WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.580 (upbeat music) 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:05.960 ♪ Throw em up, throw em up 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:06.000 ♪ 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.600 ♪ It's trade secrets ♪ 00:00:07.600 --> 00:00:09.590 ♪ Throw em up, it's trade 00:00:09.590 --> 00:00:10.520 secrets ♪ 00:00:10.520 --> 00:00:12.800 - Hey everybody, good morning. 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:14.100 Good afternoon, our good 00:00:14.100 --> 00:00:14.840 evening. 00:00:14.840 --> 00:00:17.320 It's trade secrets for Friday, 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.480 October 1st, 2004. 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:21.240 I'm Adam Curry in Belgium. 00:00:21.240 --> 00:00:23.920 - Dave Wider here at Seattle. 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:26.350 - And then we got our stuff 00:00:26.350 --> 00:00:27.560 worked out. 00:00:27.560 --> 00:00:28.900 This is working now finally. 00:00:28.900 --> 00:00:30.240 You're sounding pretty good for 00:00:30.240 --> 00:00:31.400 the first time, Dave. 00:00:31.400 --> 00:00:32.240 - Think so. 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.050 - Well, no, but it makes you 00:00:34.050 --> 00:00:35.080 feel better. 00:00:35.080 --> 00:00:36.320 (laughing) 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:37.160 Not really. 00:00:37.160 --> 00:00:38.520 (laughing) 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.120 - Oops, oops. 00:00:40.120 --> 00:00:42.160 What the fuck, oops, I, oh, 00:00:42.160 --> 00:00:43.600 actually I can say words 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:44.440 like that. 00:00:44.440 --> 00:00:45.190 - Of course you can say words 00:00:45.190 --> 00:00:45.560 like that. 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:46.880 That's what it's all about. 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:48.160 - What the fuck, what the fuck? 00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:49.380 - So let me just tell our 00:00:49.380 --> 00:00:50.920 listeners that, 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:52.440 who of course were all ready to 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:52.880 listen to 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:54.840 a trade secrets this morning 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:55.280 that we did 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:56.560 during the presidential debate. 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:58.160 It did, we did do a show. 00:00:59.140 --> 00:01:00.480 - We did it, we did. 00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:01.320 - And we did, we-- 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:02.300 - It really sucked. 00:01:02.300 --> 00:01:03.280 - Yeah, we did it in the 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:04.580 business of what we call a burn 00:01:04.580 --> 00:01:04.820 . 00:01:04.820 --> 00:01:07.100 We burned the show. 00:01:07.100 --> 00:01:08.350 It's not like burning it to a 00:01:08.350 --> 00:01:08.660 CD. 00:01:08.660 --> 00:01:10.080 It's like taking the physical 00:01:10.080 --> 00:01:11.040 tape if it resisted 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:11.880 and burning it. 00:01:11.880 --> 00:01:13.680 Yeah, it sucked. 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:14.860 It was fun to sit there and 00:01:14.860 --> 00:01:16.180 watch the debate with you, 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:17.890 but I don't think anyone else 00:01:17.890 --> 00:01:19.400 would get a rat's ass. 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:20.740 - Nah. 00:01:20.740 --> 00:01:22.260 - About what we had to say. 00:01:22.260 --> 00:01:23.380 - No, no. 00:01:23.380 --> 00:01:24.880 You know what's funny, I'm 00:01:24.880 --> 00:01:26.660 watching the network news show 00:01:26.660 --> 00:01:29.880 this morning and God if they 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:31.200 aren't spinning 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:32.550 the whole thing in favor of 00:01:32.550 --> 00:01:34.480 Bush, it's really unreal. 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:36.410 - I read something that said, 00:01:36.410 --> 00:01:38.320 since Kerry didn't score 00:01:38.320 --> 00:01:40.280 a clear win, he therefore lost. 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:41.910 That seems to be kind of the 00:01:41.910 --> 00:01:42.760 analysis 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:44.160 of the spin that I'm reading. 00:01:44.160 --> 00:01:47.580 - And they've been bitching at 00:01:47.580 --> 00:01:49.160 Kerry for months 00:01:49.160 --> 00:01:50.940 because he doesn't present a 00:01:50.940 --> 00:01:52.620 plan for what he's gonna do. 00:01:52.620 --> 00:01:54.310 So this morning it was a 00:01:54.310 --> 00:01:55.920 laundry list. 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:57.060 - Oh really? 00:01:57.060 --> 00:01:58.660 - What's the guy gotta do? 00:01:58.660 --> 00:02:01.060 Who does he have to blow? 00:02:01.060 --> 00:02:03.380 The thing to remember is that 00:02:03.380 --> 00:02:04.820 these are the same guys 00:02:04.820 --> 00:02:06.700 who decided that Howard Dean 00:02:06.700 --> 00:02:07.940 shouldn't be the Democratic 00:02:07.940 --> 00:02:09.020 candidate. - Shouldn't be the 00:02:09.020 --> 00:02:09.300 candidate. 00:02:09.300 --> 00:02:10.140 Yeah, right. 00:02:10.140 --> 00:02:11.780 - Yeah, and they sort of feel 00:02:11.780 --> 00:02:13.260 like that this whole thing 00:02:13.260 --> 00:02:14.820 we do called voting is kind of 00:02:14.820 --> 00:02:17.020 just like a little formality. 00:02:17.020 --> 00:02:18.900 Rat's like their position. 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:20.370 - Well, let's get your analysis 00:02:20.370 --> 00:02:21.500 on the debate, Dave. 00:02:21.500 --> 00:02:22.760 What did you think of the 00:02:22.760 --> 00:02:23.940 debate last night? 00:02:23.940 --> 00:02:26.150 - Kerry fucking kicked, but I 00:02:26.150 --> 00:02:28.000 mean, George Bush, 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.840 I don't know what they told him 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.200 in the prep for this thing, 00:02:31.200 --> 00:02:33.500 but I went around. 00:02:33.500 --> 00:02:36.700 The best I heard, the best 00:02:36.700 --> 00:02:39.660 analysis was in Time Magazine, 00:02:39.660 --> 00:02:43.120 where the guy said that Bush 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:45.560 came, showed up with 30 minutes 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:46.900 of material for a 90 minute 00:02:46.900 --> 00:02:47.400 debate. 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:48.870 - Yeah, I read that one too, 00:02:48.870 --> 00:02:49.360 yeah. 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.790 I believe, I agree with that 00:02:50.790 --> 00:02:52.000 because he repeated 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.160 certain things 10, 11 times, 00:02:54.160 --> 00:02:54.980 and he even said, 00:02:54.980 --> 00:02:56.390 I can't say it enough, I keep 00:02:56.390 --> 00:02:57.500 repeating myself. 00:02:57.500 --> 00:02:59.340 Yeah, well, yeah. 00:02:59.340 --> 00:03:00.920 - And Scott Rosenberg pointed 00:03:00.920 --> 00:03:03.140 out that the whole bit 00:03:03.140 --> 00:03:04.350 with the lights, which was 00:03:04.350 --> 00:03:05.800 supposed to be Kerry's 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:06.400 nightmare, 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.120 turned out to be Bush's because 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:10.340 the light would just 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:13.210 stay on and Bush had nothing to 00:03:13.210 --> 00:03:13.940 say. 00:03:13.940 --> 00:03:16.260 (laughing) 00:03:16.260 --> 00:03:17.880 - He wasn't being confused now 00:03:17.880 --> 00:03:18.460 and then wasn't he? 00:03:18.460 --> 00:03:21.060 - And Kerry, Kerry, they gave 00:03:21.060 --> 00:03:22.520 him nice lessons 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.520 and he genuinely came across as 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.040 a thoughtful, nice, 00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:28.270 intelligent, I love the point 00:03:28.270 --> 00:03:31.120 where Larry said, 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.270 and you say that the president 00:03:33.270 --> 00:03:34.000 has been lying, 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:35.780 and Kerry goes, well, I've been 00:03:35.780 --> 00:03:36.360 really careful 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:37.960 not to actually use that word. 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.120 - Use that word, yeah. 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.160 - Right, and at that moment you 00:03:41.160 --> 00:03:42.240 go, wow. 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.060 And then I thought about the, 00:03:46.920 --> 00:03:49.560 there was a thing on TV the day 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.760 before with Lynn Cheney 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:54.660 and what's the vice president's 00:03:54.660 --> 00:03:55.700 first name? 00:03:55.700 --> 00:03:56.820 I can't think of it for some 00:03:56.820 --> 00:03:57.340 reason. 00:03:57.340 --> 00:03:58.680 Richard Cheney, Dick Cheney. 00:03:58.680 --> 00:03:59.600 - Dick Cheney, yeah. 00:03:59.600 --> 00:04:00.760 - Yeah, I remember his wife's 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:01.680 name. 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:03.660 So they were on some sort of 00:04:03.660 --> 00:04:04.960 Oprah-like show, 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:06.700 Ray's stage in the middle of a 00:04:06.700 --> 00:04:07.280 big room, 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.190 and Cheney, and they clearly 00:04:09.190 --> 00:04:11.000 had rehearsed this beforehand. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.560 He feeds her a fat, straight 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:14.360 man line, 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.080 and she says, oh yeah, he's got 00:04:17.080 --> 00:04:18.480 orange skin. 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:19.900 What is this orange thing we're 00:04:19.900 --> 00:04:20.720 behind you of? 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:21.560 And she says, I don't know, 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.120 should I say it? 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:23.320 And he goes, well, what the 00:04:23.320 --> 00:04:23.720 hell? 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.180 You know, she goes, oh, you're 00:04:25.180 --> 00:04:25.580 right, 00:04:25.580 --> 00:04:27.120 Kerry's orange skin. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.490 And I go, wow, I mean, this is 00:04:29.490 --> 00:04:29.840 like, 00:04:29.840 --> 00:04:32.640 I don't think they're running 00:04:32.640 --> 00:04:33.360 for president 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:34.200 of the United States. 00:04:34.200 --> 00:04:35.140 - That's like grade school 00:04:35.140 --> 00:04:35.760 stuff, man. 00:04:35.760 --> 00:04:37.320 - Yeah, not class president of 00:04:37.320 --> 00:04:37.880 the six. 00:04:37.880 --> 00:04:39.200 - Really, really. 00:04:39.200 --> 00:04:41.240 - Yeah, it's like, oh, okay, 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:42.750 so that's how you want to run 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:43.800 this election. 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:44.640 - I gotta tell you though, 00:04:44.640 --> 00:04:46.920 I thought John Kerry certainly 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.840 came across much better, 00:04:48.840 --> 00:04:50.610 much more confident when he 00:04:50.610 --> 00:04:51.120 disagreed 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.160 with something Bush said. 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:54.960 His facial expressions were 00:04:54.960 --> 00:04:55.680 much more, 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.250 and we're just like, hey, you 00:04:58.250 --> 00:04:58.440 know, 00:04:58.440 --> 00:05:00.740 I don't know, the president's 00:05:00.740 --> 00:05:01.520 all wrong. 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:02.770 I'm gonna set him straight in a 00:05:02.770 --> 00:05:03.240 second. 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:04.430 And when Bush was disagreeing 00:05:04.430 --> 00:05:04.920 with stuff, 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:06.600 he was making the most God-aw 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:07.400 ful faces. 00:05:07.400 --> 00:05:09.360 In fact, Yahoo, I posted a link 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:09.600 to it, 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:10.850 that one of the most popular 00:05:10.850 --> 00:05:11.320 pictures, 00:05:11.320 --> 00:05:12.930 they have a page, which picture 00:05:12.930 --> 00:05:13.320 's been viewed. 00:05:13.320 --> 00:05:14.160 - Oh yeah? 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:15.000 - The most, emailed the most. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:15.840 Oh, it's hilarious. 00:05:15.840 --> 00:05:17.720 It's exactly one of those faces 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.880 that the president was making. 00:05:19.880 --> 00:05:20.720 - Yeah. 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:21.810 - Well, you could do something 00:05:21.810 --> 00:05:22.280 with that. 00:05:22.280 --> 00:05:23.530 - That's ready for a photo fuck 00:05:23.530 --> 00:05:24.520 , isn't it? 00:05:24.520 --> 00:05:26.120 - But they had a little snippet 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:27.120 of John Stewart 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:28.760 on these this morning. 00:05:28.760 --> 00:05:29.960 Just sort of, for whatever 00:05:29.960 --> 00:05:30.320 reason, 00:05:30.320 --> 00:05:32.260 see, man, did some kind of deal 00:05:32.260 --> 00:05:32.680 with him, 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.310 'cause they now run little 00:05:34.310 --> 00:05:34.960 snippets. 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:37.570 And when Kerry does his opening 00:05:37.570 --> 00:05:38.120 intro, 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:39.560 where he says, "But first I'd 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.640 like to thank my mother 00:05:41.640 --> 00:05:43.400 "and you and God." 00:05:43.400 --> 00:05:44.690 - Which I thought was kind of 00:05:44.690 --> 00:05:45.840 lame, quite honestly. 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:47.450 - The dorky, and then Stewart 00:05:47.450 --> 00:05:47.840 does it, 00:05:47.840 --> 00:05:49.460 I can't imitate this, since 00:05:49.460 --> 00:05:50.440 this is radio. 00:05:50.440 --> 00:05:52.240 He has that lurch-like look 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:53.800 where he tilts his head back. 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.040 (laughing) 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:57.600 And he goes, and then he says, 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.240 "Oh, this is going to be a long 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:01.600 , long thing." 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.840 (laughing) 00:06:03.840 --> 00:06:04.960 I go, "Right." 00:06:04.960 --> 00:06:05.800 - Oh shit. 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:06.800 - You gotta poke fun at that 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:07.120 guy. 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:08.590 The thing about Kerry is, is 00:06:08.590 --> 00:06:10.880 that he doesn't seem to mind it 00:06:10.880 --> 00:06:12.280 if you poke fun at him. 00:06:12.280 --> 00:06:14.510 He is, his ego seems to be 00:06:14.510 --> 00:06:15.200 intact, 00:06:15.200 --> 00:06:17.070 whereas God forbid anybody 00:06:17.070 --> 00:06:18.080 should ever, 00:06:18.080 --> 00:06:20.360 can you imagine somebody, you 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:23.080 know, like Edwards saying that, 00:06:23.080 --> 00:06:25.430 well gee, Elizabeth, right, 00:06:25.430 --> 00:06:27.040 that's his wife, Elizabeth. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:28.760 What were we talking about, 00:06:28.760 --> 00:06:30.400 about Bush the other day? 00:06:30.400 --> 00:06:32.090 She says, "I don't know, should 00:06:32.090 --> 00:06:32.760 I say it?" 00:06:32.760 --> 00:06:33.840 - Alcoholism. 00:06:33.840 --> 00:06:36.080 (laughing) 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:38.400 - Or can you say brain damage? 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:40.350 Or, remember, was the brightest 00:06:40.350 --> 00:06:41.560 light bulb anyway? 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:43.320 (laughing) 00:06:43.320 --> 00:06:44.520 - No, I can't imagine that. 00:06:44.520 --> 00:06:46.600 No, I can't imagine that. 