07.000 a little bit. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.930 What is the European view of 00:29:09.930 --> 00:29:11.720 the US presidential election? 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:12.880 Do you hear from people talking 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:13.440 about that? 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:14.800 Or what do they think? 00:29:14.800 --> 00:29:19.180 On the presidential debate, 00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:21.320 first of all-- 00:29:21.320 --> 00:29:22.480 because that's kind of been 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.440 dominating the news 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.080 everywhere-- 00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:28.700 everything I read in Europe, 00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:33.800 including the UK, did not 00:29:33.800 --> 00:29:36.010 come out the winner of that 00:29:36.010 --> 00:29:36.960 debate. 00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.940 And everybody here in the press 00:29:40.940 --> 00:29:42.200 as well-- 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.330 it is common knowledge that 00:29:44.330 --> 00:29:46.160 there's a war being fought 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.600 where Osama bin Laden is not. 00:29:49.600 --> 00:29:50.580 And that is pointed out 00:29:50.580 --> 00:29:51.400 continuously. 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.800 So that's pretty good. 00:29:53.800 --> 00:29:56.720 But that's about it. 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.920 So are we totally fucked if we 00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:00.640 re-elect this here? 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.700 Well, from a European 00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:04.520 perspective? 00:30:04.520 --> 00:30:06.490 Yeah, or whatever, from the 00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:08.360 Adam Curry perspective. 00:30:08.360 --> 00:30:09.440 Definitely. 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:10.440 Definitely. 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:12.400 Cool. 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:13.520 I've gotten into the-- 00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:15.080 [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:30:15.080 --> 00:30:16.780 I've totally gotten into the 00:30:16.780 --> 00:30:18.600 vibe of the big conspiracy. 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:19.480 And it's there. 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:20.240 I believe it. 00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:21.640 Hey, wait, wait, something just 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:22.200 came over. 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.200 You guys check this out. 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:24.450 They announced Howard Stern 00:30:24.450 --> 00:30:25.720 will move to satellite radio 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:26.920 in 2006. 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:27.480 Really? 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.080 So he's off commercial now. 00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:30.170 Yeah, they had a little 00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:31.520 interview with him there. 00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:34.160 Well, that's going to be a huge 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.200 , huge boost for XM. 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:37.140 That's going to be big for 00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:37.720 those guys. 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.310 Maybe we can get him to do a 00:30:39.310 --> 00:30:40.120 podcast. 00:30:40.120 --> 00:30:41.290 And the Engadja guys were 00:30:41.290 --> 00:30:42.120 talking about that. 00:30:42.120 --> 00:30:43.070 And I played a clip on the 00:30:43.070 --> 00:30:43.760 source code. 00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:45.480 This would be perfect for him. 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.680 Leave the commercials in. 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:47.280 No problem. 00:30:47.280 --> 00:30:49.020 We'll listen to the commercials 00:30:49.020 --> 00:30:49.240 . 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:50.860 It's just like radio that he's 00:30:50.860 --> 00:30:51.280 used to, 00:30:51.280 --> 00:30:52.240 except he doesn't have to go 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:53.080 clear all these frigging 00:30:53.080 --> 00:30:53.560 markets. 00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:54.670 And he can finally do it unc 00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:55.600 ensored, which I think 00:30:55.600 --> 00:30:58.520 is what he wants anyway. 00:30:58.520 --> 00:31:00.040 Yeah, that would be great. 00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:01.280 Because he won't be able to do 00:31:01.280 --> 00:31:02.600 it uncensored on XM radio. 00:31:02.600 --> 00:31:04.450 I think they have some 00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:06.350 regulations we have to find out 00:31:06.350 --> 00:31:06.560 . 00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:07.700 But I don't think he can go 00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:09.160 totally uncensored there. 