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 It's Tim Bird the Birdman ever.

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 That's how he talked. He

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 actually talked like if you

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 were like running into him in

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 the elevator or something

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 No, he said hi. I'm Adam Curry.

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 No, of course I'm Tim Bird the

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 Birdman.

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 Well, yes, if you introduced

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 him to someone he would say hi,

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 I'm Tim Bird the Birdman.

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 He would actually do that. What

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 a puss. Anyway, we're recording

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 now. Yeah, that was a little

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 bit of sort of like

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 Ad hoc impromptu behind the

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 scenes banter. Behind the

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 scenes, behind the scenes, we

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're going to see Loumster.

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 What it's like to be and Chris

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 is in the background ordering

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 up our dinner. Is that loud

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 enough now? Is that a good

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 volume?

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 Yeah, you'll be able to make it

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 out. So this is what a podcast

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 is like. Basically what you do

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 is you plop down a bunch of,

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 now Chris is going out of the

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 room. He heard me say that, I

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 guess. And he's probably

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 feeling a little self-conscious

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,

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 but he was actually helping me

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 demo an important concept,

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 which is that a podcast is real

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 life.

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 And if you listen to my art

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 podcast today where I talked

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 about God and art and all these

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 heavy concepts,

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 you realize that, well,

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 whatever. This is just one

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 person's idea about how this

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 stuff works. But I didn't write

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 a script,

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 and I didn't ask anybody else

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 for their opinion, and I didn't

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 bring a friend in to play a

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 role or whatever.

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 It wasn't a skit, right? So

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 anyway, so you want to pick it

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 up from there?

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 Okay, so we're sitting here,

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 well, we're having a, actually

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 we were geeking out a bit. Well

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, yeah, the internet,

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 the internet kind of crapped

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 out, and then I ran over to my

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 machine because Chris is going

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 to get dinner.

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 I ran over to my machine

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 because my machine is routing

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 internet through the Wi-Fi to

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 Dave's machine.

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 You mean like internet, don't

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 you?

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 Yeah, I'm going to crank it up.

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 Yeah, that's much better. And

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 so whenever I go to my computer

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 to, well, basically I'm

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 checking audio.weblogs.com a

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 lot.

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 If you ever ask Dave, how do

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 you do this, Adam? Because I'm

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 always on audio.weblogs.com.

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 How do you do this, Adam?

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 Yeah, we always want to know

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 how do you listen to all this

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 stuff?

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 How do you listen to all this

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 stuff?

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 Well, Dave, I'm glad you asked.

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 I go to audio.weblogs.com and

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 that's where I'm constantly

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 checking stuff out.

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 Excellent.

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 So I went there, in fact, it

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 may not well have changed

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 actually.

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 I went to audio.weblogs.com and

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 number three on the last 100

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 podcasts I saw, Yeast Radio.

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 So I said with excitement, "

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Whoa, there's a new Yeast Radio

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!"

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 And what was cool about it is

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 that we're kind of like waiting

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 for people to show up here.

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 We really have anything to do.

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 I was thinking about putting

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 the TV on and I said, "Out loud

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, this is better than CNN."

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 I don't know exactly what I

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 meant.

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 Because it was exciting.

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 It was exciting.

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 It was exciting that there will

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 be a new Madge Weinstein.

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 So now may be a good time to

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 say that the first time I heard

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 Madge Weinstein as an excerpt

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 on the Daily Source Code,

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 it was a visual image of a

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 short, stocky, transsexual guy

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 with like a beard.

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 It was a very vivid image and

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 it was kind of like a little on

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 the shocking side,

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 maybe even a little gross but

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 funny as hell.

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 Just totally hilarious.

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 And almost everything that I've

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 heard from Madge Weinstein has

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 been that way.

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 Except, so today I thought Mad

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ge was a real person.

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 The first glimpse of the

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 possibility that Madge is not a

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 real person came in a comment

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 thread on your site earlier

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 today,

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 where somebody said that Madge

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 is Richard Bluestine.

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 And so I went looking on Google

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 to see what I could find out

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 about Richard Bluestine.

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 And not a whole lot and it wasn

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't clear to me.

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 In fact, it didn't seem very

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 likely to me that Madge was

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 Richard Bluestine.

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 So anyway, that's a little bit

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 of background.

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 So you queued it up, or no, I

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 queued it up.

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 I downloaded the MP3 and the

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 speakers.

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 Because the speakers were on my

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 machine.

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 And the beginning of it was

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 hilarious.

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 I mean, in stitches, she says

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 at one point, "Well, we shouldn

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't spoil it."