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.690 - No, but of course these 00:06:47.690 --> 00:06:49.880 things actually kind of matter. 00:06:49.880 --> 00:06:52.040 Just the slightest little bit. 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:53.130 - It's not even the slightest 00:06:53.130 --> 00:06:53.440 bit. 00:06:53.440 --> 00:06:55.000 These things totally matter. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:56.680 The way you come across in the 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.400 media is so important. 00:06:58.400 --> 00:06:59.440 It's-- 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:01.240 - I think it also, when you're, 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:02.480 it matters how you come across 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:02.920 in the room 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:04.000 where you decide whether or not 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.840 you're gonna fire off the nukes 00:07:05.840 --> 00:07:06.120 . 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:07.320 - Oh yeah, sure, sure. 00:07:07.320 --> 00:07:08.680 - I look at you and say, "Well, 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:09.400 I think this guy 00:07:09.400 --> 00:07:11.160 "kind of knows what he's doing 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:11.240 ." 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.240 'Cause that's how you prevent 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:14.920 the coup d'etat, actually. 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.360 (laughing) 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:18.440 At that moment, well whatever. 00:07:18.440 --> 00:07:20.400 So, I don't know, it's 00:07:20.400 --> 00:07:21.360 depressing in a way 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:23.000 because they're gonna pave this 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.440 thing over and-- 00:07:24.440 --> 00:07:25.280 - Well there's more debates. 00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:26.720 Is there another one coming up 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:27.880 in a week from now? 00:07:27.880 --> 00:07:30.640 - Yeah, but it'll be 00:07:30.640 --> 00:07:33.200 interesting to see, 00:07:33.200 --> 00:07:36.080 I'm sure that this got Bush's 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:37.200 attention 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:38.570 in the early polls on this 00:07:38.570 --> 00:07:38.920 thing. 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:43.920 We're 53 to 37, Kerry to Bush. 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.110 So everybody watching it, well 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:47.000 not everybody. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.280 Some people, 37% of the people 00:07:49.280 --> 00:07:49.600 thought 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:51.560 that W. Cleen, Kerry's clock, 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:51.960 but-- 00:07:51.960 --> 00:07:53.850 - I disagree with that, but if 00:07:53.850 --> 00:07:56.160 I were for Bush, 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:57.220 I would think that it wasn't 00:07:57.220 --> 00:07:57.880 all that bad. 00:07:57.880 --> 00:07:59.960 I can certainly see someone 00:07:59.960 --> 00:08:00.840 from a Bush perspective 00:08:00.840 --> 00:08:02.350 saying, "Oh well, he held up 00:08:02.350 --> 00:08:02.680 okay." 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:03.990 And of course, he had just been 00:08:03.990 --> 00:08:04.600 in Florida, 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:05.720 he was really tired, he really 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:06.080 didn't have 00:08:06.080 --> 00:08:08.030 enough sleep for the, I'm 00:08:08.030 --> 00:08:08.760 reading that all over the place 00:08:08.760 --> 00:08:08.840 . 00:08:08.840 --> 00:08:09.880 - And he had too much to drink 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:10.680 that before. 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:11.520 (laughing) 00:08:11.520 --> 00:08:12.840 He had too much to drink. 00:08:12.840 --> 00:08:14.280 (laughing) 00:08:14.280 --> 00:08:15.120 - Damn. 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:15.960 (laughing) 00:08:15.960 --> 00:08:16.800 - Oh Dave. 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:17.800 Now you have no proof of that, 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:19.440 mister, you don't know that. 00:08:19.440 --> 00:08:20.480 (laughing) 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:22.440 - I know, it's true, but I don 00:08:22.440 --> 00:08:23.560 't know, what the hell. 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:24.400 - Yeah, exactly. 00:08:24.400 --> 00:08:25.560 - Do whatever we can. 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:27.280 - So something good that came 00:08:27.280 --> 00:08:29.000 out of last night 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.000 is we fixed the X-10 phone 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:31.600 sound, 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.520 that sounds much better. 00:08:33.520 --> 00:08:34.400 And it works a hell of a lot 00:08:34.400 --> 00:08:34.840 better. 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.120 - Yeah, I like it a lot. 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:37.420 Although today you're a little 00:08:37.420 --> 00:08:37.720 more, 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.760 sometimes you do a little more 00:08:40.760 --> 00:08:42.600 Robocopping, Digi thing, 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:43.650 but that's just probably 00:08:43.650 --> 00:08:45.240 network latency or whatever. 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:46.600 God knows. 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.630 - You're a bit choppy over what 00:08:48.630 --> 00:08:49.680 I'm saying. 00:08:49.680 --> 00:08:51.120 - Yeah, so we're probably both. 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.550 It is a bit choppy, but it's 00:08:53.550 --> 00:08:54.640 better than, 00:08:54.640 --> 00:08:56.200 I like it a lot better than 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:57.520 opening up iChat 00:08:57.520 --> 00:08:59.090 and covering up my webcam, I 00:08:59.090 --> 00:08:59.640 hate that. 00:08:59.640 --> 00:09:02.290 That doesn't seem very 00:09:02.290 --> 00:09:03.560 efficient. 00:09:03.560 --> 00:09:05.280 Or it doesn't look cool also. 00:09:05.280 --> 00:09:06.880 What are you doing with that 00:09:06.880 --> 00:09:07.960 rag over your webcam? 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:09.160 Today I'm podcasting. 00:09:09.160 --> 00:09:12.870 - Well, no, I said your wife 00:09:12.870 --> 00:09:16.200 and daughters say that we-- 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.390 - Hold on, there's a guy that's 00:09:18.390 --> 00:09:19.800 got a book there. 00:09:19.800 --> 00:09:21.280 So there's only one more thing 00:09:21.280 --> 00:09:22.120 I need for my setup 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:23.520 and then it's complete. 00:09:23.520 --> 00:09:27.380 I need to have a wireless 00:09:27.380 --> 00:09:29.240 transmitter 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:30.440 so that I can walk around with 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:31.200 a wireless mic 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:32.360 and wireless headphones. 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:34.040 Then I'm completely set. 00:09:34.040 --> 00:09:34.880 - Yeah. 00:09:34.880 --> 00:09:35.620 - Then I have everything I want 00:09:35.620 --> 00:09:35.720 . 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.570 - Yeah, when you get one of 00:09:37.570 --> 00:09:39.920 those, get me one too. 00:09:39.920 --> 00:09:41.170 Right now I need the same thing 00:09:41.170 --> 00:09:41.360 . 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:42.680 You know, the song for today 00:09:42.680 --> 00:09:43.920 might be, 00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:45.470 there's this great song by Dan 00:09:45.470 --> 00:09:46.760 Hicks and the Hot Licks. 00:09:46.760 --> 00:09:48.400 Do you know those guys? 00:09:48.400 --> 00:09:49.660 - I was already going to my 00:09:49.660 --> 00:09:50.160 iTunes, 00:09:50.160 --> 00:09:52.640 but I doubt I have Dan Hicks. 00:09:52.640 --> 00:09:53.640 - I have it. 00:09:53.640 --> 00:09:54.480 - Really? 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:55.840 - Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks. 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:57.760 And the song-- 00:09:57.760 --> 00:09:59.000 - Can you email it to me? 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.120 - The name of the song. 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:00.960 - Can you email it? 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:01.800 - Of course, I will. 00:10:01.800 --> 00:10:02.640 - Yeah, we'll get it out. 00:10:02.640 --> 00:10:03.480 - Yeah, I will. 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:04.480 - Okay. 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:05.470 - All right, hold on, let me 00:10:05.470 --> 00:10:07.080 just, oh, yeah, oh. 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:08.460 I was gonna go get it off my iP 00:10:08.460 --> 00:10:08.600 od, 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:10.000 but then, oh, it's on my hard 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:10.400 drive. 00:10:10.400 --> 00:10:11.210 - It should be on your hard 00:10:11.210 --> 00:10:11.800 drive, yeah. 00:10:11.800 --> 00:10:12.640 - Yeah. 00:10:12.640 --> 00:10:14.040 - Oh, it is. 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:15.080 That would be cool, by the way, 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:17.820 if iTunes had a command for 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:19.880 email this song. 00:10:19.880 --> 00:10:20.790 Oh, that's right, record 00:10:20.790 --> 00:10:22.000 companies wouldn't like that. 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:22.940 - I don't think so. 00:10:22.940 --> 00:10:25.080 I think, cool idea, Dave. 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.220 But then again, it's really 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:26.360 easy 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:27.720 to make a plugin for iTunes. 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:28.800 You could make that, and 00:10:28.800 --> 00:10:30.840 someone could make that 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.930 in two seconds if they were 00:10:32.930 --> 00:10:33.640 doing, 00:10:33.640 --> 00:10:35.760 I mean, iTunes and iPod hacking 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:36.560 is cult now, 00:10:36.560 --> 00:10:38.780 as everyone is, that's what I 00:10:38.780 --> 00:10:39.720 do like about it. 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:40.560 - Oh, I got this great book. 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:41.680 I got this great book, you 00:10:41.680 --> 00:10:42.520 gotta hear about this. 00:10:42.520 --> 00:10:43.360 - What's this? 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:44.770 - It's called Hacking iPod and 00:10:44.770 --> 00:10:46.640 iTunes by Scott Knaster. 00:10:46.640 --> 00:10:47.480 - Oh, cool. 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:48.800 - And it just came in the mail 00:10:48.800 --> 00:10:49.040 today, 00:10:49.040 --> 00:10:50.520 and I've known Scott for ages. 00:10:50.520 --> 00:10:53.360 Scott wrote the original 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.520 programmers' Bible 00:10:55.520 --> 00:10:57.440 for the Macintosh OS. 00:10:57.440 --> 00:10:58.280 - Oh, really? 00:10:58.280 --> 00:11:00.130 - Yeah, it was the one you kept 00:11:00.130 --> 00:11:01.480 around, basically. 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.610 It had all the sort of little 00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:04.320 secrets 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:05.820 that we were all sharing 00:11:05.820 --> 00:11:07.080 amongst each other. 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.400 And he also went on to General 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:10.200 Magic. 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:11.560 He went truly general. 00:11:11.560 --> 00:11:12.680 - General Magic, I remember 00:11:12.680 --> 00:11:13.720 that, that was cool. 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.290 The Magic Cap OS or whatever it 00:11:16.290 --> 00:11:16.960 was. 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.480 - Yeah, yeah. 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.440 Well, they were pretty cool. 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:21.340 - I still have one of those 00:11:21.340 --> 00:11:21.920 handhelds. 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:23.430 I have one of those with Magic 00:11:23.430 --> 00:11:24.120 Cap on it. 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:25.120 - Oh, you bought one, did you? 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:26.240 - No, no, they gave me one. 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:27.440 I think I was at the launch for 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.160 some reason, 00:11:28.160 --> 00:11:30.480 or a launch, I can't remember. 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:31.800 - Yeah, yeah. 00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:32.920 They wouldn't let me develop 00:11:32.920 --> 00:11:33.480 before it. 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:34.680 They said we already have 00:11:34.680 --> 00:11:35.920 enough developers, so. 00:11:35.920 --> 00:11:36.760 - Yeah, you're a threat. 00:11:36.760 --> 00:11:37.600 And look where they are. 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.410 They really did did well, didn 00:11:39.410 --> 00:11:39.960 't they? 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.440 - It worked great for them, 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:42.000 buddy. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:42.840 - It sure did. 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.710 - But Scott was not one of 00:11:44.710 --> 00:11:45.880 those guys. 00:11:45.880 --> 00:11:49.200 Scott is a genuinely great guy, 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:51.400 and the book looks wonderful. 00:11:51.400 --> 00:11:52.960 I really want, you know what I 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:53.400 want? 00:11:53.400 --> 00:11:56.040 I want to set verbs in frontier 00:11:56.040 --> 00:11:57.160 that allow me 00:11:57.160 --> 00:11:58.000 to talk to iTunes. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.280 - Do whatever I want. 00:12:00.280 --> 00:12:01.560 No, I don't care about iTunes. 00:12:01.560 --> 00:12:02.960 I want the iPod. 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.040 I want to make my own iTunes. 00:12:05.040 --> 00:12:05.770 I don't like the way that works 00:12:05.770 --> 00:12:05.880 . 00:12:05.880 --> 00:12:06.720 - Oh, okay, yeah. 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.600 Well, that's gonna be real easy 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:10.080 . 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.680 It's gonna be real easy because 00:12:11.680 --> 00:12:12.280 it's all, 00:12:12.280 --> 00:12:13.320 that's the thing that Apple did 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:13.400 is 00:12:13.400 --> 00:12:14.600 they left all of that open. 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.440 If you want to put songs on, 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:17.320 take songs off, 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:18.400 rearrange them, you can do that 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:19.120 all with, 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.110 of course it's an Apple script 00:12:21.110 --> 00:12:21.480 API. 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:22.320 - Really? 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.280 - Or Apple, I guess it is. 00:12:25.280 --> 00:12:26.240 Yeah, yeah, you can. 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.830 And with the iTunes version, 00:12:28.830 --> 00:12:29.960 there's a Comm-up. 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:30.800 Yeah, there's a Comm-up. 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:32.160 Whatever the hell that is. 00:12:32.160 --> 00:12:33.880 But there's a Comm-up. 00:12:33.880 --> 00:12:36.480 - Well, that's just like Apple 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:37.240 then. 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:38.610 There's nothing more to it than 00:12:38.610 --> 00:12:39.040 that. 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:40.600 It's the same damn idea. 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:41.590 - Are you mailing this song of 00:12:41.590 --> 00:12:42.120 the day yet? 