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:14.360 Interesting. 00:31:14.360 --> 00:31:15.970 So you know that Bush didn't 00:31:15.970 --> 00:31:16.520 like the way 00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:17.880 he did in the debate either. 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.180 And so tonight he's giving an 00:31:20.180 --> 00:31:21.480 address to the nation 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.700 where he's going to try to do 00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:24.440 it again, 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.730 except this time the innovation 00:31:26.730 --> 00:31:28.120 is no John Kerry. 00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:28.720 Wait a minute. 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.080 So he can talk to him. 00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:31.130 Is everyone going to take that 00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:31.360 up? 00:31:31.360 --> 00:31:32.320 That's fucked up. 00:31:32.320 --> 00:31:34.000 That's not equal air time. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.000 It is totally. 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.800 It's like breaking the rules. 00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:39.280 Yeah. 00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:40.600 It's going to backfire on him. 00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:41.610 I mean, basically there's a 00:31:41.610 --> 00:31:42.800 certain sense of fair play 00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:45.630 that we're in the period where, 00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:47.720 unless there's something 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.420 really dramatic happens, that 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:49.640 Bush 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.060 is a candidate for president 00:31:52.060 --> 00:31:53.080 who happens to be the White 00:31:53.080 --> 00:31:53.880 House. 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.670 And he gets a lot of advantages 00:31:56.670 --> 00:31:58.680 , like Cheney said last night 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.790 that Bush in Iowa signing some 00:32:01.790 --> 00:32:03.000 bill that gives money 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.280 to people. 00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:06.800 And I don't think it was a 00:32:06.800 --> 00:32:07.720 coincidence 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:08.920 that it gives money to people 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.400 who he needs votes from. 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:11.240 Joc. 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:12.240 Joc. 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.850 It's not-- it's the one time 00:32:13.850 --> 00:32:15.360 that he's not giving money 00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:18.000 to his CEO, Fat Cat friends. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.400 And he's giving it to middle 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:20.840 class people in Iowa. 00:32:20.840 --> 00:32:21.120 Right? 00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:22.340 Oh, well, maybe he had 00:32:22.340 --> 00:32:23.680 something to do with the fact 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.080 that he wants to win Iowa. 00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:26.000 No, really. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:27.680 You don't say. 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:28.680 No. 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.800 Couldn't possibly be. 00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:31.080 I mean, of course it couldn't 00:32:31.080 --> 00:32:31.360 be. 00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:34.520 I mean, but then he's going on 00:32:34.520 --> 00:32:34.840 TV. 00:32:34.840 --> 00:32:36.890 And it hasn't been a big stink 00:32:36.890 --> 00:32:37.920 about it yet. 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.840 But-- 00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:41.680 But the rules are equal air 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:42.320 time. 00:32:42.320 --> 00:32:43.580 And I mean, he's going to 00:32:43.580 --> 00:32:44.760 address the nation. 00:32:44.760 --> 00:32:45.280 But-- 00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:45.840 No. 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:46.480 Oh, no. 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:47.400 I don't think so. 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.600 No, no, no, no. 00:32:48.600 --> 00:32:52.150 When Bush went on to talk about 00:32:52.150 --> 00:32:52.240 -- 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.550 there is equal air time for 00:32:53.550 --> 00:32:53.840 things 00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:56.230 that are institutional, like 00:32:56.230 --> 00:32:57.920 the state of the union address. 00:32:57.920 --> 00:32:59.040 There is equal air time. 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:00.520 Not equal, actually. 