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 No, but almost--

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 There was one line that is just

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 really--

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 Yeah, yeah, we don't spoil it.

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 But the minute you heard this,

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 you knew it was not real.

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 I knew that immediately. Did

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 you catch that?

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 Yeah, and sometimes other

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 people have done this.

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 Like Dawn and Drew have a

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 character that shows up from

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 time to time.

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 The Professor.

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 The Professor is really funny.

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 And I always wondered who was

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 the Professor.

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 Yeah, yeah, I know him. Yeah.

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 Who is the Professor?

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 He's their friend.

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 He's going to hate me. I forgot

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 his name.

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 Well, maybe--

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 He's the guy with the blown out

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 earlobes.

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 I don't know who he is. He's

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 funny.

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 He's a great guy.

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 And I play along and I called

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 up Dawn and Drew and left them

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 a voicemail and said,

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 "I haven't actually asked a

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 question for the Professor, but

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 he's funny."

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 I play along with it because

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 whatever.

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 But it's borderline podcast

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 material to do that.

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 It's kind of like you're

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 getting--it's like a comedy

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 review or something like that,

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 or stage production or fiction.

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 But that's what MAG was doing

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 today.

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 It was scripted, okay?

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 You said it was clearly script

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ed.

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 I agreed with you after you

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 said that.

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 And it left us both with the

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 feeling like we needed to clear

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 the air on this a little bit.

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 That MAG isn't what we thought

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 she was, right?

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 Well, so he--well, okay, I'll

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 give you my feel.

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 So the minute I heard this, I'm

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 like, "Oh my God, this is

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 scripted,"

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 which gave me a whole bunch of

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 clues.

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 And the first thing that went

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 through my mind is,

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 "Well, how much is scripted?"

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 And I clearly wasn't really

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 talking to MAG Weinstein,

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 ready, balding, 50-year-old,

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 transsexual or transgender

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 Jewish guy,

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 being with a beard.

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 To make matters even worse, now

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 we've seen a picture or

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 something.

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 We actually have a picture.

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 He's not in the 50s.

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 No, he's not.

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 He's got it.

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 And so it's an act.

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 Something like this happened to

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 me when I was a kid.

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 I had a pen pal who lived in

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 Scotland.

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 And, you know, after a while,

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 it kind of got old, right?

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 But I kept doing it, you know?

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 And I got a letter from the pen

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 pal, and this was the last

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 letter.

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 And it said, "Sometimes my

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 mother writes these letters for

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 me."

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 Oh, God.

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 Yeah.

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 And of course, it was the

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 mother writing that.

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 Oh, God!

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 I'm a witty guy.

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 So, you know, that took...

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 I mean, obviously, I'm not

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 going to continue that.

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 I mean, I was...

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 Not directly with that person.

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 Right.

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 And that's kind of how this

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 feels, is that we thought, you

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 know,

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 because really, there is a

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 place for a 50-year-old transse

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xual

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 to tell us what they think of

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 the world.

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 And I don't want the feeling

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 that this is being something...

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 that this is a script written

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 by a comedian who would like to

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 just

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 want to entertain us.

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 This is kind of like what came

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 up in the American Splendor.

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 You were saying about how...

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 What was that guy's name?

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 Toby Radle.

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 Right.

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 And how they made him sound...

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 This was so interesting.

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 They made him sound like this

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...

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 He talked so deliberately.

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 I mean, the original Nude.

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 I love what Castle Bear Nude is

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.

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 Right.

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 So, he was actually on a

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 podcast, right?

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 Right, right, right.

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 And then the next day, there

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 was a comment in your thing

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 about the one

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 where you talked about it in

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 our Consprenos, and he said,

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 "This is so amazing," because

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 that guy's actually in...

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 I'm on a podcast, so I listened

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 to it.

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 But he couldn't figure out

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 which one he was.

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 He sounded like...

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 Whoever he was sounded like a

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 perfectly normal person.

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 So, what did they do?

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 How did they get him to sound

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 that way?

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 They made him sound that way.

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 Yeah, but that...

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 It's...

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 Okay, here's my problem.

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 I don't...

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 Okay, there's one thing to know

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 that...

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 And of course, the suspicion

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 was always there.

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 There's one thing to know that

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 Madge Weinstein isn't the

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 picture that I paint

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 in my mind of who Madge Wein

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stein is.

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 It's another thing.

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 Whatever your fucking name is,

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 however you want to talk,

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 and I don't have a problem with

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 someone putting on a different

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 voice or whatever.

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 You may want to be anonymous to

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 your environment.

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 It doesn't matter.

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 But what I heard Madge Wein

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stein saying about politics and

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 about life and art,

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 I love that.