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:42.960 Or is it-- 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:44.520 - Well, I have to take a second 00:12:44.520 --> 00:12:44.520 . 00:12:44.520 --> 00:12:45.800 Why don't you tell them a story 00:12:45.800 --> 00:12:46.840 or something? 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:48.880 - I just did my source code for 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:49.960 three quarters of an hour. 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.040 I'm all soliloquy'd out. 00:12:52.040 --> 00:12:54.970 - Why don't you soliloquy your 00:12:54.970 --> 00:12:55.160 way 00:12:55.160 --> 00:12:56.880 into one of the, like just 00:12:56.880 --> 00:12:59.080 repeat something from there. 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.830 Or I haven't listened to it yet 00:13:00.830 --> 00:13:01.080 . 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.240 So do it again. 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:03.200 - Well, I'll do a little promo 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:04.160 for the source code then 00:13:04.160 --> 00:13:05.760 while you're sifting through 00:13:05.760 --> 00:13:06.840 your hard drive. 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:07.680 - Yeah. 00:13:07.680 --> 00:13:09.070 - I played a, actually I played 00:13:09.070 --> 00:13:10.120 a bit for you. 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.170 'Cause it was, I got up at 2.30 00:13:12.170 --> 00:13:12.880 this morning 00:13:12.880 --> 00:13:15.120 to be on time for the debate 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.360 and I went to bed around 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:17.200 quarter to six 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:18.240 or something like that. 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.870 And so in the meantime, as we 00:13:19.870 --> 00:13:21.000 were joking around 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:22.680 with doing the show, 00:13:22.680 --> 00:13:24.130 I played you a bit of the 00:13:24.130 --> 00:13:26.440 history of MP3 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.320 that Bumper Morgan sent me. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.520 And I had this whole thing. 00:13:30.520 --> 00:13:31.960 This is a German invention. 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.480 Did you know that? 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:34.520 This is a great story. 00:13:34.520 --> 00:13:35.360 - I did. 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:36.560 - The guy who invented MP3, 00:13:36.560 --> 00:13:38.040 and he's in this bit. 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:38.880 It's a German. 00:13:38.880 --> 00:13:41.320 He talks like, I went to the 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.800 patent office 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:45.570 and they refused my patent for 00:13:45.570 --> 00:13:46.160 MP3 00:13:46.160 --> 00:13:47.050 because they said it is 00:13:47.050 --> 00:13:47.560 impossible. 00:13:47.560 --> 00:13:49.240 It cannot be done. 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:50.360 So check this out. 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:51.890 If the guy at the patent office 00:13:51.890 --> 00:13:54.120 had not refused the MP3 patent, 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:55.840 we might not have MP3 today. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:57.560 It's a fantastic piece. 00:13:57.560 --> 00:13:58.400 - You're not a kid. 00:13:58.400 --> 00:13:59.240 I wanna hear that. 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:01.160 - If it is impossible to do 00:14:01.160 --> 00:14:01.400 that, 00:14:01.400 --> 00:14:04.400 (speaking in German) 00:14:04.400 --> 00:14:11.440 - Wow. 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:12.640 - That was good. 00:14:12.640 --> 00:14:13.960 - That was good. 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.800 - Wow. 00:14:17.560 --> 00:14:20.560 (speaking in German) 00:14:20.560 --> 00:14:23.920 - You can't make those jokes. 00:14:23.920 --> 00:14:25.180 - I don't think I have this 00:14:25.180 --> 00:14:25.640 song. 00:14:25.640 --> 00:14:26.840 I don't have this song. 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:27.680 - You're kidding me. 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:29.930 - I have another one which is 00:14:29.930 --> 00:14:30.560 even better. 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:31.800 - Okay, don't say the title. 00:14:31.800 --> 00:14:32.640 Just send it over. 00:14:32.640 --> 00:14:33.480 Just send it over. 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:34.320 Don't say the title. 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:35.160 - Why can't I? 00:14:35.160 --> 00:14:36.000 Okay, alright. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.440 - Because it'll be a surprise. 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.480 Well, because then we'll have 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:40.920 four more minutes 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:42.080 to talk about is that thing is 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:42.680 transferring 00:14:42.680 --> 00:14:44.600 from your house to my house. 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:46.890 - Oh, I have a much better 00:14:46.890 --> 00:14:48.240 connection these days. 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.200 It won't take four minutes. 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.060 I have a, I have, you know, I 00:14:52.060 --> 00:14:52.720 moved by the way. 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:53.720 Did you know that? 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:55.160 - Well, what, you're no longer 00:14:55.160 --> 00:14:57.280 in the place you were in? 00:14:57.280 --> 00:14:58.120 Or you mean you're-- 00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:58.960 - Well, no, but-- 00:14:58.960 --> 00:14:59.800 - You're out of the hotel. 00:14:59.800 --> 00:15:01.240 - I'm not in Boston anymore. 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:02.080 - Dude. 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:02.920 - I'm not in Boston anymore. 00:15:02.920 --> 00:15:04.280 - You're telling me this? 00:15:04.280 --> 00:15:06.720 - Wait, well, Boston, I had 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:07.880 this shitty neck connection 00:15:07.880 --> 00:15:08.520 here. 00:15:08.520 --> 00:15:09.840 This one rocks. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:10.680 - Yeah, it's pretty good. 00:15:10.680 --> 00:15:12.320 - I mean, this won't take-- 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:13.160 - It's pretty good. 00:15:13.160 --> 00:15:14.120 - I mean, relative to what I 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:14.640 had in Boston, 00:15:14.640 --> 00:15:15.800 which is a piece of shit, it's 00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:16.840 sending it right now. 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.090 - So if Mount St. Helens erupts 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:18.920 , Dave, 00:15:18.920 --> 00:15:21.320 will you witness any of that? 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.530 Would it come with earth trem 00:15:23.530 --> 00:15:24.200 ors or-- 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.080 - Well, yeah, probably. 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.350 And a lot of ash, that was the 00:15:30.350 --> 00:15:31.840 thing about Mount St. Helens 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:32.680 when it blew last time. 00:15:32.680 --> 00:15:33.520 - The ash, yeah. 00:15:33.520 --> 00:15:34.080 - I wasn't here for that, of 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:34.360 course. 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:37.120 I was down in California. 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:37.950 Maybe I wasn't even in 00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:38.600 California. 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:39.640 I don't, here was it. 00:15:39.640 --> 00:15:40.670 When you're in Mount St. Helens 00:15:40.670 --> 00:15:40.840 . 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:41.860 - It was at the beginning of 00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:42.600 the '80s. 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:44.440 I think it was 1980. 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:45.600 It was like 25 years ago. 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.360 But I can remember it, but I 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:49.520 can't really remember it. 00:15:49.520 --> 00:15:50.720 Was it really that bad? 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:51.560 I don't recall. 00:15:51.560 --> 00:15:53.680 You don't know either. 00:15:53.680 --> 00:15:54.980 - It was pretty bad if you were 00:15:54.980 --> 00:15:55.400 here. 00:15:55.400 --> 00:15:56.700 If you were in Seattle, it was 00:15:56.700 --> 00:15:57.400 pretty bad. 00:15:57.400 --> 00:15:58.900 If you were in Amsterdam, it 00:15:58.900 --> 00:15:59.720 wouldn't have bothered you 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:00.560 very much. 00:16:00.560 --> 00:16:01.400 - No, that's correct. 00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:03.240 - Or you were in the US. 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:04.920 - No, I was in Amsterdam. 00:16:04.920 --> 00:16:06.450 No, I was living in Holland in 00:16:06.450 --> 00:16:07.720 the beginning of the '80s. 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:09.600 I was making my career 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:10.920 elsewhere. 00:16:10.920 --> 00:16:12.260 I was paying too much attention 00:16:12.260 --> 00:16:12.720 to myself. 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.090 I didn't give a shit about some 00:16:14.090 --> 00:16:15.120 goddamn volcano. 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:17.600 Okay, comparing this with-- 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:18.440 - Server. 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.220 - I could hear it left your 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:20.880 machine 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:23.920 because your sound went crappy 00:16:23.920 --> 00:16:25.040 for a few minutes. 00:16:25.040 --> 00:16:26.800 - No, it's still leaving my 00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:27.640 machine. 00:16:27.640 --> 00:16:28.480 - Oh, it's still leaving it? 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:29.320 Okay. 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:31.200 - I'll tell you what, why don't 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:32.880 you pause the recording 00:16:32.880 --> 00:16:34.140 for just a minute so I can go 00:16:34.140 --> 00:16:35.640 get some coffee, all right? 00:16:35.640 --> 00:16:39.160 - Boy, that's really breaking 00:16:39.160 --> 00:16:41.320 the imaginary third wall. 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:43.520 - All right, so leave it on. 00:16:43.520 --> 00:16:44.550 - Leave it on and leave your 00:16:44.550 --> 00:16:44.920 mic open 00:16:44.920 --> 00:16:46.020 so we can hear you get your 00:16:46.020 --> 00:16:47.160 coffee, meanwhile. 00:16:47.160 --> 00:16:48.000 - Yeah. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:48.820 - Go ahead. 00:16:48.820 --> 00:16:50.040 - Exactly, you got it. 00:16:50.040 --> 00:16:51.490 - People can always skip ahead, 00:16:51.490 --> 00:16:51.560 you know? 00:16:51.560 --> 00:16:52.930 What the hell difference does 00:16:52.930 --> 00:16:53.280 it make 00:16:53.280 --> 00:16:54.720 if you're bored of this? 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:56.640 Okay, so what we did yesterday 00:16:56.640 --> 00:16:57.880 on the X-10 phone, 00:16:57.880 --> 00:16:59.920 you'll recall we've tried this 00:16:59.920 --> 00:17:00.920 a couple times 00:17:00.920 --> 00:17:02.000 and then whenever-- - In the 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:02.280 coffee. 00:17:02.280 --> 00:17:04.720 - And then whenever Dave would 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:05.640 laugh loudly 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:07.000 or any type of emotion, 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:07.400 basically, 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:08.930 it would completely over mod 00:17:08.930 --> 00:17:10.120 ulate and crap out 00:17:10.120 --> 00:17:12.120 and it would screw up the 00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:13.280 entire sound, 00:17:13.280 --> 00:17:14.480 just sound like shit. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:16.090 So we found that in the X-10 00:17:16.090 --> 00:17:16.460 phone, 00:17:16.460 --> 00:17:18.440 which has the worst interface, 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.760 bar none that I'm using at the 00:17:20.760 --> 00:17:21.400 moment, 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:22.560 because they try to make it 00:17:22.560 --> 00:17:23.480 look like a phone, 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:24.600 just give me an application. 00:17:24.600 --> 00:17:25.860 But anyway, we're figuring it 00:17:25.860 --> 00:17:26.200 out. 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.840 There's a way to set an AGC, 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:30.160 and of course I know that means 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.640 automatic gain control, 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.160 which means that it tries to 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:33.600 keep-- 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:34.440 - You're trying to gain? 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:35.510 - Yeah, I'm explaining your 00:17:35.510 --> 00:17:36.600 automatic gain control. 00:17:36.600 --> 00:17:38.210 It tries to keep the level at 00:17:38.210 --> 00:17:38.960 one setting, 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:40.600 so now we're limiting all that 00:17:40.600 --> 00:17:42.440 over modulation Dave had, 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:43.760 but also it kind of sucks up 00:17:43.760 --> 00:17:44.440 the room noise 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:45.280 when he's not talking, 00:17:45.280 --> 00:17:46.560 so we heard you getting your 00:17:46.560 --> 00:17:48.280 coffee, big Dave. 00:17:48.280 --> 00:17:49.120 That worked very well. 00:17:49.120 --> 00:17:49.960 - Did we? 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.040 Then narrating it too? 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:52.280 Did you hear the narrating? 00:17:52.280 --> 00:17:53.280 - Yeah, I heard the narration. 00:17:53.280 --> 00:17:56.480 - I especially like the part 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:57.360 where I got the cream, 00:17:57.360 --> 00:17:58.200 that was good. 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:00.480 - Oh, I'm sorry, I was telling 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.360 our audience 00:18:01.360 --> 00:18:02.400 much more important things 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.960 while you were creaning. 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:05.000 (laughing) 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:05.840 Okay. 00:18:05.840 --> 00:18:07.960 - I was doing a soliloquy, 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:08.800 what do you want? 00:18:08.800 --> 00:18:11.210 - Hey, I haven't gotten this in 00:18:11.210 --> 00:18:11.640 yet. 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.140 Dude, it's gone, it's left here 00:18:13.140 --> 00:18:13.520 machine? 00:18:13.520 --> 00:18:15.600 - Yeah, yeah, it's now 00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:16.720 completely gone, yeah. 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.000 - Right. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.350 - It's going out through the 00:18:19.350 --> 00:18:19.920 router. 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:20.760 (laughing) 00:18:20.760 --> 00:18:21.600 I still don't have it in. 00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:22.890 - It's somewhere around New 00:18:22.890 --> 00:18:24.040 foundland right now. 00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:26.480 - In millions of bits, 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:27.680 traveling the globe. 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:31.240 So we're leaving in about, 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:32.360 what is it, in about an hour 00:18:32.360 --> 00:18:32.600 and a half, 00:18:32.600 --> 00:18:33.960 we're leaving for England. 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.440 - Really? 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:37.650 - Yeah, we're going to do it in 00:18:37.650 --> 00:18:37.920 England. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:39.330 - Well, Patricia and I are 00:18:39.330 --> 00:18:39.840 going to 00:18:39.840 --> 00:18:42.680 measure stuff in the new house. 