00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:01.870 But they get a chance to give 00:33:01.870 --> 00:33:03.040 their point of view. 00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:03.840 When I signed my-- 00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:04.440 Right. 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:05.080 You know the rule, though. 00:33:05.080 --> 00:33:08.230 When I signed my license, my 00:33:08.230 --> 00:33:10.800 radio operator's license, 00:33:10.800 --> 00:33:13.510 very specifically stated the 00:33:13.510 --> 00:33:15.480 equal air time rule. 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.630 And it doesn't matter when or 00:33:18.630 --> 00:33:19.200 in-- 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.380 see, the state of a union 00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:23.000 address is something very 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:23.520 defined. 00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:25.260 But as far as I understood the 00:33:25.260 --> 00:33:25.800 rules, 00:33:25.800 --> 00:33:28.600 if I let a Democratic person A 00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:30.440 on the show for five minutes, 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.280 I have to give five minutes to 00:33:32.280 --> 00:33:33.720 an opposing party. 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.030 That's the rules that I always 00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:36.720 learned. 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:37.830 Well, it was a radio broadcast 00:33:37.830 --> 00:33:38.320 license. 00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:41.370 But it's the same thing, I 00:33:41.370 --> 00:33:42.800 believe. 00:33:42.800 --> 00:33:43.860 I think there's a difference 00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:45.440 when the president goes on TV 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.520 to address the nation. 00:33:46.520 --> 00:33:48.720 I mean, that's string of words. 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:49.800 You know, that-- 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:50.800 Yeah. 00:33:50.800 --> 00:33:51.560 I don't know. 00:33:51.560 --> 00:33:52.450 Well, it depends on what he's 00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:52.840 going to-- 00:33:52.840 --> 00:33:54.620 if he talks about all the same 00:33:54.620 --> 00:33:55.960 issues as the debate, which 00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:57.900 was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, 00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.280 Iraq, and he says the same-- 00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:00.880 No, he can say that there's an 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:01.720 emergency. 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:02.630 He can say, oh, it's an 00:34:02.630 --> 00:34:03.120 emergency. 00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.360 I have to talk to the people. 00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:04.860 Right. 00:34:04.860 --> 00:34:05.600 I understand what you're saying 00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:05.720 . 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.010 I'm not a Republican or a 00:34:07.010 --> 00:34:07.800 Democrat. 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:09.130 I'm the president of the United 00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:09.480 States. 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.840 And bring the camera in the O 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:11.400 val Office, 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:12.110 and we've got to have a talk 00:34:12.110 --> 00:34:12.400 here. 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:13.610 Well, it better be really good 00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:13.840 then. 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.090 If he's going to waste my time 00:34:15.090 --> 00:34:17.240 and interrupt my prime time 00:34:17.240 --> 00:34:19.570 television programming, it 00:34:19.570 --> 00:34:21.400 better be damn good. 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.750 Oh, you know it's going to be 00:34:22.750 --> 00:34:23.200 good. 00:34:23.200 --> 00:34:26.720 I mean, he is extremely colleg 00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:28.440 ial, genial, 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.680 avuncular, friendly, white-s 00:34:30.680 --> 00:34:32.000 mooth, whatever her name 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.280 is, Laura Bush. 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:34.040 I'm sorry. 00:34:34.040 --> 00:34:37.000 He's the husband of Laura Bush. 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:37.920 He opened his speech. 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.640 He was on TV just before this 00:34:39.640 --> 00:34:40.600 thing started. 00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:42.210 And he opens it up and says, 00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:42.680 yeah, 00:34:42.680 --> 00:34:43.830 I know you guys would rather 00:34:43.830 --> 00:34:44.640 hear from Laura. 00:34:44.640 --> 00:34:45.800 And they all go crazy. 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:46.440 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.820 We'd love to hear from Laura 00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:48.320 White. 