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 And whoever is behind that is

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 my Madge Weinstein.

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 Assuming it's real.

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 Assuming that isn't like a

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 Republican...

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 I don't think that was scripted

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.

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 I think that stuff...

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 It can't be scripted.

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 That came from the heart.

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 If it didn't, then...

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 Well, we need to hear from

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 whoever it is that Madge Wein

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stein is, you know,

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 as to whether or not...

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 How we should interpret that

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 other stuff.

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 And I'm willing to give her

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 another chance.

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 I'm willing to try losing again

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.

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 But first, I got to know...

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 I got to start seeing something

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 like...

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 I want to hear an honest...

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 You know, I want to hear some

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 honesty.

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 Direct statement of how we are

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 intended to interpret this

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 podcast.

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 And then I'm going to make my

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 decision as to whether or not

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 this is something

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 I want to continue to

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 participate in.

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 You mean podcasting altogether?

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 No!

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 No.

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 I'm not talking about podcast

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ing.

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 No!

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 I didn't know.

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 It's so funny because these

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 issues, very issues, are going

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 to be discussed at a conference

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 of Harvard on January 21st.

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 And I'm preparing for this.

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 I'm writing about it on the

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 scripting news right now.

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 It's like, okay, how do you

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 establish credibility as a blog

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ger?

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 Okay.

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 And, you know, it's like, there

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 are some basics.

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 You need to tell me who you are

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 and what...

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 Tell me the facts about

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 yourself that are relevant to

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 what you write about.

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 Okay?

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 Okay.

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 And so that way, I can get a

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 chance to, you know...

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 The idea is this is supposed to

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 smoke out your conflicts of

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 interest.

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 And you're not supposed to,

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 like, work too hard to figure

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 out which things are relevant.

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 Just tell me who you are.

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 And I'm going to talk about

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 ways over time to do more of

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 that so that people who become

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 regular readers of your site

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 get a better and better idea of

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 how they're meant to interpret,

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 how they should interpret what

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 you've written.

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 The other thing is never

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 deliberately, never knowingly

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 say something that isn't true.

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 Well, Matt wrote both of those

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 rules today.

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 You know, the things about her

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 therapist and, you know, this

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 pretends that this was somehow

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 some real therapy session.

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 Yeah, both.

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 Of course, we knew that it wasn

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't so that there wasn't a whole

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 lot of damage, right?

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 But certainly, I need now to

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 know which parts of what she's

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 doing are real, right?

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 Yeah, because it's the ranting

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 and raiding about the problems

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 in America, which I think

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 is from the real nudge.

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 It has value if it's real.

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 Yeah.

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 Let's put it that way.

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 Yeah.

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 And I don't mind the voice and

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 the persona.

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 That doesn't bother me.

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 I like the voice.

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 Yeah.

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 And I like the language and I

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 love all that.

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 I want to go back to the

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 fantasy.

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 I want my image to, I want my

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 suspension of disbelief.

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 I don't like where I was taken

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 tonight.

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 And so I analyzed this and the

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 way I see this is that there's

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 this actor or performance

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 artist.

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 His name is Richard Bluesting.

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 Was that it?

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 Bluesting, yeah.

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 He's been doing probably stuff

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 like the podcast today and not

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 being very successful with it,

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 or not mainstream, or not

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 explosively, hasn't really

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 tapped into a vein.

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 He's like the Lucidius Bitties,

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 I think.

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 He's an act.

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 The Lucidius Bitties, though,

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 we never had any doubt.

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 They don't walk down the street

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 singing other songs.

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 You know, right?

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 I do.

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 But you know what I'm saying?

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 There's no doubt we know that

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 somebody who is, besides those

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 songs are not podcasts.

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 Let me continue on my thought.

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 So all of a sudden, and I don't

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 know if this is what Richard Bl

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uesting or Madge Weinstein

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 whoever has been doing, but

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 when I heard the first Madge

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 Weinstein yeast radio, it was

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 not this.

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 It was something else.

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 It was fresh.

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 It sounded to me like someone

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 who was generally concerned,

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 and the whole package really

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 appealed to me.

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 And this is what it felt like

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 to me.

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 It felt to me like, okay, I'm a

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 hit now, because yeah, Madge

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 Weinstein was a hit in my book.

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 Like, boom, rocket.

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 You know, I love this.

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 This is fucking great.

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 We're talking about it.

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 They mentioned her on the Gil

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more Gang.

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 On the Gilmore Gang.

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 I mean, you've made it, man.

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 If you're mentioned on the Gil

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more Gang, you're fucking in.

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 What else is there?