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:43.870 We're gonna go there for a 00:18:43.870 --> 00:18:44.480 weekend. 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.680 - Wow. 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:47.520 - Yeah, as I told everyone-- 00:18:47.520 --> 00:18:48.640 - Have you already got the new 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:49.040 house? 00:18:49.040 --> 00:18:49.830 - Yeah, yeah, we already have 00:18:49.830 --> 00:18:50.040 it. 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:51.700 We, well, we don't actually 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:52.160 move in 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:53.980 until third week of November, I 00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:54.520 think, 00:18:54.520 --> 00:18:55.570 it's when we start, when we get 00:18:55.570 --> 00:18:56.040 the keys. 00:18:56.040 --> 00:18:57.880 But tomorrow we're gonna go in, 00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:59.470 we need to see where we're 00:18:59.470 --> 00:19:00.960 gonna put our stuff. 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.120 And so I told the daily source 00:19:03.120 --> 00:19:04.320 code listeners 00:19:04.320 --> 00:19:05.480 there would be no podcast, 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:06.790 except for the podcast we're 00:19:06.790 --> 00:19:08.240 planning in the hotel room. 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.760 - Uh-oh. 00:19:10.760 --> 00:19:11.600 (laughing) 00:19:11.600 --> 00:19:12.610 Is that sort of like what John 00:19:12.610 --> 00:19:13.200 and Yoko did? 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:14.400 - I'm sorry, it's a podcast, I 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:14.840 'm sorry. 00:19:14.840 --> 00:19:16.520 I messed up there. 00:19:16.520 --> 00:19:19.720 - Oh, well, can I get the 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:21.080 warning next time 00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:22.400 you're gonna do that? 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:24.000 I can put the coffee cup down. 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.260 (laughing) 00:19:26.260 --> 00:19:28.620 - I still haven't gotten this 00:19:28.620 --> 00:19:30.160 MP3 from you. 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.000 How big is it? 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:31.920 Is it really big? 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:32.800 Oh, it shouldn't make any 00:19:32.800 --> 00:19:33.360 difference. 00:19:33.360 --> 00:19:35.000 - No, it's like two, two and a 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:35.440 half megabits. 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.080 It's tiny, two and a half. 00:19:38.080 --> 00:19:38.920 - It still has an address. 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:39.540 - So maybe I sent it to the 00:19:39.540 --> 00:19:40.080 wrong address. 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:41.470 - It doesn't matter, I have 00:19:41.470 --> 00:19:45.080 everything linked together. 00:19:45.080 --> 00:19:46.730 - Adam Curry, that's your name, 00:19:46.730 --> 00:19:47.240 right? 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:48.080 Adam Curry? 00:19:48.080 --> 00:19:49.280 - Let me check, yeah. 00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:50.480 - Is that you? 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.400 - Yeah, what email address? 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.520 - Yeah, what email address did 00:19:54.520 --> 00:19:55.840 you associate with me? 00:19:55.840 --> 00:19:58.960 - Adam@curry.com? 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:00.170 - Yeah, when you fling me, it 00:20:00.170 --> 00:20:01.560 always seems to work. 00:20:01.560 --> 00:20:04.200 - Fuck you. 00:20:05.040 --> 00:20:05.960 (laughing) 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:07.040 - That's interesting. 00:20:07.040 --> 00:20:08.320 - Email is funny that way, isn 00:20:08.320 --> 00:20:08.720 't it? 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:09.560 - Yeah. 00:20:09.560 --> 00:20:10.400 (laughing) 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:11.820 Hey, I'm CNN, they're playing 00:20:11.820 --> 00:20:12.760 that same number, 00:20:12.760 --> 00:20:16.200 53 to 37, which we kinda like. 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:17.860 That would be a good final 00:20:17.860 --> 00:20:19.880 number for the popular vote, 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:21.280 don't you think? 00:20:21.280 --> 00:20:23.320 - 53, 47, what, for Curry? 00:20:23.320 --> 00:20:26.360 - Yeah, yeah. 00:20:26.360 --> 00:20:28.780 He then got a figure of 53% 00:20:28.780 --> 00:20:30.400 that said he won. 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:31.360 How can they do that? 00:20:31.360 --> 00:20:33.250 And I think more likely to vote 00:20:33.250 --> 00:20:34.200 for him then, 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:35.760 I mean, doesn't that mean, hey, 00:20:35.760 --> 00:20:37.010 I kinda thought the guy was 00:20:37.010 --> 00:20:37.800 pretty good? 00:20:37.800 --> 00:20:41.840 - Well, you wanna spin this? 00:20:41.840 --> 00:20:42.840 I mean, depends. 00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:44.240 Which side you wanna choose? 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.550 - Well, I wanna believe that 00:20:46.550 --> 00:20:48.240 Curry's gonna win, 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:50.130 I really do, 'cause I wanna 00:20:50.130 --> 00:20:51.200 stay in this country. 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:55.000 I wanna actually, I'd like, 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:55.840 yeah, I mean, 00:20:55.840 --> 00:20:57.400 I can't imagine. 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:58.720 He'll go to war with Korea, 00:20:58.720 --> 00:20:59.770 that's what's gonna happen with 00:20:59.770 --> 00:21:00.000 Bush. 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:01.840 - We do not wanna do that. 00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:03.570 We do not wanna go to war with 00:21:03.570 --> 00:21:04.240 Korea. 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:05.640 That is a bad idea. 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:07.840 It really is. 00:21:07.840 --> 00:21:09.080 It really, really is. 00:21:09.080 --> 00:21:11.490 I don't know what's going on, 00:21:11.490 --> 00:21:12.400 man, but you're-- 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:13.400 - I like Korean. 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.120 - Do you like Korean food? 00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:18.300 - Maybe I should just upload it 00:21:18.300 --> 00:21:18.640 somewhere 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:19.480 so you could download it. 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:20.850 - That's probably a better idea 00:21:20.850 --> 00:21:21.400 , yeah. 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:22.520 That's weird, though, because-- 00:21:22.520 --> 00:21:24.000 - Should've done that in the 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:24.880 first place. 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.420 - That's weird, 'cause I put a 00:21:27.420 --> 00:21:27.880 swan 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.120 that shouldn't take that long. 00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:32.960 - No. 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:33.800 - No, there's no reason. 00:21:33.800 --> 00:21:34.370 - All right, I'm gonna upload 00:21:34.370 --> 00:21:34.960 it while we're doing it. 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:35.960 - Okay, okay. 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:38.490 - Hold on, let's see, where the 00:21:38.490 --> 00:21:40.560 hell would this be? 00:21:40.560 --> 00:21:42.240 - Something slash gems. 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:45.500 - Yeah, but that's on the other 00:21:45.500 --> 00:21:45.920 end, 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:47.990 I have to figure out where it 00:21:47.990 --> 00:21:49.000 came from. 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.960 I just did a drag and drop on 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:52.360 the desktop here, 00:21:52.360 --> 00:21:53.370 but I can't do that when I'm 00:21:53.370 --> 00:21:55.000 uploading to the web. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.080 If the web sucks, right? 00:21:57.080 --> 00:21:57.920 - Of course. - All right, hold 00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:57.920 on. 00:21:57.920 --> 00:21:58.930 - Of course it sucks. - Don't 00:21:58.930 --> 00:21:59.240 go away. 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:00.840 Yeah, please. 00:22:00.840 --> 00:22:01.920 Yeah. 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:03.160 So-- 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:04.680 - I wanna talk about something. 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.520 Can I talk about something? 00:22:07.520 --> 00:22:09.160 Can I set the agenda? 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.350 - I don't know, all right, go 00:22:12.350 --> 00:22:13.400 ahead. 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:14.760 - Well, since it's my toy that 00:22:14.760 --> 00:22:15.840 we're recording on. 00:22:15.840 --> 00:22:18.680 (laughing) 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:20.480 - Thought about it, all right, 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:21.680 go ahead. 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.190 - No, I wanted to talk about 00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:25.800 what I wanna know. 00:22:25.800 --> 00:22:27.010 - Let me ask you a few 00:22:27.010 --> 00:22:28.000 questions. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:33.250 How do we, how do I, let's say 00:22:33.250 --> 00:22:33.800 how do I, 00:22:33.800 --> 00:22:35.240 'cause I think that the Pied P 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:36.520 iper approach works. 00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:40.320 How do I get started with 00:22:40.320 --> 00:22:41.520 building something 00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:43.960 in the open source frontier for 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:46.520 publishing podcasts? 00:22:46.520 --> 00:22:50.320 I mean, and I hope the answer 00:22:50.320 --> 00:22:51.240 is not going to be 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.270 download the source and start 00:22:53.270 --> 00:22:54.440 looking at it. 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:56.780 - Well, sure, that's what the 00:22:56.780 --> 00:22:58.280 edge is gonna be. 00:22:58.280 --> 00:23:00.290 I mean, that's everything, 00:23:00.290 --> 00:23:01.800 everything relating 00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:04.330 to the open source release 00:23:04.330 --> 00:23:05.280 frontier 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:07.090 involves downloading the source 00:23:07.090 --> 00:23:07.760 of frontier 00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:09.040 and tinkering with it. 00:23:09.040 --> 00:23:10.700 Or there's another possibility, 00:23:10.700 --> 00:23:11.720 actually, sorry, 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:13.520 not everything, only those 00:23:13.520 --> 00:23:14.760 sorts of things. 00:23:14.760 --> 00:23:16.830 Which could do is you could 00:23:16.830 --> 00:23:17.800 like very, 00:23:17.800 --> 00:23:19.870 you could like write up a blog 00:23:19.870 --> 00:23:21.920 post about what you want. 00:23:21.920 --> 00:25:25.990 - Yeah. - Okay, and then post 00:25:25.990 --> 00:23:23.520 it 00:23:23.520 --> 00:23:24.990 somewhere and then post a 00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:26.200 pointer to that list. 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:27.870 And then at least some of the 00:23:27.870 --> 00:23:29.080 people who are trying 00:23:29.080 --> 00:23:31.060 to learn how to do that would 00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:32.040 know that this is something 00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:33.520 that somebody wants, you know. 00:23:33.520 --> 00:23:34.680 - Right. 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:35.990 - Or something that you want, 00:23:35.990 --> 00:23:36.840 particularly. 00:23:36.840 --> 00:23:37.940 - Well, it's what I want, so 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:38.480 that's why I wanna 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:39.320 start building it. 00:23:39.320 --> 00:23:41.080 I think that makes the most 00:23:41.080 --> 00:23:41.760 sense. 00:23:41.760 --> 00:23:43.480 - Well, what is it, tell me 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:44.440 what it is you want. 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:45.440 Let's start right now. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.520 - Okay, so what I've learned 00:23:48.520 --> 00:23:49.500 from scripting, 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:52.850 and that's just the act of 00:23:52.850 --> 00:23:53.680 scripting, 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:55.520 is that I've gotten to a point 00:23:55.520 --> 00:23:56.200 in my life 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:57.630 where I come across these 00:23:57.630 --> 00:23:58.640 little things, 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:01.350 these repetitive tasks, that I 00:24:01.350 --> 00:24:02.080 find myself doing 00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:03.520 over and over and over again. 00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:05.470 It's as simple as sending my 00:24:05.470 --> 00:24:06.520 calendar file 00:24:06.520 --> 00:24:08.610 to my assistant once a week or 00:24:08.610 --> 00:24:09.640 whatever. 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:12.600 And so I've scripted my machine 00:24:12.600 --> 00:24:14.400 to do all kinds of things 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.650 automatically, and that's kind 00:24:16.650 --> 00:24:18.480 of how iPod came about, 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:19.700 although there was more 00:24:19.700 --> 00:24:21.040 philosophy behind it. 00:24:21.040 --> 00:24:22.800 And so now, when we're done 00:24:22.800 --> 00:24:23.760 with this show, 00:24:23.760 --> 00:24:26.200 which I have to record in AIFF 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.480 for security reasons, 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:29.100 meaning if the computer crashes 00:24:29.100 --> 00:24:29.240 , 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.000 I'm more likely to have a file 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:31.480 sitting there 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:32.680 instead of MP3. 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.080 Also, just for workload, 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:37.280 compressing while recording 00:24:37.280 --> 00:24:38.640 and running a million apps 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.120 makes it skip sometimes. 00:24:40.120 --> 00:24:42.920 So then I have to compress it 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:44.200 to MP3. 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:45.840 I have to add the MP3 tags. 00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:47.150 I have to upload it to a server 00:24:47.150 --> 00:24:47.360 . 00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:48.980 I sometimes even have to make a 00:24:48.980 --> 00:24:50.440 choice between servers, 00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:52.420 whereas really what I want it 00:24:52.420 --> 00:24:52.800 to do 00:24:52.800 --> 00:24:53.910 is I want to make a bit torrent 00:24:53.910 --> 00:24:54.080 , 00:24:54.080 --> 00:24:55.720 so that would mean generating a 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:56.520 bit torrent, 00:24:56.520 --> 00:24:58.220 uploading the file somewhere, 00:24:58.220 --> 00:24:58.880 and the torrent, 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:00.120 adding that to the tracker, 00:25:00.120 --> 00:25:03.400 then publishing my RSS 2.0 feed 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:03.480 . 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.980 That's just screening for 00:25:06.980 --> 00:25:08.600 automation, 00:25:08.600 --> 00:25:11.130 and I think it should be either 00:25:11.130 --> 00:25:11.360 , 00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:12.680 no, here's how I want it. 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:13.520 - I'm not something that you-- 00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:14.110 - I'll tell you, here's how I 00:25:14.110 --> 00:25:14.400 want it. 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:15.380 I want-- - That's not something 00:25:15.380 --> 00:25:15.440 -- 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:16.280 - Huh? 00:25:17.320 --> 00:25:18.160 - What? 