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.490 And then so you think, well, 00:34:49.490 --> 00:34:50.440 why doesn't he just go up 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:51.400 and spate her already? 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:52.720 I mean, jeez. 00:34:52.720 --> 00:34:54.120 He could be the first-- 00:34:54.120 --> 00:34:55.740 maybe she could be the 00:34:55.740 --> 00:34:56.600 president, 00:34:56.600 --> 00:34:57.760 or he could be the pope. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.760 Oh, I was just-- 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.410 I'm going to see if I can find 00:35:00.410 --> 00:35:00.960 this. 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.020 I have something that I want to 00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:02.360 play. 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:03.560 It would be so cool. 00:35:03.560 --> 00:35:05.520 Oh, I bet you I don't have it. 00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:06.200 Oh, man. 00:35:06.200 --> 00:35:07.400 Have you ever heard the first 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:08.160 black president? 00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:10.120 Have you ever heard that? 00:35:10.120 --> 00:35:10.800 That song? 00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:12.800 No, I don't think so. 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.680 Who does it? 00:35:14.680 --> 00:35:17.400 Curtis Blow. 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.080 Let me see. 00:35:18.080 --> 00:35:18.880 I don't know. 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:19.640 No, I don't know. 00:35:19.640 --> 00:35:20.490 I'll have to get that one next 00:35:20.490 --> 00:35:20.800 time. 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:21.320 Shoot. 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.010 That would have been perfect 00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:23.760 for this. 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.560 You want to play a song? 00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:26.150 I'm sure you-- let me guess 00:35:26.150 --> 00:35:28.560 what you want to hear. 00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:29.200 Want to play some pranks? 00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:30.280 I'd rather be the president. 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:31.360 No, you could be the president. 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:32.160 I'd rather be the pope. 00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:32.800 You could be the pope. 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.550 And then I'd love to hear right 00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:35.360 after that-- 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.100 I would just love to hear that 00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:39.400 butt-gusting, 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.530 stream of nonsense from George 00:35:41.530 --> 00:35:42.680 Bush of the first debate 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:44.560 if you haven't had that around. 00:35:44.560 --> 00:35:45.760 Wow. 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.320 Damn. 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:47.880 Now you go ask me for that, eh? 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:48.280 Hold on. 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.160 Let me see if I can find that. 00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.440 That I could probably play. 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:51.920 Hold on. 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:52.480 Let me see. 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:52.960 No, I-- 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.080 The calm-scrippling news. 00:35:54.080 --> 00:35:57.840 I mean-- 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.240 Oh, yeah. 00:35:58.240 --> 00:36:01.080 Hold on a second. 00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:02.760 Man. 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:03.910 Hey, you got to warn people 00:36:03.910 --> 00:36:04.840 about that one, though. 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:06.840 If you haven't heard it, OK? 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.200 You got to put down your coffee 00:36:08.200 --> 00:36:08.560 cup. 00:36:08.560 --> 00:36:10.240 You got to, like, basically get 00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:12.080 yourself into a place 00:36:12.080 --> 00:36:13.210 where there are any sharp 00:36:13.210 --> 00:36:14.280 objects around. 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.750 You have to be near a toilet 00:36:15.750 --> 00:36:17.000 because you just never 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.000 know what's going to happen. 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.120 That's a loaded question. 00:36:22.120 --> 00:36:27.050 First of all, I admire Senator 00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:28.840 Kerry's service 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.280 to our country. 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.260 I admire the fact that he is a 00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:34.280 great dad. 