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 The merchandise and rides, baby

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.

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 Sure.

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 You can get on the tonight show

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.

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 That's like, you know, the Gil

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more Gangs.

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 You know, total request live is

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 next, honey.

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 But here's the...

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 So it felt to me like, all

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 right, now I've done all this,

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 and now I'm going to go back

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 and use this newfound celebrity

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 to do my art, which...

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 Or to boost my career or

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 whatever.

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 Or to boost my career or

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 whatever.

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 Yeah, you get this thing going

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 and I've been trying to get

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 started.

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 Which is just not going to work

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, because it wasn't that funny.

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 It wasn't funny at all.

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 No.

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 The first few lines were funny.

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 The first few lines were funny.

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 So I tell you, that probably

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 wasn't scripted.

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 It was hilarious.

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 The beginning probably wasn't

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 scripted.

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah.

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 No.

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 It's probably Adlin.

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 No.

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 I don't...

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 Who cares?

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 The fact is that we were

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 laughing.

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 Yeah, right.

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 The old match, before we knew

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 that we were about to be taken

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 to a dishonest place.

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 Yeah.

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 And now if I listen to it again

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, I would be laughing at it

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 after I know how the story ends

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.

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 How this particular story ends.

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 So this would be really

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 interesting.

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 It would be for Madge to do

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 what we're doing right now.

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 Because like Adam, I asked Adam

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, "Okay, now what do you want to

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 do?"

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 I mean, you have really talked

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 a lot about...

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 Talked about Madge, you've

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 talked to other folks.

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 And so, you know, and then Adam

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 said, "Yeah, I got a problem."

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 And then he waited a pause a

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 second and said, "Now what do

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 you want to do?"

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 And, "Yeah, I have the same

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 thing."

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 Because, you know, I've talked

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 about this character and I've

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 wrote in the show notes for

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 trade secrets,

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 last trade secrets, you know,

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 it's a Madge, Madge, Madge, Mad

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ge world.

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 I mean, I love getting swept up

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 in a cultural sort of

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 interesting...

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 You know, I'm willing to help

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 somebody become a star if I can

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, you know, to the extent that I

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 can do that as long.

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 But I'm not willing to do it if

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 I don't know what it is that I

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'm helping.

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 If it's just helping somebody

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 become a guest on...

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 On The Tonight Show.

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 Or Saturday Night Live or

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 whatever.

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 You know, at that point I just

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 start going, "Yeah, that's not

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 really what I'm doing."

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 So here's the real violation.

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 I thought I was actually

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 talking to the real person on

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 the telephone.

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 No kidding, right?

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 And you were... they were

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 talking to you and you were a

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 real person, right?

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 I wasn't being mean.

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 You were who you were.

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 You were like sort of, you know

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, you were all giggly and

00:16:04.410 --> 00:16:06.020
 everything, but that was how

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 you felt at that time.

00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.000
 Yeah, right.

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 Well, I was also stoned.

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 It was, you know...

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 Of course.

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 Yeah, I'm honest.

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 I was hammered.

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 I thought I got to hammer up

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 for the Madge.

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 All right.

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 Bo-Goo.

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 Have we...

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 Bo-Goo.

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 Maybe you should explain to the

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 folks at home what that means.

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 Well, is there anything else we

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 need to talk about?

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 Maybe we can like...

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 Just make this short.

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 Make it short.

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 Make it short.

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 Short.

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 So I don't want to discourage

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 anything or anyone, but that

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 just totally did not fucking

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 work for me.

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 Okay.

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 And it blew... it blew... it t

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ainted for me.

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 Hey, wait a minute.

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 Let's just leave it there.

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 The balls in your court, Madge.

00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.000
 Yeah.

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 We'd love to hear from you.

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 We'd love to be outrageous.

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 We'd love you to talk more

00:16:47.290 --> 00:16:48.000
 politics.

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 Yeah.

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 And the East is great, but fuck

00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.720
 this shit about your fake

00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.800
 pseudo-therapist because we don

00:16:54.800 --> 00:16:56.000
't believe that for a second.

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 That wasn't your therapist.

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 Right.

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 So fuck you.

00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.000
 Just like leave it there.

00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:01.000
 Okay.

00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:02.000
 Yeah.

00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.000
 Okay.

00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.000
 Okay, everybody.

00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:04.510
 Just to make it to you because

00:17:04.510 --> 00:17:05.000
 we're partners in this day.

00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:06.000
 Yeah.

00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.000
 Fuck you, Madge.

00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:08.000
 Okay.

00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.000
 Yeah, we've set our peace.

00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:10.000
 Okay, there you go.

00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.000
 See you later.