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.480 - Well, that isn't something 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:21.480 you need. 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:22.400 Are you talking to me? 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:23.400 - I'm listening, yeah, I'm 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:24.200 listening to you. 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:27.680 Hello, I hear you. 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.360 - Hello. 00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:30.440 - Yep, go ahead. 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:31.760 - Oh, oh, okay. 00:25:31.760 --> 00:25:33.430 That isn't something that you 00:25:33.430 --> 00:25:34.000 need, 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:35.140 that isn't something that you 00:25:35.140 --> 00:25:35.320 need 00:25:35.320 --> 00:25:36.600 to access the kernel for. 00:25:36.600 --> 00:25:38.240 That's scripting, most of what 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:38.960 you're talking about 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:39.880 is just scripting. 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:41.000 - Oh, right, totally, totally, 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:41.400 totally, totally. 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:42.600 - Nothing changed there. 00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:44.240 - But my understanding was, 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:45.880 if we put it into the kernel, 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:47.440 it would run much faster. 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:52.970 - No, there are two things, it 00:25:52.970 --> 00:25:53.440 wouldn't, 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.760 that, I mean, there's one there 00:25:55.760 --> 00:25:57.520 that we don't have, okay, 00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:59.360 that would, that kind of would 00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:00.120 be necessary 00:26:00.120 --> 00:26:01.960 to make it easy, which is 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.680 integration of a bit torrent 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.480 server with the frontier server 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:06.480 . 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.150 That, that would be, and that's 00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:08.520 something 00:26:08.520 --> 00:26:09.500 we've already sort of been 00:26:09.500 --> 00:26:09.840 through 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:11.730 on both of our respective 00:26:11.730 --> 00:26:13.200 little podcasts, 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.800 little soliloquy things that we 00:26:15.800 --> 00:26:16.240 do, 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:18.080 just the little ones. 00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:19.560 The thing very big there. 00:26:19.560 --> 00:26:21.000 (laughing) 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.600 But it would be cool to 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:26.000 basically have, 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.320 (laughing) 00:26:27.320 --> 00:26:29.490 I know, it would be cool to 00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:31.600 have a bit torrent setup 00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:33.160 that was engineered for ease of 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:33.360 use 00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:36.870 and key integration with the 00:26:36.870 --> 00:26:38.360 content management system. 00:26:38.360 --> 00:26:40.200 - Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.290 So you can have a podcast, a 00:26:42.290 --> 00:26:44.040 podcasting system. 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:45.040 - I just got a, 00:26:45.040 --> 00:26:49.040 - You're uploading your file, 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:49.280 right? 00:26:49.280 --> 00:26:50.260 That's why the audio is a 00:26:50.260 --> 00:26:51.080 little delayed. 00:26:51.080 --> 00:26:53.050 - Which is, of course, I mean, 00:26:53.050 --> 00:26:56.080 yeah, exactly. 00:26:56.080 --> 00:26:58.200 Yeah, we're uploading it now 00:26:58.200 --> 00:26:59.360 for the second time. 00:26:59.360 --> 00:27:00.920 This was a really good idea. 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:01.910 - Yeah, it's all right, I'm 00:27:01.910 --> 00:27:02.760 following along with you. 00:27:02.760 --> 00:27:03.730 - I knew that this would be the 00:27:03.730 --> 00:27:04.360 inspiration. 00:27:04.360 --> 00:27:06.520 Good idea, like, yeah, well, 00:27:06.520 --> 00:27:07.680 anyway, where was I? 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:09.660 - On the bit torrents 00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:10.520 integration. 00:27:10.520 --> 00:27:14.000 - Right, so let me just be 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.280 clear on one thing, 00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:17.680 is that having it be open 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.800 source, access to the source 00:27:19.800 --> 00:27:22.430 does, in some cases, make for 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:24.320 incredible performance gains. 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:26.440 Okay, but what it also does, 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.840 sometimes it makes things 00:27:28.840 --> 00:27:30.140 possible that wouldn't be 00:27:30.140 --> 00:27:31.360 possible otherwise. 00:27:31.360 --> 00:27:32.900 Like, if you wanna take 00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:34.480 something like bit torrent 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.090 and just bake it in, well, that 00:27:37.090 --> 00:27:38.720 would be something 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:39.720 I don't think we could have 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.480 done before, but now we can. 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:42.850 - So you can have bit torrent 00:27:42.850 --> 00:27:44.080 verbs, basically. 00:27:44.080 --> 00:27:47.320 - Yeah, that would be nice. 00:27:47.320 --> 00:27:48.160 - Yeah, very cool. 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:49.000 - And then some automated, 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:50.080 automatic, 00:27:50.080 --> 00:27:51.230 automatic bit torrent 00:27:51.230 --> 00:27:52.040 functionality, 00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:54.260 so that basically anything that 00:27:54.260 --> 00:27:55.680 's in a certain place 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.130 would automatically get all the 00:27:57.130 --> 00:27:57.800 treatment. 00:27:57.800 --> 00:27:59.640 So all the user would have to 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:00.560 do is just make sure 00:28:00.560 --> 00:28:02.320 that it showed up in that place 00:28:02.320 --> 00:28:02.360 . 00:28:02.360 --> 00:28:03.610 And of course, there are a 00:28:03.610 --> 00:28:05.000 billion ways to do that, right? 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.320 Upstreaming does that, 00:28:07.320 --> 00:28:09.720 uploading a gem does that. 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.410 Basically, there are lots of 00:28:11.410 --> 00:28:12.520 ways of getting things 00:28:12.520 --> 00:28:14.100 to certain places that are 00:28:14.100 --> 00:28:14.640 already, 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.000 plenty of users know how to do 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:16.440 them. 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:22.240 - Okay, so in my ideal-- 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.080 - It's on the bit up. 00:28:23.080 --> 00:28:24.240 - Okay, semi-the-year-old. 00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.990 So in my ideal setup, I just 00:28:26.990 --> 00:28:29.240 drop a file into a folder 00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:30.720 and then something, an 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.960 interface pops up and says, 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.220 "Hey, you gotta enter some 00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:35.320 information here." 00:28:35.320 --> 00:28:36.660 I enter that information and 00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:37.760 then I just forget about it 00:28:37.760 --> 00:28:38.690 and all the rest I want to 00:28:38.690 --> 00:28:39.560 happen by itself. 00:28:39.560 --> 00:28:40.680 That's literally what I want. 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.630 - Oh, there you go, that's 00:28:41.630 --> 00:28:42.200 another thing. 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:43.680 Okay, another thing that we 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.320 want is we want the ID3 verbs 00:28:46.320 --> 00:28:48.040 to be integrated as well. 00:28:48.040 --> 00:28:51.000 We want to have a basic native 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.280 capability 00:28:52.280 --> 00:28:55.570 to set the ID3 information from 00:28:55.570 --> 00:28:56.280 a script. 00:28:56.280 --> 00:28:58.750 And right now, all we have is 00:28:58.750 --> 00:28:59.400 the other way. 00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:01.480 We can read the ID3 information 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:01.480 . 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.680 So I guess it's a little harder 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:05.560 to do the encoding. 00:29:05.560 --> 00:29:08.960 - Say that again the last bit? 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.770 - It's probably because it's a 00:29:11.770 --> 00:29:13.200 little harder 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.420 to do the encoding or maybe we 00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:16.080 didn't need it 00:29:16.080 --> 00:29:18.400 when we did it, but those verbs 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:19.920 are missing. 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:23.080 Yeah, I mean-- 00:29:23.080 --> 00:29:24.880 - Well, in a week or so, I'm 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.080 gonna jump into the, 00:29:26.080 --> 00:29:28.680 I've been lurking on the kernel 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.120 developer list. 00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:34.200 And I'm gonna jump in because-- 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.560 - Me too, largely. 00:29:35.560 --> 00:29:37.400 - Because I think that what I 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.040 like most about 00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:40.720 the open source frontier, the 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:41.280 concept, 00:29:41.280 --> 00:29:42.810 is that I could create 00:29:42.810 --> 00:29:43.620 something 00:29:43.620 --> 00:29:45.270 that would basically be one 00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:46.320 application. 00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:47.570 You download it, you double 00:29:47.570 --> 00:29:48.600 click it, it runs. 00:29:48.600 --> 00:29:49.920 And that's what I really like. 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.800 I don't like the idea of people 00:29:51.800 --> 00:29:53.520 maybe not having Python on the 00:29:53.520 --> 00:29:54.040 machine, 00:29:54.040 --> 00:29:55.240 which is not hard to get, 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.750 but you know, Perl, you have to 00:29:56.750 --> 00:29:58.240 import all these modules 00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.880 and it's just, you can't ask 00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:01.040 any user to do that. 00:30:01.040 --> 00:30:02.440 All they want is the promise of 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:03.080 , oh. 00:30:03.080 --> 00:30:04.840 - Well, those are, right. 00:30:04.840 --> 00:30:07.400 Those are all places where they 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:08.480 could make a mistake 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:09.400 and they know it. 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:10.240 - Yeah. 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:11.780 - That's the, it's not just 00:30:11.780 --> 00:30:12.880 that they could make a mistake, 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:14.300 but they've been down this road 00:30:14.300 --> 00:30:14.680 before. 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:15.800 - Yeah, fuck it, they said. 00:30:15.800 --> 00:30:18.200 I don't wanna do that, right. 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:19.760 - Right, I know that won't work 00:30:19.760 --> 00:30:19.760 , 00:30:19.760 --> 00:30:21.540 or there's a 10% chance that 00:30:21.540 --> 00:30:22.800 that will work. 00:30:22.800 --> 00:30:24.320 - Oh, already, since I said 00:30:24.320 --> 00:30:24.920 that all this, 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:26.060 all this development and all 00:30:26.060 --> 00:30:26.640 this hacking 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.720 had messed up my machine, 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:29.970 and I reinstalled my system 00:30:29.970 --> 00:30:30.560 software, 00:30:30.560 --> 00:30:32.110 there's three other messages 00:30:32.110 --> 00:30:33.000 now of people saying, 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.930 well, my machine's been crappy 00:30:34.930 --> 00:30:35.400 lately, 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:36.550 so I think it's all this iPod 00:30:36.550 --> 00:30:36.960 or stuff. 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:38.560 And it may very well be some of 00:30:38.560 --> 00:30:39.560 this iPod or stuff, 00:30:39.560 --> 00:30:41.170 but it's just the thought, you 00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:41.200 know, 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.760 hey, wait a minute, so that's, 00:30:42.760 --> 00:30:42.800 you know, 00:30:42.800 --> 00:30:44.330 whatever is quirky is probably 00:30:44.330 --> 00:30:44.640 that. 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.480 - Yep. 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:46.440 - That's probably death. 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:47.480 - Yeah. 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:49.320 - So you wanna intro this song? 00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:54.320 - But, oh, yeah. 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.000 It's a great song to listen to 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.520 when you just got dumped 00:31:00.520 --> 00:31:01.630 and you wanna know how she 00:31:01.630 --> 00:31:02.360 really feels. 00:31:02.360 --> 00:31:03.600 (laughing) 00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:05.560 Or the other way around. 00:31:05.560 --> 00:31:06.400 - Okay. 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.160 - Or when you did the dumping 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.390 and somehow you can't get it 00:31:11.390 --> 00:31:12.040 across, 00:31:12.040 --> 00:31:13.600 now you feel about her. 00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:14.560 (laughing) 00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:17.320 - All right, this is Dan Hicks. 00:31:17.320 --> 00:31:18.160 - Who's that, usually? 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.000 - What is it? 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.260 - Dan Hicks, he's from the hot 00:31:20.260 --> 00:31:20.360 looks. 00:31:20.360 --> 00:31:22.080 - Dan Hicks, yeah. 00:31:22.080 --> 00:31:23.890 - Dan Hicks, actually it's Dan 00:31:23.890 --> 00:31:25.720 Hicks and the hot looks. 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:26.640 - Yeah. 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:27.920 And the title of the song? 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:29.480 - Yeah. 