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:35.280 We're facing a-- 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:48.400 Let me finish. 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.250 And so the answer to your 00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:51.680 question is, no doubt about it, 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:52.520 it's tough. 00:36:52.520 --> 00:36:53.920 It's hard work. 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:54.960 It's incredibly hard. 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.970 And let me-- I just know how 00:36:59.970 --> 00:37:02.120 this world works. 00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:03.730 There's a lot of good people 00:37:03.730 --> 00:37:04.560 working hard. 00:37:04.560 --> 00:37:07.530 And we're making progress there 00:37:07.530 --> 00:37:07.880 . 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:09.710 Never-- when I was running, 00:37:09.710 --> 00:37:11.080 when we had the debate in 2000, 00:37:11.080 --> 00:37:12.360 never dreamt I'd be doing that. 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:13.480 And we've been effective. 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:20.960 [SIDE CONVERSATION] 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:29.120 And I believe that in terms of 00:37:29.120 --> 00:37:31.880 D'Aufour, 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.920 to-- prior to D'Aufour, 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.880 secondly, we've set up what's 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:40.810 called the-- well, first of all 00:37:40.810 --> 00:37:42.320 , I agree with my opponent 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.440 that it's hard work. 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.320 Everybody knows it's hard work. 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.230 But by speaking clearly, it'll 00:37:48.230 --> 00:37:50.560 mean it's less likely we 00:37:50.560 --> 00:37:53.760 have to use force. 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.120 That wasn't a popular move. 00:37:55.120 --> 00:38:00.920 And it's hard work. 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.010 And I made some tough decisions 00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:06.640 . 00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:07.760 So you say was it worth it? 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:08.760 It wasn't-- 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.030 Yeah, I understand what it 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:16.120 means to be the commander-chief 00:38:16.120 --> 00:38:16.280 . 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:17.600 We're making progress. 00:38:17.600 --> 00:38:18.560 It is hard work. 00:38:18.560 --> 00:38:20.180 Of course, I know Osama bin 00:38:20.180 --> 00:38:21.560 Laden attacked us. 00:38:21.560 --> 00:38:23.120 I know that. 00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:25.220 Of course, we're after Saddam 00:38:25.220 --> 00:38:26.080 Hussein. 00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:28.880 I mean, bin Laden. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:29.360 Let me say it. 00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:30.240 I certainly hope so. 00:38:32.520 --> 00:38:47.280 Before I-- to-- more of the-- 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.440 and it is-- 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.440 one of the things I've learned 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:51.080 in the White House 00:38:51.080 --> 00:38:52.590 is that there's enormous 00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:53.840 pressure on the president. 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:55.030 And you cannot wilt under that 00:38:55.030 --> 00:38:56.160 pressure otherwise. 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.780 I just think, how can I follow 00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:05.440 this guy? 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.880 I think that by speaking 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.960 clearly, let me-- 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:17.720 you know, my hardest-- 00:39:17.720 --> 00:39:20.860 the hardest part of the job is 00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:22.000 something 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.240 as fundamental as what you 00:39:25.240 --> 00:39:26.880 believe in your core 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.760 and your heart of hearts is 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.560 right for-- in Iraq. 00:39:31.560 --> 00:39:33.920 You cannot lead if you send 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:35.680 mixed messages. 00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:40.530 You know, it's hard work to try 00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:41.360 to-- 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:46.920 I know what I said was that 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.400 democracy will best-- 00:39:50.400 --> 00:40:01.100 I believe that we've done a lot 00:40:01.100 --> 00:40:05.360 of hard work together 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:06.550 over the last three and a half 00:40:06.550 --> 00:40:06.960 years. 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.910 You know, we have to be right 00:40:13.910 --> 00:40:20.080 100% of the time. 00:40:20.080 --> 00:40:24.280 It's-- and it's hard work. 