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:30.920 How can I miss you when you won 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:31.600 't go away? 00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:35.380 (wind blowing) 00:31:35.380 --> 00:31:37.960 (wind blowing) 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.540 (wind blowing) 00:31:40.540 --> 00:31:43.120 (wind blowing) 00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:45.700 (wind blowing) 00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:48.280 (wind blowing) 00:31:49.120 --> 00:31:51.700 (wind blowing) 00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:54.280 (wind blowing) 00:31:54.280 --> 00:31:56.860 (wind blowing) 00:31:56.860 --> 00:31:59.440 (wind blowing) 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.020 (wind blowing) 00:32:02.020 --> 00:32:04.600 (wind blowing) 00:32:04.600 --> 00:32:07.180 (wind blowing) 00:32:07.180 --> 00:32:09.760 (wind blowing) 00:32:09.760 --> 00:32:12.340 (wind blowing) 00:32:12.340 --> 00:32:17.340 . (wind blowing) 00:32:17.340 --> 00:32:19.920 (wind blowing) 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.500 (wind blowing) 00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:25.080 (wind blowing) 00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:27.660 (wind blowing) 00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:30.240 (wind blowing) 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.820 (wind blowing) 00:32:32.820 --> 00:32:35.400 (wind blowing) 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.980 (wind blowing) 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.560 (wind blowing) 00:32:40.560 --> 00:32:45.140 (wind blowing) 00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:59.720 (wind blowing) 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.300 (wind blowing) 00:33:02.300 --> 00:33:27.960 (wind blowing) 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:30.540 (wind blowing) 00:33:30.540 --> 00:33:34.380 (wind blowing) 00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:36.720 (wind blowing) 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:52.020 (door opening) 00:33:52.020 --> 00:33:54.600 (wind blowing) 00:33:54.600 --> 00:34:03.900 - Whoa, that's what I call a 00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:04.900 shit-kicking music. 00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:07.460 (laughing) 00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:08.580 - Oh, all their songs are like 00:34:08.580 --> 00:34:08.940 that. 00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:10.140 They have this sort of very che 00:34:10.140 --> 00:34:11.380 ery little surface thing 00:34:11.380 --> 00:34:13.100 going on, and in the meantime, 00:34:13.100 --> 00:34:14.420 they're being about as cruel as 00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:15.300 they could possibly be. 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:16.430 - Ah, that was great, that was 00:34:16.430 --> 00:34:16.740 great. 00:34:16.740 --> 00:34:18.100 I like songs like that. 00:34:18.100 --> 00:34:19.750 - They have another song, they 00:34:19.750 --> 00:34:20.540 have another song, 00:34:20.540 --> 00:34:21.700 but it's not like that. 00:34:21.700 --> 00:34:26.300 I can smell the coffee brewing. 00:34:26.300 --> 00:34:27.740 I'll take mine black, you know, 00:34:27.740 --> 00:34:28.300 it's good, 00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:29.820 it's good to be back. 00:34:29.820 --> 00:34:31.180 That's a beautiful song. 00:34:31.180 --> 00:34:32.410 I got a little Western thing 00:34:32.410 --> 00:34:33.140 going on too. 00:34:33.140 --> 00:34:33.980 - I don't know. 00:34:33.980 --> 00:34:35.460 - A little Western thing, 00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:36.260 excuse me. 00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:38.220 (laughing) 00:34:38.220 --> 00:34:39.060 - Major. 00:34:39.060 --> 00:34:40.940 - Shit-kicking music, boy. 00:34:40.940 --> 00:34:42.060 - Major. 00:34:42.060 --> 00:34:42.900 - You know what happens when, 00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:44.980 you know what backmasking is, 00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:46.660 you heard of that? 00:34:46.660 --> 00:34:47.960 Backmasking, where you turn a 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:48.420 record, 00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:50.110 you turn a vinyl record 00:34:50.110 --> 00:34:50.940 backwards 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:53.340 and you hear hidden messages in 00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:53.780 the 80s, 00:34:53.780 --> 00:34:54.620 that was a big thing. 00:34:54.620 --> 00:34:55.450 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I buried 00:34:55.450 --> 00:34:55.740 Paul. 00:34:55.740 --> 00:34:56.580 I buried Paul. 00:34:56.580 --> 00:34:57.420 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:59.200 What happens when you play a 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:00.660 country song backwards? 00:35:00.660 --> 00:35:04.140 - Punk. 00:35:04.140 --> 00:35:05.140 - No, no, no, no, no. 00:35:05.140 --> 00:35:06.660 You get your dog back, you get 00:35:06.660 --> 00:35:07.500 your house back, 00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:08.820 you get your wife back. 00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:11.080 (laughing) 00:35:11.080 --> 00:35:15.020 (clapping) 00:35:15.020 --> 00:35:17.020 - Everybody, everybody. 00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:19.500 (laughing) 00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:20.570 - Yeah, I thought you'd like 00:35:20.570 --> 00:35:20.940 that. 00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.780 - Ouch. 00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:22.620 - I thought you'd like that. 00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:23.740 - Oh, God. 00:35:23.740 --> 00:35:25.060 So what's your weather like 00:35:25.060 --> 00:35:25.580 there? 00:35:25.580 --> 00:35:26.900 - Today's nice, actually. 00:35:26.900 --> 00:35:27.740 Yeah, it's all right. 00:35:27.740 --> 00:35:29.060 Sun was shining a little bit. 00:35:29.060 --> 00:35:30.870 - Let's talk with a Western tw 00:35:30.870 --> 00:35:31.380 ang. 00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:32.220 - Let's talk-- 00:35:32.220 --> 00:35:33.700 - Pretty nice, Davey. 00:35:33.700 --> 00:35:34.780 Pretty nice, boy. 00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:36.360 We have some, we have some 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:37.220 sunshine. 00:35:37.220 --> 00:35:38.060 - How y'all do it? 00:35:38.060 --> 00:35:39.500 (laughing) 00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:40.340 - Sunshine. 00:35:40.340 --> 00:35:41.180 - How y'all do it there? 00:35:41.180 --> 00:35:42.740 - You build, how? 00:35:42.740 --> 00:35:43.660 - You build a-- 00:35:43.660 --> 00:35:45.420 - Well, we all have a here, 00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:47.570 a hornier than a cow pissing on 00:35:47.570 --> 00:35:48.500 a flat rock. 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:50.580 (laughing) 00:35:50.580 --> 00:35:51.730 - Now, I wanna tell you 00:35:51.730 --> 00:35:52.420 something. 00:35:52.420 --> 00:35:55.860 Davey caught George W. Bush 00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:57.420 saying in the debate last night 00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:00.310 that he called Uncle Osama and 00:36:00.310 --> 00:36:02.580 his gang of tourists, 00:36:02.580 --> 00:36:05.220 called them those folks. 00:36:05.220 --> 00:36:06.060 - Those folks. 00:36:06.060 --> 00:36:07.340 (laughing) 00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:08.820 Remember, three September 10th, 00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:09.860 those folks. 00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:10.700 (laughing) 00:36:10.700 --> 00:36:12.500 - Yeah, those folks. 00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:13.880 John Stuart had a great line 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:14.340 for that. 00:36:14.340 --> 00:36:15.220 Now I forgot what folks were. 00:36:15.220 --> 00:36:16.580 - We should have downloaded 00:36:16.580 --> 00:36:17.380 John's show. 00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:18.990 I should have, I didn't get the 00:36:18.990 --> 00:36:19.940 latest show yet. 00:36:19.940 --> 00:36:21.260 - Fuck, we should get rid of, 00:36:21.260 --> 00:36:22.740 just skip trade secrets 00:36:22.740 --> 00:36:24.280 and just go ahead and download 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:24.820 his thing. 00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:25.660 - And just play that. 00:36:25.660 --> 00:36:26.500 (laughing) 00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:27.340 Just play that. 00:36:27.340 --> 00:36:28.540 Well, you know what, we need to 00:36:28.540 --> 00:36:29.620 get some guests on the show. 00:36:29.620 --> 00:36:30.930 I'm gonna get John Stuart on 00:36:30.930 --> 00:36:31.860 trade secrets. 00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:33.340 That I can make happen, I think 00:36:33.340 --> 00:36:33.580 . 00:36:33.580 --> 00:36:34.420 - Wow. 00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:35.380 - Sure, sure, I can get John 00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:35.900 Stuart on. 00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:36.740 - Really? 00:36:36.740 --> 00:36:37.580 - Wow. 00:36:37.580 --> 00:36:38.420 - And we need to get Prince. 00:36:38.420 --> 00:36:39.240 - Wow. 00:36:39.240 --> 00:36:39.840 - We need to get Prince on 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:40.340 trade secrets. 00:36:40.340 --> 00:36:42.140 Yeah, well, why not? 00:36:42.140 --> 00:36:42.980 - Sure. 00:36:42.980 --> 00:36:43.980 - I'm sure we sold at least 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:44.900 three audiobooks 00:36:44.900 --> 00:36:45.740 for John Stuart. 00:36:45.740 --> 00:36:46.900 Why should, why, you know. 00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:48.740 He'll do it. 00:36:48.740 --> 00:36:50.300 - Yeah, maybe we can sell three 00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:50.780 more. 00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:52.740 - I gotta call, I gotta call JB 00:36:52.740 --> 00:36:52.980 . 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:54.360 JB in New York, he'll hook me 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:56.180 up with John, no problem. 00:36:56.180 --> 00:36:57.380 I'm gonna get him on the show. 00:36:57.380 --> 00:36:58.220 - Really? 00:36:58.220 --> 00:36:59.070 - What do you wanna talk to him 00:36:59.070 --> 00:36:59.420 about? 00:36:59.420 --> 00:37:00.500 - I'd be very nervous. 00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:01.980 I'm not sure I could do that. 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:03.260 - Oh, come on. 00:37:03.260 --> 00:37:04.580 - John Stuart. 00:37:04.580 --> 00:37:06.140 Eow. 00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:06.980 - We just wanna have him on. 00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:08.140 Just have him rag about the 00:37:08.140 --> 00:37:09.220 bush and just be funny 00:37:09.220 --> 00:37:10.850 and then we'll plug his book, 00:37:10.850 --> 00:37:11.420 right? 00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:12.260 - Yeah. 00:37:12.260 --> 00:37:13.270 - Is not the way to talk to his 00:37:13.270 --> 00:37:13.620 work. 00:37:13.620 --> 00:37:16.180 And, well actually I was blown 00:37:16.180 --> 00:37:17.540 away by that article 00:37:17.540 --> 00:37:19.540 in NBC4 that you pointed to. 00:37:19.540 --> 00:37:20.610 - Hey, isn't that beautiful, 00:37:20.610 --> 00:37:20.900 huh? 00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:22.570 - You know, put that, that was 00:37:22.570 --> 00:37:23.020 something. 00:37:23.020 --> 00:37:24.960 He said, here's the quote that 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:26.340 I pulled from that. 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:29.580 Podcasting is a term that is 00:37:29.580 --> 00:37:30.660 probably unfamiliar 00:37:30.660 --> 00:37:33.140 to most people, like everyone. 00:37:33.140 --> 00:37:34.460 - Like everybody in the world. 00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:36.700 (laughing) 00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:38.850 - Podcasting is a term that is 00:37:38.850 --> 00:37:39.180 probably 00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:40.950 unfamiliar to most people, but 00:37:40.950 --> 00:37:41.940 it represents 00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:44.300 a real potential change in the 00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:45.940 radio landscape. 00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:46.780 - Fuckin' it. 00:37:46.780 --> 00:37:47.620 - Now, that-- 00:37:47.620 --> 00:37:49.140 - That's a big statement from 00:37:49.140 --> 00:37:50.100 NBC. 00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:52.420 - Yeah, no shit. 00:37:52.420 --> 00:37:53.770 So maybe you're expecting that 00:37:53.770 --> 00:37:55.340 call from the NAB, 00:37:55.340 --> 00:37:57.140 like maybe today or tomorrow, 00:37:57.140 --> 00:37:57.340 or, 00:37:57.340 --> 00:37:58.620 do they work on Saturday? 00:37:58.620 --> 00:37:59.460 (laughing) 00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:00.580 - No, no, no, no. 00:38:00.580 --> 00:38:01.650 You can bomb 'em, you can bomb 00:38:01.650 --> 00:38:02.340 'em on the weekends. 00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:03.340 That's no problem. 00:38:03.340 --> 00:38:05.020 (laughing) 00:38:05.020 --> 00:38:05.860 They're closed, they're closed 00:38:05.860 --> 00:38:06.340 for business. 00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:07.500 - They don't work on Saturday. 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.340 - But no, but I mean-- 00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:09.090 - Well, but you'll get that 00:38:09.090 --> 00:38:10.900 call on Monday morning for-- 00:38:10.900 --> 00:38:12.020 Never listen to your voicemail 00:38:12.020 --> 00:38:12.540 when you come back 00:38:12.540 --> 00:38:14.220 from a weekend away on Monday, 00:38:14.220 --> 00:38:15.380 that's a bad idea. 00:38:15.380 --> 00:38:16.580 (laughing) 00:38:16.580 --> 00:38:18.520 - It could be the NAB shutting 00:38:18.520 --> 00:38:19.380 you down. 00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:20.400 - Yeah, but listen, but listen 00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:20.460 -- 00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.980 - They have all their lawyers. 00:38:21.980 --> 00:38:24.780 All their lawyers are Italian, 00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:25.140 by the way. 00:38:25.140 --> 00:38:25.880 I just thought I ought to 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:26.460 mention that. 00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:28.310 - Well, I know several of the N 00:38:28.310 --> 00:38:29.260 AB lawyers. 00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:31.580 But you know what? 00:38:31.580 --> 00:38:34.340 I think that, I think there's, 00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:35.190 the problem is big 00:38:35.190 --> 00:38:36.820 organizations like this 00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:38.170 make knee-jerk reactions and 00:38:38.170 --> 00:38:39.020 they'll freak out, 00:38:39.020 --> 00:38:40.780 whereas really, all the radio 00:38:40.780 --> 00:38:41.100 guys 00:38:41.100 --> 00:38:42.340 that are checking this out, 00:38:42.340 --> 00:38:44.010 and we've got everyone from Doc 00:38:44.010 --> 00:38:44.500 Searles, 00:38:44.500 --> 00:38:46.060 who's definitely a radio guy, 00:38:46.060 --> 00:38:48.430 to Dr. Dave in Vegas, to Bumper 00:38:48.430 --> 00:38:50.100 Morgan in Connecticut. 00:38:50.100 --> 00:38:52.300 These are real radio guys in 00:38:52.300 --> 00:38:53.780 heart and soul. 00:38:53.780 --> 00:38:55.130 You go to their websites, they 00:38:55.130 --> 00:38:56.220 've got air checks 00:38:56.220 --> 00:38:57.680 and jingles and they all see 00:38:57.680 --> 00:38:58.860 the opportunity. 00:38:58.860 --> 00:38:59.910 They're all saying, fuck, this 00:38:59.910 --> 00:39:00.980 is just another way 00:39:00.980 --> 00:39:02.980 for us to broadcast, because 00:39:02.980 --> 00:39:04.740 there really is no threat 00:39:04.740 --> 00:39:06.400 other than that, the Clear 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:06.940 Channel, 00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:08.430 which owns most stations in 00:39:08.430 --> 00:39:08.900 America 00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:10.380 with four other big, big 00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:11.060 companies, 00:39:11.060 --> 00:39:12.230 is that the only thing they can 00:39:12.230 --> 00:39:12.780 be jealous of 00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:14.700 is that we're not regulated, 00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:15.950 so that's where they're gonna 00:39:15.950 --> 00:39:16.380 start. 00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:17.450 It's like we can say, fuck, 00:39:17.450 --> 00:39:18.060 fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, 00:39:18.060 --> 00:39:19.700 Al-Qaeda as much as you want. 00:39:19.700 --> 00:39:21.020 - Yeah, fuck, fuck, fuck. 00:39:21.020 --> 00:39:22.340 (laughing) 00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:23.600 - Hold on a second, my money 00:39:23.600 --> 00:39:25.060 transferred to Al-Qaeda 00:39:25.060 --> 00:39:25.970 is slowing down my net 00:39:25.970 --> 00:39:26.660 connection. 