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:25.480 That's not going to happen so 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:26.760 long as I'm your president. 00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:31.960 Oh, I'm a pretty calm guy. 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.240 I don't take it personally. 00:40:34.240 --> 00:40:36.760 I understand that we must-- 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:43.680 let me tell you one thing. 00:40:43.680 --> 00:40:45.140 Actually, we've increased 00:40:45.140 --> 00:40:49.520 funding for dealing 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:50.760 with nuclear proliferation. 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:57.380 Let me-- first, of course, we 00:40:57.380 --> 00:40:58.160 've done everything 00:40:58.160 --> 00:41:01.960 we can to protect America. 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:03.120 I wake up every day thinking 00:41:03.120 --> 00:41:04.200 about how best to protect 00:41:04.200 --> 00:41:04.560 America. 00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:06.360 That's my job. 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:07.430 There's a lot of really good 00:41:07.430 --> 00:41:09.840 people working hard to do so. 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.670 It's hard work for so long as I 00:41:11.670 --> 00:41:13.080 'm the president. 00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:15.120 Sometimes you feel like a nut. 00:41:15.120 --> 00:41:16.120 Sometimes you don't. 00:41:16.120 --> 00:41:19.600 [MUSIC - "CALL IT"] 00:41:19.600 --> 00:41:23.600 Call it, call my name. 00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:32.080 Call it, call my name. 00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:39.740 I heard your voice this morning 00:41:39.740 --> 00:41:40.560 . 00:41:40.560 --> 00:41:42.560 Call it now, my name. 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.110 It'd been so long since I've 00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:50.680 heard that it didn't really 00:41:50.680 --> 00:41:54.520 sound quite the same, no. 00:41:54.520 --> 00:41:58.170 But it let me know that my name 00:41:58.170 --> 00:41:59.280 had never really 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.760 been spoken before. 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.520 Before the day I carried you to 00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:07.240 the bridal path, though. 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:12.890 It never says the day I haven't 00:42:12.890 --> 00:42:15.200 wanted anyone but you. 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:22.090 And anybody who really knows me 00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:23.160 knows the truth. 00:42:23.160 --> 00:42:28.760 I just can't stop writing songs 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.160 about you. 00:42:31.160 --> 00:42:32.640 I love you so much. 00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:36.880 I just can't wait to get my 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.680 arms around you. 00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:41.120 Maybe you'll touch it. 00:42:41.120 --> 00:42:45.490 If I don't see you real soon, 00:42:45.490 --> 00:42:49.120 baby girl, I might go insane. 00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:54.070 No, it's only been three hours, 00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:56.200 but another when 00:42:56.200 --> 00:42:58.120 you call my name. 00:42:58.120 --> 00:42:59.120 Yes, I do. 00:42:59.120 --> 00:43:03.190 I heard a voice on the news 00:43:03.190 --> 00:43:04.920 saying people 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:06.920 want to stop the war. 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.920 Stop the war. 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:12.530 If they had love as sweet as 00:43:12.530 --> 00:43:13.040 you, 00:43:13.040 --> 00:43:14.290 they'd forget what they were 00:43:14.290 --> 00:43:15.040 fighting for. 00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:19.720 What's the matter with the 00:43:19.720 --> 00:43:22.520 world today? 00:43:22.520 --> 00:43:25.760 Land of the free, somebody lie. 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:27.800 They can blow my phone and 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.720 people round my home. 00:43:29.720 --> 00:43:32.140 They'll only see you and me 00:43:32.140 --> 00:43:34.520 naked, lying inside. 00:43:34.520 --> 00:43:37.300 I just can't stop writing songs 00:43:37.300 --> 00:43:38.520 about you. 00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:40.520 I love you so much. 00:43:40.520 --> 00:43:43.870 I just can't wait to get my 00:43:43.870 --> 00:43:46.520 arms around you. 00:43:46.520 --> 00:43:48.520 Maybe you'll touch it. 00:43:48.520 --> 00:43:52.700 If I don't see you real soon, 00:43:52.700 --> 00:43:56.520 baby girl, I might go insane. 00:43:56.520 --> 00:43:58.520 Oh, crazy. 00:43:58.520 --> 00:44:00.760 I know it's only been three 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:02.520 hours, but another when 00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:04.520 you call my name. 00:44:04.520 --> 00:44:21.780 Never seen the moon look so 00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:29.520 lovely as the night I saw you. 00:44:30.520 --> 00:44:34.010 Let me know I'd never seen the 00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.520 moon before. 00:44:36.520 --> 00:44:39.520 Never seen the moon before. 00:44:39.520 --> 00:44:43.580 So many speak of the moon as 00:44:43.580 --> 00:44:47.520 though it had no flaws. 00:44:47.520 --> 00:44:50.880 But to compare it to a beauty 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.410 like yours, what you want to 00:44:54.410 --> 00:44:55.520 fall. 00:44:55.520 --> 00:44:59.520 Nothing about you is false. 00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:03.520 That's why your love is real. 00:45:03.520 --> 00:45:06.520 That's why your love is real. 00:45:06.520 --> 00:45:09.400 God forbid, if you belong to 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.520 another, I'd have to stay here. 00:45:12.520 --> 00:45:16.520 I might be tempted to break the 00:45:16.520 --> 00:45:17.520 law. 00:45:19.520 --> 00:45:23.600 Because your beauty gives it 00:45:23.600 --> 00:45:25.520 one point. 00:45:25.520 --> 00:45:28.520 It slows me down in time. 00:45:28.520 --> 00:45:30.580 Just can't stop writing songs 00:45:30.580 --> 00:45:31.520 about you. 00:45:31.520 --> 00:45:33.520 I love you so much. 00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:36.870 I just can't wait to get my 00:45:36.870 --> 00:45:39.520 arms around you. 00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:42.520 Maybe you'll touch it. 00:45:42.520 --> 00:45:46.010 If I don't see you real soon, 00:45:46.010 --> 00:45:48.520 baby girl, I might go insane. 00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:51.520 Crazy. 00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:53.800 No one's soul has been three 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.340 hours, but another when you 00:45:56.340 --> 00:45:57.520 call my name. 00:45:57.520 --> 00:46:00.520 Honey, what you call? 00:46:00.520 --> 00:46:04.520 Call, call my name. 00:46:04.520 --> 00:46:15.520 That's right. 00:46:15.520 --> 00:46:20.520 And I love you. 00:46:20.520 --> 00:46:25.620 So I don't know where we got 00:46:25.620 --> 00:46:28.990 cut off, but my closing, I was 00:46:28.990 --> 00:46:30.520 ready to sort of move on. 00:46:30.520 --> 00:46:33.280 Except I was said that's why 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.230 everyone's so excited about the 00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:38.520 podcasting thing is because 00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:40.860 it's almost like a mathematical 00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:42.940 thing is that for blogging to 00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:46.520 really achieve its destiny, 00:46:46.520 --> 00:46:48.710 it's got to have this element 00:46:48.710 --> 00:46:49.520 to it too. 00:46:49.520 --> 00:46:52.690 It's got to reach into the car 00:46:52.690 --> 00:46:55.220 stereo and into, you know, when 00:46:55.220 --> 00:46:57.520 you're away from your computer, 00:46:57.520 --> 00:46:59.520 but you want that. 00:46:59.520 --> 00:47:01.200 What was the guy from CBC who 00:47:01.200 --> 00:47:02.760 pointed to him today and said 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:04.520 the reason why radio is so cool 00:47:04.520 --> 00:47:06.540 is because it taps into your 00:47:06.540 --> 00:47:07.520 imagination. 00:47:07.520 --> 00:47:09.600 Exactly. Theater of the mind is 00:47:09.600 --> 00:47:10.520 what we call it. 00:47:10.520 --> 00:47:12.520 So true. Exactly. 00:47:12.520 --> 00:47:14.680 So it feels good because this 00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:16.630 is one of the checkboxes we 00:47:16.630 --> 00:47:17.520 need to fill in. 00:47:17.520 --> 00:47:19.130 We need to know how to do this 00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:20.250 and we need to have a 00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:22.150 distribution system for this 00:47:22.150 --> 00:47:23.520 kind of expression. 00:47:23.520 --> 00:47:26.520 So it's cool. 00:47:26.520 --> 00:47:28.520 I think we'll pass the leading. 00:47:28.520 --> 00:47:31.780 I think we'll have more flow 00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:34.670 for the blogs than any 00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:38.520 professional medium very soon. 00:47:38.520 --> 00:47:41.040 Excellent. You know more than 00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:43.520 we do, Dave. That's for sure. 00:47:43.520 --> 00:47:45.520 Well, I don't know about that. 00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:47.260 It's just to sort of like put 00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:48.780 my finger in the wind and, you 00:47:48.780 --> 00:47:49.740 know, wind it up a little bit 00:47:49.740 --> 00:47:51.520 and see what it feels like. 00:47:51.520 --> 00:47:52.570 Well, that's what you guys do 00:47:52.570 --> 00:47:53.520 in Seattle in Holland. 00:47:53.520 --> 00:47:54.320 We just put our finger in the 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.520 dike. You know, that's my job. 00:47:56.520 --> 00:47:58.520 There you go. 00:47:58.520 --> 00:48:00.060 So let's hear the theme song 00:48:00.060 --> 00:48:00.520 now. 00:48:00.520 --> 00:48:02.520 Let's get the fuck out of here. 00:48:02.520 --> 00:48:04.950 All right, Dave, we'll talk to 00:48:04.950 --> 00:48:06.520 you soon, buddy. 00:48:06.520 --> 00:48:08.520 See you soon. Bye-bye. 00:48:08.520 --> 00:48:29.520 [Music]