00:39:26.660 --> 00:39:28.460 You can say whatever you want. 00:39:28.460 --> 00:39:30.620 (laughing) 00:39:30.620 --> 00:39:31.890 You can say whatever the hell 00:39:31.890 --> 00:39:32.700 you want to say. 00:39:32.700 --> 00:39:33.540 - Oh my God. 00:39:33.540 --> 00:39:34.380 - So they're gonna hate that. 00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:36.140 - Oh lord, oh lord, oh lord. 00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:38.100 - But I'm also seeing, I'll 00:39:38.100 --> 00:39:38.940 give you a great example 00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:40.420 in a second, I'm also seeing, 00:39:40.420 --> 00:39:43.300 you know, guys saying, well, 00:39:43.300 --> 00:39:43.540 wait a minute, 00:39:43.540 --> 00:39:44.850 this is just an extension of 00:39:44.850 --> 00:39:45.700 the transmitter 00:39:45.700 --> 00:39:47.030 and all the business models 00:39:47.030 --> 00:39:48.860 will work, which I agree with. 00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:50.670 But for instance, WGBH, the 00:39:50.670 --> 00:39:51.500 morning stories 00:39:51.500 --> 00:39:53.130 that I've been posting from a 00:39:53.130 --> 00:39:55.060 guy who works there. 00:39:55.060 --> 00:39:55.900 - Yeah, those are great. 00:39:55.900 --> 00:39:57.100 - Yeah, hold on, let me just 00:39:57.100 --> 00:39:58.820 see what his name is again. 00:39:58.820 --> 00:40:01.150 - The last one with the 00:40:01.150 --> 00:40:02.460 candidate, 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:04.540 that was really cool. 00:40:04.540 --> 00:40:05.900 - The way you, the different 00:40:05.900 --> 00:40:08.700 reads on the commercials. 00:40:08.700 --> 00:40:10.830 - Yeah, they could sound like 00:40:10.830 --> 00:40:11.900 we like him. 00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:14.250 - Yeah, right, so Tony Khan, I 00:40:14.250 --> 00:40:14.980 've been working with him 00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:15.860 and he said, oh, this is so 00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:16.380 cool, you know, 00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:19.020 I'm gonna get GBH to set up an 00:40:19.020 --> 00:40:20.980 RSS 2.0 feed. 00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:22.160 So he comes back at me and I 00:40:22.160 --> 00:40:23.060 haven't finished up 00:40:23.060 --> 00:40:24.340 the email conversation with him 00:40:24.340 --> 00:40:24.500 yet. 00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:26.170 And he says, no, we've got the 00:40:26.170 --> 00:40:26.460 feed. 00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.300 And what they did is they, 00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:28.660 indeed, 00:40:28.660 --> 00:40:30.920 they created a feed of the 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:32.060 transcript 00:40:32.060 --> 00:40:34.100 of the morning stories. 00:40:34.100 --> 00:40:35.540 So not of the audio itself, 00:40:35.540 --> 00:40:37.300 there's no enclosures. 00:40:37.300 --> 00:40:38.820 And he said, well, you know, 00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:40.380 there's still some political 00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:41.420 problems with that. 00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:43.720 And I'm like, oh man, we're so 00:40:43.720 --> 00:40:45.020 fucking close. 00:40:45.020 --> 00:40:46.260 And I know he can't help it. 00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:49.310 - WNYC did something very 00:40:49.310 --> 00:40:50.820 similar. 00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:52.260 I took a quick look at their R 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:52.700 SS feed. 00:40:52.700 --> 00:40:53.980 You remember when NPR came on 00:40:53.980 --> 00:40:55.780 with all their RSS feeds? 00:40:55.780 --> 00:40:57.460 And I noticed that WNYC, 00:40:57.460 --> 00:40:58.580 which is the New York NPR 00:40:58.580 --> 00:41:00.700 station, had enclosures. 00:41:00.700 --> 00:41:01.950 So I wrote a thing, now the 00:41:01.950 --> 00:41:02.940 scripting news is like, 00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:04.020 oh my God, we're there. 00:41:04.020 --> 00:41:05.190 I mean, they put the enclosures 00:41:05.190 --> 00:41:05.460 on. 00:41:05.460 --> 00:41:06.380 - Yeah, enclosures to what? 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:08.900 Real feeds or something? 00:41:08.900 --> 00:41:11.540 - No, to a JPEG. 00:41:11.540 --> 00:41:12.380 - Oh God. 00:41:12.380 --> 00:41:14.620 - That's what he said. 00:41:14.620 --> 00:41:15.980 - He's like, that's exactly 00:41:15.980 --> 00:41:17.140 what I was waiting for. 00:41:17.140 --> 00:41:18.340 There he goes. 00:41:18.340 --> 00:41:19.360 So that's what was sitting 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:20.580 there in my folder 00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:22.100 when I finished downloading. 00:41:22.100 --> 00:41:25.470 Oh, and Adam, get this, get 00:41:25.470 --> 00:41:26.380 this, get this. 00:41:26.380 --> 00:41:28.100 They weren't even big JPEGs. 00:41:28.100 --> 00:41:28.940 (laughing) 00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:29.800 They were like, these are like 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:30.380 thumbnail footage. 00:41:30.380 --> 00:41:31.620 - Wasn't like no animated gift 00:41:31.620 --> 00:41:32.780 was popping up, right? 00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:34.400 - They did a lot of bandwidth 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:35.900 there, I guess. 00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:37.440 Glad we downloaded that in the 00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.460 middle of the night. 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:39.670 - But here's where we're gonna 00:41:39.670 --> 00:41:40.940 get the NAB. 00:41:40.940 --> 00:41:41.940 Here's where we're gonna get 00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:42.500 the NAB, Dave, 00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:44.820 because you have one of these 00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:46.300 applications. 00:41:46.300 --> 00:41:48.640 There's also one with the Radio 00:41:48.640 --> 00:41:49.780 Shark for Mac. 00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:53.340 Because they love the fact 00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:55.020 that you can time shift their 00:41:55.020 --> 00:41:55.820 programming. 00:41:55.820 --> 00:41:57.700 And because that just means 00:41:57.700 --> 00:42:00.340 more goombas for them. 00:42:00.340 --> 00:42:02.140 So the same technology that 00:42:02.140 --> 00:42:02.900 allows you 00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:06.110 to time shift a radio show by 00:42:06.110 --> 00:42:07.900 subscription. 00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:08.680 And there are a couple 00:42:08.680 --> 00:42:09.980 companies doing this right now 00:42:09.980 --> 00:42:11.760 that you either pay money for 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:11.940 it, 00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:13.090 or you pay money for the 00:42:13.090 --> 00:42:13.580 service, 00:42:13.580 --> 00:42:14.530 or you pay money for the 00:42:14.530 --> 00:42:15.140 software. 00:42:15.140 --> 00:42:17.220 You're paying money somewhere. 00:42:17.220 --> 00:42:18.660 But they are extending their 00:42:18.660 --> 00:42:20.100 brand into our realm. 00:42:20.100 --> 00:42:21.540 And why would they fight that? 00:42:21.540 --> 00:42:22.540 I don't think, I think they're 00:42:22.540 --> 00:42:23.300 gonna be too greedy. 00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:24.660 They're gonna wanna have that. 00:42:24.660 --> 00:42:25.500 And they'll leave the door. 00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:27.230 You can't have one without the 00:42:27.230 --> 00:42:28.300 other, right? 00:42:28.300 --> 00:42:29.350 - Yeah, of course what you're 00:42:29.350 --> 00:42:29.580 saying 00:42:29.580 --> 00:42:30.750 makes perfect sense, but that 00:42:30.750 --> 00:42:31.220 doesn't mean 00:42:31.220 --> 00:42:32.180 that's what they're gonna do. 00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:33.600 I mean, there were lots of 00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:34.300 different, 00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:36.460 I mean, when I first learned 00:42:36.460 --> 00:42:37.540 about the web, 00:42:37.540 --> 00:42:39.520 there were already a lot of 00:42:39.520 --> 00:42:40.980 people in the web, right? 00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:42.340 It wasn't like, oh wow, this is 00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:43.220 Virgin Territory. 00:42:43.220 --> 00:42:44.210 There were a lot of people 00:42:44.210 --> 00:42:45.100 doing it, right? 00:42:45.100 --> 00:42:46.390 And a lot of those people were 00:42:46.390 --> 00:42:47.900 reporters, print reporters. 00:42:47.900 --> 00:42:51.050 And they got linking, and they 00:42:51.050 --> 00:42:52.420 had sort of, 00:42:52.420 --> 00:42:54.340 I remember thinking how strange 00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:54.780 this is, 00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:56.420 because I don't understand what 00:42:56.420 --> 00:42:56.620 the hell 00:42:56.620 --> 00:42:57.580 they're talking about, but they 00:42:57.580 --> 00:42:59.020 sure seem to believe in it. 00:42:59.020 --> 00:42:59.860 (laughing) 00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:01.890 And really, that came through 00:43:01.890 --> 00:43:02.980 very clearly. 00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:05.020 The first web project I did was 00:43:05.020 --> 00:43:05.900 the strike paper, 00:43:05.900 --> 00:43:07.420 San Francisco strike paper. 00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:08.260 - Right, I remember that. 00:43:08.260 --> 00:43:10.150 - Well, these reporters were 00:43:10.150 --> 00:43:11.180 saying basically, 00:43:11.180 --> 00:43:12.580 you have to preserve our links, 00:43:12.580 --> 00:43:13.880 because that's part of the deal 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:15.220 , you know? 00:43:15.220 --> 00:43:17.870 And another good example, I 00:43:17.870 --> 00:43:19.300 mean, of course, that's great. 00:43:19.300 --> 00:43:20.570 That's an old medium, 00:43:20.570 --> 00:43:22.060 discovering a new medium 00:43:22.060 --> 00:43:23.640 and going and falling in love, 00:43:23.640 --> 00:43:24.180 right? 00:43:24.180 --> 00:43:25.420 - Right. 00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:27.380 - And the New York Times was 00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:28.700 another good example. 00:43:29.100 --> 00:43:32.550 They decided that it wasn't 00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:34.100 automatic 00:43:34.100 --> 00:43:35.680 that they would be number one 00:43:35.680 --> 00:43:36.860 in the new medium. 00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:38.470 So what they did was they bet 00:43:38.470 --> 00:43:39.660 on the new medium, 00:43:39.660 --> 00:43:41.820 really heavy and really early, 00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:44.480 and it worked out great for 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:45.380 them. 00:43:45.380 --> 00:43:47.440 I mean, they are, in some sense 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.200 , number one in the web. 00:43:49.200 --> 00:43:51.770 And they were, in that same 00:43:51.770 --> 00:43:52.580 sense, 00:43:52.580 --> 00:43:54.460 number one in print beforehand. 00:43:54.460 --> 00:43:56.580 But for every one of those, 00:43:56.580 --> 00:43:58.380 you've got big media companies 00:43:58.380 --> 00:43:59.980 that get completely trashed by 00:43:59.980 --> 00:44:00.420 the web. 00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:02.740 And then you ask yourself, 00:44:02.740 --> 00:44:04.240 well, why didn't they jump on 00:44:04.240 --> 00:44:04.380 it 00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:06.000 like those reporters in San 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:06.660 Francisco 00:44:06.660 --> 00:44:07.980 and why the New York Times? 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:09.660 Because they're the little 00:44:09.660 --> 00:44:10.300 Dutch boy 00:44:10.300 --> 00:44:11.300 with the finger in the night 00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:11.900 thinking that, 00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:13.310 if well, we don't even look at 00:44:13.310 --> 00:44:13.580 it, 00:44:13.580 --> 00:44:15.100 it's like Apple with the web. 00:44:15.100 --> 00:44:16.820 Apple got completely rolled 00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:17.700 over by the web. 00:44:17.700 --> 00:44:19.660 And it was so stupid because 00:44:19.660 --> 00:44:20.480 the early web 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.260 was more than 50% Macintosh. 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:23.700 - Well, Microsoft also got 00:44:23.700 --> 00:44:24.820 rolled over by the web. 00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:26.830 I remember their big turning of 00:44:26.830 --> 00:44:27.180 the ship 00:44:27.180 --> 00:44:28.620 trying to grab a hold. 00:44:28.620 --> 00:44:31.260 - Tell me about it. 00:44:31.260 --> 00:44:32.860 I wish I could tell you, 00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:34.460 I know even more about that 00:44:34.460 --> 00:44:34.860 today 00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:36.590 than I did a couple of weeks 00:44:36.590 --> 00:44:36.860 ago. 00:44:36.860 --> 00:44:39.190 And it's, only they did it 00:44:39.190 --> 00:44:39.900 differently. 00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:41.290 They said, well, we know that 00:44:41.290 --> 00:44:42.500 we could get rolled over 00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:43.340 by this thing. 00:44:43.340 --> 00:44:45.020 That was Bill Gates's logic in 00:44:45.020 --> 00:44:46.020 1995, 00:44:46.020 --> 00:44:47.120 is that if we don't do 00:44:47.120 --> 00:44:48.260 something dramatic, 00:44:48.260 --> 00:44:50.260 we will get rolled over by it. 00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:52.320 So we'd better prevent that at 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:53.300 all costs. 00:44:53.300 --> 00:44:54.700 So what they did was, 00:44:54.700 --> 00:44:55.860 instead of putting their finger 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.580 in the deck like Apple did, 00:44:57.580 --> 00:44:59.970 was they built the Hoover Dam 00:44:59.970 --> 00:45:01.300 all around the world. 00:45:01.300 --> 00:45:03.880 (all laughing) 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:04.720 - And then logic. 00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:05.560 - Yeah, that's good. 00:45:05.560 --> 00:45:06.640 - Yeah. 00:45:06.640 --> 00:45:09.660 And I mean, it was a sheer, 00:45:09.660 --> 00:45:10.420 like sort of, 00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:12.080 you know, when the full 00:45:12.080 --> 00:45:13.780 dimension of their invasion 00:45:13.780 --> 00:45:16.320 of the web was clear, and this 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:17.420 was like 1996, 00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:19.030 I was at a conference in 00:45:19.030 --> 00:45:19.660 Phoenix 00:45:19.660 --> 00:45:22.260 where they kind of unveiled it. 00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:23.440 It was at an Esther Dyson 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:24.060 conference. 00:45:24.060 --> 00:45:25.380 They unveiled how many 00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:26.460 different fronts 00:45:26.460 --> 00:45:27.740 they were attacking the web on. 00:45:27.740 --> 00:45:29.220 And how they, it's kind of like 00:45:29.220 --> 00:45:30.140 what we're seeing right now 00:45:30.140 --> 00:45:31.780 with RSS and Yahoo. 00:45:31.780 --> 00:45:33.780 You know, Yahoo comes in and, 00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:33.820 you know, 00:45:33.820 --> 00:45:34.990 they're quiet for a little 00:45:34.990 --> 00:45:35.300 while 00:45:35.300 --> 00:45:36.310 while they're getting their 00:45:36.310 --> 00:45:36.860 shit together. 00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:37.830 And then all of a sudden one 00:45:37.830 --> 00:45:38.020 day, 00:45:38.020 --> 00:45:39.820 they announced that basically 00:45:39.820 --> 00:45:41.460 they're the new owners of RSS. 00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:43.280 And by the way, we're all gonna 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:43.820 have to sign, 00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:44.820 we're all gonna have to sign le 00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:45.500 ases with them. 00:45:45.500 --> 00:45:47.210 - Yeah, all your RSSs belong to 00:45:47.210 --> 00:45:47.620 us. 00:45:47.620 --> 00:45:49.140 (all laughing) 00:45:49.140 --> 00:45:49.980 - Exactly. 00:45:49.980 --> 00:45:52.540 And unfortunately for Yahoo, 00:45:52.540 --> 00:45:54.220 you know, fuck that shit, right 00:45:54.220 --> 00:45:54.340 ? 00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:55.180 - Yeah, really? 00:45:55.180 --> 00:45:56.300 - I didn't say that about 00:45:56.300 --> 00:45:57.300 Microsoft and the web 00:45:57.300 --> 00:45:58.220 when I saw it, in fact, I read 00:45:58.220 --> 00:45:58.820 a piece called 00:45:58.820 --> 00:46:00.180 "Stalin' Go Home." 00:46:00.180 --> 00:46:01.960 You know, basically, we don't 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:03.580 need your ass here. 00:46:03.580 --> 00:46:04.660 Basically, you know, why don't 00:46:04.660 --> 00:46:05.980 you just calm down a little bit 00:46:05.980 --> 00:46:05.980 ? 00:46:05.980 --> 00:46:07.460 It's not really that serious, 00:46:07.460 --> 00:46:08.140 you know? 00:46:08.140 --> 00:46:09.860 And it didn't work. 00:46:09.860 --> 00:46:11.260 And they, you know, they did 00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:12.620 their hardcore thing 00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:13.960 and attacked and attacked and 00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:14.420 attacked. 00:46:14.420 --> 00:46:16.060 And then they're sort of like 00:46:16.060 --> 00:46:16.420 the kid 00:46:16.420 --> 00:46:17.580 who's killed off all the other 00:46:17.580 --> 00:46:18.500 kids in the neighborhood. 00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:20.260 And they go, "Well, can we play 00:46:20.260 --> 00:46:21.100 with them?" 00:46:21.100 --> 00:46:23.060 - Yeah, we got all these toys 00:46:23.060 --> 00:46:23.500 and we want to play. 00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:24.110 - Maybe you should have thought 00:46:24.110 --> 00:46:24.340 about that 00:46:24.340 --> 00:46:25.180 before you killed them. 00:46:25.180 --> 00:46:27.020 (all laughing) 00:46:27.020 --> 00:46:28.090 It's like, maybe you should 00:46:28.090 --> 00:46:29.180 have given that a little 00:46:29.180 --> 00:46:29.460 thought 00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:30.810 before you did all this sl 00:46:30.810 --> 00:46:32.740 ashing and burning, you know? 00:46:32.740 --> 00:46:35.180 But so, you'll probably see all 00:46:35.180 --> 00:46:37.140 kinds of reactions. 00:46:37.140 --> 00:46:38.540 And of course, talk about panic 00:46:38.540 --> 00:46:38.740 . 00:46:38.740 --> 00:46:40.550 You know, what happened with 00:46:40.550 --> 00:46:41.340 Napster? 00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:44.040 I mean, you know, basically, we 00:46:44.040 --> 00:46:45.060 wouldn't be seeing 00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:46.640 the Renaissance and music on 00:46:46.640 --> 00:46:47.740 the net right now 00:46:47.740 --> 00:46:49.260 that you're seeing, you know, 00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:50.500 if it hadn't been for Napster. 00:46:50.500 --> 00:46:51.820 And of course, lots of people 00:46:51.820 --> 00:46:52.900 were saying that to them 00:46:52.900 --> 00:46:54.760 at the time of Napster that you 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:56.020 guys really ought to be, 00:46:56.020 --> 00:46:57.620 stop fighting this thing, ' 00:46:57.620 --> 00:46:59.500 cause instead, study it. 00:46:59.500 --> 00:47:00.970 What is it that people lack 00:47:00.970 --> 00:47:01.620 about this? 00:47:01.620 --> 00:47:02.640 And then see how we can 00:47:02.640 --> 00:47:03.740 negotiate something 00:47:03.740 --> 00:47:05.340 where you don't have to feel 00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:06.260 like you're being raped 00:47:06.260 --> 00:47:07.660 for us to get what we want. 00:47:07.660 --> 00:47:09.260 - And that's Andrew Ortauski's 00:47:09.260 --> 00:47:10.580 point in his speeches, 00:47:10.580 --> 00:47:11.920 where he's saying, "Look, you 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:13.100 guys, package music. 00:47:13.100 --> 00:47:14.310 "You're just being lazy motherf 00:47:14.310 --> 00:47:14.780 uckers. 00:47:14.780 --> 00:47:16.630 "Find out different ways to 00:47:16.630 --> 00:47:17.660 package music. 00:47:17.660 --> 00:47:19.490 "You know, there's lots and 00:47:19.490 --> 00:47:20.700 lots and lots." 00:47:20.700 --> 00:47:21.540 What is it? 00:47:21.540 --> 00:47:22.800 "Green Day" now just released 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.140 their album, their new album, 00:47:24.140 --> 00:47:26.300 and they store with it, or they 00:47:26.300 --> 00:47:27.620 sell you with it, 00:47:27.620 --> 00:47:30.980 I think eight or 10 blank CDs, 00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:33.300 but with each with a different 00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:35.420 Green Day logo on the CD. 00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:36.540 So he's like, "Go ahead, burn 00:47:36.540 --> 00:47:36.860 this, 00:47:36.860 --> 00:47:38.780 "and then you can either sell 00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:39.740 it or give it away 00:47:39.740 --> 00:47:40.740 "or do whatever, but at least 00:47:40.740 --> 00:47:41.540 it's an official-looking 00:47:41.540 --> 00:47:43.140 "Green Day thing, and it's not 00:47:43.140 --> 00:47:45.580 some crappy-looking-- 00:47:45.580 --> 00:47:46.700 - Look, that clever. 00:47:46.700 --> 00:47:47.740 - Of course it's clever, and 00:47:47.740 --> 00:47:49.340 that's where it has to go. 00:47:49.340 --> 00:47:51.170 That's personalized stuff, and 00:47:51.170 --> 00:47:52.180 people will buy that. 00:47:52.180 --> 00:47:53.340 I mean, people like goodies, 00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:54.180 they like gadgets, 00:47:54.180 --> 00:47:55.020 but you've gotta do it smarter. 00:47:55.020 --> 00:47:56.740 - That's a renegotiation. 00:47:56.740 --> 00:47:58.270 That's a renegotiation right 00:47:58.270 --> 00:47:58.620 there. 00:47:58.620 --> 00:48:00.160 - Well, that's the problem, 00:48:00.160 --> 00:48:00.580 Dave, 00:48:00.580 --> 00:48:02.020 is big companies like record 00:48:02.020 --> 00:48:03.380 companies can't do that. 00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:05.110 They can't go back and renegoti 00:48:05.110 --> 00:48:06.260 ate everything. 00:48:06.260 --> 00:48:07.700 - Wrong, that's incorrect. 00:48:07.700 --> 00:48:09.020 The record company can. 00:48:09.020 --> 00:48:10.180 - Not with their shareholders, 00:48:10.180 --> 00:48:10.740 they can't. 00:48:10.740 --> 00:48:11.940 Not with their shareholders. 00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:13.950 - With their very little pen 00:48:13.950 --> 00:48:15.860 ises and their soliloquies, 00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:17.260 they can't get-- 00:48:17.260 --> 00:48:18.620 (laughing) 00:48:18.620 --> 00:48:19.940 - They can't. 00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:20.540 - I don't think their 00:48:20.540 --> 00:48:22.130 shareholders will let them do 00:48:22.130 --> 00:48:22.580 it. 00:48:22.580 --> 00:48:23.900 It's a whole-- 00:48:23.900 --> 00:48:25.220 Ahmed Erdogan, who started 00:48:25.220 --> 00:48:26.100 Atlantic Records 00:48:26.100 --> 00:48:27.350 by selling him out of the trunk 00:48:27.350 --> 00:48:27.900 of his car, 00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.550 is not gonna fucking let it 00:48:29.550 --> 00:48:30.260 happen. 00:48:30.260 --> 00:48:33.060 He refuses to understand. 00:48:33.060 --> 00:48:33.900 I know that. 00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:35.110 This is the most stubbornest 00:48:35.110 --> 00:48:36.140 man you've ever met. 00:48:36.140 --> 00:48:38.540 - Really? 00:48:38.540 --> 00:48:39.380 (laughing) 00:48:39.380 --> 00:48:41.060 But if he sold his, he sold 00:48:41.060 --> 00:48:41.860 those discs 00:48:41.860 --> 00:48:43.180 out of the trunk of his car, 00:48:43.180 --> 00:48:45.090 then he's got to understand an 00:48:45.090 --> 00:48:46.020 opportunity 00:48:46.020 --> 00:48:47.180 when he sees one. 00:48:47.180 --> 00:48:48.340 - Yeah, but understanding this 00:48:48.340 --> 00:48:49.260 opportunity, Dave, 00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:50.990 is not the simplest thing, you 00:48:50.990 --> 00:48:51.500 know? 00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:52.340 Come on. 00:48:52.340 --> 00:48:53.650 - I heard that guy interviewed 00:48:53.650 --> 00:48:54.100 on NPR. 00:48:54.100 --> 00:48:55.300 I thought, what was his name 00:48:55.300 --> 00:48:55.740 again? 00:48:55.740 --> 00:48:58.020 - Ortauski, Andrew Ortauski? 00:48:58.020 --> 00:48:59.650 - No, no, that's Andrew Orl 00:48:59.650 --> 00:49:00.260 owski. 00:49:00.260 --> 00:49:01.270 - Orlowski, not Ortauski. - Orl 00:49:01.270 --> 00:49:01.660 owski. 00:49:01.660 --> 00:49:02.920 - Orlowski. - Right, but the 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:03.300 guy, 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:04.380 Atlantic Records guy-- 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:06.140 - Ahmed. - Ahmed Erdogan. 00:49:06.140 --> 00:49:08.700 - He's Turkish? 00:49:08.700 --> 00:49:09.540 - Yes. 00:49:09.540 --> 00:49:11.420 - Yeah, I heard him interviewed 00:49:11.420 --> 00:49:11.940 on NPR. 00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:13.580 I thought he was great. 00:49:13.580 --> 00:49:14.980 - He is great, he's a legend. 00:49:14.980 --> 00:49:15.820 He's a legend. 00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:17.500 But so far-- 00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:19.500 - But he loves music. 00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:21.180 He loves music, though. 00:49:21.180 --> 00:49:22.730 - Yeah, he also loves getting 00:49:22.730 --> 00:49:23.740 paid for music. 00:49:23.740 --> 00:49:25.880 - Yeah, well, let's get him on 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:27.220 trade secrets. 00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:28.780 I wanna talk with that guy. 00:49:28.780 --> 00:49:31.220 - Hey, Adam, Adam, Dave, all 00:49:31.220 --> 00:49:31.500 right, 00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:32.940 let me tell you the fucking MP3 00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:34.340 , download his shit. 00:49:34.340 --> 00:49:35.860 Hey, hey, hey, it's Ahmed here, 00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:36.980 Ahmed Erdogan. 00:49:36.980 --> 00:49:38.070 Hey, let me tell you, when I 00:49:38.070 --> 00:49:38.420 started 00:49:38.420 --> 00:49:40.250 fucking Atlantic Records, I saw 00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:40.980 this shit 00:49:40.980 --> 00:49:43.180 out of my back of my car. 00:49:43.180 --> 00:49:44.780 - I know him, he would be great 00:49:44.780 --> 00:49:45.020 . 00:49:45.020 --> 00:49:46.340 He would be great. 00:49:46.340 --> 00:49:47.660 He would be great. 00:49:47.660 --> 00:49:49.620 I guarantee you, I promise you, 00:49:49.620 --> 00:49:50.440 when we're talking about these 00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:50.660 people, 00:49:50.660 --> 00:49:52.080 we're gonna get him on the show 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:52.300 . 00:49:52.300 --> 00:49:53.530 There's enough people I know 00:49:53.530 --> 00:49:56.140 who have the roads to Ahmed, 00:49:56.140 --> 00:49:58.160 who could probably convince him 00:49:58.160 --> 00:49:58.420 . 00:49:58.420 --> 00:49:59.260 Shit, I think you're gonna-- 00:49:59.260 --> 00:50:00.780 - I love to get him on here. 00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:01.620 - Yeah. 00:50:01.620 --> 00:50:02.780 - Never mind, let's talk about, 00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:04.720 he told this story about 00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:06.380 Professor Longhair, okay, 00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:07.680 that would bring tears to your 00:50:07.680 --> 00:50:08.060 eyes. 00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:10.540 I mean, maybe it's not true. 00:50:10.540 --> 00:50:12.030 Maybe he didn't discover 00:50:12.030 --> 00:50:13.500 Professor Longhair. 00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:14.340 - He probably did. 00:50:14.340 --> 00:50:16.540 - But it was a great story. 00:50:16.540 --> 00:50:17.740 It was a really great story. 00:50:17.740 --> 00:50:19.780 And Professor Longhair is one 00:50:19.780 --> 00:50:21.380 incredible performer. 00:50:21.380 --> 00:50:22.880 I've seen Professor Longhair 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:23.180 play. 00:50:23.180 --> 00:50:25.330 And Adam, you're no Professor 00:50:25.330 --> 00:50:26.300 Longhair. 00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:27.780 - You know what, I'm not. 00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:28.620 I'm not. 00:50:28.620 --> 00:50:29.620 Ted Kennedy, however. 00:50:29.620 --> 00:50:31.700 (laughing) 00:50:31.700 --> 00:50:32.860 Hey Dave, listen, I've got 00:50:32.860 --> 00:50:34.300 macaroni sitting on the table. 00:50:34.300 --> 00:50:35.770 We gotta leave in an hour, and 00:50:35.770 --> 00:50:36.740 I still have to 00:50:36.740 --> 00:50:38.140 compress this fucker down to an 00:50:38.140 --> 00:50:39.860 MP3 and upload it. 00:50:39.860 --> 00:50:41.790 But I have a long story, I have 00:50:41.790 --> 00:50:43.420 a long story I wanna tell you. 00:50:43.420 --> 00:50:44.970 I wanna have a story I've gotta 00:50:44.970 --> 00:50:45.460 tell you. 00:50:45.460 --> 00:50:46.300 It's really long. 00:50:46.300 --> 00:50:48.650 - But why don't we tease our 00:50:48.650 --> 00:50:49.700 listeners 00:50:49.700 --> 00:50:52.320 that your long, long, long sol 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:52.980 iloquy 00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:54.790 will be available on the next 00:50:54.790 --> 00:50:55.980 trade secrets? 00:50:55.980 --> 00:50:57.420 That way people will be anxious 00:50:57.420 --> 00:50:58.220 and awaiting it. 00:50:58.220 --> 00:51:00.580 And they can't wait to hear it. 00:51:00.580 --> 00:51:01.820 It's called a cliffhanger. 00:51:01.820 --> 00:51:04.210 - I want some of that macaroni, 00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:05.300 all right? 00:51:05.300 --> 00:51:07.020 - Let me tell you, my in-laws 00:51:07.020 --> 00:51:07.740 are here. 00:51:07.740 --> 00:51:08.580 'Cause they're gonna stay here 00:51:08.580 --> 00:51:09.820 with Christina. 00:51:09.820 --> 00:51:12.820 And then my father-in-law is 00:51:12.820 --> 00:51:14.820 now packing 00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:16.860 little buds of marijuana into a 00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:17.740 tea packet, 00:51:17.740 --> 00:51:19.760 packets for us to take England 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:20.540 with us. 00:51:20.540 --> 00:51:22.140 (laughing) 00:51:22.140 --> 00:51:23.890 - Oh, what a great father-in- 00:51:23.890 --> 00:51:24.340 law. 00:51:24.340 --> 00:51:25.300 - Isn't he awesome? 00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:26.140 Isn't he awesome? 00:51:26.140 --> 00:51:27.220 - He does. 00:51:27.220 --> 00:51:28.540 He really loves you. 00:51:28.540 --> 00:51:30.220 - Yeah, I love him too, 00:51:30.220 --> 00:51:31.380 absolutely. 00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:33.350 This is what family's all about 00:51:33.350 --> 00:51:34.300 , you know? 00:51:34.300 --> 00:51:36.540 (laughing) 00:51:36.540 --> 00:51:39.100 - Aw, aw, ain't that cute. 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:41.740 - Yeah, sure is, buddy. 00:51:41.740 --> 00:51:42.980 Did he save a little bit for 00:51:42.980 --> 00:51:43.700 your daughter 00:51:43.700 --> 00:51:45.680 so she can get high while you 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:46.140 're-- 00:51:46.140 --> 00:51:47.300 - No, she has no interest. 00:51:47.300 --> 00:51:49.900 She has no interest in smoking 00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:51.180 whatsoever. 00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:52.300 No interest in alcohol either. 00:51:52.300 --> 00:51:53.660 - Me too. 00:51:53.660 --> 00:51:54.900 Me too, I don't do any of that 00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:56.260 shit, no way. 00:51:56.260 --> 00:51:57.540 I used to, but I don't anymore. 00:51:57.540 --> 00:51:58.540 - Yeah, well, 'cause it kills-- 00:51:58.540 --> 00:52:00.060 - All right, Adam, will you-- 00:52:00.060 --> 00:52:01.180 Yeah, totally. 00:52:01.180 --> 00:52:02.020 - All right, dude. 00:52:02.020 --> 00:52:02.860 - It's a killer. 00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:04.900 I got some killer weed here. 00:52:04.900 --> 00:52:06.180 Yeah, I have a great time. 00:52:06.180 --> 00:52:07.130 - Wait a minute, you just 00:52:07.130 --> 00:52:07.780 confused me. 00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:09.610 You said you got some killer 00:52:09.610 --> 00:52:10.580 weed there? 00:52:10.580 --> 00:52:12.620 - No, no, no, no, killer weed, 00:52:12.620 --> 00:52:13.180 literally would you-- 00:52:13.180 --> 00:52:14.690 - Oh, literally, literally, 00:52:14.690 --> 00:52:15.140 okay. 00:52:15.140 --> 00:52:16.460 - Yeah, exactly. 00:52:16.460 --> 00:52:18.300 - Damn, I'm like. 00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:19.790 I can reroute the flight from 00:52:19.790 --> 00:52:20.620 London to Seattle, 00:52:20.620 --> 00:52:21.460 no problem. 00:52:21.460 --> 00:52:22.940 (laughing) 00:52:22.940 --> 00:52:23.600 All right, let's get the fuck 00:52:23.600 --> 00:52:24.260 out of here, Dave. 00:52:24.260 --> 00:52:25.480 I'll talk to you soon, buddy, 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:27.060 have a good weekend. 00:52:27.060 --> 00:52:28.340 - Okay, bye everybody. 00:52:28.340 --> 00:52:29.180 I'll see you all later. 00:52:29.180 --> 00:52:30.020 - 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